Oct 21, 2025 City Council

>> PASSES 5: 0. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, MOVE TO CLOSE. MOTION BY JOHN.

>> SECOND BY LAURA ON FAVOR.

>> WE DO HAVE ONE BLUE CARD THAT WAS TO PUT IN SUPPORT OF THIS, BUT DID NOT WISH TO SPEAK.

>> PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

COUNCIL, WHAT QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS DO YOU HAVE?

>> YES, JUST ONE.

JUST ONCE AGAIN, TO CLARIFY, ANY EXISTING BUSINESS THE WAY THAT THIS READS IS THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO CONTINUE EXISTING FOR SIX MONTHS.

THERE CAN'T BE A LAPSE OF SIX MONTHS JUST HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, BUSINESS X, WHICH IS NON CONFORMING, OPERATES FOR ONE MONTH.

TAKES FIVE MONTHS AND 29 DAYS OF A DAY, OPEN ONCE AGAIN FOR TWO DAYS, AND THEN THEY GO OFF.

I ALWAYS THINK OF THE WORST CASE SCENARIO BECAUSE THAT'S THE EDGES OF AL.

>> SIX MONTHS OF CONTINUED CEASE OF OPERATIONS.

>> IS THAT SIX MONTHS LIKE BUSINESS DAYS? IS THAT SIX MONTHS AS IN MONTHS?

>> SIX MONTHS.

>> SIX.

>> SIX MONTHS OF CALENDAR DAYS.

HOW WOULD A BUSINESS BE ABLE TO PROVE THAT IF THAT'S OKAY FOR THE CITY? HAVE WE THOUGHT THAT FAR OUT?

>> THE BUSINESS WOULDN'T HAVE TO PROVE IT.

IT WOULD BE THE CITY'S BURDEN.

>> IT WOULD BE THE CITY'S BURDEN TO PROVE IT.

>> JOHN, YOU MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, THAT'S A STATE LAW.

THAT'S NOT A FRISCO LAW, CORRECT?

>> THAT'S BEEN DECIDED BY THE COURTS, AND SO IF A BUSINESS CLOSES, WE'LL RESEARCH IT, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CLOSED THOSE SIX MONTHS, SO IT'S A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS.

>> I'LL JUST SAY THAT I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD WAY OF KEEPING THE TENOR OF DOWNTOWN, BUT ALSO WE SHOULD BE MINDFUL OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE OPERATING ALREADY AND GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO OPERATE AS WELL.

>> ONE THING TO MENTION IN THIS THAT CHANGED PER THE STATE LAW THAT RYAN PITTMAN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION FROM THE 23 LEGISLATURE.

ANY OF THE POTENTIAL USES THAT WOULD BE NON-CONFORMING, WE HAD TO SEND POSTCARDS TO THEM WITH THE STATE REQUIRED WORDING, WHICH CREATED FRICTION BECAUSE IT CAME ACROSS AS GOVERNMENT OVERHAND HARD REACH.

CHRIS DID A GOOD JOB OF GOING BACK OUT AGAIN, MEETING WITH THE DIFFERENT GROUPS, DISCUSSING IT, AND THEN ACTUALLY HAD ONE MORE MEETING, AND HE LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT ATTENDED THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THAT WERE IN OPPOSITION TO ATTEND.

ONLY ONE PERSON SHOWED UP.

JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, PNC DID APPROVE THIS UNANIMOUSLY.

>> EXCELLENT WORK, CHRIS, MR. LETLER, AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PNC BOARD.

>> IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> THERE YOU GO.

>> THERE IS A STATUTE.

ACTUALLY, THERE'S A COUPLE OF STATUTES TO DEAL WITH NON CONFORMING USES.

WE'D HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT STATUTE IN ORDER TO TERMINATE A NONCONFORMING USE.

>> YES, SIR.

>> COUNSEL, THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I'LL LIKE FOR A MOTION.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 28.

>> MOTION ADJOURN. SECOND BY BERT. ALL IN FAVOR.

>> THAT PASSES 50. ITEM 29 IS A PUBLIC HEARING A REQUEST TO REPEAL

[Public Hearing: A request to repeal Ordinance No. 18-10-56 consisting of 80.1± acres on the southwest corner of Mahard Parkway and University Drive (US 380) (“Property”), to amend the Zoning Ordinance (Ordinance No. 11-04-09, as amended), to rezone the Property as Planned Development-271-Office-2/Retail/Residential, and to consider to direct Staff to prepare an Ordinance of the same. Zoned Planned Development-271-Office-2/Retail/Residential. Neighborhood #53. Zoning Case No. Z24-0002. Applicant: LMIF Real Estate, LLC. Tabled 08/05/2025, 09/02/2025, and 09/16/2025. (Development Services/JH)]

ORDINANCE NUMBER 18-10566 CONSISTING OF 80.1 ACRES ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF MAYOR PARKWAY AND UNIVERSITY DRIVE.

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TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 1104-09 AS AMENDED TO REZONE THE PROPERTY AS PLAN DEVELOPMENT 271 OFFICE TWO RETAIL RESIDENTIAL, AND TO CONSIDER TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE OF THE SAME, ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT 271 OFFICE TWO RETAIL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 53 ZONING CASE NUMBER Z 24-0002 APPLICANT IS LMIF REAL ESTATE.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNSEL, JONATHAN HUBBARD, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

I WOULD FIRST ASK FOR A MOTION TO REMOVE THE ITEM FROM THE TABLE.

>> MOVED. SECOND BY JOHN.

>> SECOND BY LAURA. ON FAVOR.

>> PASSES 50. ITEM HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE TABLE.

>> THANK YOU ALL. BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS A REQUEST TO REZONE THE PROPERTY SHOWN HERE TO A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE A NEW MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PROPERTY, THAT WILL COMPLEMENT OTHER RECENTLY APPROVED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A MAXIMUM OF 700 URBAN LIVING UNITS WITHIN THESE TWO BUILDINGS HERE.

I GUESS I CAN'T DRAW ON THIS.

6C AND 7C.

EACH OF THOSE BUILDINGS WILL BE A MINIMUM OF SEVEN STORIES IN HEIGHT, WILL CONTAIN 100% STRUCTURED PARKING, AND WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OF TOP ONE OR TOP TWO CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS CONCRETE AND STEEL.

THOSE 700 URBAN LIVING UNITS, THAT'S ABOUT 500 UNITS LESS THAN WHAT'S ENTITLED ON THE PROPERTY TODAY.

THE 2018 PD THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY TODAY ENTITLES 1,200 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

IN ADDITION TO THE 700 URBAN LIVING UNITS, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A MAXIMUM OF 74 INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED TOWN HOME LOTS IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.

TO RECAP, YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 774 RESIDENTIAL UNITS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANTS, WHICH IS LESS THAN THE 1,200 UNITS THAT ARE ENTITLED.

ON THE PROPERTY TODAY.

ALL OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, OR I GUESS I SHOULD SAY, THE 700 URBAN LIVING UNITS WILL BE TIED TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

ONE OF THOSE URBAN LIVING BUILDINGS WILL BE TIED TO ALL OF THE OFFICE BUILDINGS AND PARKING GARAGES IN PHASE 3.

THE OTHER URBAN LIVING BUILDING WILL BE TIED TO BOTH OF THE OFFICE BUILDINGS AND THE PARKING GARAGES IN PHASE 2.

SEEING ON THE EXHIBIT HERE, ONE PHASE FOUR BUILDING IS TIED TO EVERYTHING IN PHASE 3.

THE OTHER PHASE 4 BUILDING IS TIED TO EVERYTHING IN PHASE 2.

NO CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES FOR ANY OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UNTIL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR ALL OF THE OFFICE AND ALL OF THE PARKING GARAGES.

LOOKING AT THE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT IN PHASE 1A AND 1D.

WHEN THIS WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THEY DID NOT WANT TO SEE A BUNCH OF SINGLE STORY RETAIL BUILDINGS SURROUNDED BY SURFACE PARKING, AND THEY WANTED TO SEE VARIED HEIGHTS IN THE BUILDINGS.

THEY WANTED POTENTIAL FOR VIEWING OPPORTUNITIES ONTO THE OPEN SPACE THAT RUNS THROUGH THEIR OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUTDOOR DINING.

YOU HAVE THREE PODS LISTED ON OR SHOWN ON THIS EXHIBIT HERE.

WITHIN EACH POD, TWO OF THE BUILDINGS WILL EITHER BE REQUIRED TO BE A MINIMUM OF TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT OR HAVE TO HAVE A ROOFTOP BALCONY OR TERRACE.

TWO OF THE BUILDINGS IN POD 1, TWO OF THE BUILDINGS IN POD 2, AND TWO OF THE BUILDINGS IN POD 3 WILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET WITH THAT REQUIREMENT.

THE APPLICANT IS MEETING THE MINIMUM 10% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT SET FORWARD FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

ALL OF THAT OPEN SPACE WILL BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE DETAILED OPEN SPACE PLANS THAT ARE SHOWN HERE AND WILL BE TIED IN THE EXHIBIT.

THIS REQUEST DOES CONFORM TO THE CITY'S FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

YOU DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> COUNSEL, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> MOVE TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. MOTION BY JOHN.

>> SECOND BY LAURA IN FAVOR.

>> S IS 50. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

IS THERE ANYONE SPEAK ON THE SIDE?

>> THE APPLICANT HERE.

THANK YOU, JONATHAN MAYOR COUNSEL, JAKE PETS, 27 74 BANDEER LANE, FRISCO, TEXAS.

THANK YOU, EVERYONE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH YOU TONIGHT.

THANK YOU, MR. LEE, FOR A WONDERFUL TIME.

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I ENJOY EVERY OPPORTUNITY.

I GET TO COME TO COUNSEL AND LISTEN TO YOU SPEAK. IT'S AN HONOR. THANK YOU.

CONGRATS DONNA ON ALL YOUR COUNSEL MEETINGS. I'LL BE REALLY BRIEF.

JONATHAN DID AN EXCELLENT JOB EXPLAINING THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF THIS PROJECT.

TO SUM UP ONE CONCERN THAT CAME FROM OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING.

AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, THERE WAS UNDESIRABLE LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE THAT WENT INTO EFFECT ON SEPTEMBER 1.

I'M REALLY PROUD TO SAY THAT THROUGH SOME REALLY CREATIVE THOUGHT, HARD WORK BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, MR. PITTMAN, AND OUR TEAM, WE CAME UP WITH A REALLY CREATIVE OPTION TO ENSURE THAT THAT LEGISLATION ISN'T GOING TO IMPACT AT A MINIMUM THIS PROPERTY IN PERPETUITY.

IN ADDITION, I THINK WHAT COUNCIL, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND OTHER STUDY LEADERSHIP HAS DONE AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCES TO HELP COMBAT THAT, I THINK IS A WONDERFUL EFFORT, AND I COMMEND ALL OF YOU.

THIS HAS BEEN A PROJECT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR TWO YEARS.

MR. CONDRA IS HERE, WHO IS OUR PROPERTY OWNER.

IN ADDITION, I'VE GOT THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING MEETING EVERY WEEK ON THIS FOR TWO YEARS NOW.

I CAN TELL YOU, DEVELOPING REAL ESTATE IS ACTUALLY REALLY HARD.

DEVELOPING IN FRISCO IS AN INCREDIBLY HARD.

THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING.

THAT'S A TESTAMENT TO HOW GREAT OUR CITY IS.

JOHN LETTLLEIR, I CONSIDER A FRIEND, A MENTOR AND OTHER THINGS.

BUT HE IS VERY, VERY GOOD AT PUSHING US TO THE BRINK OF WHAT HE KNOWS WILL BE A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT, BUT ALSO THE BEST THING FOR CITY OF FRISCO RESIDENTS.

I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW PROUD I AM ON WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.

I THINK IT'LL BE A WONDERFUL PROJECT TO COMPLIMENT NORTH FRISCO AND ALL THE HARD WORK THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO NORTH FRISCO AND THE DESIGN, AND I THINK THIS COMPLIMENTS IT VERY WELL.

BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING CITIZEN INPUT?

>> SEEING NONE, MOVE TO CLOSE.

>> MOTION BY JOHN.

>> SECOND BY LAURA. ALL IN FAVOR?

WE'VE TABLED THIS A FEW ITEMS. ONE THING I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE MENTIONED IS, WHEN P&Z AND COUNSEL REVIEWS ZONING CASES, WE REVIEW THEM IN TOTALITY.

>> MOTION PASSES 50.

APPRECIATE STAFF'S WORK.

WE DON'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT IS PROMISED IS DELIVERED, AND QUALITY IS BUILT HERE, IN THE CITY OF FRISCO.

CERTAINLY COUNSEL USES THE RIGHTS BEFORE THEM TO REVIEW ZONING CASES IN THEIR TOTALITY.

WITH THAT, I'D SAY THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT, I THINK, DONE WITH ZONING SPECIFICALLY, A FEW NEW STRATEGIES AS FAR AS PHASING IN THAN MAYBE WE'VE USED BEFORE, WHICH IS GOOD.

FOR THE PUBLIC THAT MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF WHAT WAS BEING DESCRIBED THERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS AS A COUNCIL, WE ALSO LIKE TO MAKE SURE IS WHEN YOU HAVE A MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, IT'S REALLY LARGE.

THERE'S MULTIPLE COMPONENTS.

OF COURSE, IT'S A MIXED USE.

IN THE PAST, WE HAD HAD SOME ISSUES WITH BEING GIVEN REALLY PRETTY PICTURES AT COUNCIL MEETINGS OF WHAT THE FINAL PRODUCT WOULD BE.

THEN YOU MAY SEE THE MULTIFAMILY BE BUILT, AND NOTHING ELSE HAPPEN AFTER THAT.

BACK IN 2017, 2018, COUNSEL STARTED WORKING THROUGH PHASING PLANS AND STRATEGIES TO MAKE SURE THAT DIFFERENT USES ARE ALL BUILT TOGETHER, AND THAT IF THERE ARE MULTIFAMILY ENTITLEMENTS, THEY'RE DONE IN APPROPRIATE WAYS AND THAT THEY'RE DELIVERED AFTER THE FACT OF COMMERCIAL AND THE OTHER TYPES OF USES THAT WERE DESIGNED HERE.

OF COURSE, OPEN SPACE IS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT FROM CITY COUNCIL.

WE CONSIDER OUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AS PART OF OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN.

THAT'S WHY EVER SINCE 2017, EVERY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT BROUGHT BEFORE THE CITY OF FRISCO, WHETHER IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL OR A LARGE REGIONAL DESTINATION DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THIS IS REQUIRED TO BUILD PARKS IN THEM.

AS YOU MENTIONED, P&Z DID A GREAT JOB OF SAYING, WE'VE GOT A PARK IN HERE, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BEING USED TO THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE.

I THOUGHT THE POD APPROACH AND THE MULTISTORY APPROACH WAS A VERY CREATIVE SOLUTION FROM OUR PLANNING AND ZONING AND STAFF DEPARTMENT.

WELL DONE. THANK YOU FOR THE APPLICANT FOR WORKING THROUGH OUR VERY DIFFICULT PROCESSES.

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LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE VERY PROUD TO BE VERY DIFFICULT.

BUT WHAT THAT ENSURES IS THAT WE GET THE BEST DEVELOPMENTS AND THE BEST DEVELOPERS WHO WANT TO DEVELOP TO THAT STANDARD BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HOLD THEIR NEIGHBORS TO THOSE SAME STANDARDS.

THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING THAT'S BEEN PART OF FRISCO FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME.

WITH THAT, COUNSEL, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

>> I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A SECOND TO ALSO JUST COMMEND THE APPLICANTS FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND WORKING THROUGH WITH US.

I THINK THE END RESULT IS FANTASTIC.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH US TO REDUCE THE ENTITLEMENT SIGNIFICANTLY ON APARTMENTS, CREATING TOWN HOMES, A PRODUCT THAT WE NEED IN OUR AREA, THESE SMALLER FORMATS.

THANK YOU. I THINK WHAT THE END RESULT THAT CAME OUT TO BE, I THINK EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE VERY PLEASED WITH.

I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU, JAKE.

I KNOW IN OUR DOCUMENTATION, YOU REFERENCED THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE A WEDNESDAY NIGHT FEEL FOR A MORE MILLENNIAL DEMOGRAPHIC.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT THAT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE?

>> I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH THE MAYOR.

IT'S BEEN PROBABLY ALMOST A YEAR NOW.

HE REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING THAT I FAILED AS A CONSULTANT ON THIS WAS TO CREATE A VISION FOR THIS PROJECT.

WHEN YOU TAKE A STEP BACK AND YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING BEING DEVELOPED IN NORTH FRISCO, IT'S EXCEPTIONAL.

I BRAG TO PEOPLE IN THE REAL ESTATE WORLD.

IT IS SOME OF THE BEST, MOST HIGH END DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN NORTH AMERICA.

WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG FAMILIES.

PART OF THE REASON FINE DINING AND HIGHER END RESTAURANTS ARE CHALLENGING IS BECAUSE OUR DEMOGRAPHIC, FOR THE LONGEST TIME, IT WAS LATE 30S.

WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE DOING IN THEIR LATE 30S ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT IS RUNNING KIDS AROUND.

IT'S HARD TO GO SIT DOWN AT A FINE DINING RESTAURANT.

WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE HAD GLORIA'S, WHICH WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THEY MOVE SOUTH BECAUSE OF INCREASED RENTS.

CREATING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE SIT DOWN FAST CASUAL LIKE WEDNESDAY NIGHT RESTAURANTS, AS OPPOSED TO D LINCOLN'S ON EVERY DEVELOPMENT IN NORTH FRISCO IS A IS A FULL BELT AND SUSPENDERS APPROACH TO DEVELOPING THAT NORTHERN SECTOR.

>> THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS, PROBABLY ALONG THE SAME LINES, HOW DO YOU ENVISION MARKETING THIS AS A UNIQUE PRODUCT TO EMPLOYERS WHEN THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO LOOK FOR LEASING AVENUES? HOW WILL YOU UNIQUELY BRAND THIS SO THAT THEY'RE ATTRACTED TO THIS VERSUS ANY OTHER LOCATION?

>> DOES IT RELATES TO THE OFFICE?

>> TO THE EMPLOYERS. THE OFFICE PIECE, YES.

>> IT'S REALLY CHALLENGING.

WE ACTUALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME VISITING WITH MR. LETLER, MR. FORD ABOUT THAT EXACT ITEM.

IT'S REALLY CHALLENGING.

ONE OF THE BIGGER CONCERNS WE HAD EARLY ON IN THIS PROJECT WAS HAVING A HEIGHT, A CERTAIN MINIMUM HEIGHT ON THE OFFICE PRODUCT.

WE WORKED REALLY, REALLY HARD TO TRY AND CREATE A MECHANISM TO WHERE SOME OF THE OFFICE WAS AT A LOWER STORY FOUR STORIES, 3.5 STORIES WITH A LITTLE TERRACE.

THE DIFFERENCE IN RENTS BETWEEN A FOUR STORY OFFICE BUILDING VERSUS A SEVEN STORY OFFICE BUILDING IS EXORBITANT.

RIGHT NOW, IN ORDER TO GET FINANCING FOR AN OFFICE IS INCREDIBLY CHALLENGING.

IT'S ONE OF THE MOST DEVASTATED COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE DISCIPLINES IN ALL OF COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE.

YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH OPTIONS, AND WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM OFFICE TENANTS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT IS TO HAVE THOSE AMENITIES, THOSE OPEN SPACES, EVERYTHING AROUND IT.

THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO INCENTIVIZE THOSE TENANTS IN ADDITION TO RENT PRICING.

YES, WE HAVE SEVEN STORY ALONG THE FRONT AGE OF 38, BUT LOWER IN THE SOUTHEAST, WE HAVE FOUR STORY AND FIVE STORY RESPECTIVELY THAT ARE MORE ACCOMMODATING, BUT ALSO CREATE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE TENANTS THAT WANT TO STILL HAVE A CLASS A OPTION AND ALL OF THOSE AMENITIES, BUT DON'T HAVE TO PAY $60 FOOT RENTS.

>> THANK YOU. THEN MY FINAL QUESTION IS REGARDING I KNOW AT ONE POINT THERE WAS A QUESTION REGARDING INLINE PARKING, AND HOW WE WERE GOING TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH THE RETAIL AND RESTAURANT PARKING.

DID WE GET THAT RESOLVED?

>> WE DID RESOLVE THAT.

>> YES, MA'AM.

>> WE HAVE CONCEDED ON THAT ITEM.

>> AWESOME. THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> YEAH, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT,

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FIRST OF ALL, TO MR. CONGERA, FOR WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY WITH OUR PLANNING AND ZONING, OR CITY STAFF, ALSO FOR INVESTING WITH US.

I KNOW THAT THERE WERE BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS, METAPHORICAL, AND MAYBE SOME LITERAL, KNOWING YOU, SIR.

>> YES, SIR.

>> WITH REGARDS TO THIS, COUNCILWOMAN PELMESHRY ACTUALLY ASKED THE QUESTION I WAS LOOKING FOR, WHICH WAS THE PARKING SITUATION.

ALSO WITH REGARDS TO TRAFFIC, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF CONGESTION, ESPECIALLY DURING PEAK HOURS, ETC?

>> YES, SIR. FORTUNATELY, NORTH FRISCO WAS VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY NEW REALLY HIGH END DEVELOPMENTS WITH WILKES AND FIREFLY RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

MAY HART IS EFFECTIVELY FINISHED RIGHT NOW.

WE PLAYED A HUGE ROLE WITH MR. BARZINA ON GETTING THAT FINALIZED DURING THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

ACTUALLY, MAY HART IS WHAT REALLY SEALS IT.

HAVING THAT EASTERN FIVE LANE DIVIDED BETWEEN THOSE TWO LARGER DEVELOPMENTS HELP ENSURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TRAFFIC CONGESTION PROBLEMS. PJ PARKWAY BEING FULLY BUILT OUT, VERY LOW TRAFFIC, AND A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS ALSO COMPLETED.

>> THANK YOU. MR. CONGERA, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT, EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW TO DO THE BIG THINGS.

NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO DO THE LITTLE THINGS, AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOOD AND GREAT.

I WISH YOU AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF LUCK IN MAKING SURE THAT YOUR VISION IS EXECUTED TO WHAT YOU SEE AND RAISE THE BAR, SIR. THANK YOU.

>> COUNCIL, THERE'S NO QUESTIONS.

I'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION ON THE ITEM.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 29.

SECOND BY JOHN. ALL IN FAVOR.

>> MOTION PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU.

CONGRATULATIONS. THAT TAKE US TO ITEM 30,

[Public Hearing regarding amending the Project and Finance Plan for Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Number Seven, City of Frisco, Texas (Financial Services/DC).]

WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING AMENDING THE PROJECT AND FINANCE PLAN FOR TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER 7, CITY OF FRISCO.

THE BOARD ACTUALLY MET THIS AFTERNOON AND TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT AND OTHER ITEMS. I HAVE ONGOING CLIENT WORK IN THE FIELDS DEVELOPMENT, AND SO I'M GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF AND LET JOHN TAKE OVER FOR ITEM 30 AND 31.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. ITEM 30 IS A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING AMENDING THE PROJECT AND FINANCE PLAN FOR TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER 7, CITY OF FRISCO, TEXAS. THANK YOU AND WELCOME BACK.

>> GOOD EVENING. REBECCA BARTON COMPLIANCE MANAGER FOR THE FINANCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

THIS PRESENTATION IS FOR ITEM 30, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN ITEM 31, WHICH IS A CONSIDER ACT ON AN ORDINANCE FOR ADOPTING THE AMENDED PLAN.

A BRIEF HISTORY ABOUT TIRZ NUMBER 7.

IT WAS CREATED IN NOVEMBER OF 2021.

THE PLAN WAS APPROVED IN JANUARY OF 2021 WITH A TERM OF 40 YEARS ENDING DECEMBER OF 2061.

CURRENTLY, THE TIRZ 7 REVENUE CONSISTS OF 50% OF THE CAPTURED APPRAISAL VALUE FROM THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE ZONE WITH A 2021 TAX BASE YEAR.

THE TIRZ WAS CREATED AS A FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL ENHANCE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TIRZ 7 ZONE, WHICH IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE FIELDS DEVELOPMENT.

WE HAVE PROVIDED A MAP HERE FOR YOUR REFERENCE.

I REALLY QUICKLY WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE AMENDMENTS WITHIN THE PLAN.

THEY COINCIDE WITH THE CHANGES FROM THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH WAS APPROVED ON MARCH 4TH OF 2025.

THOSE INCLUDES UPDATING ADDITIONAL PROJECTS, PUBLIC FACILITIES, INCLUDING THREE PARKING GARAGES.

THEN THE FINANCIAL UPDATES INCLUDES DESIGNATING A FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

IT'S ESSENTIALLY A SUB-ZONE WITHIN THE TIRZ 7 ZONE, WHICH IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE FIELDS WEST PROPERTY, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THIS MAP.

A FEW MORE SPECIFICS ABOUT THE FINANCIALS.

IN THIS SUBZONE FOR FIELDS WEST, THE REVENUE GENERATED WITHIN THAT PROPERTY IS GENERATED WITHIN THAT PROPERTY.

THOSE FUNDS WILL GO TO PAY DEBT SERVICES FOR $70 MILLION.

THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ALSO INCLUDES DETAILS ON DEBT SERVICE BACKSTOP.

THERE ARE NOT ANY CHANGES FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE TIRZ ZONE.

THAT REVENUE WILL CONTINUE TO GENERATE THE REST OF THE TIRZ ZONE, WILL GO TO FUND THOSE DEBT SERVICE ON THOSE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.THERE IS A FEASIBILITY STUDY INCLUDED IN THE PLAN.

WITH THAT, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> MOVE TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.

>> MOTION BY LAURA.

>> SECOND BY BRIAN. ALL IN FAVOR.

WE NOW HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.

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>> VOTE PASSES 4-0.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

>> SEE, NONE. MOVE TO CLOSE.

>> MOTION BY LAURA.

>> SECOND. SECOND BY BRIAN. IN FAVOR?

THANK YOU. ARE WE READY TO MOVE TO ITEM 31?

>> MEETING IS CLOSED.

[Consider and act upon adoption of an Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Frisco approving an amended and restated final project and finance plan for Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Number Seven. (Financial Services/DC)]

>> ITEM 31, CONSIDER AND ACT UPON ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF FRISCO APPROVING AN AMENDED AND RESTATED FINAL PROJECT AND FINANCE PLAN FOR TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER 7.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> MOTION BY BURT.

>> SECOND BY BRIAN. ALL IN FAVOR?

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JEFF, WELCOME BACK.

>> MOTION PASSES 4-0.

>> THANK YOU, JOHN. LET'S SEE,

[Consider and act upon authorizing the City Manager to execute a Letter of Intent by and between the City of Frisco and Wiggle Butt Academy, LLC to commence partnership agreement negotiations for the provision of animal facility operator services. (CMO/KS)]

TAKE US TO ITEM 32, CONSIDER AND ACT UPON AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A LETTER OF INTENT BY HIM BETWEEN THE CITY OF FRISCO AND WIGGLE BUTT ACADEMY, LLC TO COMMENCE PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT NEGOTIATIONS FOR THE PROVISION OF AN ANIMAL FACILITY OPERATOR SERVICES.

I DO KNOW THAT SINCE THIS AGENDA WAS POSTED, WE DO HAVE A PLANNED PUBLIC INPUT SESSION. WHAT DATE IS THAT?

>>IT'S CURRENTLY NOVEMBER 5TH.

>> FOR NOVEMBER 5TH, I KNOW WE'VE GOT A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, AND SO COUNCIL HAS EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN TABLING THIS UNTIL AFTER THAT MEETING, BUT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO A FIRST PASS THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND HEAR FROM PUBLIC COMMENTS.

>> GOOD EVENING, MARY AND COUNCIL, KEN SCHMIDT, DIRECTOR OF SPECIAL PROJECTS FOR THE CITY.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM WAS TO REQUEST FORMAL DIRECTION ON WHETHER THE STAFF AND THE PROPOSED OPERATOR PARTNER SHOULD PROCEED WITH DEVELOPMENT OF PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENTS FOR THE PROPOSED ANIMAL FACILITY PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

AS YOU'LL RECALL, FROM YOUR OCTOBER 7TH WORK SESSION, THE INTENT OF THIS PROJECT IS REALLY DO APPLY THE FRISCO MODEL OF PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS TO THE PROVISION OF ANIMAL SERVICES, PROVIDING FOR INNOVATIVE, HUMANE, COMMUNITY FOCUSED AND FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE APPROACH THAT IS TAILORED TO MEET FRISCO'S ANIMAL WELFARE NEEDS.

GOALS FOR THIS PARTNERSHIP INCLUDE PROVIDING FOR A CONVENIENT LOCATION TO REUNITE FRISCO RESIDENTS WITH THEIR LOST PETS, PROVIDING FOR ENHANCED CARE WHEN THOSE PETS ARE IN OUR CARE THROUGH ENHANCED FURNISHINGS AND MEDICAL CARE.

THEN ALSO, WHAT I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN AS PRECISE AS WE NEED TO HAVE BEEN IN OUR RECENT DIALOGUE REGARDING THIS PROJECT IS THAT OUR GOAL IS TO MAINTAIN A MINIMUM FIVE-DAY HOLDING PERIOD FOR UNCLAIMED ADOPTABLE PETS.

THAT IS, I NEED TO PREFACE THAT IS AS FACILITY CAPACITY ALLOWS.

WITH THIS, WE WANT TO PROVIDE ENHANCED ANIMAL CARE RESOURCES.

EVENTS SUCH AS SPAY NEUTER, VACCINE, MICROCHIPPING EVENTS, AND ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY EDUCATION AND TRAINING.

THEN AN OVERARCHING GOAL AS WELL IS TO ACHIEVE ENHANCED ADOPTION RATES AND SHORTER ADOPTION WAIT TIME FOR FRISCO ANIMALS THAT GO UNCLAIMED, AND THAT WOULD BE ACHIEVED THROUGH ENHANCED PARTNERSHIPS THAT ARE LOCAL TO FRISCO WITH RESCUE AND FOSTER ORGANIZATIONS, HAVING ADOPTION EVENTS, THEN ALSO HAVING ADVANCED BEHAVIORAL ASSESSMENT SERVICES ON SITE EMBEDDED IN THE FACILITY.

OUR PROPOSED OPERATOR PARTNER IS NICOLE KOHANSKI.

SHE IS THE FOUNDER AND OPERATOR OF WIGGLE BUTT ACADEMY, WHICH IS A BOARDING AND TRAINING FACILITY IN PLANO, AND THEN ALSO CANINE LIGHTHOUSE, A RESCUE ORGANIZATION.

SHE IS A 20-YEAR FRISCO RESIDENT AND THREE TERM MEMBER OF OUR ANIMAL ADVISORY BOARD.

NICOLE IS PARTICULARLY WELL POSITIONED TO SERVE AS THE OPERATOR DUE TO HER EXTENSIVE EXPERTISE IN ANIMAL WELFARE.

SHE IS ONE OF THE MOST CREDENTIALED ANIMAL BEHAVIOR PRACTITIONERS IN OUR STATE.

THEN SHE ALSO HAS A STRONG BUSINESS ACUMEN BOTH WITHIN THE ANIMAL WELFARE SPACE SIDE OF IT.

WITH THIS PARTNERSHIP PROCUREMENT, THE CITY DID NOT COMPETITIVELY BID THIS PROPOSED PARTNERSHIP.

WE ARE NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED TO COMPETITIVELY BID THIS PARTNERSHIP, AND WE EXERCISED OUR DISCRETION TO NOT DO THAT TO

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REMAIN ALIGNED WITH HOW WE HAVE TRADITIONALLY PURSUED PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.

THESE PARTNERSHIPS DIFFERENT THAN SAY, PROCURING SERVICES TO CONSTRUCT A ROAD OR UTILITIES OR DESIGN SERVICES. THEY'RE VERY UNIQUE.

IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE DIRECT OUTREACH IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THE PROPOSED PARTNER IS ALIGNED WITH OUR COMMUNITY VALUES AND THE UNIQUE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE FOR THESE PARTNERSHIPS.

BEFORE MISS KOHANSKI CAME INTO THE PICTURE FOR THIS PARTNERSHIP, WE DID DIRECTLY PURSUE PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES WITH A BROAD RANGE OF ANIMAL SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS GETTING A LITTLE MORE ADVANCED DIALOGUE WITH FOUR ORGANIZATIONS, BUT WE WERE UNSUCCESSFUL WITH OTHER ENTITIES.

WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE SOMEONE OF NICOLE'S EXPERTISE, TRAINING, AND UNIQUE KNOWLEDGE OF FRISCO TO STEP UP AND AGREE TO PURSUE THIS PARTNERSHIP.

THE PARTNERSHIP MODEL THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS VERY SIMILAR TO A TYPICAL FRISCO PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, AND THAT THE CITY, IN THIS CASE, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR FUNDING, DESIGNING, AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE ANIMAL FACILITY, AND THEY WILL THEN IN TURN LEASE THAT FACILITY TO OUR OPERATOR PARTNER TO MANAGE.

THE OPERATOR PARTNER WILL PROVIDE ANIMAL SERVICES ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, AND THEY WILL BE PERMITTED TO OPERATE PRIVATE ANIMAL WELFARE BUSINESSES.

THEN WITH THAT, THEY WILL ASSUME RENT OBLIGATIONS AND ALL OPERATIONAL AND MAINTENANCE COSTS FOR THE FACILITY.

THE PARTNER PROVIDED SERVICES INCLUDES SERVICES PROVIDED TO THE CITY OF FRISCO TO SUPPORT OUR ANIMAL SERVICES DIVISION, THEN ALSO THE PARTNER WILL BE PERMITTED TO OPERATE PRIVATE BUSINESSES IN THE FACILITY.

THE FRISCO ANIMAL SERVICES SUPPORT CONSISTS OF MANAGING KENNEL OPERATIONS FOR FRISCO PETS THAT ARE TAKEN IN BY ANIMAL SERVICES STAFF, FACILITATING THE PROCESS OF REUNITING THOSE PETS WITH FRISCO OWNERS.

THEN FOR THOSE PETS THAT GO UNCLAIMED, FACILITATING ADOPTION, RESCUE, AND FOSTER TRANSFER FACILITATION, AS WELL AS WHERE NEEDED TRANSFER SERVICES TO OUR CURRENT SHELTER PARTNER, COLLIN COUNTY ANIMAL SERVICES.

ALSO, THIS OPERATOR WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR A BROAD RANGE OF COMMUNITY EDUCATION AND TRAINING, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, AND THEN ALSO MANAGING A VOLUNTEER PROGRAM AND OTHER SUPPORTING SERVICES SUCH AS A PET PANTRY.

THE VETERINARY CARE PARTNER THAT WILL BE A TENANT OF OUR OPERATOR WILL ALSO BEYOND PROVIDING VETERINARY CARE SERVICES TO THE ANIMALS IN THE FACILITY, WILL ALSO PROVIDE SUPPORT TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY WORKING DOGS, AND THEN THE PARTNER WILL ALSO ONCE AGAIN, BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING AND TAKING ON ALL OPERATING COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE FACILITY.

TO SUPPORT THE PROVISION OF THOSE CITY SERVING SERVICES, THE OPERATOR WILL BE PERMITTED TO OPERATE A PET BOARDING, DAYCARE, AND GROOMING SERVICE AT THE FACILITY, DOG TRAINING, AS WELL AS OPERATING A FULL SERVICE VETERINARY CLINIC THROUGH THEIR VETERINARY CARE PARTNER.

THE PROPOSED ANIMAL FACILITY IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PJ PARKWAY, JUST WEST OF PRESTON ROAD ON A FOUR-ACRE PARCEL THAT IS OWNED BY OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

THIS PARCEL IS IMMEDIATELY WEST OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING FACILITY AND TO THE EAST OF A SERIES OF ONGOING CONSTRUCTION AND PLAN FACILITIES FOR PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING SERVICES.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE FACILITY, THIS CONCEPT PLAN REFLECTS A TWO-STORY BUILDING JUST UNDER 19,000 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA.

WHAT I WOULD PREFACE WITH THIS, AS WELL AS THE FLOOR PLANS THAT WERE SHARED AT YOUR OCTOBER 7TH MEETING IS THAT THIS IS VERY MUCH A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS PREPARED TO FACILITATE A POLICY DISCUSSION AND TO PROVIDE FOR PLANNING LEVEL COST ESTIMATES FOR THIS FACILITY.

IF THIS PROJECT ULTIMATELY MOVES FORWARD FOLLOWING THE ADOPTION AND EXECUTION OF AGREEMENTS BETWEEN COUNCIL, CDC, AND THIS PARTNER, WE WOULD ENGAGE DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE FACILITY.

ONE OF THE PRIMARY CRITERIA WE WOULD APPLY TO

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THE PROCUREMENT OF THOSE SERVICES WOULD BE EXPERTISE IN FACILITY DESIGN.

THAT EXPERTISE WOULD BE USED TO PREPARED VERY DETAILED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT GO WELL BEYOND WHAT IS REFLECTED IN THESE PLANS AND ALSO ACCOUNT FOR BEST PRACTICES IN ANIMAL FACILITY DESIGN.

ANOTHER THING I WOULD HIGHLIGHT IS THIS FACILITY IS NO DIFFERENT THAN OTHER PUBLIC FACILITIES WE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT, AND THAT THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF BUILDING OCCUPANTS AND VISITORS IS A PRIMARY DESIGN CRITERIA.

>> THIS IS THE FUNDING MODEL FOR THE PROPOSED ANIMAL FACILITY.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS WILL BE ON LAND OWNED BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, AND THE CDC WOULD PROVIDE JUST UNDER 13 MILLION IN FUNDING TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT THE FACILITY.

THE CDC WOULD THEN IN TURN LEASE THE FACILITY TO OUR PROPOSED OPERATOR PARTNER WITH A 20-YEAR LEASE WITH THE INTENT OF THAT LEASE WOULD BE TO RECOVER PROJECTED COST OF THE PRIVATE BUSINESS SPACE, WHICH WE ESTIMATE TO BE BASED ON THE CURRENT CONCEPTUAL PLAN AT 7.7 MILLION OF THAT 12.8 MILLION.

THE OPERATOR PARTNER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MULTIPLE RENTS.

THE FIRST BEING BASE RENT AT $32,000 A MONTH, THAT BASE RENT COULD BE PAID IN THE FORM OF CASH OR SERVICES, SPECIFICALLY ANIMAL CARE SERVICES, IN LIEU OF CASH.

THEN ALSO, THE OPERATOR WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR AN ADDITIONAL RENT REFLECTIVE OF 15% OF NET PROFIT THEY ACHIEVE AFTER YEAR 1 OF OPERATING THE FACILITY.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE OPERATOR IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL O&M COSTS, AND CURRENTLY, WE PROJECT THAT TO BE ABOUT $12,000 PER MONTH.

I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT SERVICE IN LIEU OF CASH MODEL.

JUST VERY BRIEFLY, WHAT THIS ACCOUNTS FOR IS THEY ARE PROVIDING INSTEAD OF JUST LEASING A BUILDING FROM US, THEY ARE ALSO PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE CITY.

IN LIEU OF ONLY COLLECTING CASH FOR LEASING THE BUILDING, THIS GIVES THE OPERATOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SERVICES IN LIEU OF CASH.

GENERALLY, THE CONCEPT IS AS THE VALUE OF SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE TO THE CITY GOES UP, THEIR BASE RENT OBLIGATION GOES DOWN UP TO 100% OF THEIR BASE RENT OBLIGATION.

IT CANNOT EXCEED THAT BASE RENT OBLIGATION, SO IT'S CRITICAL THAT THE OPERATOR CAREFULLY MANAGES THEIR BUDGET AND OPERATIONS, SO THE FACILITY REMAINS FISCALLY SOLVENT.

THEN HERE IS THIS SLIDE REALLY SPEAKS TO THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS PROPOSED MODEL VERSUS OTHER MORE CONVENTIONAL MODELS, AND THAT THE REVENUE THEY GENERATE FROM THE PRIVATE BUSINESSES AND THE SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE IN LIEU OF CASH RENT PAYMENT, THAT FUNDS THE OPERATING COSTS THAT THE CITY WOULD OTHERWISE BE RESPONSIBLE FOR.

THAT INCLUDES STAFFING, THE PROGRAMMING WITHIN THE FACILITY, AND THEN ALSO THOSE O&M COSTS.

THIS REALLY ALLOWS US TO BE ECONOMICALLY EFFICIENT WITH THE OPERATION OF THIS FACILITY.

THE LETTER OF INTENT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, THAT'S A NON-BINDING AGREEMENT.

IT'S SIMPLY PROVIDING DIRECTION TO STAFF AND THE PROPOSED OPERATOR TO PROCEED WITH NEGOTIATING PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENTS.

IF AND WHEN WE PROCEEDED WITH AND COMPLETED DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE AGREEMENTS, THOSE WOULD HAVE TO GO BEFORE COUNCIL AND CDC BEFORE ANY PARTNERSHIP COULD BE FORMALIZED.

THIS DOES NOT COMMIT THE CITY OR THE CDC OR THE OPERATOR TO ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS BEYOND WHAT WE WOULD SPEND DEVELOPING THOSE AGREEMENTS.

NEXT STEPS TONIGHT, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS LOI.

WHEN THIS LOI IS ULTIMATELY ACTED ON, WE WILL THEN PROCEED WITH COMMENCEMENT OF NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE OPERATOR.

AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DO FEEL IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND WE HAVE PROGRAMMED A COMMUNITY MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 5TH.

THAT'S A WEDNESDAY. WE'LL RELEASE MORE DETAILS ON THAT SOON, BUT WE'RE EXCITED FOR THAT ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITY.

IF THIS DOES MOVE FORWARD, WE WOULD HAVE A GOAL OF COMPLETING PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENTS AND THEN ULTIMATELY MOVING FORWARD TO DESIGN IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2026.

STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT YOU EXECUTE THIS LETTER OF INTENT, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

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>> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

IF COUNCIL WERE TO POSTPONE IT UNTIL AFTER THAT MEETING, WOULD THAT DELAY YOUR PROCESS IN ANY WAY?

>> WELL, I WOULD LOVE TO OFFER A COMMENTARY ON THIS.

I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS FACILITY GOING FORWARD.

I KNOW YOU'VE DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK.

EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THIS.

HOWEVER, WITH THE ADVENT OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY, NOT ONLY FOR CITIZENS TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS, BUT ALSO PEOPLE TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS ON THIS.

I BELIEVE IT IS REMISS FOR US TO VOTE ON AN LOI ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW WITHOUT HEARING THE CONCERNS OF EVERYONE INVOLVED, AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK WE SHOULD HOLD OFF ON THIS VOTE REGARDLESS OF THE DELAY, SIR, BECAUSE THERE IS NO EXIGENT NEED FOR THIS TODAY FOR IT TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, IN MY OPINION, CAN WAIT UNTIL AFTER THAT PUBLIC INPUT, WHEN WE HAVE A MUCH BETTER OPINION.

IT IS MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE VOTE TO TABLE THIS TODAY UNTIL AFTER THAT HEARING.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY, COUNCIL MEMBER THAKUR, THE VOTE TONIGHT ON THE LOI IS NOT TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT.

>> WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, WES, IT IS TO AUTHORIZE YOU TO GO AHEAD AND BEGIN THAT PROCESS.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE HAVE THE CITIZEN'S INPUT FIRST, WHETHER YOU'RE FOR WHETHER YOU'RE AGAINST IT, THE PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME AND SPEAK ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL THIS FACILITY PARTNERSHIP IS.

I THINK THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO PURSUE A DIRECTION WITH A MUCH MORE INFORMED APPROACH.

THAT IS WHY I'M RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL IS TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THAT HEARING HAPPENS.

>> I'M NOT SPEAKING TO THAT PARTICULARLY.

YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT THIS WAS AN AGREEMENT.

THIS WAS A VOTE TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT TONIGHT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR TO EVERYBODY THAT THIS IS NOT A VOTE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNCIL TAKES ACTION TONIGHT, THAT THIS IS NOT A VOTE TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT TONIGHT.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I'M SAYING THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE VOTING ON ANYTHING AT THIS POINT UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC INPUT PORTION HAS HAPPENED.

THEN AFTER THAT, THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.

>> CAN I ASK YOU ONE QUESTION? WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING ON NOVEMBER 4TH.

JUST DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE TIMING.

WE HAVE THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION ON THE 5TH, WHICH IS THE DAY AFTER.

>> WE HAVE TO MOVE THIS A MONTH.

>> DECEMBER

>> IF WE DIDN'T TABLE IT, WHICH I'M NOT SURE HOW I FEEL YET, ALL THE CITIZEN'S INPUT THAT COMES IN ON THE 5TH WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO BE INCORPORATED INTO ANY LOI, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> WELL, IT WOULDN'T BE PART OF THE LOI, BUT IT WOULD BE PART OF [OVERLAPPING].

BECAUSE WE'RE NOT REALLY APPROVING ANYTHING.

WE'RE JUST AUTHORIZING YOU TO GO TALK TO THE OPERATOR TO DEVELOP AN AGREEMENT.

IF WE HAD THAT, JUST FROM THINKING OF TIMING.

IF WE HAD THAT THEN, IT WOULD SAVE SEVERAL WEEKS OF IT.

BUT IF AT THE END OF IT, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO LOOK AT THE OFFICIAL AGREEMENT THAT RESULTED FROM THE LOI AND GET TO VOTE ON IT, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. I'M SLIGHTLY INDIFFERENT TO WHETHER WE TABLE IT OR NOT. SORRY.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE REASON FOR THE LOI IS BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE TIME AND WE WILL SPEND MONEY FOR THE CITY TO DEVELOP AN AGREEMENT THAT WILL ALSO BE TRUE OF THE PRIVATE PARTNER.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET CLEAR DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL BEFORE PEOPLE START SPENDING TIME AND MONEY ON SOMETHING.

I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY AN APPROPRIATE CONSIDERATION WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO ASK SOMEBODY TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY.

>> I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY HAD ONE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS AND TONIGHT'S THE SECOND, AND THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ASKED IN THE FIRST, AND WE'VE GOTTEN SUBSEQUENT EMAILS.

I KNOW THE DIRECTION WAS THAT ALL WERE GOING TO COMPILE THOSE, GET ANSWERS, AND THEN REDISTRIBUTE THOSE ANSWERS TO COUNCIL.

HAS THAT PROCESS STARTED?

>> YES, THAT PROCESS IS ONGOING.

WE DID RECEIVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS PROJECT, WHICH WE ARE HAPPY TO ADDRESS, AND THAT PROCESS IS ONGOING.

>> THAT PROCESS WILL CONTINUE.

>> ON THE NOVEMBER 5TH MEETING AND THROUGH OTHER CHANNELS THAT CITIZENS CAN PROVIDE PUBLIC INPUT ALL THE WAY TO THE DAY THAT AN AGREEMENT IS DELIVERED IN THE FIRST QUARTER FOR US TO VOTE ON.

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>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> MAYOR, WE PICKED THE WEEK OF NOVEMBER 5TH.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNCIL IS AVAILABLE ON NOVEMBER 5TH.

IF THE COUNCIL WERE AVAILABLE ON SAY THE 3RD, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE THAT MEETING ON THE 3RD IF THAT WORKS FOR PEOPLE AS WELL, BECAUSE THEN WE CAN STILL HAVE THE MEETING ON THE 4TH, ASSUMING THAT THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT ANYBODY'S THINKING ABOUT WHAT THEY HEAR DURING THAT PERIOD.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE OPTIONS, AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER THOSE OPTIONS AS WELL.

>> I THINK A PART OF THE CONCERN, CERTAINLY WE LEARNED OUR LESSON WITH THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS WHERE THE PUBLIC VIEWED ASSIGNED LOI AS MEANING IT WAS ONE THING WHEN IT WAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

YOU DO NOT WANT TO MAKE THAT SAME MISTAKE AGAIN WITH THE PUBLIC THINKING THAT SOMETHING IS A DONE DEAL AND FINISHED AND THEIR INPUT ISN'T HEARD OR MATTER.

I COULD GO EITHER WAY ON IT AS WELL BECAUSE WE COULD EXPLAIN THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING PUBLIC INPUT AGAIN, ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL THE VERY END.

IF THIS DOES GO FORWARD PROBABLY ALL THE WAY AFTER IT OPENS, AS FAR AS THE FACILITY LEARNS HOW TO BETTER PERFORM, BUT THIS POINT, WE DO HAVE A FEW SPEAKERS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP IF WE WANT TO RUN THROUGH THOSE?

>> YES, SURE. ABBY ALLISON.

>> HI, EVERYONE. I AM ABBY ALLISON.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.

I THINK A LOT OF THINGS THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TODAY MAY BE LESS RELEVANT SINCE WE HAD SOME CLARIFICATIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GOING THROUGH THOSE.

I APPRECIATE THOSE THAT PRESENTED AT THE WORK SESSION, THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ASKED, AND THEN THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE THAT HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS AS WELL.

I HAVE THREE SIMPLE ASKS AND FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS TO HELP IMPROVE THE ANIMAL FACILITY.

THE FIRST ONE IS THAT WE WOULD STOP SENDING ANIMALS TO CCAS.

[APPLAUSE] THE SECOND ONE IS THAT WE WOULD COMPLETE A FEASIBILITY STUDY TO TRULY DETERMINE THE NEED WITH A QUORUM OR SHELTER PLANNERS OF AMERICA BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD AND RECONSIDER THE KENNEL COUNTS.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED, AND THAT WE WILL SEE SOME TYPE OF FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND THE ORIGINAL PROJECTIONS WERE PURELY A MOCK-UP FOR A POLICY DISCUSSION.

THEN THE THIRD WAS TO BE CLEAR ON PROCEDURES, MESSAGING, AND HOW WE PLAN TO SOCIALIZE THIS BEFORE WE VOTE.

IT WAS APPRECIATIVE OF THE NEXT STEP SLIDES.

THAT WAS SHOWED A SECOND AGO.

BACK TO MY FIRST POINT TO STOP SENDING ANIMALS TO COLLIN COUNTY.

IN THE COUNCIL MEMO ABOUT THE LETTER OF INTENT, A SPECIFIC LINE WAS ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE STRAY HOLDING FACILITY, AND THE PARTNER BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TRANSFER OF ANIMALS FROM THE FRISCO FACILITY TO COLLIN COUNTY.

FOR SPACE, WHICH A LOT OF ANIMAL ADVOCATES KNOW IS YOU'RE TRANSFERRING THEM TO BE EUTHANIZED.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE FRISCO TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ANIMALS IN FRISCO AND NOT MAKE THEM SOMEONE ELSE'S PROBLEM, BUT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM IN FRISCO.

WE SHOULDN'T BE RELYING ON AN OVERCROWDED COUNTY FACILITY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED FOR UNINCORPORATED AREA STRAY ANIMALS.

BASED ON WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WE HAVE THE FUNDS TO MAKE A BIGGER IMPACT ON THIS PROBLEM.

I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T TRANSITION THE FACILITY PARTNERSHIP TO A FULL-SERVICE SHELTER.

I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY COMPELLING REASONS WHY WE CAN'T OFFER RESIDENTS A FULL-SERVICE SHELTER LIKE WAS PROPOSED IN THE 2023 BOND.

I WANT TO DIG IN ON THIS.

IS IT THE INTENT OF THE PARTNER AND A DEMAND OF THE PARTNER THAT WE SEND DOGS AFTER FIVE DAYS OVER TO COLLIN COUNTY, OR IS IT THE INTENT OF THE CITY? IF IT'S THE INTENT OF THE CITY, WHAT'S THE COMPELLING REASON? WHY WAS COLLIN COUNTY SELECTED AS A BACKSTOP? HAVE WE CONSIDERED OTHER CITY GOVERNMENTS THAT HAVE BETTER OR ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS FOR US TO PARTNER WITH AS A BACKSTOP? WE JUST HEARD THAT STRAIGHT HOLD TIME IS A MINIMUM OF FIVE DAY SPACE ALLOWING.

THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT CLARIFICATION.

IT'S NOT REALLY A MINIMUM IF IT'S DEPENDENT ON SPACE.

LET'S BUILD A FACILITY WITH THE ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF SPACE.

THE SECOND ASK AROUND THE FEASIBILITY STUDY,

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WOOD LOVE JUST SOME CONFIRMATION THAT WILL RE-EXAMINE THE KENNEL COUNT THAT WAS PRESENTED, AND THEN WHAT'S THE CAT CAPACITY? WITH AN UNKNOWN CAT CAPACITY? HAVING OVER 60 FRISCO ANIMALS AT COLLIN COUNTY IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS IS CUTTING IT CLOSE WITH WHAT WE HAD SEEN SO FAR.

IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'LL BE RE-EVALUATED.

BUT MY THIRD ASK IS JUST GET REALLY CLEAR ON THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AS WE GO INTO THESE PUBLIC INPUT SESSIONS AND CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.

THERE'S A LOT OF JUST REALLY FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS, NOT HIGHLY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS, LIKE, WHAT DO WE MEAN BY QUARANTINE? WHY AREN'T WE ALLOWING OWNER SURRENDERS? ARE WE OPEN TO ALLOWING OWNER SURRENDERS? WHAT DOES OWNER SURRENDERS MEAN OR NOT MEAN? THEN A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD SAY THAT PEOPLE ALREADY HAD THEIR MINDS MADE UP ABOUT THIS PLAN, AND THAT RESIDENTS CONSIDER A BILLION EMAILS, AND IT MAY NOT MATTER.

BUT I COME HERE JUST REALLY HOPEFUL AND THANKFUL THAT YOU'RE ALREADY STARTING TO HEAR CITIZENS OUT AND MAKE CITIZENS FEEL HEARD.

I AM REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF THE PERSPECTIVE TOWARDS THE ANIMAL ADVOCATES ON THIS ISSUE.

WE'VE WAITED A REALLY LONG TIME FOR AN ANIMAL SHELTER.

I ASK THAT YOU TABLE THIS VOTE UNTIL WE GET SOME OF THOSE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS CLEARED UP.

I REALIZE THAT IT'S JUST AN INFORMAL AGREEMENT.

BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO SPEND TIME AND MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT WE AREN'T CLEAR ON YET.

LIKE WE SAID IN THE WORK SESSION, LET'S DO THIS ONCE, AND LET'S DO IT RIGHT, AND LET'S MAKE IT FIVE STARS.

THE ANIMAL ADVOCATES AND FRISCO WANT TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY AND MAKE THIS THE BEST FRISCO FACILITY THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE.

THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> WE HAVE LISA ALLISON.

>> GOOD EVENING. I'M PRETTY MUCH GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING SHE IS, BUT JUST ASK THAT YOU PLEASE TABLE THIS TONIGHT.

BUT MY NAME IS LISA ALLISON, SORRY, I LIVE ON STALEY DRIVE AND FRISCO.

THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE RESPONDED TO MY E MAILS, WHO HAVE MET WITH ME AND THOSE THAT HAVE CALLED ME.

THANK YOU TO MR. PEARSON FOR ALSO RESPONDING TO MY EMAIL.

AGAIN, I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU TABLE THIS, UNTIL WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS CAN BE A Q&A SESSION CAN BE CONDUCTED.

I KNOW I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT I'VE EMAILED IN, AND I BELIEVE OTHERS DO TOO.

I'M THANKFUL DISCUSSIONS ARE OCCURRING AND THAT THINGS LIKE A FACILITY IN FRISCO ARE BEING DISCUSSED, WHERE THINGS LIKE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING CAN OCCUR.

WHAT I WOULD ULTIMATELY LIKE TO SEE, IS A FACILITY WITH ENOUGH SPACE THAT WE DO NOT NEED TO DEPEND ON COLLIN COUNTY ANIMAL SERVICES.

WE KNOW CCAS IS WAY OVERCROWDED AND STRUGGLES TO MAKE ROOM FOR INCOMING ANIMALS.

WHILE HAVING RESCUE PARTNERS IS ALSO GREAT.

FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD, MANY RESCUES ARE FULL AND STRUGGLING TO FIND MORE FOSTERS.

CAN WE PLEASE DISCUSS ALLOWING OWNER SURRENDERS FROM FRISCO RESIDENTS? I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT WE PLEASE CONSIDER UTILIZING NOW SIDE FIRM TO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY OR NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

MANY OF US HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE LOW NUMBER OF KENNELS BEING PROPOSED.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ADDRESSING A NEED THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR FOR MANY YEARS.

I JUST ASK THAT YOU PLEASE SLOW DOWN FOR A MINUTE, AND INVOLVE YOUR RESIDENTS AND OUTSIDE EXPERTS.

SOME OF US HAVE THOUGHTS AND IDEAS THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BENEFIT THE FACILITY, AND ULTIMATELY HELP TO CREATE A FACILITY THAT IS BEST FOR THE ANIMALS AND THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> NEXT, WE HAVE JAMES AND ARDA WOODMAN.

OH, YOU DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION TO PLEASE POSTPONE THIS. GOT IT.

>> CAN BE POSTPONED.

>> SURE, IF YOU'VE CHANGED YOUR MIND.

>> THANK YOU. I DIDN'T PLAN TO SPEAK BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN PROCESSING QUESTIONS.

CITY COUNCIL, EVERYONE INVOLVED HAVE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

THE THING THAT COME TO MIND, IS THAT FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEAR, WE'VE BEEN PURSUING THIS? THE TWO YEARS AGO, WE HAD A CITIZEN BOND RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WAS DENIED.

THE CITIZENS WERE DENIED TO RIGHT THE VOTE ABOUT THIS.

NOW HERE COMES SUDDENLY FROM NOWHERE, ALL THIS MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE.

THE UNDERLYING REASON IT WAS REJECTED, MAYOR, YOU REMEMBER, WE DID NOT WANT TO ADD ANY EXPENSE TO THE CITY BUDGET.

CORRECT. YOU CANNOT, I GUESS.

I THINK IT'S CORRECT. YOU DID NOT WANT TO LINE ITEM FOR ANY ANIMAL FACILITIES.

NOW, THIS PROPOSITION IS PROVIDING UP TO $32,000 IN LEASE CREDITS.

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MY QUESTION, WHERE IS THAT MONEY COMING FROM? WHICH BUDGET? THANK YOU.

>> REGARDING THE BOND ELECTION, I WOULD SAY THAT THE $5 BILLION THAT WAS PROPOSED FROM THE CITIZEN BOND COMMITTEE, THE COUNCIL DID NOT PUT THAT ON THAT BECAUSE TRUTHFULLY, COUNSEL KNEW THAT IF WE DID A PROJECT, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN FUNDED THROUGH THAT MECHANISM, AND I THINK MANY OF US FELT LIKE THAT WAS A FALSE PRESENTATION TO THE PUBLIC.

I WOULD SAY, WHETHER YOU AGREE WE'VE MOVED FAST ENOUGH OR NOT, I THINK WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE TRANSPARENT IN OUR APPROACH AND NOT MAKE FALSE PROMISES ALONG THE WAY, AND THAT WAS WITH THE BOND INITIATIVE.

THAT'S WHY YOU SEE NOW IT IS BEING FUNDED THROUGH A MECHANISM THAT WE ALWAYS THOUGHT WOULD BE IF WE EVER PURSUED A PROJECT.

COUNSEL, WHAT COMMENTS, QUESTIONS?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY REAL QUICK THAT REGARDING THIS, I DO THINK THAT THERE'S A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I DO SENSE THAT THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL WHO ARE AMBIVALENT EITHER WAY WHEN IT COMES TO THIS.

AS A RESULT OF THAT, I ACTUALLY MOVE TO TABLE THIS.

>> WE'RE TAKING MOTION HIP.

NO. I'VE HEARD FROM JUST YOU AND ONE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR A MOTION.

>> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM.

>> I'M NOT TAKING MOTIONS.

I'M TAKING COMMENTS FROM THE REST OF COUNCIL.

I RUN THE MEETINGS, LIKE YOU'VE BEEN DISCUSSED.

EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK ON AN AGENDA ITEM, AND I'M GONNA ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK, AND THEN WE'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION. THANK YOU.

>> WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO THIS TOPIC.

I'VE SHARED WITH A NUMBER OF PEOPLE FIVE YEARS AGO, WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL, THE CONCEPT OF ANY TYPE OF ANIMAL FACILITY JUST WASN'T EVEN ON THE RADAR.

THE FACT THAT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE TODAY DISCUSSING THE NUANCES, OBVIOUSLY, WE STILL HAVE TO LINE UP, BUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE WHERE WE ARE SHOWS SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS.

I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROGRESS THAT WE'VE MADE ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC.

BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT I'VE READ AND HEARD, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING WITH THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY.

HAVING SAID THAT, THOUGH, I DO THINK THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF VERY VALID QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SENT IN.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US ATTEMPT TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS IF WE COULD.

ONES, CLEARLY WE CAN'T ANSWER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN ARCHITECT IN PLACE, OR WE SIMPLY CAN'T ANSWER AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

I THINK THE RESIDENTS DESERVE FOR US TO GO THROUGH THOSE QUESTIONS AS MUCH AS WE CAN, EITHER THROUGH AN FAQ PROCESS OR A HANDOUT OF SOME SORT.

THAT'S WHERE I'M AT AT THIS POINT.

I THINK THAT WAS YOU OFFERED EARLIER THAT NOVEMBER 5 WASN'T NECESSARILY A DATE IN STONE.

IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A TOWN HALL OF SOME SORT OR WHATEVER WE'RE PROPOSING FOR NOVEMBER 5TH, MOVE IT TO NOVEMBER 3, BEFORE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEMBER MEETING.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

PLUS I'M NOT AVAILABLE ON THE FIFTH, BUT I'D LOVE TO BE HERE ON THE THIRD, SO I WILL PUT MY PREFERENCE IN FOR HAVING THAT BE OUR NEXT COMMUNICATION BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

>> THANK YOU, JULIE. I'VE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO HAVE SEEN THIS COME UP ON THE AGENDA, AND CERTAINLY AN ITEM FOR CONVERSATION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

I WOULD SAY THAT ONE OF THE BIG TAKEAWAYS, MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WAS MISSED.

I TALKED TO LAURA ABOUT THIS WHEN THE BONDS WERE UP FOR PROPOSAL WAS THAT EVEN THOUGH THOSE DIDN'T PASS, AND TO REITERATE WHAT THE MAYOR WAS SAYING, THOSE WERE COS OR GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS THAT WOULD BE TAXPAYER FUNDED OFF YOUR RESIDENTIAL TAXES.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE, BUT ALSO AT THAT TIME, COLLIN COUNTY WAS DEFINITELY WATCHING AND LISTENING, AND IT TRIGGERED THEIR OWN BOND ELECTION, WHERE THEY REALIZED THEY WERE GOING TO LOSE A PARTNER IN FRISCO IF THEY DIDN'T DO SOMETHING TO IMPROVE THEIR ANIMAL SERVICES, SO I WOULD SAY YOUR VOICES DID NOT GO UNHEARD.

CERTAINLY, WE ALL TOOK NOTES, KEPT NOTES,

[02:20:02]

AND NOW LATELY, MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE WORK OF LAURA RUMMEL, WE'RE FINALLY AT THIS PLACE WHERE WE CAN RE IMAGINE PERHAPS OUR TERMS, WHAT A ANIMAL FACILITY OF THE FUTURE WOULD LOOK LIKE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE HERE.

WE'RE TRYING TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY.

WE'VE GOT A CITY THAT'S HIGHLY EDUCATED, HIGHLY MOTIVATED, IN MANY CASES, HIGHLY COMPENSATED, AND IT'S ALSO A CITY OF RULE FOLLOWERS.

WE HEARD OUR POLICE AND FIRE REPORT.

THIS IS A VERY SAFE CITY.

WE HEARD FROM A CITIZEN WHO SPOKE TO A CONVENTION MOVING HERE AFTER CHOOSING OTHER CITIES BECAUSE IT'S THIS SAFE AND WONDERFUL CITY, AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE INCREDIBLE CITIZENS HERE WHO TYPICALLY TAKE CARE OF THEIR PETS.

SOMETIMES THEY DO GET OUT.

I THINK BEEN VERY INNOVATIVE, CERTAINLY WITH OUR POLICE FORCE, WITH OUR COMMUNITY, WITH OUR STAFF, AND OUR CITIZENS OF FINDING THOSE PETS AND GETTING THEM BACK TO WHERE THEY BELONG.

I THINK IS THE PRIMARY MISSION.

SOME OF THESE OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVE COME UP AND MAYBE WHERE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CLARITY. I AGREE.

I DID SWAP SOME E MAILS WITH A COUPLE OF YOU HERE RECENTLY, TRY TO DIG BACK INTO, SOME PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME CONTENT.

HOW DID WE GET HERE FROM WHERE WE WERE TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND? I KNOW OTHER FOLKS HAVE REACHED OUT AS WELL.

I ABSOLUTELY APPLAUD THE EFFORT, AND I SEE THE MOVING PARTS HERE AND THE SCHEDULE OF OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS.

AS WE'RE COMING INTO THE HOLIDAYS, WE'LL ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING IN DECEMBER, THAT FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER, SO WE'VE GOT CHOICES HERE ABOUT A NOVEMBER 5 MEETING.

IT'S BEEN PROPOSED THAT MAYBE THAT MEETING GET MOVED.

THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AFTER THAT WOULD BE NOVEMBER 18, THAN YOU ARE GETTING INTO DECEMBER.

THE CITY HAS DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THIS.

WIGGLE BUT ACADEMY, THEIR NAME IS OUT THERE NOW.

WE KNOW WHO THE PLAYERS ARE, THE PARTNERS ARE, SO I WOULD SAY THAT THERE IS A HUGE OPPORTUNITY HERE TO GET ALL THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND ALL THE CONCERNS ADDRESSED.

I CAN'T IMAGINE A BETTER TIME IN HISTORY, IN FRISCO TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES HEAD ON.

NOW, AND LET'S REALLY GET THIS FIGURED OUT WHILE WE'VE GOT EVERYBODY TOGETHER, FINALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND FOR SPEAKING.

I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT, CERTAINLY, MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR FRUSTRATION.

I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO GET THROUGH THAT AND FIND A PLACE WHERE WE CAN DO WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR PETS. THANK YOU.

I'M OPEN TO TABLE THIS.

I'M OPEN IF STAFF CAN MAYBE SHIFT THIS MEETING ANOTHER TIME WHEN PERHAPS WE COULD ALL ATTEND.

AS WE MOVE DOWN THE LINE HERE, I'M OPEN TO OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS.

>> I GUESS THAT LEAVES ME.

>> I'M HERE TOO.

>> YOU HAVEN'T DONE YOUR COMMENTS HERE. DO YOU WANT TO GO NEXT?

>> YEAH.

>> I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR ON SOMETHING IS THAT THE LOI IS MORE OF TAKING, ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS INTO HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS? THAT TAKES US FROM THE LOI AND MOVES US INTO PUTTING IN SOME OF THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, GETTING SOME OF THE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ANSWERED OR EXCUSE ME, THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED.

WE HAVE A HIGH LEVEL CONCEPT.

WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A VISION THAT WE HAVE CAST.

WE KNOW WE HAVE A PARTNER THAT IS WILLING TO WALK BESIDE US AND HELP US TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

AS WE'RE GOING INTO THE NEXT STEPS, THAT IS WHAT'S GOING TO HELP US.

EVEN IF WE MOVE THIS TO NOVEMBER 3, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANSWERS TO ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THOSE QUESTIONS WON'T BE DONE UNTIL WE GET IN THROUGH THE STUDIES, UNTIL WE GET THROUGH THE ARCHITECTS, BUT THEY WILL BE DONE BEFORE WE GO INTO A FINAL AGREEMENT.

THE ABSOLUTELY WILL BE DONE BY THEN.

I DO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE CONSCIOUSLY AWARE THAT, AND I'M FINE WITH TABLING THIS ONE MEETING.

BUT I WOULD ALSO BE CONSCIOUS THAT THE LONGER THAT WE TABLE THIS, THE MORE THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING THE EFFORT INTO SOLVING THE SOLUTION HERE LOCALLY.

THE MORE WE ARE STILL SENDING MANY ANIMALS TO CCAS, AND WE WON'T HAVE A SERVICE HERE IN FRISCO.

I DO WANT US TO KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT ULTIMATELY, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS WE ARE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR FRISCO.

THAT IS THE GOAL.

WE ARE ABSOLUTELY TRACKING EVERY SINGLE QUESTION.

[02:25:01]

I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HEARS ME.

YOU ARE BEING HEARD. YOU ARE.

I HAVE BEEN HAVING NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH ANIMAL ADVOCATES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

I KNOW NICOLE AND HER TEAM ARE DOING THE SAME.

I KNOW STAFF IS HEARING AND COLLECTING THE QUESTIONS TO BE ABLE TO GET THOSE BACK.

I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS FINAL PLAN WILL BE COMPREHENSIVE.

IT WILL BE FULLY THOUGHT OUT.

NOW, I CANNOT PROMISE IT'S GOING TO BE A FULLY FUNCTIONING SHELTER.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT A SHELTER DOES, A SHELTER HOUSES HOMELESS ANIMALS.

WE WILL DO THAT.

WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS ASKED FOR, LIKE AN ANIMAL RESCUE AND ADOPTION FACILITY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

A VOLUNTEER AREA, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

A PLACE FOR RESOURCES, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

A CENTER FOR MICRO-CHIPPING AND VACCINATION EVENTS, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

A PET EDUCATION CENTER FOR STUDENTS, WE WANT TO DO THAT.

AN LOI, WILL HELP US GO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR EDUCATIONAL PARTNERS TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO, AND WILL THEY PARTNER WITH US.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF THAT'S PLANNING IN THIS THAT IS IN THE VERY EARLY STAGES THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER WHEN WE HAVE AN LOI IN PLACE, THAT GIVES A LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE TO OTHER PARTNERS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN SPEND THEIR TIME AND ENERGY ON AS WELL.

I WILL BE SUPPORTIVE IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO TABLE THIS.

I DO NOT WANT TO TABLE IT WHERE IT CONTINUES TO GET MOVED UNTIL ALL QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE STAGE THAT WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER RAM, EXCUSE ME, COUNCIL MEMBER LIVINGSTON, JUST TO CLARIFY.

DID YOU INTEND TO SAY THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A LONG TERM HOUSING FACILITY FOR PETS?

>> NO, THAT IT WAS A HOUSING AREA FOR HOMELESS PETS.

>> BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE NEVER TALKED ABOUT HAVING A LONG TERM FACILITY FOR PET HOUSE.

>> CORRECT. THAT'S WHY I IS NOT A SHELTER.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS VERY CLEAR.

I DON'T WANT TO SET PEOPLE'S EXPECTATIONS UNREALISTICALLY AND NOT BE ABLE TO MEET THEM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION.

>> OTHER THAN ME HAVING A 22 GOLDFISH, AND MY DAUGHTER HAVING A HAMSTER, I'VE NEVER HAD PETS DUE TO MY FAMILY SUFFERING FROM ALLERGIES, SO I'M COMING FROM THIS FROM A TOTALLY NON EMOTIONAL POINT OF VIEW.

I LOVE THE CONCEPT OF WHAT WE PUT TOGETHER HERE.

I THINK THE CHIEF AND STAFF AND YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB PUTTING TOGETHER A CONCEPT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HAD THROUGH MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH WEST DUE TO A LOT OF YOUR E MAILS AND INPUT WAS JUST MAKING SURE ONE WE DO IT RIGHT.

WE THINK THROUGH EVERYTHING, AND THAT WE DO MAKE IT A FIVE STAR BEST IN CLASS FACILITY.

GOODS NOT ENOUGH, NEEDS TO BE GREAT.

I STARTED OFF THIS CONVERSATION PROBABLY INDIFFERENT WHETHER WE TABLED IT OR MOVED FORWARD.

BUT RIGHT NOW, I LEAN FORWARD, TABLE IT JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

LET'S HEAR THE INPUT.

LET'S JUST START OFF WITH THE BEST POSITION THAT WE CAN HAVE, THE STRONGEST FOUNDATION, WE CAN HAVE, AND MOVE FROM THERE, BECAUSE WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE PLENTY OF OBSTACLES, PLENTY OF DISCUSSION, PLENTY OF CONVERSATIONS, DEBATE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

I SUPPORT TABLING IT FOR THIS ONE TIME AND STARTING OFF WHEN WE DO ENTER INTO THE LOI WITH THE STRONGEST FOUNDATION AS WE CAN.

>> MAYOR, ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK OR I WAS GOING TO ASK IF EVERYBODY'S AVAILABLE FOR THE 3RD, LET US KNOW.

IF NOT, THEN WE NEED TO FIND ANOTHER DATE. BUT I'M AVAILABLE.

>> WELL, IF WE WERE TO TABLE THIS TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, STAFF NEEDS CLEAR DIRECTION WHAT THEY'RE EXPECTED TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN FOR COUNCIL TO BE PREPARED FOR A VOTE.

IS IT SIMPLY GOING THROUGH THE ACT OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING, OR IS THERE MORE DIRECTIVES TO GIVE STAFF FOR COUNCIL TO BE READY TO TAKE ACTION AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING?

>> I'M GOING TO SHINE MY IGNORANCE ON THIS, SO EVERYBODY BASK IN IT.

I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS MEANT BY A FEASIBILITY STUDY.

I THINK I'VE ALLUDED THAT TO YOU.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT WOULD MEAN IN THIS CASE.

I KNOW THAT THE POLICE CHIEF HAS DONE SOME STUFF ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T WANT A FULL BLOWN $300,000 OR 85 PAGE STUDY THAT COSTS THE TAXPAYER MONEY, BUT IS THERE SOME OTHER VERIFICATION, SOME OTHER VALIDATION JUST TO MAKE US MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

>> I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK.

SOME PEOPLE HAVE A CERTAIN IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, ET CETERA.

[02:30:07]

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT A FACILITY IS APPROPRIATE FOR FRISCO.

I THINK EVERYBODY IS YES.

THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT WE WILL DO AS PART OF THE DESIGN OF THE FACILITY IS WORKING WITH NOT ONLY THE OPERATOR, BUT THEN ALSO PEOPLE WHO DESIGN THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE FACILITY AND THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

I THINK SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT SIZE IS REFLECTIVE OF WHAT SOME PEOPLE MAY WANT TO SEE IT BE.

IF SOMEBODY WANTS IT TO BE A FULL REPLACEMENT OF THE COLLIN COUNTY ANIMAL SHELTER, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO MEET BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON TRYING TO DO.

IF SOMEBODY'S WANTING IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO MAKE IT, SO FEWER PETS GO THERE BECAUSE THEY EITHER ARE RETURNED TO THEIR OWNERS IN A MORE CONVENIENT WAY, OR THEY ARE THROUGH RESCUES OR OTHER ADOPTION EFFORTS.

THEY GO THERE AS OPPOSED TO THE SHELTER.

THEN ULTIMATELY, IF THOSE UNCLAIMED ADOPTABLE ANIMALS AREN'T CLAIMED, AND THEY GO TO THE SHELTER, THEN THAT'S ALSO AN OPTION.

IF THE QUESTION IS, IN MY MIND, IT'S I THINK WE CAN DESIGN SOMETHING WITH THE EXPERTS BASED ON WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING.

BUT IF ULTIMATELY, THE COUNCIL IS SAYING, THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT.

WE NEED TO REPLICATE COLLIN COUNTY ANIMAL SHELTER, THEN THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION ALTOGETHER, AND THAT THEN WOULD REQUIRE, I WOULD SAY, SOME LEVEL OF ADDITIONAL STUDY, BUT THAT'S AGAIN, A BROADER POLICY QUESTION.

>> WITH THAT BEING SAID, DOES IT BEHOOVE US TO HAVE A MEETING ON THE 3RD TO COME IN ON THE 4TH? DOES THAT GIVE ADEQUATE TIME NOT ONLY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT ALSO TO GET THE DATA? SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS SEEM PRETTY INTENSIVE.

I ACTUALLY LIKE THE ORIGINAL PLAN OF HAVING A MEETING ON THE 5TH, PERHAPS, AND THEN VOTING ON IT ON THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL.

THAT GIVES ADEQUATE TIME FOR THE CITY STAFF TO BE ABLE TO PREPARE AND ALSO FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE AN INFORMED DECISION, AND ALSO IT GIVES OUR PUBLIC, PRIVATE PARTNER AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AS WELL IN AN INFORMATIVE WAY.

I JUST DON'T SEE 24 HOURS BEING ENOUGH TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT MYRIAD OF QUESTIONS. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

>> THE QUESTIONS, WE HAVE HUNDRED OF QUESTIONS?

>> WE'VE GOT AT LEAST 5,000 WORDS WORTH OF QUESTIONS.

>> WE'VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS, AND WE CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS BEFORE THEN.

WILL SOMEBODY ASK A QUESTION IF WE HAD THIS ON THE 3RD OR ON THE 5TH THAT WE CAN'T ANSWER? YES. PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FORM A PARTNERSHIP.

I THINK THAT'S WITHOUT KNOWING HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK, THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS THAT CAN'T BE ANSWERED, PERIOD.

>> FULLY UNDERSTOOD. ONE THING THAT I WOULD REQUEST, ONCE AGAIN, FOR EVERYBODY TO FRAME THIS TO IS IT'S NOT A SIMPLE QUESTION.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CUTS VERY DEEPLY TO THE CORE OF MEMBERS OF OUR FAMILY FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT, OR ANIMALS THAT GENUINELY JUST DON'T HAVE A VOICE.

TO THE PARTNER IN THIS, THIS IS SOMEONE WHO I'VE INTERACTED WITH A COUPLE OF TIMES.

IT'S A REALLY GOOD PERSON, AND THEY DESERVE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLICATE THEIR VISION.

TO THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T FULLY REALIZE THAT VISION AT THE SAME TIME, THIS CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ESSENTIALLY THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T NECESSARILY ALIGN WITH IT TO COME TOGETHER BECAUSE THIS IS IT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE ARE DOING GENUINELY AFFECTS PEOPLE.

MY DOG, CALLY, IS THE REASON I ARGUE, SOME OF THE REASON WHY I GOT OVER MY PTSD.

IF IT WASN'T FOR HER, LIKE, SIX WEEKS OLD, AND SHE WAS A PART OF MY LIFE, AND TO THIS DAY, I STILL CRY WHENEVER I THINK ABOUT HER.

IT'S IMPORTANT, NOT JUST TO ME, BUT TO A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE.

THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, IF WE'RE TRYING TO RUSH THIS FOR THE SAKE OF RUSHING, AND I UNDERSTAND, BUSINESS HAS TO CONTINUE AND WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PROJECTS.

BUT ONE DAY TO DIGEST THE INFORMATION AND THE CONCERNS, I BELIEVE, IS A DISSERVICE TO THE VERY INTEGRITY OF WHAT THIS PROJECT COULD REPRESENT.

I DO ARGUE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE UNIQUE IF IT'S DONE RIGHT IN A GOOD WAY.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE'S NOTHING THAT IS BEING RUSHED.

[02:35:01]

THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS, MULTI YEAR PROCESS WITH CITY STAFF.

THIS IS THE SECOND OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT. IT WON'T BE THE LAST.

THERE'S A THIRD OPPORTUNITY ON NOVEMBER 3.

THERE'LL BE MULTIPLE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES ALL THE WAY TO THE FINISH LINE.

WE'RE NOT EVEN ANTICIPATING A FINAL AGREEMENT UNTIL THE FIRST QUARTER, AT SOME POINT, IT SOUNDS LIKE TO GET THROUGH ALL THESE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.

NOT ALL THE QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO BE ANSWERED TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.

THERE'S PROBABLY SOME QUESTIONS THAT WON'T BE ANSWERED TWO MONTHS FROM NOW.

JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS LOI IS.

I THINK IT'S FINE TO PUSH IT TWO WEEKS, BUT IF WE'RE SETTING THE EXPECTATIONS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE AN LOI UNTIL EVERY SINGLE QUESTION IS ANSWERED, THAT IS A FALSE EXPECTATION.

IT'S REALLY TO PROGRESS THIS TO THE NEXT STEP TO GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED AS LAURA ARTICULATED VERY WELL, TO CONTINUE MOVING THINGS FORWARD.

WE CAN GET TO THE FINAL AGREEMENT, AND COUNSEL CAN CHOOSE TO VOTE NO.

THERE ARE MANY BITES AT THE APPLE.

I DO THINK FROM A PUBLIC PERCEPTION STANDPOINT, I DO THINK IT IS BETTER FOR US TO HAVE THAT THIRD PUBLIC MEETING BEFORE THE LOI.

IT SEEMS PRUDENT IF WE CAN HAVE THAT ON THE 3RD AND THEN JUST ADD THIS TO THE AGENDA OF NOVEMBER 4, FOR COUNCIL'S FURTHER CONSIDERATION TO THEN TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

COUNCIL AGREEMENT OF THAT APPROACH TO TRY TO FIND SOME COMMON GROUND HERE?

>> NOVEMBER 3RD WORKS, I'M OPEN THAT DAY.

>> WORKS FOR ME.

>> SAME.

>> FOR THE?

>> 3RD, PUBLIC MEETING.

>> THE MEETING.

>> YES, 3RD.

>> THAT MEETING WOULD BE A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING, AND WE'D HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANOTHER PRESENTATION AND QUESTIONS [OVERLAPPING]

>> FIRST POINT, PROBABLY A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WILL BE ASKED THAT MEETING HAVE ALREADY BEEN EMAILED BY MANY OF OUR ADVOCATES.

MANY OF THEM ARE IN YOUR INBOX, BUT IT IS NOT OUR EXPECTATION THAT EVERY SINGLE QUESTION YOU GET THAT NIGHT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THE ANSWER FOR US THE FOLLOWING NIGHT.

>> IF YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR MOTION.

>> AT THAT NOVEMBER 3 MEETING, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE DURING THE PRESENTATION STUFF?

>> WE'LL BE LIKE [OVERLAPPING]

>> YES, WITH STAFF, YES.

>> WOULD BE A NORMAL MEETING.

>> IS IT A NORMAL MEETING WITH COUNCIL OR IT'S MORE OF A [OVERLAPPING]

>> NO, WE WERE ANTICIPATING A NORMAL SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING.

THIS WILL BE THE ONLY THING ON THE AGENDA EXCEPT FOR THE PLEDGE.

BUT YES, WE'LL MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND LISTEN, SEE.

QUESTIONS CAN BE ASKED, ANSWERED, ET CETERA.

>> I IMAGINE, OTHER THAN OUR ADVOCATES THAT ARE HERE IN-PERSON, THERE'S SOME WATCHING ONLINE, AND SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT THOSE QUESTIONS.

AGAIN, WHERE CAN THEY SUBMIT THOSE? WHAT'S THE BEST AND MOST APPROPRIATE PLACE?

>> WE'LL HAVE SOME MESSAGING ON THAT.

I'M SURE IN OUR SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THEY CAN EMAIL THOSE TO ANYONE FROM THE CITY MANAGEMENT TEAM, TO MYSELF, OR TO CHIEF SHILSON.

>> COUNCIL, WE'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION.

>> MOTION TO TABLE THIS.

LET ME TABLE ITEM 32 UNTIL THE NOVEMBER.

>> THAT MOTION PASSES 5 0.

ITEM 34, CONSIDER AND ACT UPON ACCEPTING THE RESIGNATION

[Consider and act upon accepting the resignation of Scott Hoffner from Place 1 on the Rail District Advisory Board. (CSO/JD)]

OF SCOTT HOFFNER FROM PLACE 1 ON THE RAIL DISTRICT ADVISORY BOARD.

MR. HOFFNER HAS INDICATED HE NEEDS TO BE FOCUSING ON HIS BUSINESS. COUNCIL FOR A MOTION.

>> MOVE TO ACCEPT SCOTT'S RESIGNATION. SCOTT HOFFNER.

>> THAT PASSES 5 0. ITEM 34.

[Consider and act upon appointment of an individual to fill a vacancy for Place 1 - Business/Commercial Property Owner on the Rail District Advisory Board for a term ending on September 30, 2026. (CSO/JD)]

CONSIDER AND ACT UPON APPOINTMENT OF AN INDIVIDUAL TO FILL A VACANCY FOR PLACE 1 BUSINESS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNER ON THE RAIL DISTRICT ADVISORY BOARD FOR A TERM ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2026.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, MR. HOFFNER WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAD APPLIED THAT FIT THAT CRITERIA.

>> QUALIFIED.

>> I WILL SAY, I REACHED OUT TO DEREK SIMMS, WHO OWNS 811 AND OTHER RESTAURANTS IN FRISCO AND IS LOOKING AT OPENING ANOTHER BUSINESS IN THE RAIL DISTRICT, AND HE HAS INDICATED AN INTEREST TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD SHOULD COUNCIL WANT TO CONSIDER HIM.

BUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER PEOPLE?

>> WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE ON THE LIST? I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. I DON'T [OVERLAPPING]

>> NO ONE ELSE FIT. HE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT FIT THE POSITION.

>> DID MATT CALLOWAY NOT?

>> NO, HE DIDN'T HAVE A BUSINESS.

>> HE'S GOT CIBO.

>> CIBO.

>> YEAH. HE'S GOT CIBO KITCHENS.

>> CIBO KITCHENS.

>> YEAH.

>> I THOUGHT HE APPLIED, DID HE NOT?

>> HE DID. HE ACTUALLY TURNED OUT OF THAT BOARD ALREADY.

>> OH, HE ALREADY TURNED OUT OF IT?

>> YEAH.

>> OKAY, THEN.

>> BUT I DID ACTUALLY HAVE ANOTHER PERSON THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED DURING THE DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD, BUT IT WAS RICK COTTON.

HE'S THE PRESIDENT OF OLD TOWN.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD HAD WAS,

[02:40:03]

WELL, DOES HE HAVE A PHYSICAL LOCATION IN DOWNTOWN? HE DIDN'T AT THE TIME, BUT HE INFORMED ME THAT THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING INTO A LOCATION ON ELM STREET.

THEY ACTUALLY WILL HAVE A PHYSICAL LOCATION DOWNTOWN.

>> DO YOU KNOW WHEN?

>> HE DID NOT TELL ME AN EXACT DATE OF WHEN.

HE SAID, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS, AND HE GAVE ME THE PHYSICAL ADDRESS OF IT, SO IT SOUNDS PRETTY.

>> DID LEE FROM LA FINCA APPLY?

>> NO.

>> IF WE CAN GET DEREK SIMMS, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING.

>> DEREK SIMMS.

>> I THINK.

>> I'LL SECOND.

>> RICK COTTON HAS AN IDEA, BUT DEREK SIMMS HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF SUCCESS, AND HE'S COME BACK TO THE RAIL DISTRICT.

HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS GETTING INTO.

>> ANY OTHER?

>> I VOTE FOR DEREK SIMMS.

>> DEREK SIMMS.

>> MOTION BY JOHN FOR DEREK SIMMS.

>> SECOND BY BURT. ALL IN FAVOR?