Nov 04, 2025 City Council

>> NEXT, WE HAVE PAUL JESSEN, AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE'LL BE CHARLIE WELCH.

>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, MR. MAYOR, EVERYBODY.

YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD THE EXPRESSION.

YOU ONLY NEED TO TELL A MAN ONCE.

BUT YOU HAVE TO REMIND HIM MANY TIMES.

I HAVE FORGOTTEN THE LAST FEW TIMES.

THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER THIS EVENING.

MY NAME IS PAUL JESSEN AT 587 LEGACY DRIVE.

HOW DO [INAUDIBLE] GOOD.

RIGHT ON. I READ THIS THING THERE'S A THING ON THE LINE CALLED LOCAL PROFILE AND TALKING ABOUT $160 MILLION BUNDY FEET, THE SPRISCO IS EXPLORING A NEW PATH WITH THE FORMING ART CENTER.

EXCUSE ME. THAT WAS A SURPRISE TO ME.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS GOING ON.

BUT ONE THING THAT CAUGHT MY EYE WAS IN THE WORDING OF THAT PROFILE, THEY SAID THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WANTED TO DO WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE TAKING CARE OF CULTURAL THINGS IN THE CITY.

THERE'S A $13 MILLION.

ACCORDING TO THEM, THERE'S $13 MILLION LEFT OVER FROM CERTAIN BOND THINGS, AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH.

THE RAIL DISTRICT IS THE ONE THAT'S HAD TO TAKE IT IN THE CHIN MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE.

I HEARD 3 MILLION TONIGHT.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOUR OR 5 MILLION BEFORE THAT.

POSSIBLY EVEN SEVEN OR 8 MILLION REALLY NEEDS TO BE COMING UP.

I HAD THREE KIDS.

A LOT OF YOU HAD KIDS, AND SOMETIMES YOU'RE WATCHING THE SPILL THE MILK ON THE FLOOR OR WHATEVER, AND EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO DID IT.

THE ONE WHO DID IT DOESN'T WANT TO REALLY CLEAN IT UP, AND THE OTHER GUY SAID, WELL, IT WAS YOUR MESS.

THAT WAS OUR RULE. YOU SPELL IT, YOU FIX IT.

I WOULD HATE TO SIT ON CITY COUNCIL. I'M NOT RUNNING.

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S OPENINGS.

BUT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH SO MUCH.

YOU GOT TO PUT UP WITH PEOPLE LIKE ME AND OTHER PEOPLE AND STUFF LIKE THIS.

BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE BRILLIANTS OF AMERICA.

WE ALL GET TO HAVE OUR OPINION, AND WE GET TO BE HEARD, SO WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU DO THAT FOR US THAT WE CAN COME TO THE MIC.

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I GUESS WHAT I'M REFERRING TO IS, AND THIS IS NOT TO BE PICKING ON YOU GUYS.

SOME OF THE STUFF THAT GOES ON, THAT WAS A MISTAKE. WE MESSED UP.

I THINK MAYBE FOR JUSTICE AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS TO REALIZE NOT TRYING TO CALL ANYBODY OUT TO BE NEGATIVE, BUT SINCE THE CITY WAS THE ONE THAT SAID, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS WITHOUT THINKING IT THROUGH TO THE END IN TERMS OF THE CONSEQUENCES, AND PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THERE ARE ALREADY BUSINESSES WHO HAVE HAD TO CLOSE BECAUSE OF THIS.

THERE'S BEEN OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE CLOSE TO IT.

OTHERS HAVE GONE INTO DEBT JUST TO TRY TO HANG IN THERE.

I THINK A MORAL IMPERATIVE FOR JUSTICE FOR THE BUSINESSES IN THE RAIL DISTRICT IS TO PONY UP THE MILLIONS THAT ARE NEEDED TO BACK THESE PEOPLE UP.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT.

STILL, MISS DOUBLE DIP.

I DON'T WANT TO LOSE ANYMORE.

I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU THAT $13 MILLION.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM.

BUT SINCE THERE IS MONEY AND THERE'S DIFFERENT POTS, MY THOUSAND DIDN'T GO VERY FAR.

APPRECIATE THE 300 THAT YOU ON COUNCIL GAVE.

THAT'S HELPING. BUT WHAT WE'RE REALLY NEEDING IS THE MILLIONS.

I'M COUNTING ON WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE ALREADY, WHAT I HAVE DONE IS SEED MONEY, AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE REST COME IN SO THAT THE JUSTICE IS DONE FOR THE BUSINESSES.

THE MORAL IMPERATIVE IS THERE, AND WE CAN SET AN EXAMPLE IT'S ALMOST NEVER DONE BY ANY CITY IN AMERICA.

THEY REALIZE, WHAT, WE MISSED OUT. THAT'S ON US.

WE'RE GONNA FIX IT. FOR YOU TO DO THAT, AND PEOPLE REALIZE, WOW, FRISCO TAKES CARE OF IT PEOPLE, AND IT ADMITS WHERE IT MADE THE MISTAKE, AND IT WILL COVER IT AND TAKE CARE OF IT.

AND THAT'S WHAT I IMPLORE YOU TO DO.

IS DOUBLE TIP COMING BACK? ANYBODY KNOW? I JUST KIDDING.

I STILL MISS THE PLACE.

HEY THERE ARE SOME GREAT BUSINESSES DOWN THERE AND SOME GREAT PEOPLE.

THAT IS A LEGACY THAT THIS CITY HAS THAT VERY FEW CITIES HAVE.

WE CAN GET THAT THING FIXED, AND OLD THE RAIL DISTRICT AND WHAT THAT IS IS GOING TO BE PEOPLE GOING TO LOOK HERE AND THEY GO, WOW, LOOK WHAT FRISCO DID.

THEY ARE LOOKING FOR, AND I THINK ALL OF US ARE FOR JUSTICE TO BE DONE, THE MORAL IMPERATIVES, LET'S KICK IN WHAT'S NEEDED.

I DON'T KNOW, $67 MILLION.

89. I DON'T KNOW.

BUT LET'S FIGURE IT OUT, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER.

LET'S FIGURE IT OUT AND SOMEBODY SAID THREE, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN THREE FOR THEM.

FOR FRISCO, AND FOR OUR OWN REPUTATION AS A CITY WHO TAKES CARE OF ITS OWN.

>> BOSTON.

>> HE'S LEAVING HIS [INAUDIBLE]

>> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT, WE HAVE CHARLIE WELCH.

THEN AFTER THAT, WE'LL HAVE MITILESH.

THERE WASN'T A SECOND NAME ON HERE.

>> HEY, Y'ALL. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR CHENEY, COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, CITY SECRETARY.

I THINK I'M MISSED ONE, DEPUTY CITY SECRETARY.

THANKS TO ALL FOR HAVING ME. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR WORKING TIRELESSLY FOR OUR CITY 247.

I KNOW THIS IS A ROLE THAT RECEIVES MUCH SCRUTINY, AND THERE IS AN ABSENCE OF THANKS.

MY NAME IS CHARLIE WELCH, AND I'M THE FOUNDER AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF MELODY OF HOPE.

WE HAVE BEEN SERVING AND WORKING IN FRISCO FOR ALMOST 12 YEARS NOW.

OUR MISSION IS TO AMPLIFY ARTISTS THROUGH DEVELOPMENTAL AND PAID PERFORMANCE OPPORTUNITIES, ENRICHING AND SERVING OUR COMMUNITIES THROUGH LIVE MUSIC.

I'M HERE TODAY NOT JUST TO EXPRESS GRATITUDE, BUT TO REPORT ON THE SIGNIFICANT RETURN OF YOUR INVESTMENT IN THE FRISCO ARTS COMMUNITY.

THANKS TO THE SUPPORT FROM THE CITY OF FRISCO AND THIS COUNCIL, THE FRISCO ARTS FOUNDATION AWARDED US A GRANT OF $25,000 LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR AGAIN FOR OUR INNOVATIVE ARTS PROGRAMMING.

FUNDING WASN'T JUST SUPPORT.

IT WAS A CATALYST FOR ACTION.

I AM PROUD TO SHARE THAT WITH THOSE FUNDS, WE PROVIDED LIVE MUSIC FOR OVER 170 NON PROFIT AND CORPORATE EVENTS IN THE CITY OF FRISCO, IMPACTED OVER 100,000 PEOPLE WITH THE ARTS, AND SAVED OUR PARTNER NON PROFITS OVER $60,000 BY PROVIDING OUR SERVICES AT NO COST TO THEM.

ADDING TO THIS IN THE RECENT YEARS, I HAVE RECEIVED MANY PHONE CALLS FROM NUMEROUS COMPANIES RELOCATING TO FRISCO, EAGER TO INCORPORATE A LIVE MUSIC COMPONENT INTO THEIR FABRIC.

THEREFORE, WE HAVE ALSO STARTED IN VALUABLE PARTNERSHIPS WITH CORPORATIONS LIKE THE OMNI PGA, THE STAR DISTRICT, AND BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE TO NAME A FEW.

THE CORPORATE WORLD IS ALSO HUNGRY FOR THE ARTS.

ARE PROUD TO SHARE THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE THEY PROVE OUR PHILOSOPHY.

WE DON'T BELIEVE IN COMPLAINING ABOUT AN ISSUE.

WE BELIEVE IN CONTRIBUTING TO THE SOLUTION.

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WE HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY IN THE WEEDS TRANSFORMING FRISCO INTO A CITY WHERE THE ARTS DON'T JUST SURVIVE BUT THRIVE.

OUR VISION IS SIMPLE TO ENSURE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER FRISCO NOT ONLY KNOW FRISCO AS SPORT CITY USA, BUT AS ALSO ART CITY USA.

THIS DUAL IDENTITY MAKES OUR CITY A RICHER, MORE ATTRACTIVE DESTINATION FOR RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, AND TOURISTS.

THE ARTS ARE NOT A LUXURY.

THEY ARE A POWERFUL ECONOMIC DRIVER.

AS ESTABLISHED BY GROUPS LIKE THE AMERICANS FOR THE ARTS, THE NONPROFIT AND ARTS CULTURE SECTOR GENERATES BILLIONS IN ECONOMIC ACTIVITY.

MELODY HOPE IS PROUD TO BE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT POSITIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT, RIGHT HERE, FOSTERING MORE ENGAGED RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN CITIZENS, BUSINESSES, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

WE ARE DEEPLY THANKFUL FOR THE COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIPS THAT HAVE BROUGHT US TO THIS POINT, AND WE ARE EXCITED TO CONTINUE BUILDING ON THE SUCCESS AND CREATING A MORE VIBRANT, CREATIVE, AND EMPATHETIC COMMUNITY FOR ALL OF FRISCO.

ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL FOR YOUR PAST AND PRESENT ART SUPPORT, AND FOR VOTING FOR THE INCREASE IN FUNDING OVER THE YEARS.

I CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR ALL AS YOU LEAD OUR GREAT CITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. MITILESH. THEN AFTER THAT WILL BE ANNE ANDERSON.

>> HELLO, EVERYONE. GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK HERE.

WE MOVED HERE FROM MICHIGAN ONE YEAR AGO.

ONE THING WE NOTICED IN COMMON IS PEOPLE NOT FULLY STOPPING AT STOP SIGNS AND UNSAFE DRIVING BEHAVIOR ON ROADS INCREASING THE RISK OF ACCIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY IN NEIGHBORHOODS WITH KIDS.

MY NAME IS MITILESH FROM IDS MOBILITY, AND WE HAVE DEVELOPED A NEXT GEN AI POWERED CAMERA WITH THE ABILITY TO DETECT VIOLATIONS AND DISTRACTED DRIVING AT STOP SIGNS.

WE WANTED TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM AND MAKE OUR COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS MORE SAFER.

AND THIS IS THE REASON FOR US TO COME TONIGHT AND TALK TO THIS FINE COUNCIL.

WE WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU AND DO A FREE PILOT PROJECT AT ONE STOP SIGN TO SHOW YOU THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PROBLEM WE'RE ADDRESSING TODAY.

WITH THIS PILOT PROGRAM, OUR CAMERAS WILL NOT ONLY DETECT VIOLATIONS AT STOP SIGNS, BUT WILL ADDITIONALLY HELP LAW ENFORCEMENT PREPARE BETTER ON WHEN TO SEND OUT PATROL VEHICLES AND FIGURE OUT REPEAT OFFENDERS TO PREVENT ACCIDENTS FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE.

WE WILL SEND EACH OF YOU AN E MAIL TOMORROW ABOUT OUR VISION, AND WE HOPE YOU CAN HELP US PREVENT UNNECESSARY ACCIDENTS AND SAVE LIVES. THANK YOU.

>> ANNE ANDERSON. THEN FINALLY AFTER THAT, WE WILL HAVE MR. LEE.

>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS ANNE ANDERSON.

I LIVE AT 6613 WHITE OAKS LANE HERE IN FRISCO, TEXAS.

I AM THE WIFE OF AN ARMY VETERAN, THE DAUGHTER OF AN AIR FORCE VETERAN.

OUR FAMILY'S SERVICE GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR.

I'M VERY PROUD OF OUR FAMILY'S SERVICE TO THE MILITARY AND TO OUR COUNTRY.

WITH THAT SAID.

I WANT TO JUST HIGHLIGHT WHAT ROB MENTIONED THAT THE AMERICAN LEGION IS HAVING THEIR VETERANS DAY CELEBRATION ON SATURDAY NOVEMBER 9TH AT 11:00 A.M. AT FRISCO COMMONS.

THE SPEAKERS ARE GOING TO BE DARRY LUTT WHO IS A RETIRED GREEN BERET IN US ARMY SPECIAL FORCES.

RAYMOND KEMP, WHO SERVED 33 YEARS AS A FLEET MASTER CHIEF US NAVAL FORCES, AFRICA'S A GREAT EVENT.

I'VE GONE TO MANY YEARS, AND THERE'S VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP.

I THINK THAT MORE PEOPLE SHOULD COME AND ENJOY THIS EVENT AND HONOR OUR VETERANS.

THERE'S THREE OPPORTUNITIES TO CELEBRATE OUR COUNTRY EVERY YEAR, MEMORIAL DAY, VETERANS DAY, AND, OF COURSE, JULY 4TH.

PLEASE COME OUT. DON'T FORGET THE VETERANS ON SATURDAY AT 11:00.

THANKS [APPLAUSE]

>> THANK YOU. FINALLY, WE HAVE MR. LEE.

WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW OTHER BLUE CARDS, BUT THEREFORE AN AGENDA ITEM LATER, SO YOU'LL BE CALLED UP WHEN THAT AGENDA ITEM IS CALLED.

>> SIR.

>> GOOD EVENING, EVERY ATTENDANCE HERE.

MY GOD BLESS BE UPON YOU.

TODAY IS MY SUBJECT IS GOD AND HIS PEOPLE ISRAEL.

GENESIS 12: 1.

NOW THE LORD HAD SAID ONTO ABRAHAM.

>> GET THEE OUT OF YOUR COUNTRY AND FROM THE KINDRED AND FROM THE FATHER'S HOUSE UNTO THE LAND THAT

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I WILL SHOW THEE.

VERSE 3, SAID SHALL ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH BE BLESSED.

GENESIS 22 VERSE 18.

IN THE SEED ALL THE NATIONS OF THE EARTH WILL BE BLESSED.

GALATIANS CHAPTER 3:7.

KNOWING THEREFORE THAT THEY'RE THE CHILDREN OF FAITH, THE SAME ARE THE CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM.

GALATIANS CHAPTER 3:16.

NOW ABRAHAM AND HIS SEED WERE THE PROMISED.

HE SAID NOT TO SEED AS OF MANY, BUT AS OF ONE, AND TO THY SEED, WHICH IS CHRIST.

VERSE 26, GALATIANS CHAPTER 3:26.

FOR WE ARE ALL THE CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST.

THERE IS NEITHER JEWS NOR GREEK, THERE IS NEITHER BOND OR FREE.

THERE IS NEITHER MALE NOR A FEMALE. TWENTY NINE.

AND IF YE BE CHRIST, THEN YE ABRAHAM SEED, AND HEIRS OF HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE,.

ROMAN CHAPTER 11:26.

ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED.

THE QUESTION WILL ARISE.

HOW DO WE KNOW JESUS AND WE BELIEVE HIM? I HAVE TWO VOLUME OF STEPS TO CHRIST, ALREADY SOME OF THEM ARE USABLE.

BUT ONLY TWO I HAVE.

ANYONE WHO WANT TO KNOW JESUS AND BELIEVE IN HIM? RAISE HAND THEN I WILL GIVE YOU RIGHT NOW.

>> THANK YOU, MR. LEE.

>> NOBODY?

>> I FEEL BAD, I'LL TAKE.

THANK YOU, MR. LEE.

>> IF YOU WANT MORE THEN GO TO THIS FRONT SIDE AND THE LEFT FIRST PARKING LOT THERE IS A CAR.

ONE BOX, SMALL BOOK.

BUT IT IS A VALUABLE BOOK.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. WE'LL SEE NEXT TIME.

>> READ IT YOU WILL BE VERY BLESSED.

>> THANK YOU. SEE YOU NEXT TIME.

GOOD TO SEE YOU. THAT I'LL MOVE US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

[APPLAUSE].

ITEMS PLACED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE IN NATURE AND ARE CONSIDERED NON CONTROVERSIAL.

THE CONSENT AGENDA CAN BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION.

MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TO REMOVE ANY ITEM FOR DISCUSSION AND SEPARATE ACTION.

COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY VOTE ON ANY SINGLE ITEM WITHOUT COMMENT, MAY SUBMIT WRITTEN COMMENTS AS PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD.

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COUNCIL, WE HAVE ITEMS 12-33 FOR CONSIDERATION.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS 12-33.

>> MOTION BY JOHN.

>> SECOND BY LAURA IN FAVOR.

THEN MOVES TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA,

>> MOTION PASSES 6-0.

[Public Hearing: A request to rezone 4.1± acres on the east side of Frisco Street, 270± feet south of Eldorado Parkway ("Property") from Industrial and Retail to Office-2, to amend the Zoning Ordinance (Ordinance No. 11-04-09, as amended), and to consider to direct Staff to prepare an Ordinance of the same. Zoned Industrial and Retail. Neighborhood #46. Zoning Case No. Z25-0004. Applicant: Kimley-Horn and Associates, Inc. (Development Services/JH)]

ITEM 34 IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

A REQUEST TO REZONE 4.1 ACRES ON THE EAST SIDE OF FRISCO STREET, 270 FEET SOUTH OF ELDORADO PARKWAY FROM INDUSTRIAL AND RETAIL TO OFFICE 2.

TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 11-04-09 AS AMENDED, AND TO CONSIDER TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE OF THE SAME ZONE INDUSTRIAL AND RETAIL, NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 46, ZONING CASE NUMBER Z25-0004.

APPLICANT IS KIMLEY HORN AND ASSOCIATES.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL, JONATHAN HUBBARD, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

SINCE THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO TABLE THIS ITEM TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL TIME TO DISCUSS THE REQUEST WITH PARTNERS THEREFORE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT COUNCIL OPEN AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TABLE THIS ITEM TO THE DECEMBER 2 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

>> COUNCIL I'LL LOOK FOR MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> SO MOVED.

>> MOTION BY JOHN.

>> SECOND BY LAURA. IN FAVOR?

PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

>> PASSES 6-0.

IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

>> BEING NONE, MOVE TO CLOSE.

>> TO TABLE.

>> TO TABLE. YES. SORRY.

>> TO DECEMBER 3, CONTINUED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> SORRY ABOUT THAT. I WAS GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I DON'T YOU WANT THAT LEFT OPEN.

MOVE TO TABLE TO OUR DECEMBER 2 MEETING.

>> MOTION BY JOHN. SECOND BY LAURA. ALL IN FAVOR.

IS CONSIDERED AND ACT ON A REQUEST TO APPEAL A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR TWO RETAIL RESTAURANT BUILDINGS AND ONE RETAIL RESTAURANT MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING ON TWO LOTS ON 3.8 ACRES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF ROLATER ROUTE ROAD, 250 FEET WEST OF INDEPENDENCE PARKWAY, PURSUANT TO ZONING ORDINANCE SUBSECTION 6.19.08.

>> PASSES 6-0. ITEM 35,

[Consider and act upon a request to appeal a preliminary site plan for two retail/restaurant buildings and one retail/restaurant/medical office building on two lots on 3.8± acres on the south side of Rolater Road, 250± feet west of Independence Parkway pursuant to Zoning Ordinance Subsection 6.19.08, Appeal of a Preliminary Site Plan. Zoned Retail. Neighborhood #26. Preliminary Site Plan Case No. PSP25-0035. Applicant: Kirkman Engineering. (Development Services/JH)]

APPEAL OF A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, ZONE RETAIL, NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 26, PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN CASE NUMBER PSP25-0035 APPLICANT KIRKMAN ENGINEERING.

>> THANK YOU. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DISAPPROVED THIS PROJECT BY A VOTE OF 6-0 FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE PARKING REQUIREMENT.

SPECIFICALLY, THAT IS THE STANDALONE RESTAURANT PARKING REQUIREMENT.

ALL STANDALONE RESTAURANTS ARE TO BE PARKED AT 1:100.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO APPLY THE INLINE PARKING RATIO OF 1:200.

THEREFORE, THAT IS THE REASON FOR THEIR REQUEST TO APPEAL THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S DECISION OF DISAPPROVAL.

WHILE THIS IS A MULTI TENANT BUILDING, STAFF IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF APPLYING THE INLINE PARKING RATIO AND HAS MADE THE APPLICANT AWARE OF THAT.

THE REASONING IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO TRANSIT IN THIS AREA.

THIS IS PRIMARILY A SITE THAT IS GOING TO BE ASSESSED BY CARS.

IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT MANY PATRONS TO THIS WILL BE USING UBER, LYFT OR OTHER RIDE SHARE SERVICES.

ADDITIONALLY, STAFF HAS SEEN THAT NOT PROVIDING ADEQUATE PARKING UP FRONT WILL CAUSE PATRONS TO GO ELSEWHERE AND LEAD TO OTHER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

FOR EXAMPLE, CAUSING CERTAIN USERS TO RESERVE SPACES, WHICH FURTHER LEADS TO A PARKING PROBLEM.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF PICTURES HERE OF THE MULTI TENANT BUILDING UP ON ELDORADO, JUST WEST OF FRISCO STREET.

THE INLINE PARKING RATIO WAS APPLIED HERE.

WE'VE GOTTEN A NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS REGARDING THIS MULTI TENANT BUILDING, HOW THERE IS NOT ADEQUATE PARKING.

AGAIN, IF YOU VISITED THERE, THE T MOBILE STORE HAS RESERVED PARKING SPACES.

VERY OFTEN, IT IS DIFFICULT TO FIND A PARKING SPACE HERE.

THERE'S CONFLICTS WITH THE CAR WASH TO THE EAST, AND OFTENTIMES YOU'LL SEE PARKED CARS IN THE BACK AND SOMETIMES EVEN IN THE DIRT AREAS.

STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS APPEAL WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL UPHOLD THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S UNANIMOUS DISAPPROVAL OF THIS CASE, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> COUNCIL, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> MOVE TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.

>> NOT A PUBLIC JOHN.

>> NO. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. SORRY. IT'S A BAD DAY.

>> THAT WAS MY FAULT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? THEY'D LIKE TO SPEAK? I'LL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, SIR, IF YOU LIKE. RIGHT HERE.

>> GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR, AND FRISCO CITY COUNCIL.

I'M A PHYSICIAN. MY NAME IS TRINA DAVA TAM.

I'M A PROUD FRISCO RESIDENT SINCE 2009.

MY GOAL HAS BEEN A LONG TIME TO OPEN UP

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A CLINIC CLOSE TO THAT AREA WHERE I LIVE AT THE CORNER OF INDEPENDENCE AND ROLATER.

FOR THE PAST ONE YEAR, CIVIL ENGINEER FROM KIRKMAN ENGINEERING HAS BEEN DILIGENTLY WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF TO ENSURE FULL COMPLIANCE WITH EVERY FRISCO ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

THE BUILDINGS ARE EACH ONE IS APPROXIMATELY 10,000 SQUARE FEET, ON MY BUILDING I WANT TO USE ABOUT 3-4,000 FOR MY MEDICAL OFFICE.

THIS BUILDING IS ALLOCATED UP TO 30% OF THE TOTAL SPACE FOR THE INLINE RESTAURANT USE.

THIS IS A SMALL COMPLIMENTARY COMPONENT TO BALANCE MEDICAL AND OFFICE SPACE.

OUR PLAN IS 100% COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE BY THE CITY ADAPTED.

THE PARKING RATIO, ORDINANCE SECTION 4.04.08.A44 STATES THAT INLINE RESTAURANTS USE ONE SPACE FOR 200 SQUARE FEET PARKING RATIO, OUR PLAN FOLLOWS THIS EXACTLY.

OF COURSE, THE SIZE RESTRICTION APPLIES AS PER THE CITY ORDINANCE ABOVE THE BUILDINGS OF 100,000 SQUARE FEET ABOVE.

WE VOLUNTARILY CAP THE RESTAURANT USER 30% TO SHOW WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY THOUGH THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT REQUIRE THIS LIMIT.

THE STAFF RAISED TWO CONCERNS, FUTURE TENANT MIXING, WHICH, AT THIS TIME, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY AWARE OF WHO ARE GOING TO BE THE TENANTS.

AT THIS TIME, MY REQUEST IS FULLY WE ARE COMPLIANT WITH THE CITY CODE, AS I DESCRIBED IN THE PAST, TO STOP THIS AT THIS TIME MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE, TO STOP THAT AT THE PSP LEVEL.

MY SINCERE REQUEST IS, DO PLEASE APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN AND AFFIRM THE SECTION 4.04.08.

A44 GOVERNANCE IN THIS CASE.

THANK YOU.

JONATHAN, I HAVE JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN AT A BASIC LEVEL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INLINE PARKING, WHY THAT'S REQUIRED, AND HOW IT'S TYPICALLY CONNECTED TO BIG BOX IN A MORE SIMPLIFIED FUNCTION.

>> SURE. THE ZONING ORDINANCE CURRENTLY HAS TWO PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR RESTAURANT, STANDALONE AND INLINE.

STANDALONE RESTAURANT IS APPLIED TO OBVIOUSLY STANDALONE, SINGLE TENANT RESTAURANTS.

>> A CHILI'S.

>> A CHILI'S, A MCDONALD'S, JUST A SINGLE MULTI TENANT QSR OR SIT DOWN RESTAURANT.

MULTI TENANT BUILDINGS TWO ARE THE STANDALONE 1:100 RESTAURANT.

IT IS THE INLINE WAS INTENDED TO BE APPLIED TO THE INLINE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE PART OF A MULTI TENANT BUILDING WHERE YOU HAVE A BIG BOX USER, AND THEN ALL OF THE ASSOCIATED RETAIL RESTAURANT TO WHERE ULTIMATELY THE BIG BUCK USERS TYPICALLY HAVE AN OVERSUPPLY OF PARKING., SO THAT 1:200 CAPTURES SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR THOSE INLINE USERS.

>> THEN IN AN INLINE SCENARIO, TYPICALLY, THEY'RE BEING LEASED ON COMPLIMENTARY TENANTS THAT HAVE DIFFERENT PEAK PARKING CYCLES?

>> CORRECT. MOST OFTEN IN THOSE CASES, AND ONE OF ALWAYS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS AT THE TIME OF THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, IS THAT THE MASTER DEVELOPER PUT AN OVERALL SHARED PARKING EASEMENT ACROSS THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT THERE IS THAT ALLOWANCE FOR SHARED PARKING ACROSS ALL THOSE LOTS AND THOSE USES.

>> HOW MANY TOTAL PARKING SPOTS WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THIS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE?

>> THE INLINE RATIO, SO THEY HAVE ABOUT 60.

>> THEY WOULD NEED 60 MORE.

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>> NO. THEY WOULD YOU NEED ABOUT 30 MORE.

>> THIRTY MORE?

>> ABOUT 60 TOTAL.

THE PARKING THAT IS PROVIDED ON THE PLAN, RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL PARKING.

>> IS IT DEPENDENT ON THE USE OR NOT DEPENDENT ON THE USE? IS IT SPECIFICALLY TIED TO RESTAURANT?

>> USE IS DETERMINED BY USE.

IN THIS CASE, THEY HAVE A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE OF RESTAURANT.

AS HE SAID ABOUT EACH BUILDING IS ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET, THEY'VE IDENTIFIED ABOUT JUST OVER 3,004 THOUSAND FEET AS INLINE RESTAURANT, AND THAT IS WHAT IS PARKED AT THE INLINE RATIO.

THEY ALSO HAVE RETAIL AND MEDICAL OFFICE.

>> IF THEY HAD ZERO RESTAURANT, THEN THEY WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. IF THEY SWITCHED THE INLINE RESTAURANT TO RETAIL OR MEDICAL OFFICE, BOTH USES THAT HAVE A PARKING RATIO OF 1:200, THAT WOULD COMPLY.

BUT WHAT WE CONTINUE TO SEE IN LOTS OF THESE INSTANCES IS WHEN MASTER DEVELOPERS ARE HAVING THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN AND SITE PLAN ULTIMATELY APPROVED TO MAKE THE PARKING WORK AND TO GET THE ULTIMATE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE SITE, THOSE ARE ULTIMATELY TURNED OVER TO LEASING AGENTS WHO ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE APPROVED PLANS AND ARE OUT THERE LEASING TO RESTAURANTS AND FITNESS CENTERS AND HIGH PARKING GENERATORS.

>> YOU SHOWED US AN EXAMPLE OF ONE THAT WE HAD APPROVED.

>> CORRECT.

>> HOW MANY OF THOSE DO WE HAVE IN THE CITY THAT WE'VE APPROVED? THE BIG NUMBER OR A SMALL NUMBER OR?

>> THERE'S PROBABLY SEVEN OR EIGHT THAT I WORK WITH FREQUENTLY WHERE LEASING AGENTS ARE CALLING ME TO SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO LEASE TO A RESTAURANT.

WHAT CAN WE DO? ONE THING TO ADD TO THAT POINT AND IT'S NOTED IN THE MEMO AS THE APPLICANT STATED, WE DO NOT KNOW USERS AT THIS TIME.

THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES HAVE A PROVISION WHERE THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE ALTERNATIVE RATIOS.

IT IS VERY COMMON FOR STAFF TO WORK WITH DEVELOPERS AND LEASING AGENTS FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, WHEN WE KNOW AT THE TIME THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A MEDICAL OFFICE USER, A RESTAURANT AND WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE PEAK TIMES ARE, WHAT THAT MIXTURE OF USES IS AND WORK WITH THEM TO APPROVE THE ALTERNATIVE RATIOS WHEN WE KNOW WHAT THE USERS ARE AND WHAT THE MIX OF USERS ARE.

BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE JUST HAVE GENERAL USES WITH A SQUARE FOOTAGE.

>> WE'VE LEARNED FROM OUR MISTAKES.

WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE THOSE.

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> GOING FORWARD, MAKING SURE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FROM A METHODOLOGY PERSPECTIVE WHY RESTAURANTS ARE INDIVIDUALLY CALLED OUT, AND I'LL JUST GIVE AN EXAMPLE.

PERSONALLY, IT HITS YOU WANT TO PROTECT TENANTS THERE.

I OWN A FITNESS STUDIO.

MY LANDLORD WHICH HAS MORNING PEAK TIMES.

MY LANDLORD AT LEAST ANOTHER FITNESS STUDIO RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ME.

I HAD NO PROTECTION AGAINST THAT. THE PARKING LOT'S FULL.

I WOULD HAVE LOVED THERE TO BE SOMETHING THAT PREVENTED, YOU'RE TRYING TO BLEND THE PEAK TIMES, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE OUR ORDINANCE IS ONLY CALLING OUT RESTAURANTS AND NOT FITNESS STUDIOS.

>> IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YES, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT RESTAURANTS.

IT IS FAIR TO SAY WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

I WILL SAY PARKING RATIOS IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS ACTIVELY LOOKING AT.

IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ALREADY HAS DONE A CALL TO PUBLIC HEARING TO OPEN UP THE PARKING SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING AT.

>> NOW, THIS IS GREAT. I'M LEARNING RIGHT NOW. [OVERLAPPING] ON THE FLY.

THIS IS REALLY, I THINK, A GREAT DISCUSSION FOR OUR P&Z TO BE HAVING.

I JUST WE'VE GOT AN APPLICANT BEFORE US, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK, ARE THERE OPTIONS, ARE YOU GOING TO COME OUT OF THAT PLANNING AND ZONING WORK SESSION WHERE SOMEONE LIKE THIS WOULD HAVE AN OPTION TO SAY, HEY,

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BLEND YOUR USES AND IF YOU COMMIT TO THESE USES, THEN WE CAN MAKE IT WORK OR IS IT GOING TO BE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THIS HARD AND FAST RULE? WE JUST NEED TO DENY IT, MOVE ON THING.

>> WELL, LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY.

WHEN I STARTED HERE, PLAINTIFF HAD THE STANDARD ABOUT 10%.

IT WAS IN LINE, SO THOUGHT ADOPTED HERE.

IT MADE SENSE DOWN THERE.

THEN WE DECIDED TO OPEN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE AND WE FOUND THAT WAS A DISASTER.

JONATHAN WENT OVER THOSE EXAMPLES WHERE THAT JUST DOESN'T WORK AT THE END OF THE DAY.

WHAT MAKES IT WORSE IS WHEN PEOPLE START PUTTING UP RESERVED PARKING ON THE SITE, WHICH AGAIN MAKES THE SITUATION WORSE.

BRING ANOTHER EXAMPLE.

I WAS AT GARDEN OFFICES THAT WERE DEVELOPING ON THE EAST SIDE OF PARKWOOD, JUST NORTH OF WARREN.

THEY WERE DEVELOPING THAT AS PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, WHICH GENERALLY WAS ABOUT A 1:300 PARKING.

IT WAS DEVELOPING AS MEDICAL OFFICE.

COUNCIL GOT A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT AND WE WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THAT PROJECT, ANY OTHER BUILDINGS.

WE'RE GOING TO PARK AT A MEDICAL OFFICE AND IT'S BASICALLY DEVELOPED AS A MEDICAL COMPLEX DOWN THERE.

MAYOR, WHAT YOU DESCRIBE AS FAR AS ALL THE DIFFERENT USES CHANGE OVER TIME.

I'VE LOOKED AT PARKING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND YOU START TO GO A LITTLE CRAZY ON IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT USES ARE COMING IN.

IN AN IDEAL SITUATION, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A COFFEE SHOP, THEY'D BE BUSY IN THE MORNING.

YOU GOT A GROCERY STORE THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE OR LESS BUSY AT NOONTIME, IN THE EVENING, ON THE WEEKENDS, BUT EVERYTHING CHANGES AND IT REALLY MAKES IT WORSE WHEN YOU'VE GOT A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF FOOD AND BEVERAGES.

WHAT I'VE TALKED TO PROFESSIONALS AND LOOKING AT PARKING, GENERALLY, ONCE YOU START EXCEEDING ABOUT 10% OF THE LEASE SPACE FOR ENTERTAINMENT, ENTERTAINMENT IS HEALTH CLUBS, FOOD AND BEVERAGES, THEY GOBBLE UP THE PARKING.

BECAUSE THEY GENERALLY HAVE MORE EMPLOYEES IN THEM AND THEY JUST HAVE MORE PEOPLE COMING AT PEAK TIMES AND STARTS EATING UP THE PARKING.

THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE CHALLENGES OF LOOKING AT PARKING RATIOS.

ON THIS, WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT A SITUATION THAT HAS OCCURRED.

AS JONATHAN MENTIONED, HE AND OTHER STAFF TRIED TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION, BUT THERE'S NO SOLUTION WHEN THIS HAPPENS.

WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.

>> COUNCIL, WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE T-MOBILE AND STARBUCKS PLACE YOU BROUGHT UP BECAUSE I GOT TRAPPED IN THAT STARBUCKS LINE ONE TIME AND IN THE BACK AND COULDN'T GET OUT AND IT'S NOT EASY.

BUT TO THE MILLER'S POINT, I GUESS I'M CONFUSED IS, IF THE LANDLORD SAID, OKAY, I'M NOT DOING RESTAURANTS, WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT. CAN WE ENFORCE IT?

>> ONCE THE SOT PLAN IS APPROVED, ALL OF THOSE USERS ARE REQUIRED TO COME FORWARD FOR THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES.

PLANNING STAFF REVIEWED THOSE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE USE IS PERMITTED AND THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE PARKING.

IN A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A TENANT LEASE PLAN SHOWING ALL OTHER USERS IN THE BUILDING SO THAT WE CAN CALCULATE THE PARKING.

IF THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE PARKING, THAT'S WHEN THOSE CEOS GET DENIED.

WHEN THE MAYOR ASKED THE QUESTION EARLIER, HOW MANY OF THESE DO WE HAVE? THERE ARE SEVEN OR EIGHT THAT I MENTIONED THAT I DO WORK WITH FREQUENTLY BECAUSE IT IS VERY FREQUENT THAT THOSE CEOS ARE COMING IN.

WE'RE RUNNING THE PARKING COUNTS AND THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE PARKING AND THOSE CEOS ARE GETTING DENIED.

>> MY QUESTION IS ON THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY.

COULD THEY REVISE THE SITE PLAN AND SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT RESTAURANTS THERE AND THEN [OVERLAPPING].

>> WE'RE FINE AND WE CAN DO THAT?

>> THEY COULD DO THAT.

>> HAVE THEY BEEN OFFERED THAT OPTION?

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT OPTION.

EXACTLY. NO. THAT WOULD NOT BE FAIR FOR ME TO SAY.

>> BECAUSE I AGREE, I DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANOTHER STARBUCKS, T-MOBILE CAR WASH, TACO BELL SITUATION.

I'M TRYING TO GET TRAPPED IN, BUT [OVERLAPPING].

>> IT'S JUST IMPORTANT THAT THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS IF THE SITE PLAN DOES GET REVISED TO SAY RETAIL OR MEDICAL OFFICE, ONE OF THESE OTHER USES THAT DOES HAVE A 1:200, THAT THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THEY GO TO THE NEXT STEP, WHEN THE BUILDING IS BUILT AND THEY'LL START LOOKING AT TENANTS THAT [OVERLAPPING] UNDERSTAND.

THERE WAS NO RESTAURANT.

PARKING APPROVED.

>> SURE. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> JONATHAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF I'M FOLLOWING YOU CORRECTLY, WE HAVE SET A PRECEDENT WHERE WE'VE ALLOWED INLINE RATIOS FOR MULTI-TENANT RESTAURANTS BEFORE.

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SEVEN OR EIGHT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE'VE LEARNED FROM THAT, EVEN THOUGH WE DEVIATED FROM POLICY AND SET A NEW PRECEDENT.

WE'VE LEARNED FROM THAT.

HENCEFORTH GOING FORWARD, AT NO TIME WILL WE EVER ALLOW THAT RATIO TO EXIST AGAIN.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS WHY WE ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING AT OUR ORDINANCES.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS DONE A CALL SO THAT WE CAN ACTIVELY CORRECT THIS GOING FORWARD, BUT YES.

>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, WHEN YOU HAVE POLICY AND YOU DEVIATE FROM THAT EVEN ONE TIME, NOT TO MENTION SEVEN OR EIGHT TIMES.

IT COULD LOOK LIKE WE ARE BEING SELECTIVE IN OUR DECISION-MAKING, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE DONE IT.

WE REALIZE WE'VE DONE IT AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE OF DOING THAT EVER AGAIN.

>> CORRECT.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE APPEAL.

WHY DID THIS NOT PASS THE FIRST TIME AROUND?

>> WHY DID IT NOT PASS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? BECAUSE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HELD UP THE DISAPPROVAL FOR NOT MEETING THE PARK.

>> THEN THE APPEAL AGAIN IS ONCE AGAIN FOR THAT SAME PARKING ISSUE.

>> THE PLANNING AND ZONING THEY DID NOT APPEAL TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ACT ON THE SITE PLAN.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DISAPPROVED IT, MEANING THE APPLICANT COULD RESUBMIT AN UPDATED PLAN, CORRECTING THE ISSUE.

CHANGING IT TO STANDALONE PARKING, CHANGING IT TO RETAIL, CHANGING IT TO MEDICAL OFFICE, ADDRESSING THE CONCERN AND THEN IT WOULD BE PUT BACK ON A P&Z AGENDA AND THE P&Z WOULD APPROVE IT.

THE APPLICANT HAS CHOSEN NOT TO DO THAT.

INSTEAD, THEY HAVE CHOSEN TO APPEAL THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S DECISION OF DISAPPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL, ASKING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL REVERSE MAKE A DIFFERENT DETERMINATION.

>> I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT, IF THAT'S OKAY, WHY DID THE APPLICANT NOT RESUBMIT TO PLANNING AND ZONING?

>> AS FOR THE KIK MAN ENGINEERING FIRM, THEY'RE RECOMMENDING WE ARE FOLLOWING.

IT'S AN IN HOUSE IN-HOUSE RESTAURANT OR RESTAURANT USE, WHICH IS 30% LIMITED.

IT IS NOT 40% FOR YOUR CORRECTION.

IT FOLLOWS ONE IN 200 PARKING LOTS.

STILL WE ARE FOLLOWING THE ZONING.

THAT'S WHAT HE RECOMMENDS.

THAT'S THE REASON I APPEALED.

>> UNDERSTOOD. IS THAT ENGINEERING FIRM HERE SO WE CAN [OVERLAPPING].

>> UNFORTUNATELY, HE COULDN'T. HE WAS HERE.

HE HAS TO GO. IT WAS BECOMING LATE.

IT WAS BECOMING LATE FOR HIM.

THAT'S THE REASON HE LEFT.

>> UNDERSTOOD. IS THAT TRUE IS 40% VERSUS 30%?

>> IT IS 30%, SIR.

>> I THINK THIS IS WHAT JOHN ALLUDED TO EARLIER.

COUNCIL, ON PELHAM'S STATEMENT ABOUT IT IS FAIR TO SAY THAT THERE ARE CASES WHERE THE INLINE PARKING RATIO HAS BEEN APPLIED.

AS JOHN SAID, IT WAS AS APPLIED TO 10.

THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THERE ARE APPROVED PROJECTS WHERE THEY WERE ALLOWED TO PARK 30% OF THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE AS INLINE RATIO.

IT IS NOT IN THE ORDINANCE.

THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT STATE 30%.

IT DOES NOT STATE A PERCENTAGE AT ALL.

>> LOOKING AT THEIR SITE PLAN, I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME THERE'S PERHAPS SOME INEFFICIENCIES IN THIS DESIGN THAT THEIR ENGINEER COULD POTENTIALLY CORRECT TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING NEEDS, AT LEAST JUST ON MY QUICK SCAN ON IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FIRE THAT REQUIRED THESE BIG BALL BELTS AT THE ENTRANCE OR WHATEVER.

OR IF THAT'S US REQUESTING THAT.

>> WELL, COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I DID HAVE A QUESTION ACTUALLY, FOR THE APPLICANT IS CHANGING TO RETAIL A CONSIDERATION? I THINK YOU MENTIONED YOU DO NOT HAVE THE TENANT SLATED FOR THIS SPOT YET.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER? PLEASE.

>> YES, MA'AM. WE DO.

THAT'S THE REASON ONLY 30% OF EACH BUILDING WAS PUT AS A RESTAURANT USE.

IDEALLY, I WOULD LIKE IN MY BUILDING NO RESTAURANT.

BUT JUST IN CASE IF I CAN'T GET A TENANT, IF I WOULD LIKE TO ALTERNATIVE,

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THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO USE, NOT THE FIRST PREFERENCE.

>> BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU MY CONCERN IS THAT IN A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING, THAT'S GOING TO BE BUSY DURING BUSINESS HOURS.

THERE'S VERY RARE THAT MEDICAL OFFICES ARE BUSY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

HOWEVER, IT COULD BE A COFFEE SHOP, IT COULD BE A BRUNCH PLACE, IT COULD BE A RESTAURANT THAT'S OPEN FOR LUNCH AND DINNER, SO YOU WILL HAVE CONFLICTING TIME PERIODS FOR THOSE PARKING SPOTS.

IF RETAIL IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE OPEN TO, THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND MODIFYING THE SITE PLAN AND BEING ABLE TO MOVE THAT FORWARD OR TO MAYOR CHENEY'S POINT, IF YOU'RE OPEN TO REDESIGNING IT TO CREATE SOME MORE EFFICIENCIES TO CREATE ADDITIONAL PARKING.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT.

FOR PROCEDURE, BECAUSE THIS IS A P&Z DENIAL, IS IT A SUPERMAJORITY THAT THEY HAVE TO GET TO MOVE THIS FORWARD? NO, IT'S JUST THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL? THANK YOU. THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, THOUGH.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> ONE MORE THING, SIR, IT SEEMS LIKE AT THE CRUX OF THIS, IT'S 30 PARKING SPACES, IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? REALISTICALLY, IT'S 30 PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE HOLDING UP YOUR DEVELOPMENT IN A SENSE FROM PLANNING AND ZONING APPROVAL.

I'M HEARING THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS MAY HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATED TO YOU.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE CONSIDERED?

>> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'LL SPEAK WITH THE ENGINEERING FIRM.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> I LOVE TO TRY TO PROBLEM SOLVE FROM THE DIAS.

IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE TOO MUCH TO OVERCOME.

MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO DENY AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO WORK WITH THEIR ENGINEER AND GO BACK THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING PROCESS AND YOU'LL HAVE TIME TO CONSIDER ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO YOU, WHETHER YOU STICK TO RETAIL OR LOOK TO FIND THE NEEDED PARKING.

COUNCIL, ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE?

>> JUST LOOK AT THE PLAN.

IT'S THREE BUILDINGS.

ALL THREE ARE POTENTIALLY RETAIL RESTAURANT MEDICAL OFFICE.

TWO OUR RETAIL RESTAURANT.

ONLY ONE IS A RETAIL RESTAURANT MEDICAL OFFICE?

>> CORRECT.

>> IS THIS PARKING TIMES THREE BECAUSE THREE ARE DESIGNATED AS POSSIBLY [OVERLAPPING].

>> THEY HAVE THE INLINE RESTAURANT ACROSS ALL THREE BUILDINGS.

THERE'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF ALL BUILDINGS.

IT'S NOT 30 PARKING SPACES PER BUILDING.

THAT WAS A TOTAL ACROSS.

I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE RESTAURANT ACROSS ALL THREE BUILDINGS.

>> THAT TIES TO MY QUESTION, IF BUILDING 1 WAS JUST MEDICAL OFFICE, WOULD THAT CHANGE THE NUMBER?

>> NO. IT WOULD NOT BECAUSE IT WOULD HELP THEM SOMEWHAT, BUT THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THE SAME ISSUE IN BUILDINGS 2 AND 3.

THE REASONING IS BECAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY SPOT ON ON PARKING.

A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL SEE PLANS AND THEY HAVE SEVEN OR EIGHT PARKING SPACES OVER, SO THERE'S A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM THERE. THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE.

>> BUILDING 2, THERE'S JUST A FEW SPOTS.

>> THEY'D HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THE BUILDINGS, THE WHOLE SITE.

>> OF COURSE.

>> WELL, IT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION TO WORK WITH CITY STAFF AND PLANNING AND ZONING TO RESUBMIT BUT WE'RE HEARING THAT COUNSEL.

I WILL LOOK FOR A MOTION.

>> DO WE LOOK FOR A MOTION TO AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION?

>> DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TABLE THIS AND COME BACK TO MAKE [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT'S FINE. MAKE A MOTION THEN TO.

>> AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION?

>> YES. THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. MOTION BY JOHN.

>> SECOND BY LAUREL IN FAVOR.

ITEM 36 IS CONSIDER AN ACT UPON AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER

>>THE MOTION PASSES 60.

[Consider and act upon authorizing the City Manager to execute a Letter of Intent by and between the City of Frisco and Wiggle Butt Academy, LLC to commence partnership agreement negotiations for the provision of animal facility operator services. Tabled on October 21, 2025. (CMO/KS)]

TO EXECUTE A LETTER OF INTENT BY HIM BETWEEN THE CITY OF FRISCO AND WIGGLE.

BUT ACADEMY, LLC TO COMMENCE PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT, NEGOTIATIONS FOR THE PROVISION OF AN ANIMAL FACILITY, OPERATOR SERVICES.

THIS WAS TABLED ON OCTOBER 21ST, 2025.

WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PUBLIC MEETINGS REGARDING THIS ITEM, INCLUDING ONE LAST NIGHT THAT PEOPLE CAN GO AND LISTEN TO THE DISCUSSION.

I THINK THERE WAS A COUPLE HOURS WORTH OF PUBLIC DISCUSSION LAST NIGHT THAT WE HAD.

IT WAS THE ONLY ITEM ON LAST NIGHT'S AGENDA, SO WE COULD FOCUS ON IT ENTIRELY AND GAVE COUNSEL AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE COMMENTS AND COME BACK TONIGHT.

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>> GOOD EVENING, MARY COUNSEL KEN SCHMIDT, DIRECTOR OF SPECIAL PROJECTS FOR THE CITY.

GIVEN THAT YOU TABLED THIS ITEM AT YOUR LAST MEETING, WOULD YOU CONSIDER A MOTION TO REMOVE THE ITEM FROM THE TABLE?

>> COUNSEL FOR MOTION TO REMOVE IT FROM THE TABLE. SO I MOVED.

[INAUDIBLE]. PASS IS 60, THIS ITEM IS NOW REMOVED FROM THE TABLE.

>> THIS NON BINDING PROPOSED LETTER OF INTENT WOULD SIMPLY PERMIT STAFF AND THE OPERATOR TO CONSIDER CONTINUING THE RIGOROUS DUE DILIGENCE EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN ONGOING AND TO NEGOTIATE, DEVELOP, AND PRESENT PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENTS TO THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION IN A PUBLIC MEETING FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION.

THIS LETTER OF INTENT DOES NOT BIND THE CITY OR THE CDC TO ANY COMMITMENT TO THIS PARTNERSHIP.

IT SIMPLY ALLOWS AND GIVES DIRECTION TO STAFF AND THE PROPOSED OPERATOR TO CONTINUE DUE DILIGENCE EFFORTS AND DEVELOP THOSE AGREEMENTS.

>> I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT REALLY QUICK BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW APPROACH THAT THE CITY HAS TAKEN.

COUNCIL HAS IN THE PAST, AND SOME DEALS, RECEIVED SOME CRITICISM ABOUT HAVING A DEAL COMPLETELY BUTTONED UP AND NEGOTIATED AND WRITTEN BY ATTORNEYS AND EVERYTHING SOLVED FOR.

ONE WAS UNIVERSAL.

THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT THEY WASN'T PUBLIC COMMENT ALONG THE WAY AND PUBLIC DISCUSSION ALONG THE WAY AND HEAR CONCERNS AND FOR PEOPLE TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS.

WE LIKE TO HEAR, AND WE LIKE TO LEARN.

THIS PROCESS IS TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS.

THAT'S WHAT A LOI IS.

THIS IS A ONE PAGE LOI SETTING BRIEF PARAMETERS, AND YOU'RE ABOUT TO TELL US HOW IF THIS IS PASSED TONIGHT, WE WOULD START A VERY RIGOROUS DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD THAT WOULD INVOLVE THE PUBLIC EVERY STEP OF THE WAY AND GET DETAILED EXPERT ANALYSIS ON ANY DETAIL COUNCIL WANTED CONFIRMED.

>> THANK YOU. AS YOU NOTED, THIS IS JUST THE START OF A LONG JOURNEY IF YOU APPROVE THIS LOI.

IF THAT DOES OCCUR, THE PROCESS THAT WOULD COMMENCE FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS WOULD ONCE AGAIN BE THE START OF THAT AND CONTINUATION OF THAT RIGOROUS DUE DILIGENCE AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE AGREEMENTS.

IF YOU ULTIMATELY APPROVED ENTERING INTO A PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT IN EARLY 2026, WE WOULD THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH PROCURING DESIGN SERVICES AND ENGAGING ARCHITECT WITH EXPERTISES IN THE DESIGN OF ANIMAL FACILITIES TO CONDUCT A FULL DESIGN EXERCISE FROM SCHEMATIC DESIGN THROUGH DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE BID BY CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AND ISSUED FOR CONSTRUCTION.

CONSTRUCTION PROCESS WOULD COMMENCE IN THE FALL OF 2026, AND IT WOULD BE ONGOING GENERALLY FOR 14-18 MONTHS, WHICH WOULD BRING YOU TO OCCUPANCY OF THE BUILDING IN EARLY 2028.

THROUGHOUT THAT ENTIRE PROCESS, THE OPERATOR PARTNER WOULD BE WORKING WITH OTHER EXPERTS IN THE REALM OF ANIMAL FACILITY OPERATIONS, AS WELL AS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE EMBEDDED ANIMAL SERVICES DIVISION TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE APPROPRIATE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES TO ENSURE THAT IT IS A SAFE, WELL RUN AND EFFICIENT FACILITY.

AS YOU NOTED, JUST LIKE LAST NIGHT, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS GOING TO CONTINUE THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS AND ONWARD AND THROUGH CONSTRUCTION AND INTO OPERATION IF THIS DOES MOVE FORWARD.

SUMMARY LAST NIGHT, IT WAS A ROBUST TWO HOUR DISCUSSION.

STARTED WITH A LOT OF PRESENTATION FROM CITY STAFF, AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT, AN INTRODUCTION TO OUR OPERATOR PARTNER, NICOLE KOHANSKI, AND WHY SHE WANTS TO PURSUE THIS PARTNERSHIP.

THEN WE RESPONDED OR PROVIDED A SAMPLE OF RESPONSES OF THE 129 QUESTIONS THAT WERE RECEIVED FOR THE PUBLIC LAST NIGHT.

THOSE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ARE NOW POSTED ONLINE AT FRISCO TEXAS.GOV/ANIMAL FACILITY.

YOU CAN ALSO REVIEW THE MEETING VIDEO, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME FAQS ON THAT PAGE AS WELL.

WITH THAT, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT YOU AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THIS LETTER OF INTENT.

IT WILL ALLOW US TO DO EVEN MORE DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS PROJECT AND DEVELOP EXCEPTIONAL AGREEMENTS TO PROVIDE

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FOR A PROJECT THAT ALL FRISCO RESIDENTS CAN BE PROUD OF.

BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

>> AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY THE LOI, SINCE THE PUBLIC ISN'T AS FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY DOING BUSINESS THIS WAY.

IN THE PAST, WE'VE GOTTEN DEALS VERY FAR THAT THE PUBLIC'S NEVER EVEN HEARD OF.

WE'VE GOTTEN DEALS CLOSE TO THE FINISH LINE, THAT COUNCIL BASICALLY SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO AHEAD AND FINISH THAT DEAL OFF.

APPROVING AN LOI IS NOT AN APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT.

YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, YOU CAN GET THROUGH JANUARY.

A COUNSEL MEMBER MAY STILL HAVE QUESTIONS OR YOU DIDN'T SATISFY MY CONCERNS ENOUGH, AND COUNCIL CAN CHOOSE AT THAT TIME TO VOTE NO, CORRECT?

>> I HEARD THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT FEASIBILITY, WHAT THAT MEANS, AND IS A STUDY NEEDED? BUT ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO SAY, THAT I DON'T WANT TO GET LOST HERE IS OUR ANIMAL SERVICES DIVISION DOES AN AMAZING JOB.

THEY ARE AN INCREDIBLE DEPARTMENT.

IF YOU WERE TRYING TO BUILD A UTOPIA PET SOCIETY, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR AN ANIMAL SHELTER.

THAT SHOULD BE THE GOAL OF EVERY CITY IS TO HAVE NO NEED FOR AN ANIMAL SHELTER.

ALL THE PET ADVOCATES, I THINK THEY WOULD PROBABLY AGREE WITH THAT.

HOW DO YOU GET THERE? YOU GET THERE BY HAVING AN INCREDIBLE ANIMAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT THAT'S GOING TO DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN IN THE STREETS TO GET THAT ANIMAL RETURNED TO THE HOME BEFORE IT EVER GETS TO A SHELTER.

YOU SET UP COMPLEX COMMUNICATION CHANNELS THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOAS AND FACEBOOK GROUPS AND NEXT DOOR, AND YOU EDUCATE THE PUBLIC, AND YOU DO ALL THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT, YOU MICROCHIP.

YOU DO ALL THESE THINGS SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE YOUR ANIMALS TO A SHELTER? THE DATA, THE EXPERTISE IS THERE. WE HAVE IT.

WE DELIVER BY FAR, THE FEWEST ANIMALS TO CCAS BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING.

WE HAVE NO INTENTION TO REMOVE THE GREAT WORK THAT THEY'RE ALI READY DOING.

I WAS TELLING COUNCIL A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, LIKE THIS HAS BEEN A CONVERSATION I'VE HAD THE HONOR OF HAVING FOR 18 YEARS NOW.

I FEEL LIKE I'M A PSEUDO EXPERT, AND EVERY SINGLE TIME, IT HAS PROBABLY BEEN FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT TIMES.

SOME OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS MULTIPLE TIMES, AND WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT DATA, AND DATA. NEVER MADE SENSE.

WE ALL LOVE OUR PETS, AND IT'S AN EMOTIONAL TOPIC, AND WE ALL HAVE PASSION SURROUNDING IT.

THAT'S HOW THIS MODEL WAS BORN IS TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT.

THEY 'RE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT ARE BETTER, AND WE CAN DO MORE.

IT'S LIKE WE WANT TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT LOVE THEIR PETS AND ADVOCATED FOR AND THEY'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY'RE RIGHT. WE CAN DO OUR OWN MICROCHIP EVENTS.

WE CAN DO OUR OWN VOLUNTEER PROGRAMS. WE CAN CATER TO THE ISD AND GET PEOPLE MORE ENGAGED AND START DOING ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS.

THE FEASIBILITY STUDY IS THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING EVERY SINGLE DAY.

IS THIS A FACILITY THAT WE NEED? IT IS NOT A FACILITY THAT WE NEED.

WE COULD CONTINUE DOING THE OPERATIONS, AND WE COULD CONTINUE DOING THE THINGS THAT WE DO.

IS IT A FACILITY THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE INCREDIBLE PUBLIC BENEFIT? I'M A BELIEVER NOW. I REALLY AM.

I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES, THIS CAN HAVE REAL, GREAT PUBLIC VALUE AND BENEFIT FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT OUR PET ADVOCATES HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR FOR ALL THE YEARS? THE ONLY THING WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS SAY, WE WANT TO MAKE THIS WORLD CLASS, AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE A PARTNERSHIP WITH CCAS FOR SOME OF THESE ADDITIONAL SERVICES TO HAVE A BROADER REACH OF A PROGRAM.

I DIDN'T WANT TO GET LOST THE FINE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING AS PART OF THIS DISCUSSION.

WE WANT TO BRING THE PUBLIC ALONG WITH THE PROCESS AND TO MAKE IT SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE POTENTIALLY CUTTING A RIBBON.

MAYBE EVEN SOME OF THE [INAUDIBLE] TONIGHT LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS PRETTY GREAT. THIS IS PRETTY AWESOME.

I'M PROUD OF THIS IN MY CITY, OR WE MAY GET TO THE END AND SAY, NO, THIS ISN'T WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE.

IT'S TOO COMPLEX. IT'S GOING TO COST MORE THAN WE THOUGHT.

ALL THAT DUE DILIGENCE IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

WE'RE AT THE DREAMING STAGE RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE TO PASS IN LOI, WE GOT TO GET PAST THAT OF SAYING, THIS IS A VISION THAT IF ALL THE PIECES AND THE ANSWERS ARE AND THE PIECES COME TOGETHER,

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AND YOU CAN ANSWER ALL MY QUESTIONS, WE GET TO THE END.

I COULD POTENTIALLY SUPPORT THAT.

THAT'S THE WORK THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT WE GOT TO GET PAST THIS STAGE NOW TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

IN THE PAST, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE GOT TO THE VERY END.

WE WOULD BRING IT TO THE PUBLIC.

WE'D POST IT ON A FRIDAY, WE'D VOTE FOR IT ON A TUESDAY, AND THE PUBLIC WOULD SAY, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE.

HOW LONG HAVE YOU ALL BEEN WORKING ON THIS? WELL, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR A YEAR. WE'RE TRYING SOMETHING NEW.

I GUESS WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES.

WITH THAT, WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC SPEAKING.

>> WE DO. MAYOR, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND INDULGING ME JUST FOR A SECOND.

I KNOW MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO MAY THEY BE LISTENING ONLINE OR IN CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH PEOPLE HADN'T READ THE LOI.

I DO WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT.

IT IS POSTED ONLINE, SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE IT.

BUT BEFORE WE GET TO CITIZENS INPUT, JUST TO REITERATE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY VOTING ON HERE TONIGHT. THIS IS IT.

THERE IS ONE PARAGRAPH IS WHO THE CITY IS.

ONE PARAGRAPH IS WHO WIGGLE BUD ACADEMY IS.

THE MEAN OF THE AGREEMENT SAYS, THIS LETTER OF INTENT, LOI IS DELIVERED FOR THE PURPOSE OF SETTING FORTH THE INTENTIONS OF THE PARTIES AND TO CONFIRM THE PARTY'S INTEREST IN PROCEEDING WITH GOOD FAITH NEGOTIATIONS TO DEVELOP AN ACCEPTABLE, BINDING OPERATIONS AND PERFORMANCE AGREEMENT AS DEEMED NECESSARY TO CONSUMMATE THE PARTNERSHIP.

THE OBLIGATIONS OF THE PARTIES WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE PREPARATION OF THE CITY ATTORNEYS OF A DEFINITIVE WRITTEN AGREEMENT TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE PARTIES, CONTAINING THE TERMS, CONDITIONS, REPRESENTATIONS, AND COVENANTS WHERE APPROPRIATES TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A LONG TERM OPERATIONS AND PERFORMANCE AGREEMENT OF THE TYPE INVOLVED HEREIN.

THIS LOI IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A BINDING AND FINAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN PARTIES, BUT ONLY AN EXPRESSION OF INTENTIONS TO PROCEED IN GOOD FAITH TO NEGOTIATE A DEFINITIVE WRITTEN AGREEMENT BASED ON THE TERMS THEREIN.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON TONIGHT.

IT IS NOT KENNEL SPACE, IT IS NOT SQUARE FOOTAGE.

S I WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS CLEAR BEFORE WE GET INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.

THAT WAY, EVERYBODY WAS WELL AWARE OF THAT.

THEN WITH THAT, WE DO HAVE NINE CARDS THIS EVENING TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

AGAIN, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

WE WILL START WITH LISA ALLISON, AND THE NEXT WILL BE EMILY ROTENBERG.

>> I DON'T SPEAK. I'M SORRY. JUST OPPOSE.

>> EMILY ROTENBERG. DID I GET IT RIGHT TONIGHT?

>> YOU DID.

>> THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT LAST NIGHT.

>> THAT IS OKAY

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

MY NAME IS EMILY ROTENBERG, AND I'VE LIVED AT 13812, HOT SPRINGS LANE GOING ON 16 YEARS.

FIRST OFF, THIS IS IN NO WAY A CONDEMNATION ON NICOLE, WIGGLE BUTZ OR DR. SCHILLER, AND I APPLAUD THEIR WILLINGNESS TO STEP UP TO HELP ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM.

I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO CONSULT NICOLE TO HELP MANAGE A TRIPLE ALPHA AND RESOURCE GUARDING PROBLEM BETWEEN A CURRENT 18 MONTH OLD COUNTER SURFING REMOTE EATING BLACK LAB FOSTER.

A 6.5-YEAR-OLD, EXTREMELY POWERFUL PIT BULL FOSTER FAIL.

IN THIS YEAR-OLD BACKYARD BREEDER FOSTER FAIL FRENCHY, BECAUSE CREATING AND ROTATING, MENTAL STIMULATION, MUZZLING, PHYSICAL ACTIVITY, MONITORING, AND EXCITEMENT REDUCTION FOR THE PAST THREE MONTHS IS GETTING OLD.

NONE OF THESE ANIMALS WERE PROPERLY SOCIALIZED DURING THE CRITICAL DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES, AND EACH HAS TO BE MANAGED DIFFERENTLY ACCORDING TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL QUIRKS.

BUT THE RESCUES CAN'T AFFORD THIS, AND THESE ARE THE TYPE OF DOGS AND SHELTERS.

BUT THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHY I'M HERE SPEAKING TONIGHT.

THE ISSUE I HAVE IS WITH THE PROPOSED INITIATIVE AND THE WAY IT HAS BEEN HANDLED.

LET'S GIVE THIS INITIATIVE THE SAME LEVEL OF RESPECT AND ATTENTION THAT EVERY OTHER INITIATIVE HAS RECEIVED AND THAT THE CITIZENS AND TAXPAYERS EXPECT FROM OUR GOVERNMENT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE ART CENTER, THE EXPERTS ON FINDING THE ART CENTER AND DOING THAT MORE CITY STAFFERS.

THEY WANT VOLUNTEERS FOR AN ARTS RESCUE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WE NEED TO GIVE THE ANIMAL SHELTER THE SAME RESPECT.

GOVERNMENT ONLY WORKS QUICKLY WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING THEY DON'T REALLY WANT TO DO, AND THEN WE WANT TO PUSH THROUGH A HALF AS SOLUTION TO APPEASE THE PEOPLE ADVOCATING FOR WHATEVER THE TOPIC IS, LIKE THE COMEDIAN RON WHITE SAYS.

THAT'LL SHUT THEM UP FOR A MINUTE.

MOST OF YOU HAVE A CREDIBILITY AND TRANSPARENCY PROBLEM, AND IT WAS REFLECTED IN THE LAST ELECTION, AND IT MIGHT BE IN THE NEXT ELECTION.

FOR YEARS, WE'VE BEEN TOLD, IF WE GET AN ANIMAL SHELTER THROUGH BOND COMMITTEE, WE WILL SEND IT TO THE VOTERS.

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BUT WHEN WE MET THAT METRIC, THE GOAL POSTS WERE MOVED.

MANY OF US TOOK THE TIME TO ATTEND EACH BOND COMMITTEE MEETING, COUNCIL WORK SESSION, AND COUNCIL MEETINGS.

I EVEN ATTENDED AFTER SURGERY ON CRUTCHES BECAUSE IT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME.

WE PACKED THE MEETINGS, PUT BUTTS IN THE CHAIRS, SPOKE WEEK AFTER WEEK, AND FOR WHAT? COUNCIL DECIDED TO VOTE ON TWO INITIATIVES, ONE WITHOUT THE ANIMAL SHELTER, AND ONE WITH THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT VOTE WENT.

MOST OF YOU WERE HERE, WHERE THE SAME FACE IS TELLING US ONE THING AND DOING ANOTHER.

NOW YOU WANT TO RUSH AN UNSTUDIED OPTION THAT NOBODY COMING HERE SINCE 2015 ASKED FOR OR ADVOCATED FOR.

>> THAT THOSE OF YOU RUNNING IN MAY CAN HOPE THAT THE VOTERS MEMORIES ARE SHORT, PAT YOURSELVES ON THE BACK AND SAY, LOOK WHAT I DID.

IF IT'S SO SIMPLE, FIVE DAYS TO GET A DOG ADOPTED, THEN EACH COUNCIL MEMBER, HECK, EACH CITY EMPLOYEE SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO FOSTER A DOG MONTHLY UNLESS THERE'S A MEDICAL CONTRAINDICATION VERIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT DOCTORS FROM TWO DIFFERENT SPECIALTIES IN TWO UNRELATED PRACTICES BECAUSE IF IT'S A LEGITIMATE ISSUE, IT SHOULD BE EASY TO OBTAIN.

YOU'D BE SAVING 12 DOGS PER YEAR EACH AND ONLY SPENDING 60 DAYS OR 16% OF THE YEAR.

THERE, I SOLVE FRISCO'S PET PROBLEM WITHOUT ADDING A DIME TO THE BUDGET OR TO THE TAXPAYERS.

WITH THE 1,500 EMPLOYEES STATED ON THE CITY OF FRISCO WEBSITE, YOU COULD SAVE 18,000 ANIMALS.

BUT I SUSPECT WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE.

THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE THOSE BOGUS NUMBERS PRESENTED ANY MORE THAN I DO.

WE CAN'T EVEN GET ANIMALS VETTED AND ON TRANSPORT, RESCUE PARTNERS IN NORTHERN STATES WITH STRICTER ANIMAL WELFARE LAWS IN FIVE DAYS.

TWO WEEKS SEEMS TO BE THE FASTEST TURNAROUND TIME.

WE NEED TO TABLE THIS UNTIL A TRUE PROFESSIONAL FEASIBILITY STUDY HAS BEEN COMPLETED, AND RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE BY APPROPRIATE EXPERTS.

THE ADVOCATES, CITIZENS, AND TAXPAYERS DESERVE THIS.

LAST NIGHT, NICOLE TOLD EVERYONE HER WHY.

TONIGHT, I'LL TELL YOU MY WHY.

NONE OF THESE ANIMALS ASKED TO BE HERE.

THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN FAILED BY HUMANS, AT LEAST ONCE, AND WE SHOULDN'T ADD ANOTHER LEVEL OF FEAR AND FAILURE ONTO WHAT EACH HAS ALREADY ENDURED.

WHEN YOU KNOW BETTER, YOU DO BETTER, AND WE KNOW BETTER AND CAN DO BETTER FOR OUR FURY CITIZENS.

THEIR LIVES MATTER.

>> NEXT, WE HAVE SHANNON GREER, AND FOLLOWING THAT, WE'LL HAVE DAN ELMER.

>> I'M SHANNON GREER, CONEY ISLAND, 75036.

I HAD A TON OF STUFF THAT I HAD WRITTEN OUT TO SAY, AND I WANT TO STOP AND JUST SAY, TO THE STAFF, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING ALL THE QUESTIONS TOGETHER.

TO CHIEF SHILSON, THANK YOU FOR TAKING OUR NUMEROUS EMAILS.

YOU GUYS WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND, AND WE DO APPRECIATE IT.

I DON'T WANT IT TO APPEARS IF WE DON'T.

WITH THAT SAID, I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT RESPONSIBLE GROWTH AND HUMANE TREATMENT OF ANIMALS.

TONIGHT, ALL OF US ARE HERE TO RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY.

WE'VE ONLY BEEN ASKING FOR 10 YEARS, MULTIPLE YEARS, STANDING HERE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY.

IT'S SO SIMPLE AND SO EASY AND CAN BE DONE IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, BUT YET EVERY TIME WE'RE TOLD WE DON'T NEED ONE.

WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.

IN 2024, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING TO YOUR FIRST PARTNER, MASI'S MISSION, HER EXPERT AND HER, AARON SCHULTZ CAME BACK AND QUESTIONED THE CITY'S DATA.

IT DOESN'T MATCH. IT DOESN'T ADD UP.

IN MAY OF 2025, CHENEY AND STEVE LERNER SENT AN EMAIL TO SHILSON SAYING, "WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE BRING FIVE DOGS IN ON MONDAY AND SIX DOGS IN ON TUESDAY, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW." THAT'S YOUR ANIMAL SERVICES TEAM TELLING YOU THAT.

BY THE WAY, THE SAME QUESTIONS IN STEVE LERNER'S EMAIL TO THE CITY TO SHILSON, ARE THE SAME QUESTIONS WE HAD.

WE KNOW ANIMALS.

THIS IS OUR LIFELONG WORK AND PASSION.

YOU SO KNOW REAL ESTATE, YOU KNOW BANKING.

ALL OF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU'RE GOOD AT.

ELECTIONS ARE COMING UP, AND AS THEY DO, ANIMAL WELFARE ADVOCATES ARE GOING TO BE ORGANIZED, ENGAGED, AND PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION.

WE HAVE A LIST OF THOUSANDS OF PET VOTERS HERE IN FRISCO, AND WE WILL BE CALLING THEM AND REMINDING THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY HOLD THEIR CITY LEADERSHIP ACCOUNTABLE TO DO THE FIDUCIARY DUTY THAT THEY HAVE TO THEIR TAXPAYERS.

BEFORE YOU GO INTO AN LOI TO SPEND $1, $5, 100,000 OR 12.5 MILLION, YOU HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE ACCURATE DATA TO YOUR RESIDENTS AND TAXPAYERS.

WHILE THIS IS NOT ABOUT POLITICS,

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IT'S ABOUT PLANNING RESPONSIBLY, HAVING ACCURATE DATA TO DO THAT, SO YOU CAN HAVE A COMPASSIONATE AND INNOVATIVE CITY APPROACH TO THIS.

WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON ASSUMPTIONS, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO MAKE THEM ON FACTS, AND IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

YOU HOLD THOSE SEATS, AND WE HOLD THE POWER TO TRY AND UNSEAT YOU IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO WHAT TAXPAYERS DESERVE.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE. THANK YOU.

>> NEXT, WE HAVE DAN ELMER, AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE'LL HAVE ABBY ALLISON.

>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, MAYOR. MY NAME IS DAN ELMER.

I LIVE IN LONE STAR RANCH HERE IN FRISCO.

JUST WANTED TO SAY HI. IT'S BEEN A FEW WEEKS.

I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF TALKING WITH THE MAJORITY OF YOU ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL AND I'M GOING TO COME AT IT FROM A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT PLACE, BUT FIRST, I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS WE'VE WELCOMED OUR THIRD SON TO THE WORLD.

AS PART OF THAT, I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE SOME TIME OFF AND REFLECT AND PRAY ON OUR CITY, OUR WORLD, MY FAMILY.

THERE'S A SCRIPTURE THAT'S BEEN COMING UP TO ME OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND IT'S IN HEBREWS 13.

IT GOES LIKE THIS, "HAVE CONFIDENCE IN YOUR LEADERS AND SUBMIT TO THEIR AUTHORITY BECAUSE THEY KEEP WATCH OVER YOU AS THOSE WHO MUST GIVE AN ACCOUNT.

DO THIS SO THAT THEIR WORK WILL BE A JOY, NOT A BURDEN, SO THAT WOULD BE OF NO BENEFIT TO YOU." I WANT TO START MY COMMENTS TONIGHT BY SAYING THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT I'VE LIVED UP TO THAT STANDARD EVERY TIME I'VE COME AND GIVEN PUBLIC COMMENTS TO YOU, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

I WANT TO START BY SAYING THIS.

CHIEF SHILSON, I WASN'T HERE AT THE MEETING LAST NIGHT.

IT SHOULDN'T BE HIS JOB TO MANAGE STRAY PETS.

I'M THANKFUL THAT YOU STOOD HERE AND TOOK HARPOONS AND TOOK A LOT OF FLACK.

YOU'RE THE FACE THAT WAS UP HERE AT THE PODIUM.

I KNOW YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THE LEADERSHIP, BUT THAT SHOULDN'T BE YOUR JOB. HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY.

I'M REALLY EXCITED, DESPITE THE COMMENTS AND THE CONFUSION AND THE THOUGHTS ABOUT PROCESS.

HERE'S WHAT I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IN THIS PROPOSAL.

HERE'S WHAT I LIKE. I LOVE THE STRENGTH AND THE CREDENTIALS OF THE OPERATOR, THE DEPTH OF HER TEAM.

WHILE THE MEETING WAS GOING ON, I WAS TEXTING A FEW OF YOU SAYING, "HEY, WHAT HAPPENS IF SHE GETS HIT BY A BUS?" THIRTY SECONDS LATER, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THESE 40 REALLY EXPERIENCED PEOPLE THAT ARE ON HER TEAM.

I THINK THAT'S HUGE. SUCCESSION PLANNING IS HUGE IN OPERATING SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

I LOVE THAT THE STRUCTURE LIMITS THE BURDEN OF ONGOING OPERATING COSTS ON THE TAXPAYERS BY AVOIDING THE NEED FOR AN M&O LEVY.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE TO THIS STRUCTURE, AND I'M THANKFUL FOR THAT APPROACH.

RATHER THAN DEFAULTING TO A FULLY CITY-OPERATED FULL-SERVICE SHELTER THAT WOULD LIKELY REQUIRE A LEVY, AT LEAST IN MY UNDERSTANDING, OTHER PEOPLE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THERE.

I LOVE THE LOCATION AND THE NATURE OF THE REAL ESTATE BEING PROPOSED HERE BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S TWO THINGS. I'M A BANKER.

I'M APPROACHING THIS AS A DEAL GUY.

I'M NOT AN ANIMAL EXPERT.

I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT OPERATIONS OF THESE FACILITIES, BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS I WANT TWO PATHS OUT OF EVERY DEAL AS A DEAL GUY.

ONE IF IT WORKS, ONE IF IT DOESN'T.

WHAT I REALLY LOVE ABOUT THIS LOCATION, THE NATURE OF THE REAL ESTATE IS THAT IT CAN BE REPURPOSED EITHER FOR ANOTHER CITY PURPOSE BASED ON THE PROXIMITY TO OTHER CITY BUILDINGS, OR IT COULD BE RE-TENTED, REPURPOSED FOR ANOTHER PRIVATE USER, IF THE PARTNERSHIP WERE TO FAIL, IF THIS WERE TO GO HORRIBLY WRONG, AND COUNCIL WERE TO DECIDE TO JUST ABANDON THE WHOLE PROJECT.

I REALLY LIKED THAT ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE BIGGER PROJECT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AGO.

WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO RISKS? WELL, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE.

THIS IS AN EMOTIONALLY AND MORALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.

I'VE GOT TWO DOGS WHICH SHORTLY AFTER WE MOVED HERE TO FRISCO.

I'VE GOT A GOLDEN DOODLE.

IT'S ANNOYING AS I'LL NOT GET UP, AND I'VE GOT A DACHSHUND AND THEY'RE QUITE A PAIR, BUT I HAD A FRENCH BULLDOG WHEN WE FIRST MOVED HERE, AND WITHIN THE FIRST FEW MONTHS WE MOVED HERE, SHE ACTUALLY PASSED AWAY FROM CANCER.

WE HAD ADOPTED HER THINKING SHE WAS FOUR-YEARS-OLD.

TURNS OUT SHE WAS MUCH OLDER.

WE DISCOVERED THAT BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD SHE WAS NEUTERED, AND WE ENDED UP IN A DOG PARK WHEN SHE WENT INTO HEAT.

THAT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER STORY.

THE RISK HERE IS THAT IF COUNCIL DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD AND YOU DON'T VALIDATE THE DATA THAT WE'RE SAYING WE HAVE,

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WHAT I CAN TELL IS THAT THERE'S A VERY TALENTED TEAM THAT'S PUT TOGETHER THIS APPROACH.

MY PREFERENCE IS THAT IF THE CITY CAN FIND IT FEASIBLE TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO WORK, THAT'S IDEAL FROM A DEAL PERSPECTIVE, FROM A RISK PERSPECTIVE.

THAT'S WHAT I KNOW. I DO THINK WE OWE IT TO THE CITIZENS, WE OWE IT TO THE RESIDENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COMPLETELY CONFIDENT IN THE DATA IN THE WAY THE PROCESS PLAYED OUT, WHETHER THAT MEANS A FEASIBILITY STUDY, WHETHER THAT MEANS MORE DETAILED PRESENTATIONS OF THE DATA THAT YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT FROM THE COUNTY FACILITY AND FROM OTHER SOURCES, AS YOU GO THROUGH THE LOI.

JUST BECAUSE I HAVE FIVE SECONDS LEFT, IF YOU DO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE LOI, I JUST RECOMMEND, YOU CAN ADJUST IT AND PUT IN CAVEATS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE OUTLINED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE DILIGENCE ITEMS THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT.

I APPRECIATE YOU ALL. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO, AND SORRY I'M RUNNING OVER TIME.

I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK FOR FIVE MINUTES, BUT YOU KNOW I CAN ALWAYS FILL THE WHOLE TIME.[LAUGHTER]

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE ABBY ALLISON, AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE HAVE DAVID OVARD.

>> HI, I'M ABBY ALLISON.

I'M A FRISCO RESIDENT AND SUPER THANKFUL TO SPEAK ON THIS PROPOSAL.

HOPEFULLY YOU'LL HEAR MY OPPOSITION TO IT, AND JUST LOVE YOUR COMMENT, MAYOR CHENEY ABOUT LEARNING FROM RESIDENTS.

LIKE TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT ANIMAL ADVOCATES ARE IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PROPOSAL UNTIL A FEASIBILITY STUDY HAS BEEN COMPLETED, AND ARGUABLY MORE IMPORTANTLY, COLLIN COUNTY IS OUT OF THE PICTURE.

THE CITY HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT THIS PROPOSAL IS A STRAY HOLDING FACILITY, AND THAT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM.

YESTERDAY, I SPOKE OUT TO EXPLAIN THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE ANIMALS AND WHY ANIMAL ADVOCATES AND ANIMAL EXPERTS DO NOT SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL.

YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OPINIONS OF SUPPORT FROM FOLKS THAT VOLUNTEER ONLY AT VERY NICE SHELTERS LIKE THE COLONY OR ONLY ON BOARDS.

PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT VOLUNTEERING AT THE COLLIN COUNTY SHELTER IS VERY DIFFERENT.

YOU SEE THE OVERCROWDING FIRSTHAND, YOU SEE THE CHALLENGES THAT STAFF FACED, AND LIKE BRITTANY, A WONDERFUL SENTIMENT SHE SHARED EARLIER, SOMETIMES THE BEST SOLUTIONS AREN'T PROPOSED BY THOSE NOT ON THE GROUND.

YOU PAY FOR PARKS, WHETHER YOU USE THEM OR NOT.

THAT'S JUST HOW SOCIETY AND HOW OUR SOCIAL CONTRACT WORKS.

WE HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR PEOPLE AND LIVING BEINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND HELP OUT OUR COMMUNITY.

THE FOCUS OF MY COMMENTS TODAY ARE ABOUT HOW THIS IS A BAD INVESTMENT WITH NO DATA TO BACK IT.

WE'VE HEARD MANY TIMES THAT THIS PROPOSAL IS DATA DRIVEN.

WELL, I'VE BEEN PROVIDED THE DATA THAT THE CITY COMPLETED VIA PIR.

I WAS APPALLED WITH THE ANALYSIS.

I REVIEW MANY ANALYSES IN MY JOB.

I WORK AS A MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT.

I'VE JUST NEVER SEEN ONE SO FLAWED.

I'LL PROVIDE TWO EXAMPLES. THE FIRST.

THE CITY PROVIDED ESTIMATES OF THE ANNUAL OPERATING COST IN THIS ANALYSIS.

THE ANNUALLY OPERATING COST WAS $3,640,802 FOR THIS HOLDING FACILITY IN ADDITION TO THE COLLIN COUNTY PAYMENT OF $453,501.

IN THE SAME ANALYSIS, IT SHOWS THE COLONY'S OPERATING BUDGET AT $489,359.

JUST TO REITERATE, ACCORDING TO FRISCO'S OWN ANALYSIS, THE COLONY IS OFFERING A BETTER SERVICE AT A LOWER PRICE.

WHAT IS THE COST OF FRISCO, OR WHY IS THE CITY OF FRISCO IMPLYING THAT OUR SOLUTION IS MORE COST EFFICIENT IF OUR OWN ANALYSIS PROVES OTHERWISE? SECOND EXAMPLE, THE CITY OF FRISCO IS CLAIMING THAT OUR SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ON PAR FOR OUR CITY SIZE.

THAT'S ALSO NOT COMPLETELY TRUE BASED ON THE ANALYSIS.

THE CITY SIMPLY CHERRY PICKED 13 LOCAL SHELTERS WITH MANY OF THEM BEING UNDER 100,000 RESIDENTS, AND DIVIDED EACH SHELTER'S CORRESPONDING SQUARE FOOTAGE BY 13.

A TRUE ANALYSIS OF PROPER SHELTER SIZE WOULD HAVE NORMALIZED FOR THAT CITY'S NUMBER OF RESIDENTS.

IF WE HAD DONE A PROPER ANALYSIS, OUR SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE AT ROUGHLY 300,000 SQUARE FEET RATHER THAN THE MEASLY 5K WE HAVE PORTIONED OFF FOR FRISCO ANIMALS RIGHT NOW.

IT'S LIKE SAYING EVERY SCHOOL NEEDS THE SAME NUMBER OF CLASSROOMS, WHETHER IT HAS 100 STUDENTS OR 1,000.

THAT'S JUST NOT HOW CAPACITY PLANNING WORKS.

THIS IS PRECISELY WHY WE NEED TO COMPLETE A FEASIBILITY STUDY BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH SIGNING A LETTER OF INTENT.

NO ONE'S ASK ANIMAL EXPERTS OR ADVOCATES WHAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS PROPOSAL.

IF THE CITY'S CLAIMING EXPERTS WERE CONSULTED, THERE ARE NO PUBLIC RECORDS TO REFLECT THAT.

IT CANNOT BE A CITY-DRIVEN STAFF-DRIVEN STRAIGHT-HOLDING PROPOSAL.

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WE HAVE TO LEAN ON EXPERTS AND ADVOCATES IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THE MOON, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR A FRACTION OF THE COMMUNITY INPUT AND A FRACTION OF THE FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS COMPLETED FROM THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.

ADDITIONALLY, IN COMMISSIONERS COURT, YESTERDAY, CHERYL WILLIAMS FIRMLY STATED THAT FRISCO SHOULD BUILD ITS OWN ANIMAL FACILITY.

OH, I'M SORRY, FRISCO SHOULD BUILD ITS OWN ANIMAL SHELTER.

ANOTHER COMMISSIONER SHARED A SIMILAR SENTIMENT.

ARE WE PREPARED FOR COLLIN COUNTY TO END THEIR PARTNERSHIP WITH US? WHAT WILL WE DO THEN? I CAN TELL YOU THAT MANY FRISCO AND COUNTY CITIZENS WOULD LIKE THIS AGREEMENT BETWEEN FRISCO AND COLLIN COUNTY TO END IN 2028, AND WE'LL BE WASTING A LOT OF MONEY TO RE-PURPOSE THIS SHELTER IF WE DON'T DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

TO REITERATE, EXPERIENCED ANIMAL ADVOCATES WILL OPPOSE THIS UNTIL THE PROPOSAL NO LONGER INCLUDES RELIANCE ON THE COUNTY, AND IF FEASIBILITY STUDY HAS BEEN DONE WITH COMMUNITY INPUT SIMILAR IN NATURE TO THE COMMUNITY ART CENTER BEFORE WE MOVE THIS FORWARD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING ANIMAL ADVOCATES ON THIS TONIGHT.

AND NEXT AFTER THAT WILL BE SHAWNA SAL.

>> NEXT IS DAVID OVARD.

>> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, DEPUTY CITY SECRETARY, CITY SECRETARY, EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR LAST NIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR THIS EVENING.

I'M DAVID OVARD.

I'VE LIVED ON THACKERAY DRIVE FOR 21 YEARS, AND I NEED TO ASK THE SCOUTS HOW TO PROPERLY WORK A POCKET KNIFE AND DEVELOP SOME LEADERSHIP SKILLS. WE'LL GET TO THAT LATER.

I TOLD YOU ALL LAST NIGHT THAT RENN AND I ADOPTED OUR FIRST RESCUE IN 1990 AND THAT SHE WAS THE BEST DOG EVER.

SINCE THEN, WE'VE ADOPTED, RESCUED AND SAVED NUMEROUS ANIMALS LITERALLY OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, FROM FOSTER HOMES, FROM SHELTERS, INCLUDING CCAS.

THEY INCLUDE SASHA, RILEY, BAILEY, WAFFLES, TRINKET, RATCHET, BUNKER, SULLY, AND GHOST.

WE HAVE TWO RIGHT NOW THAT ARE RESCUED. WE HAVE THREE DOGS.

WE WANT A CAT, BUT THAT'S FOR A TOPIC FROM MY WIFE LATER.

WE'VE GOT ONE FROM CCAS, AND WE'VE GOT ONE THAT WE RESCUED FROM A FOSTER HOME.

I TOLD YOU ALL LAST NIGHT THAT I'VE SPENT ABOUT SIX WEEKS ASKING PEOPLE AROUND TOWN BECAUSE HISTORICALLY, THE MAJORITY OF CITIZENS IN FRISCO HAVE NOT WANTED A FULL ANIMAL SHELTER.

I'VE BEEN ASKING PEOPLE, HAS THAT CHANGED? I KNOW MY FELLOW ANIMAL LOVERS, I GET IT.

THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DO WANT A FULL ANIMAL SHELTER, BUT THE MAJORITY HISTORICALLY HAVE NOT.

I'VE BEEN ASKING PEOPLE, WHAT'S THEIR OPINION? HAVE THINGS CHANGED? WHAT ARE THE REASONS FOR THEM? AFTER LAST NIGHT'S DISCUSSION, AND I THOUGHT EVERYTHING LAST NIGHT WAS GREAT.

IT WAS CORDIAL AND EVERYBODY FROM BOTH SIDES.

I GOT FEEDBACK FROM ABOUT 21 PEOPLE AND THE FEEDBACK WAS, WE HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH A FULL ANIMAL SHELTER, ONE, MAINLY BECAUSE OF COST.

TWO, THEY VIEW IT AS A PEOPLE PROBLEM, AN OWNER PROBLEM, NOT A STRAY PROBLEM.

THEY'VE GOT CONCERNS ABOUT PEOPLE TAKING ANIMALS, DUMPING THEM IN A SHELTER, THAT IS NO KILL SHELTER, AND THEN YOU HAVE A TON OF ANIMALS THAT ARE THERE FOR AN INDEFINITE PERIOD OF TIME, AND EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE THROWING A TON OF MONEY AT IT, IT'S JUST A REALLY INSOLVABLE PROBLEM.

THREE, THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT STAFFING.

IT'S HARD TO KEEP THOSE PLACES STAFFED.

MANY OF THESE FOLKS VIEW ANIMAL SHELTERS JUST BASICALLY AS INHUMANE MANY TIMES.

THEY ALSO HAVE CONCERN OVER DISEASE, INJURY, ILLNESS, AND AGGRESSION OF THE PETS.

THERE WERE SEVERAL COLLIN COUNTY RESIDENTS WHO SAID, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, I'VE PAID FOR CCAS.

I'M PAYING FOR AN EXPANSION OF CCAS.

NOW I'VE GOT TO PAY FOR ANOTHER ANIMAL SHELTER IN FRISCO PROPER.

NOW, AS A RESIDENT OF FRISCO AND COLLIN COUNTY, I'M PAYING FOR TWO ANIMAL SHELTERS. THEY DON'T LOVE THAT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE COST BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE POLITICAL ISSUES AND BE CONCERNED ABOUT RUNNING FOR REELECTION, THE BUDGET THAT I SAW LAST NIGHT, THE NUMBER SAID THAT A ANIMAL SHELTER WOULD BE ABOUT 11.5 MILLION DOLLAR.

THEN IT'S 2.15 MILLION TO MANAGE IT, OPERATE IT, RUN IT, AND DO ALL THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO.

OVER THREE YEARS, THAT'S $18 MILLION.

OVER SIX YEARS, THAT'S 24,450,000.

OVER 10 YEARS, THAT'S $33 MILLION.

IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME THAT I'VE BEEN IN FRISCO, THAT'D BE $57 MILLION.

THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY, YOU ALL.

WHERE IS THAT MONEY GOING TO COME FROM.

IF THE CDC PAYS FOR IT UPFRONT, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PRIVATE PARTNER, ARE YOU GOING TO DO A BOND? WE KNOW HOW CITIZENS FEEL ABOUT BONDS THESE DAYS.

ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE IT FROM FIRST RESPONDERS FROM THE POLICE,

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FROM THE FIRE FROM PARKS AND REC? WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE IT FROM? I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU, THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE GOTTEN WAS, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN LOI.

IT'S A NON BINDING LOI, SO THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO SIGN IT.

YOU CAN STILL DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY IF YOU WANT TO.

BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT A FEASIBILITY STUDY INCLUDES THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE, THAT ANIMAL SERVICES DON'T HAVE.

I BELIEVE STRONGLY IN THE CHIEF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND IF THEY ALREADY HAVE THE DATA, THEN WE CAN USE IT.

THEY'RE THE DAY IN DAY OUT EXPERTS THAT ARE DOING THIS STUFF.

IF A FEASIBILITY STUDY, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST? WHAT ELSE WILL IT ADD? A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS. THE LOCATION.

WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT.

IT'S NOT CONVENIENT, BUT IT'S NOT TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF INCONVENIENT, EITHER.

IT'S BY THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE.

IT'S BY OTHER GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS.

IT'S REALLY NOT THAT BAD IF YOU WANT TO GO GET YOUR ANIMAL.

THE FEEDBACK FROM THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE TALKED TO, IT WAS INTERESTING.

THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, IT'S SLIGHTLY IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED FACILITY.

I THINK THAT THEY VIEW THAT AS A NEW INNOVATIVE WAY TO HAVE THE TYPICAL FRISCO PARTNERSHIP WITH A PRIVATE PARTNER THAT TAKES THE RISK, THE LONG TERM RISK OFF THE CITY.

THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR ANY OF IT AND JUST CONTINUE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING.

THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PERSON WHO IS IN FAVOR OF A FULL ANIMAL SHELTER.

I PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU JUST FOR YOUR USE THIS EVENING. THANK YOU.

>> NEXT, WE HAVE SHAWNA SAL, AND THEN AFTER THAT WILL BE LISA KIRBY.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS SHAWNA SAL.

I LIVE AT 13407 LYNDHURST DRIVE.

I'M ALSO THE PROUD DOG MOM TO HONEY BEAR.

FOR 10 YEARS, I, AND ALONG WITH MANY OF YOU HAVE MET NUMEROUS TIMES WITH THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO ADVOCATE FOR AN ANIMAL SHELTER.

WE HAVE GROWN ROUGHLY 100,000 IN POPULATION SINCE THAT TIME.

IN 2016, IT DID NOT MAKE SENSE TO BUILD OUR OWN ANIMAL SHELTER, AND OUR COST WITH COLLIN COUNTY WERE MUCH LOWER.

IN FACT, THEY WERE LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT THEY ARE NOW.

I PERSONALLY, IN MAKING DECISIONS, STRUGGLED WITH THE COST INVOLVED WITH BUILDING OUR OWN SHELTER.

IN ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS, WE ENCOURAGE THE RESIDENTS AND THE ADVOCATES TO FOLLOW THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS TO WAIT FOR A CITIZENS BOND COMMITTEE, ALLOW THE ISSUE TO WORK ITS WAY THROUGH THE BOND COMMITTEE AND THEN ALLOW THE RESIDENTS TO VOTE ON A SHELTER.

WE OF COURSE SAW THAT IN THE LAST BOND COMMITTEE OF 2023, THAT WHILE THE ANIMAL ADVOCATES APPROPRIATELY WENT THROUGH THE BOND PROCESS, SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL CHOSE TO NOT SEND THE ANIMAL SHELTER PROPOSITION TO THE VOTERS.

IT MAKES SENSE AS TO WHY THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PROCESS.

FAST FORWARD TO TODAY WITH THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL OF THE ANIMAL HOLDING FACILITY.

WHILE I AGREE THAT IT DOES SOLVE FOR SEVERAL OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED OVER THE YEARS, SUCH AS HAVING AN INCREDIBLE PRIVATE OPERATOR TO RUN THE FACILITY AND MAKING IT EASIER FOR PET OWNERS TO QUICKLY RETRIEVE LOST PETS, THERE'S STILL A FEW MISSING KEY STANDARDS THAT I THINK SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.

FIRST, WE GOT TO STOP PAYING COLLIN COUNTY OVER $650,000 ANNUALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.

ALL THIS DOES IS ADD TO OUR TOTAL COSTS AND IT'S NOT TAKING CARE OF THE TRUE NEEDS.

IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A FACILITY, IT'S TIME TO DO A FULL FACILITY, AND STOP PAYING COLLIN COUNTY ALL TOGETHER.

AS IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE COLLIN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT JUST YESTERDAY SAID IT IS TIME FOR FRISCO TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND BUILD ITS OWN SHELTER.

IN THE COMING YEARS, OUR COST WITH THEM ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE AS THEIR WAY OF PRESSURING US TO DO WHAT IT IS NOW TIME TO DO.

SECOND, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BUILD? WE NEED TO DO A REAL FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT GIVES US REAL DATA TO BASE OUR DECISIONS ON? WE SPENT OVER A MILLION DOLLARS TO STUDY THE ARTS FACILITY MULTIPLE TIMES.

YOU EVEN DECIDED TWO WEEKS AGO TO DO YET ANOTHER SURVEY WHEN VOTERS ALREADY GAVE YOU A PRETTY CLEAR SURVEY IN MAY, AND HERE WE HAVE YET TO DO ONE SINGLE STUDY.

NOW, OF COURSE, WE, ALL OF US ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE OKAY WITH WHAT THAT STUDY REVEALS TO US? DOES THE NEED EXIST AND HOW WOULD WE BEST MEET THAT NEED IN THE YEARS TO COME? WE CONTINUE TO SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO RUN A SHELTER.

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WE HAD ENOUGH MONEY TO COMMIT TO

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OVER SIX MILLION DOLLAR IN START UP COSTS FOR OTHER PROJECTS.

WE HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS THAT WE CONTINUE TO SPEND ON OTHER GOOD PROJECTS AND INCENTIVES.

IT SEEMS THAT WE CAN FIND MONEY TO SUPPORT PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO SUPPORT.

JUST BECAUSE IN THE YEARS BEFORE, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR FRISCO TO BUILD ITS OWN SHELTER DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE TIME HAS NOT COME FOR US TO DO SO NOW.

I DID ASK THE ANIMAL ADVOCATES IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS WHAT THEY NEEDED TO BE COMFORTABLE TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

HOW DO WE GET TO YES? THE TWO MAIN THINGS THAT KEPT COMING UP WERE MENTIONED EARLIER, NOT TRANSPORTING THEM TO COLLIN COUNTY AND DOING A REAL FEASIBILITY STUDY TO GET EXPERT INFORMATION ON HOW TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.

LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THIS A WIN FOR EVERYONE.

A WIN FOR THE ANIMALS, A WIN FOR THE ANIMAL ADVOCATES, A WIN FOR THE OPERATOR WHO WILL HAVE REAL INFORMATION ON THE NEEDS AND HOW TO SOLVE THEM, A WIN FOR THE RESIDENTS, AND EVEN A WIN FOR YOU, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.

WE CAN TAKE THE TIME TO DO THIS STUDY, DETERMINE THE TRUE NEED, DO AN LOI, AND HAVE THE EXPERTS HELP US DESIGN THE PROJECT THAT WORKS FOR NOW AND IN THE YEARS TO COME.

THIS IS NOT SAYING NO TO THIS PROJECT.

WE CAN AMEND ITEM 36 TONIGHT TO INCLUDE A FEASIBILITY STUDY.

MAKE THE DEVOTE DEPENDENT UPON THAT PART OF IT.

IT WILL BE PROVIDING THE REAL DATA AND DEVELOPING THE PUBLIC TRUST TO WHAT THE ACTUAL FUELED PROJECT SHOULD BE.

TIMES HAVE CHANGED. THE NEED HAS CHANGED, OUR POPULATION HAS CHANGED, AND MAYBE WE ALL NEED TO CONSIDER A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW THAN WE'VE ALWAYS CONSIDERED BEFORE.

>> NEXT, WE HAVE LISA KIRBY, AND THEN FINALLY, ELIZABETH JAMES.

>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

MAYOR, AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS LISA KIRBY.

I AM ON THE ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

I WANT TO EXPRESS MY SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION AND WILLINGNESS TO LISTEN TO THE CONCERNS AND RECOMMENDATIONS SHARED BY THE FRISCO ANIMAL ADVOCATES AND RESIDENTS REGARDING THE PROPOSED ANIMAL SERVICES FACILITY.

WE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS LAST NIGHT, AND I WAS JUST THINKING OF WHAT SHAWNA SAL WAS THINKING SAYING, AND WE COULD EASILY TONIGHT, DO THE LOI AND ALSO CONSIDER A FEASIBILITY STUDY AFTERWARDS.

THERE'S NOTHING SAYING WE COULDN'T DO IT AFTERWARDS.

I REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA, BUT IT COULD BE DONE LATER ON.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY BRIEFLY, I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS PRETTY BRIEF.

I SUPPORT GOING FORWARD WITH A LETTER OF INTENT.

I JUST WANT TO SAY AGAIN, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION AND CONTINUE TO MAKE THE CITY OF FRISCO A CITY THAT VALUES BOTH ITS PEOPLE AND ITS PETS.

[INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WE HAVE ELIZABETH JAMES, AND THEN WE HAD A LATE ADD, JESSE RINGNESS AT THE END.

>> THANK YOU TO OUR VETERANS, BY THE WAY, TO CITY COUNCIL, TO NICOLE AND WIGGLE BUT, AND OUR FELLOW CITIZENS.

I'M GOING TO BASICALLY CONCEDE MY TIME.

I KNOW MOST OF YOU WHO KNOW ME ARE SHOCKED BY THAT BECAUSE FOR MY HEIGHT I MAKE UP AND HOW MUCH I SPEAK.

BUT, I WOULD SAY, I WANT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR OUR ANIMALS AND WORK WITH OUR CITIZENS.

I'M NOT FOR MOVING FORWARD UNTIL WE HAVE A FEASIBILITY STUDY.

FOR THE SAME REASONS OUTLINED BEFORE.

I RECOGNIZE THAT PEOPLE HAVE FRIENDS THAT THEY'VE SPOKEN WITH.

I HAVE FRIENDS WHO DO WANT IT.

WE DO NEED TO ACCEPT IF THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY COMES BACK AND SAYS, THIS IS NOT WHAT WE NEED.

WE DO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD THAT WAY.

I REALLY WANT TO ALSO ECHO HOW APPRECIATIVE I AM OF WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO SHARED ON BOTH SIDES LAST NIGHT AND TONIGHT.

I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO RETURN TO SENSITIVITY.

I LOVE SEEING IT IN ACTION, SO THANK YOU A THANK YOU TOO LAURA FOR HAVING ME OVER TO DISCUSS IT AS WELL.

>> FINALLY, JESSE RINGNESS.

>> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU, MR. LEE FOR THIS GIFT. I APPRECIATE THAT.

I ASK TONIGHT THAT YOU ALLOW CITY STAFF, THE CDC,

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TO MOVE FORWARD WITH GRANTING PARAMETERS AND GUIDELINES TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS LONG JOURNEY WITH WIGGLE BUT ACADEMY, AND FRISCO PD AND THE CITIZENS OF FRISCO FOR A SOLUTION FOR THE PETS IN FRISCO.

I ASK THAT YOU TRULY CONSIDER THE PARTNERS EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND, KNOWLEDGE, AND IMPRESSIVE CERTIFICATION, AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND THE YEARS OF VOLUNTEERISM.

I ASK IF YOU CONSIDER NICOLE'S WHY THAT SHE SHARED LAST NIGHT, AS WELL AS THE WHY NOW? I ASK, IF NOT NOW, THEN WHEN? IF NOT THIS PARTNER, THEN WHO? THANK YOU TO CITY STAFF, BECAUSE I FORGOT THEM LAST NIGHT, WHO HAVE WORKED DILIGENTLY ALONGSIDE FRISCO LEADERSHIP TO SUPPORT THE PETS OF FRISCO.

THANK YOU. PLEASE PASS THIS LOI.

>> WELL, THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR THE PUBLIC INPUT AND CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE RESPECTFUL MANNER IN WHICH YOU CONVEY YOUR POSITIONS, EVEN WHEN THEY MAY DIFFER FROM SOME OF OURS.

>> THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU FOR THE DISCOURSE.

A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO REITERATE IS THAT APPROVING AN LOI ALLOWS US TO START THE PROCESS OF DOING A FEASIBILITY STUDY.

>> WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FOR EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER UP HERE.

EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER IS GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, DIFFERENT PARAMETERS THAT THEY NEED TO OVERCOME DIFFERENT DATA POINTS, THEY WANT VALIDATED.

SOME MAY WANT TO DIG INTO OPERATIONS.

SOME MAY WANT TO KNOW THE FIVE DAY HOLDING.

SOME MAY WANT TO VERIFY THE INTAKE DATA.

SOME MAY WANT TO DIVE INTO THE FINANCIALS.

SOME ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE OPERATING AGREEMENT.

IT'S PROBABLY A DEAL THAT SEVEN PEOPLE WILL BE ATTACKING IT SEVEN DIFFERENT WAYS.

THAT IS WHAT A TRUE FEASIBILITY PERIOD AND STUDY AND DUE DILIGENCE LOOKS LIKE.

ON TOP OF THAT, OUR STAFF IS GOING TO BE DOING THE SAME THING.

THEY HAVE LED US VERY WELL AND HAVE DECADES LONG TRACK RECORDS OF DELIVERING EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.

I WOULD ARGUE THERE'S NO ONE IN THE COUNTRY THAT DOES IT BETTER THAN FRISCO.

TRUTHFULLY, IF ANOTHER CITY WAS TRYING TO DO THIS, AND THIS WAS THE FIRST OF ITS KIND, AND THEIR COUNSEL AND THEIR PUBLIC WAS SAYING, WELL, DO A DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD FIRST.

MY GUESS IS WHAT THEY WOULD SAY IS, WE NEED TO GO TALK TO FRISCO AND LEARN FROM THEM HOW THEY EXECUTE THESE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.

THAT'S THE FIRST STEP THAT WE NEED TO GO DO.

THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE, AND THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS WE MAY GET TO THE FINISH LINE, AND COUNSEL MAY STILL VOTE NO.

THAT WOULD MAYBE DISAPPOINT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE GOTTEN THEIR HOPES UP AND HEARD ABOUT IT AND READ ABOUT IT IN THE NEWSPAPERS.

BUT IT MAY GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE DELIVERED AN ANSWER THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT WE THOUGHT AT THE LOI PERIOD, AND THEN WHAT WE UNCOVERED ISN'T THE SAME PROJECT THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS, AND I'M NO LONGER COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD.

CERTAINLY, MOVING FORWARD WITH AN LOI IS DOING IT WITH AN INTENT TO BUILD SOMETHING GREAT AND WORK WITH OUR PARTNER THAT, I THINK EVERYONE IN UNIT AGREES IS THE RIGHT PARTNER.

WE COULDN'T HAVE SCOURED THE COUNTRY PROBABLY AND FOUND A POTENTIAL BETTER PARTNER.

WE HAVE TO GET THE PROJECT WE NEED TO GET STARTED.

WE NEED TO GET THE REAL HARD WORK STARTED.

WE NEED TO ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES, AND WE NEED TO START GETTING SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED, SO WE CAN GET TO A POINT WHERE COUNSEL CAN MAKE A VOTE, AND COUNSEL'S BEEN COMMITTED TO BRING THE PUBLIC ALONG THE ENTIRE WAY.

I'M CERTAINLY SUPPORTIVE.

TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT WE NEED TO APPROVE THE LETTER OF INTENT.

WE NEED TO SHOW GOOD FAITH TO OUR PARTNER WHO HAS SHOWN GOOD FAITH TO US, THAT WE HAVE THE INTENT TO ROLL UP THE SLEEVES, ARM AND ARM WITH THEM AND TRY TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THIS COMMUNITY IS PROUD OF.

BUT I WILL REITERATE AGAIN THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK AND DUE DILIGENCE STILL LEFT TO BE DONE.

COUNCIL, I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

>> I'D LIKE TO GO FIRST SINCE, I'M AT THIS AT NEW END, AND I USUALLY GO LAST.

I'D LIKE TO START BY GOING FIRST.

[LAUGHTER] TO MIX IT UP A LITTLE BIT.

I DON'T FIRST, I DO WANT TO JUST REITERATE, I HAVE NEVER SEEN SOMEBODY AS CREDENTIALED IN THEIR PROFESSION AS OUR PROPOSED PARTNER.

IT WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE. SHE RAN OUT OF BREATH,

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AND I QUIT PAYING ATTENTION A ONE POINT, AND SHE WAS STILL GOING WHEN I CAME BACK.

IT WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE.

CONGRATULATIONS ON WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED IN YOUR CAREER.

I SAID EARLIER TODAY IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, IF I WAS CREATING A UTOPIAN CITY FROM SCRATCH, THERE IS NOBODY I WOULD RATHER HIRE THAN CHIEF SHILSON AND HIS LEADERSHIP TEAM TO IMPLEMENT THE FIRST RESPONDERS IN THE CITY OF FRISCO.

IF I WAS STARTING THAT CITY, AND I HAD TO PICK WHO WAS GOING TO START THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

IT PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE CHIEF SHILSON.

I DON'T THINK HE TOOK OFFENSE TO THAT.

I TALKED TO HIM IN THE ELEVATOR.

I DON'T KNOW I'M PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO DISAPPOINT EVERYBODY IN HERE TONIGHT, BUT I DON'T THINK, THE KEYWORDS THINK WE NEED A FULL ANIMAL SHELTER.

I'VE BEEN TOLD ONCE WE HEARD ONCE TONIGHT DURING EARLIER COMMENTS, AND I HEARD IT ONCE BEFORE IN AN EARLIER SESSION THAT WE HAD THAT PEOPLE UP HERE DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED THIS, THAT WE NEED THE HOLDING FACILITY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

I DO UNDERSTAND THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE PUT IN A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO HOW TO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY AND DO IT WHILE WE'RE DOING THE LOI AT THE SAME TIME.

I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD.

WHAT OUR GOALS ARE, WHAT THE CRITERIA IS BEFORE WE PICK THE OPERATING PARTNER.

IT MAY END UP BEING THE SAME OPERATING PARTNER, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.

FIRST, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, GIVING EVERYTHING THAT I JUST SAID, WITH A $13 MILLION BUDGET, WITH AN INCREASE IN THE OPERATING EXPENSES ABOVE WHAT WE HAVE AT CCAS THAT MAY NOT BE CAPPED.

I'M CONCERNED THEY MAY NOT BE CAPPED.

I DON'T THINK IT'S FISCALLY PRUDENT AT THIS POINT TO SUPPORT IT AT $13 MILLION TO OUR TAXPAYERS' MONEY.

I DO NOT PLAN TO BE SUPPORTING THIS TONIGHT.

IF IT DOES PASS, YOU DO HAVE MY COMMITMENT THAT I'LL WORK AS DILIGENTLY AS I CAN, IN MY REMAINING FEW MONTHS UP HERE TO MAKE SURE IT'S AS SUCCESSFUL AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU.

>> I GUESS WE CAN JUST KEEP GOING DOWN THE DAIS HERE.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN ADVOCATES FOR PETS OVER THE YEARS.

I KNOW THAT I'VE MET WITH SEVERAL OF YOU, AND I'VE BEEN ON COUNSEL NOW FOR FOUR YEARS, AND IT HAS BEEN A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION FOR MANY YEARS, EVEN PRECEDING MY TERM ON COUNSEL.

BUT I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO ADVOCATE AND TO EVEN EDUCATE THOSE OF US ON THE DAYS WHO MAY NOT BE AS EXPERIENCED OR AS KNOWLEDGEABLE AS YOU ARE ON THIS TOPIC.

THANK YOU FOR THE COFFEES AND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH YOU THAT HAVE BEEN VERY PROFESSIONAL.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK STAFF FOR CHIEF SHILSON AND KEN AND THE NUMBER OF CITY STAFFERS WHO HAVE BEEN ON THIS JOURNEY, REALLY, TRACKING WITH US OVER THE YEARS, TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT THE BEST SOLUTION IS.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU'VE GIVEN TO THIS TOPIC.

I WANT TO FIRST START WITH OUR WHY.

THE WHY FOR ME, COMES WITH WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM PET ADVOCATES OVER THE YEARS.

WHAT YOU'VE TOLD ME, AND WHAT I'VE TAKEN NEAR AND DEAR TO HEART IS YOU WANTED A HUMANE, BEST IN CLASS, CONVENIENT LOCATION FOR PET FAMILIES TO REUNITE WITH THEIR LOST PETS.

THAT WAS THE OVERARCHING THEME THAT I'VE HEARD.

THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK I'VE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM YOU IS THAT IF YOU WERE A PET, THE LAST PLACE THAT YOU WANT TO BE LOST AND FOUND IS AT THE COLLIN COUNTY ANIMAL SHELTER.

THOSE WERE TWO BIG THEMES THAT I HAVE HEARD CONSISTENTLY FROM YOU.

ALONG THOSE LINES, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE DONE AS A CITY IS WE TOOK TO HEART WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU, AND I THINK WE'VE PUT FORTH A REALLY GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO DELIVER TO YOU WHAT YOU'VE ASKED.

IN THE SOLUTION, WHAT WE ARE OFFERING, INITIALLY, AGAIN, THE LOI IS JUST THE FIRST STEP IN THIS PROCESS.

BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR SOLUTION, WHAT WE'RE OFFERING IS A CLEAN, HIGH QUALITY HUMANE LOCATION FOR FRISCO PET FAMILIES TO REUNITE WITH THEIR LOST PETS.

IN THIS SOLUTION, WE'RE OFFERING A HIGHLY QUALIFIED PRIVATE PARTNER TO COME ALONGSIDE AND OFFER THIS SERVICE.

IN THIS SOLUTION, FROM A FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT FOR BASE RENT FOR SERVICES MODEL THAT I THINK IS HIGHLY INNOVATIVE,

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AND I APPLAUD STAFF FOR THINKING THROUGH THIS.

IN THIS SOLUTION, WE'VE PROPOSED A MINIMUM HOLD OF FIVE DAYS WHEN OUR AVERAGE HOLD, ACCORDING TO OUR DATA THAT WE RECEIVED FROM CCAS IS AN AVERAGE OF FOUR DAYS.

IN THIS SOLUTION, WE HAVE A FACILITY THAT CAN HOLD, I BELIEVE, UP TO 20 PETS OR SO AT A TIME, AND THE PEAK HOLDING AMOUNT FROM COLLIN COUNTY ANIMAL SHELTER HAS BEEN ANYWHERE BETWEEN 17-20.

WE'VE OFFERED A SOLUTION WHERE THE CITY IS NOT RUNNING THE ANIMAL SHELTER, BUT WE HAVE A QUALIFIED PRIVATE PARTNER.

DOES THIS SOLUTION SOLVE FOR EVERYTHING? NO, IT DOES NOT, BUT I DON'T THINK ANY SOLUTION DOES.

THIS IS NOT THE PANACEA FOR EVERYTHING.

DOES IT ACCOUNT FOR EVERY WHAT IF SCENARIO? NO, IT DOES NOT.

THERE'S NO SOLUTION THAT CAN ACCOUNT FOR EVERY WHAT IF SCENARIO.

I THINK WHAT WE'VE OFFERED IS A DATA DRIVEN SOLUTION, AND I KNOW WE STILL CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THE MERITS OF THE DATA, BUT I TRUST THE DATA SOURCE, AND I TRUST THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE PROVIDING THE DATA.

WE ARE GETTING OUR DATA FROM OUR CHIEF OF POLICE.

BY GOD, IF WE CAN'T TRUST OUR CHIEF OF POLICE WITH DATA, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHO WE CAN TRUST.

WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THE DATA SAYS TO US THAT WE DO NOT NEED A SHELTERING SOLUTION WE NEED A HOLDING SOLUTION, AND THAT IS WHAT IS BEING OFFERED TONIGHT.

HAVING SAID THAT. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE IS I'M REMINDED OF A STORY WHERE THERE WAS A MAN ON A ROOF.

YOU GUYS HAVE PROBABLY HEARD IT IN CHURCH, WHERE HE WAS LOOKING FOR.

THERE WAS A STORM. IT WAS FLOODING.

HE PRAYED GOD SEND ME SOMETHING, SEND ME A BOAT TO GET ME DOWN.

WELL, SOMEBODY CAME ALONG WITH A RAFT, HE SHOOT THEM OFF.

NO, DON'T WANT TO GET DOWN OFF THE ROOF WITH THAT.

SOMEBODY ELSE CAME ALONG WITH SOMETHING ELSE.

DON'T WANT TO GET DOWN WITH THAT.

HE WAS WAITING ON A VERY SPECIFIC SOLUTION AND ULTIMATELY DROWNED.

WHAT'S THE MORAL OF THE STORY? IS YOU'VE GOT TO CONSIDER OTHER SOLUTIONS.

YOU CAN'T JUST BE FOCUSED ON ONE SOLUTION.

THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO GET WHAT YOU WANT DONE.

FEEL THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING A NUMBER OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU'VE BOUGHT UP OVER THE YEARS, AND I THINK WE ARE MAKING REAL PROGRESS.

HAVING SAID THAT, I DO SUPPORT THE LOI, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I WOULD ASK THAT WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WITH SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, CALL IT A FEASIBILITY STUDY, CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT.

I WANT SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO GIVE US INSIGHT ON SEVERAL THINGS.

WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR MINIMUM WHOLE DAYS ARE EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE PROPOSING FIVE DAYS.

I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT GIVE US INSIGHT ON IS FIVE-DAY MINIMUM HOLD THE EXACT NUMBER THAT WE NEED? I KNOW THE DATA SAYS THAT ON AVERAGE, FRISCO PETS ARE HELD FOUR DAYS AT CCAS.

BUT I WANT TO SEE IF IF THAT'S THE AVERAGE, IF THERE IS A HIGHER END THAT WE CAN LOOK AT FROM A MINIMUM HOLD PERSPECTIVE.

SECOND, I'D LIKE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO GIVE US INSIGHT ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD OFFER FRISCO RESIDENT ONLY OWNER SURRENDER.

I THINK THAT IS A DATA POINT THAT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT GIVE US INSIGHT ON.

THEN FINALLY, I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO LOOK AT WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE FOR NEGOTIATING A BETTER RATE WITH CCAS.

I KNOW THAT 11% OF THE ANIMALS AT CCAS ARE FRISCO ANIMALS.

I WOULD IMAGINE IF WE ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTING THAT NUMBER SIGNIFICANTLY THAT THERE SHOULD BE A REDUCTION IN OUR AGREEMENT.

THOSE ARE THE THREE AREAS THAT I WOULD LOVE FOR STAFF TO CONSIDER IN THIS PROPOSAL, BUT I DO SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE LOI WITH THE CONTINGENCIES THAT WILL HAVE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO LOOK AT AT LEAST THOSE THREE AREAS. THANK YOU.

>> I ECHO SOME OF THE COMMENTS ALREADY MADE.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME, A RESIDENT SINCE 1999 ON COUNCIL FROM 2010-2016, AND BACK AGAIN FROM 2017 TO PRESENT.

THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS HOLD ELECTION.

WORST KEPT SECRET IN FRISCO IS JOHN KEATING GOING TO RUN FOR MAYOR OR NOT? THAT'S CLEARLY PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE NOW, AND THAT'S THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

POLITICS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT INTO THIS BEFORE, CERTAINLY WITH BOND ELECTIONS.

HERE IN THE MOMENT OF DO WE PROCEED WITH AN LOI? DO WE NEED A FEASIBILITY STUDY? I'VE HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS WITH FOLKS ON THIS AND ALL JUST VERY INFORMATIVE.

I WAS ACTUALLY PUTTING ALL MY MATERIALS TOGETHER TODAY IN MY BACKPACK, AND I HAD A MOMENT WHERE I THOUGHT THIS FILE FOLDER IS GETTING THICKER AND THICKER.

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IT REMINDED ME OF THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IN COLLIN COUNTY AND THAT PROCESS.

I KNOW PERFORMING ARTS CENTER HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE AND JUXTAPOSED AGAINST WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

I WOULD OFFER TO PAUSE FOR A MOMENT AND RESET AND FOCUS ON WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TODAY.

AS ANGELIA SAID, WE HAVE SOME DATA, PERHAPS MAYBE NOT ENOUGH, BUT IT'S COMING FROM OUR POLICE CHIEF, AND IT'S COMING FROM OUR ANIMAL SERVICES STAFF WHO'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

IT'S A DIFFERENT CONCEPT FROM THE TRADITIONAL ANIMAL SHELTER.

I THINK COUNSEL HAS GIVEN STAFF DIRECTION THAT WE DON'T WANT A FULL ANIMAL SHELTER.

I THINK IT'S A FAIR ASK TO SAY, WELL, WHAT DOES HAPPEN IF COLLIN COUNTY IS THE ONE WHO CANCELS THE CONTRACT WITH US VERSUS US CANCELING THE CONTRACT WITH THEM? I THINK THAT'S A FAIR ASK.

I KNOW THE MINIMUM HOLD THAT NUMBER OF DAYS HAS BEEN A POINT OF CONTENTION.

I THINK IT WAS CALLED A STAY OF EXECUTION, WHICH WAS A BIT CHILLING, BUT POINT WELL TAKEN.

I THINK, ANGELIA, YOU SPOKE TO THAT.

DISEASE WAS TALKED ABOUT.

THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, IS IT THE RIGHT CAPACITY FOR WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR VERSUS HOW MANY KENNELS WE ACTUALLY GET TO USE? THE ISSUE OF OWNER SURRENDER, VERSUS BEING INTELLECTUALLY HONEST AND JUST SAYING, LOOK, IT'S A AFFLUENT COMMUNITY WITH AFFLUENT NEIGHBORHOODS. SOME OF THEM ARE GATED.

WHAT A WONDERFUL PLACE TO DUMP AN UNWANTED ANIMAL, UNFORTUNATELY.

YOU HAVE TO, I THINK, QUITE HONESTLY, LOOK AND CONSIDER AT HOW DO YOU MANAGE A TRUE OWNER SURRENDER PROGRAM WHERE IT DOESN'T GET OUT OF CONTROL, BALANCE AGAINST DATA ON HOW MANY PETS ARE ACTUALLY BEING ABANDONED IN OUR CITY.

THE RATE CONCEPT WITH CCAS THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP AND HOW THAT HAS ESCALATED OVER THE YEARS, THAT'S A VALID CONCERN.

I DON'T SEE ANY VALUE IN HOLDING THE LOI, I DON'T MEAN TO SAY HOSTAGE, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO HOLD THAT PROCESS UP.

AS THE MAYOR INDICATED, THAT IS THE BEGINNING OF A VERY LONG PROCESS TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE, TO DO OUR FACT FINDING, TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC AND TO PERFORM A FEASIBILITY STUDY IF A FEASIBILITY STUDY IS ACTUALLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

THE PROBLEM IS, WE USE THE TERM FEASIBILITY STUDY VERY LOOSELY, AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS WHEN WE SPEAK TO IT.

DOES IT MEAN THAT WE COMPARE THIS CONCEPT TO A FULL SHELTER? THAT ANY EFFORT TO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY WOULD JUST COME BACK FROM TRADITIONAL CONSULTANTS, WHO WOULD SAY, WELL, YOU JUST DO YOU JUST DO A FULL SHELTER.

WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE LIKE, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, WE'RE FRISCO. WE'RE TRYING TO BE INNOVATIVE.

WE'RE TRYING TO BE FORWARD THINKING, FORWARD LEANING AND HAVE A TRUE NEW INNOVATIVE PLAN THAT ACTUALLY WORKS BASED ON THE DATA WE GET FROM OUR ANIMAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT? I UNDERSTAND HOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FEASIBILITY STUDIES, WE GET PERHAPS STUCK WITH WHAT THAT DEFINITION IS.

I KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T MEAN TO RESTATE, BUT THIS MINIMUM HOLDING, THE DISEASE, THE BUILDING DESIGN CAPACITY, OWNER SURRENDER, THE RATE WITH CCAS, PLUS MANY OTHERS, AND I'M SURE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL SPEAK TO THEIR CONCERNS.

I WOULD OFFER THAT PAST PROCESSES ARE BEST LEFT IN THE PAST, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO LOOK AT THIS AS A NEW OPPORTUNITY.

WE HAVE, AS SOMEONE POINTED OUT EARLIER THIS EVENING, AND I KNOW HE HATES IT WHEN HE'S CALLED A NEW CITY MANAGER, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE HAD A CITY MANAGER FOR 30 SOMETHING YEARS, AND YOU HAVE A NEW ONE, HE STILL GETS STUCK WITH THE TITLE OF BEING NEW.

WE DO HAVE NEW DEPUTY CITY MANAGERS.

WE DO HAVE FOLKS IN NEW STAFF LEADERSHIP POSITIONS.

WE DO HAVE A DIFFERENT COUNCIL MAKEUP.

>> I WOULD OFFER THAT HAVE SOME CONFIDENCE IN WHERE YOU ARE TODAY AND HAVE A CLEAR VISION ON WHERE YOU WANT TO BE IN THE FUTURE, SPECIFICALLY ON THIS PROJECT, I WOULD SAY THAT I'M IN SUPPORT OF APPROVING THE LOI TONIGHT.

I BELIEVE THAT'S OUR ONLY TASK AND MISSION, BUT I WOULD ADD THAT I ALSO AGREE.

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I'LL LEND MY VOICE TO THE NEED FOR DEFINING A FEASIBILITY STUDY AND BRINGING SOME FOCUS TO THAT.

WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, AND IN THE SPIRIT THAT THOSE WOULD BE ANSWERED AND ADDRESSED, AND MADE PUBLIC. THANKS.

>> BURT, GO AHEAD.

>> YOU GO AHEAD.

>> BURT GO. WE'LL LET LAURA.

>> WE'RE GOING DOWN THE LINE.

>> WE'LL TAKE COMMENTS FROM YOU. GO AHEAD.

>> PLEASE, GO DOWN THE LINE.

>> I'M HAS BEEN LAURA'S PROBABLY TO COME TO LET HER HAVE A LAST WORD.

>> YOU WANT TO TALK?

>> SURE.

>> IT'S BEEN MENTIONED MORE THAN ONCE ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IS THIS AND WHO IT IMPACTS.

I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH MYSELF.

I'M NOT SURE IF PEOPLE ARE AWARE, 65% OF AMERICANS OWN A PET.

IT USED TO BE 70%, BUT I THINK BECAUSE AFTER COVID, PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO THAT WAS MY ASSESSMENT, THAT THEY'RE NOT HAVING PETS AS MUCH.

OUT OF THAT 65%, 90% OWN A DOG OR A CAT.

UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T KNOW WHY SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE SNAKES.

IT WAS A PRETTY BIG PERCENTAGE.

[LAUGHTER] I WAS TERRIFIED ABOUT THAT.

OUTSIDE OWNING A CAR AND A HOME, IT IMPACTS PROBABLY MOST OF FRISCO.

THAT'S HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS.

OUT OF THAT, 90% THAT OWN A DOG OR CAT, 97% CONSIDER THEM A PART OF THE FAMILY.

I KNOW I DO. I KNOW EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM WHO HAS ONE PROBABLY DOES TOO.

I DON'T WANT TO MEET THAT 3% THAT DOESN'T.

BUT WE DO HAVE AND I DO WANT TO THANK CHIEF SHILSON.

I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW MUCH WORK HE'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS.

TIRELESSLY. I ALSO AGREE WITH BRIAN, I WOULD PREFER HIM NOT TO BE WORKING ON THIS AND CATCHING BAD GUYS.

>> AND GIRLS.

>> AND GIRLS. [LAUGHTER] I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY MORE IMPORTANT IN SOME WAYS.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO THANK NICOLE FOR STEPPING UP.

I DON'T THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ONE OF HER DESIGNATIONS.

IT'S CALLED A CFA. YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY SMART TO GET THAT.

THERE'S THREE LEVELS. SHE'S A LEVEL ONE, BUT TO GET THAT, YOU HAVE TO BE VERY SMART.

IF SHE HAD JUST HAD 195 DESIGNATIONS INSTEAD OF 194, I MIGHT BE FOR THIS, BUT I'M KIDDING.

OBVIOUSLY, HER CREDENTIALS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

WE DON'T HAVE TO LITIGATE THAT.

SHE SOUNDS AMAZING.

I WONDER IF SHE CAN FIX MY NOSE.

APPARENTLY, SHE'S A NOSE EXPERT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.

BUT WHEN THE CITIZENS OF FRISCO ELECTED ME FOR THIS OFFICE, I TOLD THEM, I WAS GOING TO LOOK AT EVERY DIME THAT WE SPEND.

THIS PROJECT IS EXPENSIVE.

IT'S $13 MILLION.

THEN ONE OF THE RESIDENTS JUST SAID, IT'S UP TO 50, 60, 70 MILLION IN A FEW YEARS.

I'M NOT SAYING NO TO THIS.

I'M JUST SAYING, LET'S PAUSE, GET SOME EXPERTS THAT ARE INDEPENDENT THAT CAN TELL US, THEY MAY SAY, WE ONLY NEED A $6 MILLION FACILITY.

THEY MAY SAY, WE NEED A 20 MILLION.

I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT AN EXPERT.

I JUST PLAY ONE ON TELEVISION.

I THINK WE JUST NEED TO PAUSE.

I KNOW MY FEELING IS WE NEED TO PAUSE.

I'M NOT SAYING NO.

THE PEOPLE SAY, HE SAID, NO, I'M NOT SAYING NO.

I JUST THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA BEFORE WE CAN SAY, YES.

BECAUSE WE JUST HAD TO SAVE THE MAIN PEOPLE HERE, AND THEY'VE BEEN STRUGGLING.

IT WAS MENTIONED TO ME, WE'RE SPENDING 13 MILLION HERE.

WHAT ABOUT THOSE FOLKS? OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE COULD BE DOING.

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THERE COULD BE WHAT COUNCILMAN KEATING JUST SAID, CCAS MAY COME TO US BECAUSE ONE OF THE RESIDENTS JUST SAID, IT'S TIME FOR US TO STEP UP.

THEY MAY CANCEL THE CONTRACT, SAID, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN.

WHAT DO WE DO THEN? I THINK IT'S JUST PRUDENT.

ONCE WE GET THAT STUDY IN, WE CAN PRESENT IT, THEN EVERYONE CAN FEEL CONFIDENT.

IF IT WORKS, GREAT.

I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE I PROMISE.

I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE IN LINE TO WELCOME ALL THE PETS THAT NEED HELP AND ALL THE RESIDENTS AND SAY, WE TOOK THE TIME, THE EFFORT, WE STUDIED IT.

I CAN SAY WITH A LOT OF CONFIDENCE BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

I DON'T WANT TO GET IT WRONG.

I CAN ASSURE YOU, I WAS JUST IN A MEETING EARLIER WHERE WE'RE DOING A STUDY TO COMPARE ONE WAY OF DOING, I DON'T THINK I CAN SAY WHAT IT IS.

ONE WAY OF DOING THING VERSUS ANOTHER.

WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING A STUDY.

TO SEE WHICH ONE IS MORE BENEFICIAL.

I GET IT. THAT'S WHERE I STAND. I'M NOT SAYING NO.

I JUST WANT TO DELAY IT UNTIL WE CAN GET THE PROPER DATA BECAUSE I'VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS, A LOT.

THAT'S WHERE I STAND. THANK YOU.

>> WELL, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. THIS IS A VERY SPIRITED DISCUSSION.

I THINK THE FRAMING OF THIS ISSUE IS TAKING A I'D LIKE TO CALL IT A SKEW DIVERGENT TURN.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE CITY STAFF AND THEIR DATA VERSUS US NOT TRUSTING THEIR DATA.

IN FACT, IT'S QUITE THE OPPOSITE.

I'M A COMMISSIONING ENGINEER.

WHAT THAT BASICALLY MEANS IS, WHEN DATA CENTERS GET BUILT, I GO AROUND AND WORK WITH TEAMS OF MECHANICAL AND ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS TO TRUST BUT VERIFY.

THAT IS MY JOB. I MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS BUILT THE WAY IT IS, AND WE RELY ON INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTIES TO COME IN BECAUSE WE HAVE A SAYING, YOU CAN'T TRUST THE FOX IN THE HENHOUSE.

I'M NOT CALLING ANYBODY IN OUR CITY OF FOX, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S THAT NOTION OF TRUST BUT VERIFY USING AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY.

I THINK IT'S JUST AS SPECIOUS OF AN ARGUMENT TO MAKE TO SAY THAT THERE IS NO DESIRE FOR AN ANIMAL SHELTER AS THERE IS TO SAY THAT THERE IS NOTHING BUT A DESIRE FOR AN ANIMAL SHELTER.

I THINK THE TRUTH LIES SOMEWHERE MUCH IN BETWEEN, LIKE MOST ISSUES THAT END UP GETTING POLITICIZED.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO ACTUALLY AVOID.

PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP THE ARTS CENTER.

THERE WAS A FEASIBILITY STUDY DONE.

I THINK KIMLEY AND HORN DID IT.

IT WAS $1 MILLION THAT WAS SPENT. WE HEARD THAT EARLIER.

RIGHT NOW, IN FACT, WITH LESS AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S LEFT IN THE BOND THAN THE ACTUAL FUNDING OF THIS, AND THAT'S AN ART CENTER BOND THAT'S ACTUALLY MAKING MONEY. GO FIGURE.

THERE IS A DESIRE BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY GO GET A FEASIBILITY STUDY, [LAUGHTER] THOUGH, TO SEE WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SPENDING IT ON.

THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS IS, ALSO, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WAS THE INITIAL DESIRE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THOSE WERE NOT DISCUSSIONS THAT I WAS PART OF.

IN A SENSE, BOTH MYSELF AND COUNCILMAN ELAD, WE HAVE A DAY ONE MINDSET.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS WITH COMPLETELY FRESH EYES.

WHILE THAT MIGHT BRING SOME UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTIONS UP TO BEAR, THIS IS NOT ANYWHERE AN INDICTMENT ON THE CITY STAFF AND THE HARD WORK THEY'VE DONE, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THIS FACILITY HAS INCREDIBLE MERITS.

OR TO MISS KOHANSKI, WHO I GOT TO TELL YOU, I'VE BEEN SINGING YOUR PRAISES NONSTOP, AND I LOOKED UP YOUR CERTIFICATIONS, AND I SAW WHAT KIND OF A RAREFIED AIR YOU BRING, PHDS, STAFF THAT CAN REPLACE YOU AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE.

YOU ARE SOMEONE WHO CARES, CARES DEEPLY.

I ARGUE YOU'D BE OFFENDED IF I DIDN'T CARE JUST AS DEEPLY TO ENSURE.

EVERYONE HAS A STORY ABOUT ANIMALS, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, MISS KOHANSKI.

MY KALI AND YOUR WIGGLEBT, WOULD HAVE BEEN BEST FRIENDS.

KALI SAVED MY LIFE. I HAD PTSD.

I WAS ANGRY UNTIL I GOT THIS LITTLE SIX WEEK OLD BALL OF FLUFF WHITE GERMAN SHEPHERD WHO TRIED TO TALK.

FAILED MISERABLY ALL THE TIME.

I STILL HAVE PIECES OF HIS FUR THAT I FIND YEARS AND YEARS LATER.

THIS IS SO DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER DEALS.

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I HEARD FROM ONE OF THE ELECTED MEMBERS THAT, THIS IS AN EASY DEAL. IT'S NOT.

I CONTEND THAT THE PERFORMING ART CENTER WAS WAY EASIER THAN THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT PETS.

THIS IS ABOUT A LASTING IMPRESSION THAT WE WILL NOT ONLY HAVE FOR US, BUT FOR OUR PROGENY.

YESTERDAY, WE HEARD MANY ARGUMENTS IN FAVOR OF AND SOME MILDLY IN FAVOR OF AND SOME COMPLETELY AGAINST THIS PROPOSED MODEL.

WHAT THAT SHOWED ME WAS A DESIRE BY SO MANY PEOPLE TO GET THIS DONE RIGHT.

I'LL LET YOU IN ON A SECRET.

WE'RE NEVER GOING TO FIND 100% PERFECT, AND WE SHOULDN'T SACRIFICE THE 80% GOOD FOR 100% PERFECT, OKAY? AT THE SAME TIME, WE OWE IT TO ALL OF US BECAUSE THIS IS A CAPITAL INVESTMENT PROJECT OVER $10 MILLION.

CHARITY LAT JUST BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT HEY, WE HAVE $13 MILLION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING? WE HAVE BUSINESSES, ET CETERA.

WHILE I WAS ADVISED BY COUNCIL MEMBER NOT TO CONFLATE ISSUES.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE REALITY IS WE HAVE MULTIPLE ISSUES AT THE SAME TIME THAT ARE GOING TO BE DRAWING FROM SIMILAR POOLS OF MONEY AT THE END OF THE DAY, OPERATING COSTS OR OPERATING COSTS.

TO ME, A QUESTION THAT HAS BEEN ASKED BY JOHN IS, WHAT IS A FEASIBILITY STUDY? WHAT IS IT GOING TO PROVIDE? WHAT ARE THE ANSWERS THAT IT'S GOING TO GIVE THAT ARE PASSED 128 QUESTIONS THAT THE STAFFS WERE SO DILIGENTLY TO ANSWER AND YESTERDAY.

IF EVERYBODY RECALLS, I WAS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY PUSHED FOR US TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A PUBLIC INPUT BEFORE WE VOTED ON THE LOI.

THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY, AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE GOT TO SPEAK IS BECAUSE OF THAT.

ANOTHER ISSUE THAT GOT BROUGHT UP IS THAT MOST OF THE QUESTIONS WERE ASKED BY 15 INDIVIDUALS THAT REPRESENTED OVER 85% OF THE QUESTIONS GIVE OR TAKE.

THE CHALLENGE IN THAT NOTION IS NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE SAMPLE SIZE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKING QUESTIONS.

THERE ARE 42 PRECINCT CHAIRS BETWEEN COLLIN AND DENTON COUNTY, AND THEY SPEAK FOR AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.

THOSE 15 PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKING QUESTIONS REPRESENT THE PINNACLE OF AN ICEBERG THAT IS UNDERNEATH OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT PETS.

THEY'RE JUST GETTING FILTERED UP BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING CHOSEN AS THE VOX POPULAR.

TO ME, WHAT SHOULD THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY ANSWER? NUMBER 1, IT SHOULD DOCUMENT DEMAND ANALYSIS.

WHAT ARE THE ANIMAL INTAKE PROJECTIONS, REGIONAL NEEDS, RESCUE PARTNER CAPACITY? INDEPENDENT BENEFIT, COST BENEFITS REVIEW.

CAPITAL VERSUS OPERATIONAL SUSTAINABILITY, ALTERNATIVE SCENARIOS, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, JOINT COUNTY FACILITY, SATELLITE MODEL, WHATEVER, BUT ALSO SHOULD GAUGE A SENSE OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AS WELL.

BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE PROFFERING, AT TIMES, OR AT LEAST THAT IS THE PERCEPTION BINARY CHOICES.

SOMETIMES IT'S WHAT I DO WITH MY WIFE.

HONEY, WHAT DO YOU WANT FOR DINNER? I WAS THINKING INDIAN OR CHINESE.

THAT'S REALLY [LAUGHTER] NOT A CHOICE.

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED.

I'M GIVING HER TWO CHOICES.

SORRY, HONEY, THE TRICKS OUT OF THE BAG.

[LAUGHTER] BUT WE CAN ALSO GATHER BASELINE DATA THAT WE DO NOT HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS THE OTHER THING THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING IS THAT NO ANIMAL SHELTERS WORK.

I SUPPOSE WE GET EXACTLY WHAT WE INTERROGATE FOR.

IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR THINGS THAT DON'T WORK, WE'RE GOING TO FIND IT, IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR THINGS THAT WORK, WE'RE GOING TO FIND IT.

WHEN IT CAME TO THE PERFORMING ART CENTER, WE FOUND ONE [LAUGHTER] OR TWO EXAMPLES OF ART CENTERS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT WORKED AND DISREGARDED MANY ART CENTERS THAT DID NOT WORK IN ORDER TO CREATE A NEW MODEL.

IN THE SAME VEIN, LET'S FIND OUT WHAT IS WORKING VERSUS WHAT IS NOT WORKING AND HAVE THAT PROJECTED ON.

MISS KOHANSKI, IF WE DO END UP GOING FORWARD WITH YOUR LOI, YOU HAVE THAT DATA SET WITH YOU THAT, ALTHOUGH THE CITY STAFF MIGHT HAVE ALREADY DELIVERED, THERE'S AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY VALIDATING IT.

ANOTHER THING IS, WE SHOULD ALSO EVALUATE AN EXIT STRATEGY THAT IS CONCRETE.

RIGHT NOW, THE WAY I SEE IT, AND I UNDERSTAND, THIS IS ALL THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MARKED OUT IN THE LOI, ET CETERA.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT.

THESE ARE, WHILE THEY ARE NOT BINDING, I UNDERSTAND, THEY ARE PREPARING YOU, MISS KOHANSKI, TO RADICALLY TERRAFORM YOUR LIFE, NOT TRANSFORM IT, RADICALLY TERRAFORM IT.

YOU NEED TO ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE EXIT STRATEGIES COULD LOOK LIKE IF WE DO END UP PARTING WAYS.

THE THIRD THING IS, THE TEST SITE CAPACITY FOR EXPANSION SHOULD BE DONE INDEPENDENTLY.

MUCH TO COUNCILMAN LIVINGSTON'S POINT, WHILE, CHIEF SHILSON, YOU ARE AWESOME, OKAY?

>> THE THING IS, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN ELIAD THAT YOU SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT HOW TO TURN FRISCO INTO A PLACE WHERE WE DON'T NEED POLICE.

ISN'T THAT THE DESIRE OF EVERY POLICE FORCE IS TO

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FIGURE OUT HOW TO CREATE SAFETY IN THAT FORMAT.

HAVING AN ANIMAL SHELTER OR AN ANIMAL HOLDING FACILITY, OR THESE THINGS UNDERNEATH YOU IS TAKING TIME AND LEVEL OF EFFORT AND RESOURCES AWAY FROM YOU.

AND WHILE I RESPECT THE HECK OUT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING, AND THE DATA YOU'RE PROVIDING, NONE OF US HERE ARE EXPERTS IN THE ANIMAL SHELTER ANIMAL FACILITY WORLD.

ONE THING THAT I ALSO WOULD LIKE US TO DO IS WE RECOMMEND VIA THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY, DIFFERENT FUNDING MODELS.

ONE THING IS IS THAT THIS CURRENT FUNDING MODEL INVOLVES $13 MILLION FROM THE CDC.

YET, RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE AND HAVE NOT BEEN PRESENTED OTHER FUNDING MODELS AS WELL.

I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME INDEPENDENT STUDIES ON THAT JUST TO SEE IT, BECAUSE TO COUNCILMAN ELIAD'S POINT, IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER? IS IT MORE? IS IT LESS? YESTERDAY I HEARD FROM A PERSON WHO WAS SPEAKING THAT THE COST OF DOG FOOD HAS GONE UP BY OVER 57% IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.

THE COST OF MEDICAL EQUIPMENT HAS GONE UP.

THE COST OF SERVICES AND GOODS HAVE GONE UP.

BECAUSE OF TARIFFS, WE MIGHT BE ASSOCIATED WITH CERTAIN THINGS THAT I AM COMPLETELY AND KNOW.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THESE, AND THIS COULD BE DONE WITHIN 60-90 DAYS.

LOOK, A THIRD PARTY FEASIBILITY STUDY TO ME IS NOT ABOUT SLOWING DOWN PROGRESS.

ACTUALLY, IT'S ABOUT ENSURING THAT TAXPAYER MONEY IS USED WISELY.

BEFORE WE COMMIT $13 MILLION, WE OWE THE RESIDENTS THIS.

FUNDAMENTALLY, TRANSPARENCY IS SOMETHING THAT MANY RESIDENTS, AND I WILL BE USING THAT SPECIOUS ARGUMENT BECAUSE MY SAMPLE SET IS BETWEEN 5-6,000 PEOPLE ON WHOSE DOORS I KNOCKED ON.

THERE IS A GROWING SENTIMENT THAT OUR CITY COUNCIL IS NOT TRANSPARENT.

PERHAPS IN SOME WAYS, THAT IS WHY I'M BEING SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS IS TO BRING THAT TRANSPARENCY.

THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY TO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY, TO LINE OUT SOME OF THOSE METRICS THAT I JUST SPOKE ABOUT DOESN'T OBFUSCATE OR DELAY THE DEAL.

IT ENGENDERS TRUST. IN FACT, IT DOUBLES DOWN ON THE FACT THAT OUR DATA IS THE OPTIMUM DATA, AND IS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM GOLD TIER.

THAT WAY, ARGUMENTS THAT ARE MADE BY PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE THAT DATA, WE NOW AT LEAST HAVE A BURDEN OF PROOF THAT WE CAN USE AND SAY, HEY, IT'S BEEN INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED.

THIS IS A GOOD DEAL, AND IT ALSO PROTECTS YOU, THE PRIVATE PARTNER, FROM ENTERING INTO AN LOI THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT YOU'RE GETTING YOURSELF INTO FULLY.

FOR ME, I AM REQUESTING THAT WE RECONSIDER AND WE REVALIDATE VIA AN OUTSIDE INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY, NOT FROM THE CITY.

TO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY BECAUSE ULTIMATELY OUR STAFF RESEARCH IS STRONG, AND I WANT THAT STRENGTH TO BE COMMUNICATED, SO IT'S VALIDATED, NOT CONTRADICTED.

THIS VALIDATION, NOT ONLY WILL BUILD TRUST IN THE COUNCIL FOR THIS PROJECT AND FUTURE PROJECTS, BUT ULTIMATELY, IT'LL CREATE A FACILITY FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD THIS FOR, WHICH IS FOR FAMILY MEMBERS TO BE REUNITED WITH THEIR FAMILY AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ANIMALS WHO DON'T HAVE A VOICE FROM FOUR LEGGED FURRY FRIENDS TO GENTLEMAN'S TEGU OUT THERE THAT THEY COULD GET THE LOVE THAT THEY NEED.

WE'RE ABOUT TO ECLIPSE 250,000 PEOPLE.

RIGHT NOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

LET'S NOT BE CAVALIER.

LIKE SOME OF YOU SAID, WE DON'T NEED THIS.

WELL, IF WE DON'T NEED THIS, WHAT ARE WE DOING? OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED THIS.

MY RECOMMENDATION IS, WE DO NOT MOVE IMMEDIATELY ON IT.

WE TABLE THIS, GET THE FEASIBILITY STUDY DONE, PUT A DEADLINE OF 60-90 DAYS MAXIMUM ON THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY.

COME BACK AND VOTE ON THIS.

>> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO WRAP THIS UP.

I WANT TO CENTER US BACK ONTO WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY VOTING ON TONIGHT.

NOT THE FINAL AGREEMENT, WHICH IS WILL COME, MANY MONTHS LATER.

NOT THE FINAL SOPS, NOT THE FINAL TERMINATION AGREEMENT, NOT THE LONG TERM PLANNING.

THAT IS ALL WHAT IS COMING NEXT.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE WANT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.

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THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO PUT THE LOI IN PLACE.

I HAVE HAD THE BENEFIT OF HAVING MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH NICOLE.

I KNOW THE LIST OF EXPERTS THAT SHE HAS WAITING IN THE WING TO BRING FORWARD THE SUGGESTIONS OF THE SOPS FOR THE ACTUAL FACILITY ITSELF, HOW TO HANDLE CLEANING PROCEDURES TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T CROSS CONTAMINATE.

WE'VE GOT A CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER FROM ONE OF THE MOST PREMIER INSTITUTIONS THAT IS WILLING AND READY TO HELP.

THERE IS SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WE CAN START REALLY DIVING INTO THIS OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW WE GET THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK WITHOUT DOING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO COST THE TAXPAYER MONEY.

I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BRILLIANT THING ABOUT THIS STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.

AGAIN, CONSIDERING, THIS COULD STILL CHANGE.

BUT WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING IS DOING SOMETHING WITH CDC FUNDS THAT WE PAY OUT IN CASH, AND THEN WE GET SERVICES BACK FOR THAT.

THERE'S NO M&O FOR THAT, THERE'S NO PROPERTY TAXES.

THE COST THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING WAS IF WE DID BUILD A SHELTER OURSELVES AND WE DID MAINTAIN IT OURSELVES.

THOSE ARE COSTS WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.

WE DON'T WANT TO INCREASE PROPERTY TAXES.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE'VE STRUCTURED IT THIS WAY.

AGAIN, THAT STRUCTURE IS NOT FINAL.

THE ONLY THING THAT WE ARE VOTING ON TODAY IS THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.

WE WANT TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD TO DO THE THINGS LIKE CONFIRMING WHAT DOES THE CAPACITY LOOK LIKE? I THINK WE PROBABLY CONCERNED EVERYBODY WHEN WE SHOWED THE CONCEPTS, BUT THOSE WEREN'T FINAL.

THE KENNEL SIZE IS NOT NECESSARILY FINAL.

WE NEED AN EXPERT TO COME IN AND HELP US TO DESIGN THAT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

THE DATA THAT WE HAVE, WHILE I AM CONFIDENT IN THE DATA THAT WE'VE GIVEN, WE CAN MAKE IT TRANSPARENT AND SAY EXACTLY WHERE WE GOT THIS INFORMATION.

WE GOT IT FROM COLLIN COUNTY.

THAT'S PI [INAUDIBLE].

THAT IS INFORMATION THAT WE CAN GIVE AND SHARE SPECIFICALLY WITH HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS ALL ALONG THE WAY.

IN THE 29 PAGES OF QUESTIONS THAT WE GOT, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS WE CAN'T ANSWER YET.

I WANT ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS, TOO.

I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

MAYOR CHENEY MENTIONED THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO DIVE INTO BITS AND PIECES OF THIS.

I'M PROBABLY GOING TO DIVE INTO ALL OF IT, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I TRULY CARE ABOUT, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE CAN MAKE AN INCREDIBLE IMPACT WITH THAT CAN HAVE A REGIONAL IMPACT.

IF WE ARE TAKING LESS ANIMALS TO COLLIN COUNTY, THAT MEANS LESS ANIMALS ARE GETTING EUTHANIZED THERE.

IF WE ARE KEEPING THE ANIMALS HERE WITHIN FRISCO, ONE THAT HELPS TO PREVENT DISEASES THAT WE SEE SOMETIMES AT SHELTERS, AND WE'RE PUTTING THINGS IN PLACE WHERE WE CAN RUN MORE VERY COOL PROGRAMMING.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST DOING POP UP CLINICS FOR MICROCHIPS AND VACCINATIONS.

WE COULD DO THOSE MORE REGULARLY IF WE'VE GOT THE FUNDING, AND WE CAN GO OUT FOR GRANTS FOR THAT, WHEN WE HAVE FACILITIES THAT CAN DO THAT.

THERE'S SO MANY INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS THAT CAN HAVE A LASTING IMPACT ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO HERE IN FRISCO.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE JUST ASKING, DO WE WANT TO DO THIS? WE'RE ASKING, DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FINDING SOMETHING THAT WILL INCREASE OUR CITY SERVICES TO THE CITY OF FRISCO.

I THINK EVERYBODY, WHO'S AN ANIMAL ADVOCATE WANTS INCREASED CITY SERVICES AND INCREASED SUPPORT FOR OUR ANIMALS.

I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT.

I AM HOPING THAT WE GROUND OURSELVES ON TONIGHT IS THE FACT THAT THIS IS THE STARTING GATE.

THIS IS NOT THE FINISH.

THIS IS NOT THE END OF THE CONVERSATION.

THIS IS THE VERY BEGINNING.

YOU HAVE MY COMMITMENT THAT WE WILL KEEP IT TRANSPARENT ALONG THE WAY.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I DEEPLY CARE ABOUT AND WANT TO SEE COME TO FRUITION AND WANT TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY GOING TO IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY.

WITH THAT, GROUNDING ON AGAIN THAT THIS IS JUST A LETTER OF INTENT TONIGHT WITH THE PARAGRAPH THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE LOI KNOWING THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT BEHIND THAT TO GET US TO THE FINAL AGREEMENT, WHICH WE ARE NOT DOING TONIGHT.

WE ARE ONLY DOING AN LOI.

>> A MOTION BY LAURA?

>> HEY, MAYOR. IF I MAY.

EVERYBODY WAS GIVEN TIME TO SPEAK AND YOU DIDN'T OPEN THE FLOOR TO MAKE MOTIONS?

>> LAURA'S MADE A MOTION.

>> WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO NOW. SECOND.

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>> SECOND BY ANGELIA. IN FAVOR?

>> NAY.