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>> HERE WE GO. WE'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE TO
[CALL TO ORDER]
THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE FRISCO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.WE ARE GATHERED AT 6101 FRISCO SQUARE BOULEVARD, AND THE TIME IS 6:30 P.M.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CONSISTS OF FRISCO RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
TONIGHT COMMISSIONERS PRESENCE ARE SEAN MERRELL, WARREN RUIZ, STEVE CONE, BRITTANY COLBERG, MICHAEL HOWARD, TIFFANY WELLS, AND I, JON KENDALL YOUR CHAIR.
REPRESENTING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
WE HAVE JONATHAN LETTELLEIR, JONATHAN HUBBARD, ROLANDREA RUSSELL, SEAN AUCOIN, IRIEL WINFREY, PAMELA DANIEL, ISAIAH WOODBURY, CHRIS LEONARD IS GREETING US TODAY, AND ALSO HOLLY MARTIN.
FROM ENGINEERING, WE'VE GOT JOEL FITTS, AND FROM FIRE, WE HAVE ALYSSA BARSTOW. ANYONE I FORGOT?
>> [INAUDIBLE] SHOWING. WE'LL GET YOU ADDED [INAUDIBLE] ON THE RECORD.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA, IS CITIZEN INPUT.
IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION REGARDING ANY ITEMS THAT ARE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, YOU MAY DO SO AT THIS TIME.
PLEASE COMPLETE A BLUE SPEAKER CARD AND APPROACH THE PODIUM.
PRIOR TO YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
OUR MEETINGS ARE RECORDED, SO PLEASE SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE.
PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION, NOT TO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE OR THE APPLICANT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH TIME FOR ALL TO SPEAK, PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES UNLESS YOU MUST ADDRESS THE COMMISSION THROUGH TRANSLATOR, IN WHICH CASE YOU MAY HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 10 MINUTES.
PLEASE NOTE THE COMMISSION CANNOT DISCUSS OR TAKE SPECIFIC ACTION DURING CITIZEN INPUT ON ITEMS NOT ON THE POSTED AGENDA, EXCEPT TO PROVIDE A STATEMENT OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY, OR TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY, OR TO INDICATE THAT THE MATTER MAY BE PLACED ON A LATER AGENDA.
WITH THAT, IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK DURING CITIZEN INPUT? IF NOT, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES,
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
AND WE HAVE TWO THIS EVENING, ITEMS 2 AND 3.>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS FROM THE REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FROM AUGUST 12 OF 2025.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY BRITTANY.
>> SECOND BY TIFFANY. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 6:0.
>> CHECK [INAUDIBLE] THAT AS WELL. I'LL ALSO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE SPECIAL PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FROM AUGUST 19TH, 2025.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY BRITTANY.
>> SECOND BY SEAN. ALL IN FAVOR.
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 6:0. WITH THAT.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM THAT CONSIST OF NON-CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
ANY COMMISSION MEMBER MAKING SUCH REQUESTS PRIOR TO MOTION AND A VOTE OF THE CONSENT ITEM MAY CONSIDER ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY.ANY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO MAKE COMMENTS ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS MAY DO SO WITH MAJORITY APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSION.
WE HAVE ITEMS 4 THROUGH 16 THIS EVENING.
I KNOW THERE'S A FEW THAT NEED TO BE PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
BUT WITH THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS 4 THROUGH 6, 09, 11, AND 12, AND 14 THROUGH 16?
>> SECOND BY STEVE. ALL IN FAVOR.
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 6:0.
WITH THAT, WE'LL ASK SEAN TO STEP OUT.
>> WELL, I'M GOING TO WAIT AND SAVE FOR ONE OF THESE.
>> LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT SEAN HAS STEPPED OUT.
DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONSIDER A MOTION FOR ITEMS 7, 8, AND 10?
[Open Space Plan & Preliminary Site Plan: Hall Park, Phase C1, Block A, Lots 1 & 2; Hall Park, Phase C2, Block A, Lot 1; Hall Park, Phase C4, Block A, Lot 1; Hall Park, Phase C5, Block A, Lots 3 & 4 (OS25-0053 & PSP25-0029)]
[Open Space Plan & Preliminary Site Plan: Frisco MarketCenter, Block A, Lots 23 & 24 (OS25-0057 & PSP25-0030)]
[Open Space Plan & Site Plan: Cobb Business Park Addition, Block A, Lot 1 (OS25-0052 & SP25-0077)]
>> MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 7, 08, AND 10.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY BRITTANY.
>> SECOND BY TIFFANY. ALL IN FAVOR.
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 5:0.
IF SOMEONE WOULD GRAB OUR GOOD FRIEND, SEAN, AND WHILE HE DOES THAT, I WILL ASK MICHAEL HOWARD TO STEP OUT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] EXCHANGE. LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT SEAN HAS STEPPED BACK IN AND MICHAEL HOWARD HAS STEPPED OUT.
DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR A MOTION FOR ITEM 13 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA?
[Site Plan: Legacy Christian Academy, Block A, Lot 1R-1 (SP25-0061)]
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 13 ON CONSENT.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY TIFFANY.
>> SECOND BY SEAN. ALL IN FAVOR.
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 5:0. WITH THAT.
TONIGHT, WE HAVE FIVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE AGENDA, AND I WANT TO REVIEW THE PROCESS.
EACH PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS PERCEIVED BY A STAFF INTRODUCTION OF THE REQUEST.
THE APPLICANT IS THEN PERMITTED 10 MINUTES TO MAKE HIS OR HER PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION.
FOLLOWING QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT BY THE COMMISSION, THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ARE WELCOME TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
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ALL SPEAKERS, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT, NEED TO COMPLETE A SPEAKER CARD AND PROVIDE IT TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.IF THEY'RE ORGANIZED GROUPS IN ATTENDANCE, WE SUGGEST THAT YOU SELECT REPRESENTATIVES TO PRESENT YOUR POSITIONS.
PLEASE AVOID REPEAT WHAT HAS BEEN STATED BY PREVIOUS SPEAKERS OTHER THAN TO STATE THAT YOU AGREE WITH THEIR COMMENTS.
THE TIME LIMIT IS FIVE MINUTES PER SPEAKER TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
THE COMMISSION MEMBERS CAN VOTE TO LIMIT SPEAKING TIME IF A LARGE VOLUME OF PEOPLE ARE WISHING TO SPEAK.
PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU ONLY HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
REPEAT APPEARANCES TO THE PODIUM ARE NOT PERMITTED.
AFTER ALL PERSONS HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE CASE WILL BE CLOSED, AND NO FURTHER TESTIMONY WILL BE PERMITTED, UNLESS THE CASE IS TABLED TO A FUTURE DATE, AND THE COMMISSION INCLUDES IT IN THEIR MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO A FUTURE MEETING.
AFTER CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF OR THE APPLICANT.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ONLY MAKES A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING ZONING CASES.
UNLESS THE COMMISSION DISAPPROVES THE CASE AND THE APPLICANT DOES NOT APPEAL THE DISAPPROVAL, FINAL ACTION REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING BY CITY COUNCIL.
YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO CONTACT YOUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF AS TO WHEN THE CASE WILL BE CONSIDERED BY CITY COUNCIL.
>> FOR THE RECORD, THERE'S BE FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT.
>> THANK YOU. FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND YOU ONE OF THEM'S.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT CORRECTION.
>> CAN I ALSO SAY FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER HOWARD HAS RETURNED TO THE DIAS.
TEAMWORK. ITEM 17, OPEN SPACE PLAN AND SITE PLAN,
[Open Space Plan & Site Plan: Luminant, Block A, Lot 4 (OS25-0038 & SP25-0053)]
LUMINANT BLOCK A, LOT 4 (OS25-0038 & SP25-.0053), OWNERS NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THE ITEM THAT WAS JUST READ INTO THE RECORD THIS EVENING IS BEFORE YOU FOR DISAPPROVAL.
STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT IN GETTING THROUGH THE SUBMITTAL, AND THE MOST RECENT SUBMITTAL HAS BEEN FOUND NOT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, AND OTHER STANDARDS, AND SO THIS EVENING THE PLAN IS BEFORE YOU FOR DISAPPROVAL.
>> THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND DO THEY WISH TO SPEAK? THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WITH THAT, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR ENTERTAIN A MOTION?
>> I MOVE TO DISAPPROVE ITEM NUMBER 17 FOR THE REASONS IDENTIFIED IN THE STAFF'S REPORT AND DELEGATE TO STAFF THE AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE A WRITTEN STATEMENT TO THE APPLICANT OF THE REASONS FOR THE DISAPPROVAL.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY STEVE.
>> SECOND BY BRITTANY. ALL IN FAVOR.
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 6:0.
ITEM 17 HAS BEEN DENIED. ITEM 18.
[Public Hearing - Replat: Frisco Wal-Mart Addition, Block A, Lot 1 (RP25-0009)]
PUBLIC HEARING REPLAT FRISCO WAL-MART EDITION, BLOCK A, LOT 1 (SP25-0031), OWNERS WAL-MART REAL ESTATE BUSINESS TRUST.>> THANK YOU, CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS ITEM NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE TABLE.
>> SECOND BY TIFFANY. ALL IN FAVOR.
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 6:0.
THIS ITEM HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE TABLE. GO AHEAD, SEAN.
>> THE ITEM THAT WAS JUST READ INTO RECORD AND REMOVED FROM THE TABLE WAS SUBMITTED ON JULY 14TH.
ON AUGUST 12, THE P&Z COMMISSION APPROVED A 30-DAY EXTENSION, TABLED THE ITEM, AND CONTINUED THE PUBLIC HEARING TO TODAY'S MEETING.
THE APPLICANT NEEDS ADDITIONAL TIME TO ADDRESS STAFF'S COMMENTS AND REQUEST TO WITHDRAW THIS ITEM.
BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS.
>> IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND DO THEY WISH TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING PORTION IS ALREADY OPEN, SO IF THERE'S PEOPLE HERE THAT WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER.
>> WE ARE CLOSING IT BECAUSE WE'RE.
>> I SEE NO ONE HERE TO SPEAK.
I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY STEVE.
>> SECOND BY SEAN. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 6:0.
PUBLIC HEARING PORTION IS CLOSED FOR ITEM 18.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? DO I HAVE A MOTION?
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR US TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO WITHDRAW THIS ITEM.
>> SECOND BY TIFFANY. ALL IN FAVOR.
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 6:0.
THIS ITEM HAS BEEN REMOVED. ITEM 19.
PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS ONE FOR SEAN.
[Public Hearing - Replat: Prestmont Center, Block A, Lot 5 (RP25-0010)]
>> LET THE RECORD SHOW SEAN MERRELL HAS LEFT THE DIAS.
DOOR. PUBLIC HEARING REPLAT, PRESTMONT CENTER, BLOCK A, LOT 5 (RP25-0010) OWNERS AS 137 FRISCO RANCH LP AND AS 137 FRISCO RANCH PHASE 2 LP.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
AFTER THE AGENDA WAS POSTED, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED TO PROCEED WITH DISAPPROVAL.
AN UPDATED REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO EACH ONE OF Y'ALL REFLECTING THE CHANGES.
THE PROJECT IS RECOMMENDED FOR DISAPPROVAL AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND BASED ON THE REASONS STATED IN STAFF REPORT.
BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS.
>> I ASSUME THE APPLICANT IS NOT WANTING TO SPEAK, BUT THIS STILL IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING?
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>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY BRITTANY.
>> SECOND BY TIFFANY. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 5:0.
WE'RE IN PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 19. IS THERE ANYONE HERE?
>> MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY TIFFANY.
>> SECOND BY BRITTANY. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 5:0.
PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED FOR ITEM 19.
ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? THIS WILL BE THE TIME TO SPEAK UP AND PRESENT A MOTION.
>> I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
>> MY ITEM NUMBER 19 IS SAYING RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
WERE YOU JUST SAYING THIS WAS A RECOMMENDED?
>> CORRECT. UPDATED REPORT RIGHT THERE?
>> I SEE NOW. EVERYTHING JUST MADE SENSE. PERFECT.
>> YES. WE KNOW, WE HAD A LITTLE PAPER THAT THEY MADE IT EDIT.
>> IN THAT CASE, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO A RECOMMENDATION FOR DISAPPROVAL FOR THE REASONS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT ON ITEM NUMBER 19.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY BRITTANY.
>> SECOND BY TIFFANY. ALL IN FAVOR.
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 5:0.
WITH THAT ALWAYS WONDERFUL IN GRABBING SEAN, AS I READ IN ITEM 20.
[Public Hearing - Replat: Rollertown Frisco Addition, Block A, Lot 1 (RP25-0014)]
PUBLIC HEARING REPLAT, ROLLERTOWN FRISCO EDITION, BLOCK A, LOT 1, RP 25-0014, OWNERS, CITY OF FRISCO.AS YOU SPEAK, ROLANDREA, LET THE RECORD SHOW SEAN IS BACK IN THE ROOM. GO AHEAD.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THE REPLAT THAT WAS JUST READ INTO THE RECORD IS BEFORE YOU FOR APPROVAL THIS EVENING AND THE PURPOSE OF THE REPLAT IS TO DEDICATE NECESSARY EASEMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT AS IT IS NEARING COMPLETION.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> NO QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT YET.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING?
>> SECOND BY SEAN. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 6:0.
WE ARE IN PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 20.
>> SEEING NO ONE TO SPEAK, MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> SECOND BY STEVE. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 6:0.
PUBLIC HEARING PORTION IS CLOSED FOR ITEM 20.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE SEE A MOTION?
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 20.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY TIFFANY.
>> SECOND BY MICHAEL. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 6:0.
CONGRATULATIONS. ITEM 21, PUBLIC HEARING,
[Public Hearing - Zoning Ordinance amendment: Amendment to the Zoning Ordinance (ZA25-0003)]
ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE ZA25-0003, OWNERS, CITY OF FRISCO.>> GOOD EVENING, CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS.
COULD YOU PLEASE REMOVE THIS FROM THE TABLE?
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY BRITTANY.
>> SECOND BY STEVE. ALL IN FAVOR.
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 6:0.
THE SIGN HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE TABLE, AND WE'LL CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> CHRIS LEONARD, PLANNING MANAGER.
THIS IS A REVIEW OF THE LAND USE CHART, LOOKING AT USES THAT ARE MORE ADEPT AT CREATING WALKABILITY AND NOT AS MUCH AUTO ORIENTED USES AND MAYBE SOME OUTDATED USES THAT AREN'T REALLY RELEVANT.
IN THE TABLE, THERE ARE FOUR STATUSES THAT THESE USES CAN BE DETERMINED AS.
THEY CAN BE PERMITTED, PROHIBITED, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, WHICH MEANS IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, AND WE COULD GIVE IT CONDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS WELL.
THE PROPOSALS, LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THE ONES THAT WE AIMED AT WERE SERVICES THAT LEND THEMSELVES TO DRIVE THROUGHS OR AUTOCENTRIC, INDUSTRIAL OUTDATED, AND THEY ENCOURAGE VISITORS AND WALKABILITY.
THIS IS THE EXTENT OF THE OTC ZONING DISTRICT.
THIS WOULD BE WHERE THE PROPOSALS WOULD TAKE EFFECT.
HERE IS THE STATUSES OF THE PROPOSED PERMITTED USES.
COMMUNITY CENTER, HOME OCCUPATION USES.
THE CURRENT STATUS IS WHAT THEY'RE AT TODAY.
THE PROPOSED STATUS WOULD BE PERMITTED.
HERE IS A LIST OF THE PROHIBITED USES THAT WE'VE PROPOSED.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THE LIST ENTIRELY.
>> THEN HERE IS THE TWO USES FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT,
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A FLEA MARKET AND A NEIGHBORHOOD THEATER.CONDITIONAL USES. AGAIN, MOST OF THESE CONDITIONS WOULD BE PROHIBITING DRIVE THROUGHS, EXCEPT FOR THE LAST ONE, WHICH IS MORE OF A HOUSEKEEPING, THE DANCE HALL WOULD BE COMBINED WITH THE BANQUET MEETING HALL.
HERE'S THE LIST JUST FOR A REFERENCE.
>> THAT LAST LISTS SO THAT SAY IN THE AUDIENCE CAN SEE THAT RIGHT THERE. THERE'S ALL THE MOMENT.
>> THIS IS THE LIST OF ALL 175 USES.
I HIGHLIGHTED THE ONES THAT THESE YELLOW ONES ARE THE CONDITIONAL STANDARDS, THE GRAY ONES ARE THE PROHIBITED, SO IT'S JUST I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE CONTEXT OF THE AMOUNT OF USES, AND THIS IS THE OTC AGAIN.
THESE ARE ALL THE PROHIBITED USES IN THE OTC.
>> BUT WE GO BACK, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE ENOUGH TIME IF IT'S TAKE A PICTURE OR FOR A MOMENT.
>> THEN THE PROHIBIT HERE IS THE HOME OCCUPATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE PERMITTED, AND THEN THE FLEA MARKET IS A SUP.
>> ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, GO BACK, HOME OCCUPATION IS GREEN, WAS THAT?
>> WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT TO PERMITTED.
>> THEN THESE ARE SUP OR CONDITIONAL COMMUNITY CENTER, WE'LL BRING THAT TO PERMITTED, AND THEN THE GRAY ONES MOVE TO PROHIBITED.
>> JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE IN AN AUDIENCE, THE SUP IS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT OR SOMETIMES [INAUDIBLE].
>> CHRIS, FOR THE RECORD, FOR THE [INAUDIBLE], YOU JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SUP AND THE CONDITIONAL?
>> [NOISE] THE CONDITIONAL CAN BE APPROVED OR DENIED HERE AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING.
THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.
>> WONDERFUL. I THINK WE MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I DO SEE SOME HEARING TENANTS.
OUR PUBLIC HEARING IS ALREADY OPEN.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, I KNOW WE HAVE TWO, BUT IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL PEOPLE, PLEASE FILL OUT A BLUE SPEAKER CARD AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE INCLUDED.
IS YOUR NAME IS RED, PLEASE COME ON UP.
>> SURE. IF WE CAN PLEASE HAVE CASEY PACKER, AND THEN NEXT WILL BE DENNIS FRANCIS, IF HE WANTS TO GO AHEAD AND GET READY.
>> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
MY HUSBAND AND I ARE THE OWNERS OF DIVINE AUDIO VISUAL.
WE ARE IN THE RAIL DISTRICT ON MAIN STREET.
I HAD SPOKEN WITH CHRIS HERE AT CITY HALL, BUT THERE WERE DEFINITELY A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE NOT PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.
NOW THAT I'M READING THESE POWERPOINTS MORE EFFECTIVELY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT NUMBER 1 THAT THESE BE PUBLISHED OR ACCESSIBLE TO INDIVIDUALS SUCH AS MYSELF, EMBODY ELSE IN THE RAIL DISTRICT, BECAUSE THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME AREAS OF THIS THAT ARE CONCERNING WHERE WE HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL FOR LIKE SMALL ENGINE REPAIR SHOPS, AND THERE ARE STORIED INSTITUTIONS AS PART OF THE RAIL DISTRICT THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME LIKE THIRD STREET GARAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT I DON'T THINK SHOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM BEING THERE.
THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
THEY'RE LONG STANDING MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THEY PROVIDE SERVICES, ESPECIALLY HERE IN SMALL TOWN FRISCO.
I THINK THIS INFORMATION BEING PUBLIC AND MORE ADVERTISE WOULD BE HELPFUL IN HELPING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING ON IN THE RAIL DISTRICT.
AS YOU GUYS WELL KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE RAIL DISTRICT,
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THE STREETS ARE TORN UP, BUSINESSES ARE SUFFERING.TO SEE PEOPLE STRUGGLING LIKE THIS, AND THEN HAVE THESE THINGS START TO HAPPEN UNDER THIS GUISE, THIS QUIET, THIS GRAY TYPE OF SITUATION IS DEFINITELY WORRISOME FOR THOSE OF US THAT WORK HARD AND WANT TO STAY HERE IN FRISCO AND MAKE MONEY FOR THE CITY.
IF THIS CAN BE PUBLISHED, THAT WOULD BE OUTSTANDING FOR MORE CONVERSATION TO TAKE PLACE. THANK YOU.
>> I DO WANT TO COMMENT. IT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED.
THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.
>> IT'S ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE UNDER GOVERNMENT UPCOMING MEETINGS, AND SO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE DATE OF AUGUST 26TH.
>> YOU NEED TO RETURN BACK TO THE MICK THAT'S A SAY.
>> MY SPECIFICITY LIES IN EXACTLY WHAT I'M SEEING RIGHT HERE.
I'VE CALLED, I'VE CHATTED WITH PEOPLE.
NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE LISTED ANYWHERE, SPECIFICALLY THESE POWERPOINTS.
>> WHAT WE CAN DO IS AFTERWARDS, MR. [INAUDIBLE] LET WHO TO CONTACT OVER HERE.
BUT I GET, IT'S A VERY ROBUST WEBSITE, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE ONE OF THESE STAFF CAN DIRECT EVERYONE TO WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
I KNOW I WAS ABLE TO ACCESS IT, BUT ALSO I GET ON IT ALL THE TIME, SO I KNOW WHERE IT GOES.
IF ANYONE AFTERWARDS, WE'LL HAVE SOMEONE OVER HERE THAT CAN GUIDE YOU TO WHERE IT IS PUBLISHED.
>> I'D LOVE TO GUIDE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE RAIL DISTRICT TO IT AS WELL WHO'VE HAD CHALLENGES FINDING IT.
I WILL TELL YOU, AS WORKING IN A TECH COMPANY, WE'RE AUTOMATION SPECIALISTS.
IF WE CAN'T FIND IT, IT'S HARD FOR OTHERS TO FIND IT AS WELL, JUST SO I CAN BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I'M FROM LITTLE ELM PERSONALLY, LIKE, I LIVE THERE SO I DO A LOT OF WORK WITH CITY COUNCIL OVER THERE.
FRISCO'S WEBSITE IS MORE CHALLENGING TO USE, LESS USER FRIENDLY, AND THAT CAN CREATE CHALLENGES FOR THOSE WANTING TO ENGAGE IN A CIVIC MANNER, SO YOU'RE AWARE.
>> OUT, WHAT'S IN THE PACKET? THAT'S NOT IN THE PACKET, BUT WHAT'S IN THE PACKET IS A LIST OF USES THAT ARE CHANGING.
>> IS THAT THE CHART THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING? YES.
>> PERFECT. IF WE COULD PLEASE HAVE DENNIS FRANCIS.
>> AS DENNIS IS COMING UP, IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC HEARING, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE ON THIS ITEM, JUST GRAB A BLUE SPEAKER CARD.
>> HELLO. MY NAME IS DENNIS FRANCIS AND MY HOME ADDRESS IS 10200 NORTH COUNTY RAN FRISCO, AND I AM THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AT 6733 MAIN STREET, AND IN THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS AND THE DEPOT CAFE.
WE'VE BEEN IN THE SAME LOCATION FOR 65 YEARS AS THE FAMILY.
I'VE ALWAYS HAD GAS, AND WE'VE ALWAYS SOLD GROCERIES.
A WEEK AGO, I GOT A POSTCARD IN THE MAIL REGARDING THIS AMENDMENT HEARING, AND THAT'S THE FIRST I'D HEARD OF IT.
AND ON THE POSTCARD, IT SAYS THE CITY OF FRISCO IS HOLDING A HEARING THAT WILL DETERMINE WHETHER YOU MAY LOSE THE RIGHT TO CONTINUE USING YOUR PROPERTY FOR THE CURRENT USE.
THE GUT PUNCH WHEN I SAW THAT.
NOT KNOWING WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIKE, AT FIRST I HEARD ABOUT IT.
I'M HERE TO OPPOSE THE ZONING BECAUSE, MAKES MY BUSINESS HARD IF I EVER WANT TO SELL IT OR IF I WANT TO REFINANCE.
WE'RE JUST HERE TO OPPOSE THE NON CONFORMING.
LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN IN HERE FOR MANY DECADES SERVING THE CITY OF FRISCO, THE RESIDENTS FOR A LONG TIME, HOPEFULLY A LOT LONGER.
BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ONE, IS HAS THIS AMENDMENT BEEN PROPOSED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BEFORE?
>> WE WON'T ANSWER UNTIL YOU'RE DONE, WE'LL HAVE SOME STAFF. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEN THE OTHER ONE IF APPROVED TONIGHT, WHEN WILL IT GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
IF THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES, WHEN WILL THE ZONING AMENDMENT BE EFFECTIVE AND THE LAST QUESTION IS THE FIRST WE'VE HEARD OF THIS ZONING AMENDMENT WAS ONE WEEK AGO.
I PLEAD THAT THE COMMISSION WILL TABLE THIS AMENDMENT AND ALLOW US TO GATHER EVIDENCE TO FORM OUR OWN ARGUMENT.
AGAIN, HOPEFULLY WE'LL REMAIN CONFORMING. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE].
>> DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON ITEM 21?
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>> YES, I DO HAVE A NEW CARD. THAT'S OKAY.
FROM RICK KAUTEN, IF YOU COULD PLEASE SPEAK.
>> HI I'M RICK KAUTEN FROM THE FRISCO OLD TOWN COMMUNITY.
>> IF YOU CAN GIVE US AN ADDRESS, TOO.
>> 12894 GARDENDALE DRIVE, FRISCO, TEXAS 75035.
WHILE I SEE A LOT OF SOME BENEFITS WITH REGARD TO HOW THIS CAN HELP CHANGE THE MIX THAT'S IN THE RAIL DISTRICT, I HAVE SIMILAR CONCERNS AND ALSO JUST FROM A COMMUNICATION STANDPOINT OF AND I GUESS, MY BIGGEST QUESTION IS REALLY, DO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT IF THIS TAKES EFFECT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ONE TO AN EXISTING BUSINESS? WILL THEY ALL OF A SUDDEN BE TOLD THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO OPERATE? OR DOES IT ONLY BECOME AN ISSUE WHEN THE BUSINESS TRANSFERS, BUT IF THE BUSINESS IS SOLD IN WHOLE, DO THEY CONTINUE TO OPERATE UNDER THAT, OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE A CHANGE IN BUSINESS NAME, BUSINESS ENTITY? SOME OF THOSE GUIDELINES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT REALLY HAPPENS, WHEN IS IT THAT AN EXISTING BUSINESS UNDER ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES WOULD NO LONGER BE ABLE TO? BECAUSE THE CARD THAT WAS SENT OUT DID ELICIT A KNEE JERK REACTION FROM OR JUST A REACTION FROM PEOPLE WHEN THEY GOT IT BECAUSE IT MADE IT SOUND LIKE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY THE CASE.
THE OTHER PART OF THAT WOULD BE, EVEN IF IT DOES TAKE, TAKE EFFECT, THEN FOR THOSE BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOOKING TO TRY TO SELL, THAT TO DENNIS' POINT, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IF YOU'VE BEEN BUILDING UP A BUSINESS FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, YOU'RE LOOKING TO TRY TO SELL THAT BUSINESS.
YOU MAY BE LOOKING AT THAT AS PART OF YOUR RETIREMENT.
SO WHAT DOES THAT DO WITH REGARD TO THAT? THAT'S TAKEN OUT OF YOUR HANDS AT THAT POINT.
AGAIN, I SEE BENEFITS OF THE CHANGES FROM HELPING THE RAIL DISTRICT TO EVOLVE.
BUT SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS AND JUST EXPLAINING WHAT THE REAL REPERCUSSIONS ARE.
A SUGGESTION MIGHT BE IF THERE'S A WAY TO IDENTIFY THE SPECIFIC BUSINESSES THAT ALREADY FALL INTO THOSE CATEGORIES, AND SOMEHOW EITHER HAVING A SPECIFIC MEETING OR MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE AWARE THAT THIS IS HAPPENING? BECAUSE I KNOW COMMUNICATION IS ALWAYS HARD, AND I DON'T WANT TO HOLD EVERYBODY'S HAND.
BUT FOR SOME PEOPLE, THIS MAY BE A VERY BIG DEAL TO THEM.
THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE TO SAY.
>> THANK YOU. BEFORE I LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? THIS IS YOUR LAST OPPORTUNITY FOR WE?
>> JOHN, CAN WE HAVE THE FIRST SPEAKER COME UP AND STATE HER ADDRESS? YOU NEVER STATED HER ADDRESS? FOR THE RECORD.
>> FOR THE RECORD, I'M WITH DEVIN AUDIO VISUAL, WHICH IS 6842 MAIN STREET, SUITE 103 FRISCO, TEXAS, 75033. THANK YOU.
>> IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM? [BACKGROUND]
>> I'M SORRY. [OVERLAPPING] WHAT WE JUST WALKING THROUGH WHEN THE PROCESS IS WE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH AND SHARE SOME THINGS.
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YET DOWN.
BUT IF SOMEONE THAT HASN'T SPOKEN IS THE LAST CALL.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE ITEM 21?
>> SECOND BY TIFFANY. IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 60.
THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF ITEM 21 HAS BEEN CLOSED.
>> ONE THING I WOULD SUGGEST IS PER THE AGENDA, GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSULT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
GO OVER WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO BY STATE LAW.
I PREFER THAT DISCUSSION, AND THEN WE CAN COME OUT AND ANSWER.
>> GREAT. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION.
>> YOU GOT THE WORDING ON HERE THAT YOU GOT TO READ.
>> DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION?
>> FOR THE RECORD, THAT WOULD BE PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.071 OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR 551.071 TO GO INTO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY BRITTANY.
>> SECOND BY TIFFANY. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 60.
WE'RE GOING TO STEP INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
TIME SHOULDN'T BE MORE THAN A FEW MINUTES, BUT WE'LL BE BACK HERE SHORTLY.
I'M WALKING BACK. JUST FOR RECORD,
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AS WE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551-071, RECORDS SHOW THAT NO ACTION WAS TAKEN DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION.WITH THAT, WE'RE JUMPING BACK INTO ITEM 21.
THE PUBLIC PORTION HAS BEEN CLOSED.
CHRIS, WE GO DOWN TO ICE, BUT I'M GOING TO JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
FOR SOME CLARIFICATIONS AS RESIDENTS ASK QUESTIONS.
IF THIS WERE APPROVED, THIS WOULD GO FORTH TO CITY COUNCIL IN ABOUT THREE WEEKS, MID SEPTEMBER, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> YES. THAT'S TRUE. I THINK THE SEPTEMBER 16TH. I'M SORRY.
>> ONE QUESTION, HAS THIS COME BEFORE US? I KNOW IN MY YEARS I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS COME BEFORE US.
I KNOW IT COME I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN HERE.
>> A REVISION OF THE LAND USE CHART?
>> HAVE WE REVISED THE LAND USE CHART?
>> HAS THIS AMENDMENT COME BEFORE PLAN ZONING BEFORE?
>> AS FAR AS AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND USE CHARTS?
>> NOT THE LAND USE CHART SPECIFIC TO DOWNTOWN.
>> THERE WAS ONE RESIDENT, JUST WANT TO SAY, HAS THE PLAN ZONING COMMISSION SEEN THIS PROPOSAL BEFORE SPECIFICALLY?
>> YES. CHRIS CAN ANSWER THAT.
>> WELL, THIS CASE HAS BEEN TABLED BEFORE, AND THERE WAS ONE PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT THAT WE COULDN'T DO IT.
>> I HAVE BEFORE ASKED BY OF THE HISTORY.
>> IT WAS A REQUEST TO TABLE, THOUGH, CORRECT?
>> WE HAD A WORK SESSION WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
TO REVIEW THAT ALONG WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARD SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
>> SOME QUESTIONS JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
MIGHT BE YES, NO, OR YOU'RE WELCOME GOING IN DETAIL.
AS WE WENT THROUGH THIS, THERE WAS A FEW THINGS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BECOME NON CONFORMING, BEING A DRIVE THROUGH OR A GAS STATION.
IF THIS WERE APPROVED, THOSE BUSINESSES WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO OPERATE AS IS, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> NOTHING WOULD CHANGE, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO SELL THE BUSINESS TO DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A FAMILY MEMBER, IF THEY WERE TO SELL THE BUSINESS, AS LONG AS THEY JUST STAY IN CONFORMING, THEY'D CONTINUE TO OPERATE FOR EVER FOR LACK OF BETTER WORD?
>> YES, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO OPERATE.
THEY CANNOT CEASE OPERATIONS FOR MORE THAN SIX MONTHS.
>> AS LONG AS THEY'RE CONFORMING WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S IN OPERATIONAL, NO ONE'S HAVING ANY BUSINESSES SHUT DOWN?
>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE OF THAT.
WOULD YOU SAY THE PURPOSE OF US GOING THROUGH THIS IS WE'RE TRYING TO GROW FRISCO.
I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE DOWNTOWN EVEN BETTER.
A LOT OF THIS THING THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS JUST SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW, YOU COULD DO A ADDITIONAL FUEL STATIONS.
I KNOW WE HAVE TWO, BUT THIS IS PROTECTING THAT WE DON'T HAVE 10 MORE FUEL STATIONS.
TWO GAS STATIONS, THAT WOULD BE.
WE DON'T WANT THREE, LIKE YOU SAID, AND AND IT'S BETTER FOR THE DOWNTOWN.
IS THAT ZONING DISTRICT IS THAT IT.
THAT'S THE ONLY OTC IN THE CITY, SO WE NEED TO BE MORE MINDFUL OF WHAT LAND USES ARE THERE.
>> THE LIST THAT WE'RE TRYING TO NARROW IT DOWN, SEEMS, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED REALLY EARLY, MAKE IT MORE WALK CENTRIC RATHER THAN AUTOMOTIVE CENTRIC.
WOULD THAT BE THE MAIN REASON BEHIND ELIMINATING A DRIVE THROUGH, ELIMINATING FUTURE ADDITIONAL PUMP STATIONS, THINGS THAT ARE MORE JUST FAST GO RATHER THAN TRY TO CREATE THINGS THAT ARE WALKABLE?
>> YES. THAT WAS THE MAIN THOUGHT BEHIND THIS EXERCISE.
>> WONDERFUL. I THINK THAT'S ANSWERED MOST OF MINE.
CHRIS, HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO DOWNTOWN BEFORE ABOUT THIS TYPE OF PROJECT COMING DOWN? HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO ANY OF THE USERS ABOUT WHAT THE GOAL IS DOWN HERE?
>> WE DID A PRESENTATION TO THIS AT THE OLD TOWN COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
WE'VE MET WITH THE RAIL DISTRICT ADVISORY BOARD.
WE PRESENTED TO THEM THESE AMENDMENTS.
FROM THE POSTCARD COMMUNICATION, I'VE GOTTEN A NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS AND EXPLAINED TO THEM WHAT A NON CONFORMING USE IS.
THEIR CONCERNS WERE SATISFIED AFTER THAT EXPLANATION, I THOUGHT.
>> WONDERFUL. THIS IS WHERE I'M GOING ON MY OPINION, NOT CITY.
I KNOW THERE WAS ONE REST CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO REFINANCE OR GET BANK LOANS IF YOU'RE NON CONFORMING, BUT YOU STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO TO OPERATE DOWNTOWN.
YOUR BUSINESS IS NOT IN ANY THREAT.
I THINK YOU CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE CITY AND THE CITY
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CAN WORK WITH YOU AND LETTING YOU KNOW THAT YOU STILL HAVE PERMISSION TO OPERATE PERMISSION TO SELL YOUR BUSINESS.IN MANY WAYS, I JUST FELT LIKE IT'S PROTECTING THOSE THAT ALREADY HAVE THEIR BUSINESS THERE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ADDITIONAL DRIVE THROUGHS COMING IN.
THEY DON'T HAVE ADDITIONAL PUMPS COMING IN, BUT ALMOST STRENGTHENS THEIR BUSINESS.
THAT'S HOW I KIND OF UNDERSTOOD IT AS I READ IT. BUT WONDERFUL.
NOTIFICATIONS. HAVE WE MET ALL CITY CODE OR STATE CODE OF NOTIFYING ANYONE THAT WAS REQUIRED?
>> YES. POSTCARDS WERE SENT 10 DAYS PRIOR, AND ALL THE TRADITIONAL STATE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS WERE MET, TOO.
>> I APPRECIATE IT. VERY HELPFUL, PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE COLOR TO THAT. YES.
>> I WANT TO SAY ONE THING, THE POSTCARD THAT WAS SENT OUT AND THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS USED, THAT IS MANDATED BY THE STATE.
SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER WAY, BUT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO HAVE THAT ON THE MAILER.
>> AND SOMETHING OUT OF OUR CONTROL BECAUSE I KNOW OUR CITY DOES A GREAT JOB WITH COMMUNICATION, BUT WE DO HAVE TO SOMETIMES FOLLOW STATE LAW.
GO DOWN THAT'S, TIFFANY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
>> NOT A PARTICULAR QUESTION, BUT I GUESS A SUGGESTION.
IN TERMS OF, I KNOW TONIGHT, I HEARD A LOT OF, I GUESS, PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING CONFORMING VERSUS NON CONFORMING.
AND IF THIS IS APPROVED OR EITHER BEFORE COUNSEL OR AFTER COUNSEL, MAYBE HAVING SOME FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTION OR FACT SHEET ON A WEBSITE TO MINIMIZE THE CONFUSION FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT'S IN THERE, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN PARTICULAR FOR THE NON CONFORMING USES AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THEM GOING FORWARD IF THIS IS APPROVED.
>> MICHAEL, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
>> JUST TO ADD ON TO WHAT TIFFANY SAID, EVEN IF THAT WEREN'T TO OCCUR, THERE ALREADY ARE PUBLISHED REGULATIONS ON WHAT IT MEANS TO BE LEGALLY NON CONFORMING.
COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY FOR THE AUDIENCE WHERE THOSE ARE LOCATED IF THEY WANTED TO GO READ THEM?
>> THEY'RE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
IT'S AN INTERACTIVE ONLINE ORDINANCE.
IT'S NOT A STATIC DOCUMENT, SO YOU CAN EASILY TRAVEL THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, AND IT'S TEXAS.GOV ZONING.
>> WHAT WE CAN DO THERE AFTER THIS IS DONE, CAN HAVE CHRIS SET UP A MEETING WITH THE AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS AND JUST WALK THROUGH THE PROCESS.
>> AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE INTERACTIVE ORDINANCE THAT CHRIS WAS REFERRING TO, SPECIFICALLY, IT'S WITHIN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 63, WHICH IS THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THOSE ARE THE REGULATIONS ON LEGALLY EXISTING NON CONFORMING USES, AND IT GOES THROUGH IN QUITE SOME DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THE LEGAL OUTCOME IS IF YOU ARE CLASSIFIED AS A LEGALLY EXISTING NON CONFORMING USE, WHAT RIGHTS YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE? WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES APPLY TO YOU? BUT THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD FIND THOSE REGULATIONS.
>> GO BRING YOU ANY QUESTIONS FOR IT.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I JUST MINDFUL OF GOOD ADVICE THAT I GOT BEFORE I WAS A PNC MEMBER, THAT IT'S VERY GOOD TO NOT HAVE ANY PRECONCEIVED DECISIONS PRIOR TO TONIGHT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LISTENING TO OUR CITIZENS AND TAKING WHAT WE KNOW STAFF DOES SO DILIGENTLY WELL AND COMBINING THAT WITH WHAT WE WANT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO THEN GET PASSED UP TO THEM.
AND WITH THAT, I AM CONFIDENT THAT OUR STAFF DOES SUCH AN EXCELLENT JOB WITH JUST ALWAYS LOOKING TO THE BEST OF FRISCO, TRYING TO BE VERY DETAILED WITH, AGAIN, LOOKING AFTER RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES.
AND I'M ALWAYS SO PROUD TO BE IN THIS CITY. TRULY AM.
AND ALSO HEARING CITIZENS CONCERNS TONIGHT AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THE RAIL DISTRICT FEELS JUST THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO CALL IT, ALMOST LIKE IT'S JUST A BATTLEGROUND RIGHT NOW, WAITING THROUGH SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE AMAZING WHEN IT'S DONE, BUT I KNOW DIFFICULT RIGHT NOW.
SO FOR ME, SEEING THIS AHEAD OF TIME, I WAS SO EXCITED ABOUT AND SEEING THE WISDOM BEHIND MAKING THESE CHANGES TO, AS COMMISSIONER KENDALL POINTED OUT, THAT WE DON'T HAVE TIN GAS STATIONS.
SO MANY OF THESE THINGS WERE VERY THOUGHTFULLY PUT TOGETHER FOR THE FUTURE.
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BUT FOR ME TONIGHT, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT I WOULD LOVE TO TABLE TO WORK OUT SOME DETAILS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY CONCERNS ARE TRULY A NON ISSUE, AND THEY VERY WELL MIGHT BE.BUT MY GUTS TELLING ME THAT A LITTLE MORE TIME MIGHT BE WORTH IT SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THERE'S ALL THE DETAILS ARE COVERED, AND EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE AS EXCELLENT AS I KNOW THAT Y'ALL WANT IT TO BE.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY WISH IS THAT WE TABLE THIS JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
>> I HAVE TO CONCUR WITH WHAT WAS JUST SAID ABOUT, THE STAFF HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH THIS.
THIS IS NOT EASY TO FIGURE THESE THINGS OUT.
WE'VE HAD A WORK SESSION, WE'VE TALKED TO THINGS, STAFF HAS MADE CHANGES.
SO THE GENERAL CONCEPT IS GOOD.
EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS IS REALLY GOOD.
BUT THE CHALLENGES IF SOMETHING IS 90 OR 95% GOOD, THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS TO BE ADDRESSED, ESPECIALLY IF CITIZENS COME FORWARD AND MAYBE ASK QUESTIONS THAT WE HADN'T THOUGHT OF BEFORE.
I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS THE NUMBER ONE THING IS WHEN WE HEAR NEW QUESTIONS FROM CITIZENS.
IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ANSWER THOSE.
ONE MORE STATEMENT AND A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE CITY HAS COMPLIED WITH ALL REQUIRED NOTIFICATIONS FOR THIS ZONING CHANGE.
>> FOR CHANGING THE ORDINANCE, WHICH INCLUDES SOME MAYBE UNFORTUNATE WORDING REQUIRED BY STATE LAW THAT I FEAR BY READING THAT, IF I WAS A BUSINESS OWNER DOWNTOWN, IT WOULD CONCERN ME GETTING THAT CARD AND READING THAT.
I WILL STATE I WISH THAT WE HAD TAKEN SOME NON REQUIRED STEPS, AND MAYBE IF IT WERE TO WORK OUT THAT IT GOT TABLED AND WE HAD TIME TO DO THAT WHERE IF I WAS A BUSINESS OWNER THAT WAS GOING TO HAVE A NON CONFORMING BUSINESS AS A RESULT OF THIS, I WOULD FEEL MUCH BETTER IF I HAD A FACE TO FACE CONVERSATION TO HAVE A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE BUSINESS OWNERS READ THROUGH, AND THEN HAVING A CHANCE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS FACE TO FACE.
WE ALWAYS MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.
THERE'S ALWAYS SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT SOMETIMES WE CAN DO.
THIS MAY BE ONE OF THOSE SCENARIOS.
I CAN'T DO IT ALL THE TIME FOR EVERY SINGLE CASE, BUT THIS SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY BIG DEAL IF I WAS A DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNER.
A COUPLE OF TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, CHRIS, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT'S GOING TO NO LONGER BE ALLOWED IS CALLED A HOMEBUILDER MARKETING CENTER AND I JUST HAD A TECHNICAL QUESTION.
I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MODEL HOMES WHERE MOST HOMEBUILDERS SELL OUT OF MODEL HOMES AND NEIGHBORHOODS AND STUFF.
IF A HOMEBUILDER WANTED TO SET UP A STOREFRONT AND WANTED TO RENT, 500 SQUARE FEET OR 100 SQUARE FEET OR SOMETHING AND WANTED TO JUST SET UP A STOREFRONT, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER RETAIL OR ANY OTHER STOREFRONT IN A DOWNTOWN AREA, WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LIKE A SEPARATE STANDALONE MODEL.
A BIG THING, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THEY WANT TO HAVE A STOREFRONT IN LIEU OF HAVING A MODEL HOME.
WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT?
>> THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER TIME, WE DON'T HAVE THE USE FOR BUGGY WHIPS AND MAKING CARRIAGES.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME ABOUT LIKE 20 YEARS AGO AS, THERE WAS A LOT OF VACANT LAND IN THE CITY.
AND SO THERE WAS THIS TREND AND WE SAW IT.
I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS EVER USED, BUT THEY NEVER FOLLOWED THROUGH OF DOING ONE OF THESE.
INSTEAD, THEY USED ONE OF THE HOMES A MALL HOME FOR THAT PURPOSE.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT NEVER GOT USED? SO NOW, IF A BUILDER WANTS TO COME IN AND PUT A THEIR PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, THEY COULD DO THAT.
BUT IT'S A USE THAT JUST HASN'T BEEN USED.
>> AND WE TALKED ABOUT I HAVE NOT SEEN IT USED IN DOWNTOWN FRISCO.
I BELIEVE I'VE SEEN THIS IN OTHER DOWNTOWN, OTHER SMALL PLACES WHERE HOMEBUILDERS TYPICALLY WILL DO A MODEL HOME IF THERE'S 20 OR 30 OR MORE LOTS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY CAN JUSTIFY THE COST OF THAT, BUT IT'S CONCEIVABLE THAT I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY IF A HOMEBUILDER WANTED TO COME RENT 1,000 SQUARE FEET AND OPERATE A MARKETING CENTER, AS PART OF A STRIP MALL IN DOWNTOWN OR AS PART OF ANOTHER BUILDING OR SOMETHING, WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT? OR WOULD THIS SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT THAT USE IN A STOREFRONT?
>> THE MARKETING CENTER WOULD BE PROHIBITED AND LIKE YOU MENTIONED THE TOWNS, I BET THERE WERE SMALLER TOWNS.
IT'S JUST THIS IS A USE THAT'S NOT POPPED UP, AND I BET THE LAND PRICES WERE DICTATE OTHERWISE IF GOING SOMEPLACE ELSE THAT WAS LESS EXPENSIVE THAN DOWNTOWN.
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>> SO THE ANSWER JUST IT WOULD BE PROHIBITED THEN, IF THEY?
>> THANK YOU. THE SECOND QUESTION IS, CHRIS, ON THE LAUNDROMAT VERSUS A DRY CLEANERS.
I GUESS IN MY MIND, IT MAKES SENSE THAT EITHER A DRY CLEANER AND A LAUNDROMAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED AT ALL IN DOWNTOWN OR BOTH OF THEM WOULD BE ALLOWED.
CAN YOU CLARIFY THE THINKING BEHIND ALLOWING A MINOR DRY CLEANER AND NOT ALLOWING A LAUNDROMAT?
>> WELL, MOST PEOPLE HAVE THE WASHING MACHINE AND THE DRYER IN THEIR HOMES.
>> VERSUS YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT SERVICE IN YOUR HOUSE AS A DRY CLEANER.
YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DRY CLEAN YOUR CLOTHES IN YOUR HOUSE.
>> BUT FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO DON'T HAVE A WASHER AND DRYER, AND THERE'S A LAUNDROMAT THAT CURRENTLY OPERATES ON MAIN STREET, AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A JUDGMENT CALL THAT THERE ARE ENOUGH CUSTOMERS TO KEEP IT IN BUSINESS, SO THERE'S ENOUGH DEMAND FOR IT FOR AT LEAST ONE.
WE KNOW THAT NEWER HOMES TYPICALLY HAVE WASHER AND DRYERS.
WE KNOW THAT THE MAJORITY OF OLDER HOMES IN FRISCO ARE DOWNTOWN.
MY QUESTION IS FOR THOSE RESIDENTS WHO CURRENTLY USE THE LAUNDROMAT, IF IT WERE TO CLOSE BECAUSE IT'S ON MAIN STREET AND IT'S ON VERY VALUABLE PROPERTY, OR IF IT BECAME A NON CONFORMING USE AND GOD FORBID, THEY HAD A FIRE OR SOMETHING THAT CAUSED THEM TO WHERE THEY COULD NO LONGER OPERATE OR REBUILD UNDER THE RULES.
THE QUESTION WOULD BE, WHAT DO WE TELL RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN DOWNTOWN, DON'T HAVE A WASHER AND DRYER AND WOULD LIKE TO STILL HAVE ACCESS TO A LAUNDROMAT?
>> LET ME ANSWER A QUESTION WITH A QUESTION.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DECIDED TO SELL THE BUSINESS AND CLOSE IT DOWN?
>> THE CUSTOMERS [OVERLAPPING] WILL FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE?
>> CLOSE THE LAUNDRY. JUST THINK OF THAT, OR THEY DECIDE THEY DON'T WANT TO OPERATE THE BUSINESS ANYMORE AND THE USE GOES AWAY ON ITS OWN.
THAT'S LETTING THE MARKET DICTATE.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CITY MAKING A MARKET DECISION THAT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR RESIDENTS THAT LIVE DOWNTOWN.
I JUST WANT TO ASK I WANT TO ASK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO AT LEAST THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND.
I'M NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY CHANGE YOUR MINDS, BUT THINK ABOUT IF YOU LIVED DOWNTOWN AND YOU'RE ONE OF THE HOWEVER MANY PEOPLE CURRENTLY USE THE LAUNDROMAT.
BUT DO YOU WANT THE MARKET TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT A LAUNDROMAIC EXISTED OR DO YOU WANT THE CITY TO SAY IT NO LONGER IS ALLOWED?
>> CAN I INTERJECT A LITTLE BIT?
>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, STEVE, AND I KNOW YOU'RE ASKING THE QUESTION.
AND ME PERSONALLY, I'VE USED THAT LAUNDROMAT A FEW WEEKS AGO MY WASHING MACHINE WENT OUT.
SO YES, IT WAS CONVENIENT FOR ME TO GO AND USE IT.
SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE WASHING MACHINE AND DRYERS, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL PICTURE.
THIS IS A SMALL AREA AND I THINK THE BIGGER QUESTION IS, IS THAT USE ALLOWED IN FRISCO IN OTHER AREAS, BESIDES JUST THIS SMALL POCKET OF FRISCO? AND IF THAT USE IS ALLOWED, IN FRISCO, IT'S NOT SAYING WE ELIMINATING LAUNDROMATS, WE JUST ELIMINATING LAUNDROMATS OR MORE LAUNDROMATS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
SO CAN I REPHRASE YOUR QUESTION AND SAY, ARE THERE LAUNDROMAT USES THAT'S ALLOWED IN OTHER AREAS OF FRISCO?
>> SO WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING LAUNDROMATS FOR THE WHOLE FRISCO, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE IN AN UPROAR SAYING, WE DON'T HAVE LAUNDROMATS IN FRISCO.
IT'S JUST IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, WE DON'T.
I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT ANSWER.
THAT IF THE MARKET WANTS TO PUT A LAUNDROMAT SOMEWHERE ELSE, THERE'S A MILLION OTHER PLACES THAT THEY COULD PUT IT.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT IF I WANTED TO OPEN A LAUNDROMAT NEAR RESIDENTIAL ANYWHERE ELSE IN FRISCO, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL PLACES WHERE I COULD DO THAT, WHERE A BUSINESS OWNER COULD DO THAT.
IF A BUSINESS OWNER WANTED TO OPEN A NEW LAUNDROMAT, A REPLACEMENT LAUNDROMAT NEAR WHAT PRESUMABLY MAY BE A LARGE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS, THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DOES NOT ALLOW TO HAVE LAUNDROMAT NEARBY.
>> I THINK WE'RE GETTING TO A VERY MINUTE AREA.
IF THERE'S A DEMAND FOR LAUNDRY, THEY WON'T CLOSE THEIR DOORS.
IF THEY CLOSE THEIR DOORS, IT'S LIKE A GOVERNMENT NEEDS NOW PROVIDE A LAUNDROMAT.
IT'S A PRIVATE SECTOR IF THERE'S BUSINESS, THE CURRENT ONE WILL STAY THERE AND IF THERE'S A DEMAND, SOMEONE WILL FIND A REASON TO BUILD ONE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE A SERVICE, BUT THIS IS A PRIVATE THIS IS NOT A CITY PROVIDING A SERVICE.
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>> THAT'S MY POINT IS THAT THIS IS THE CITY PROHIBITING A SERVICE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
SOME OF OUR CUSTOM FOR SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS.
>> THEY MAY HAVE TO GO AN EXTRA THREE BLOCKS.
WE CAN'T SAY EVERYTHING WILL BE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE.
>> I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WALK TO THEM.
>> IT'S NOT PROHIBITING THE USE OF THE EXISTING BUSINESS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE DOING WAY TOO MANY HYPOTHETICALS OF.
>> BUT IF THE EXISTING NON CONFORMING LAUNDROMAT BECOMES NON CONFORMING AND THEN CANNOT CONTINUE TO OPERATE AT THAT SITE.
>> THEY WOULD NEED TO LOCATE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE CURRENT LOCATION?
>> AND WITH ANYTHING, IT COULD BE WHERE THEY WANT TO EAT, WHERE THEY MAY HAVE TO SHOP.
>> BUT WE'RE NOT PROHIBITING RESTAURANTS IN DOWNTOWN.
>> THE PROHIBITING DRIVE THROUGH?
>> THEY MAY HAVE TO GO AN EXTRA THREE MINUTES TO FIND A BANK WITH A DRIVE THROUGH.
WELL, JUST JUST HOPE THAT'S NOT HOLDING YOU UP FROM.
>> I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T MET OR TALKED WITH ENOUGH DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE WASHERS AND DRYERS, BUT WE KNOW IT'S MORE THAN ZERO. THAT'S ALL WE KNOW.
I'M JUST ASKING PEOPLE TO CONSIDER.
THIS IS PART OF THAT WHERE I SAID, IF THE PLAN IS 95% GOOD, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT RAISE SOME CONCERNS.
I DO HAVE TO AGREE WITH WHAT BRITTANY SAID ABOUT IF I WAS A DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNER, I WOULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
I UNDERSTAND THEY COULD HAVE COME TO THE WORK SESSION THAT WE OFFERED, BUT REALISTICALLY, HOW MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT ALL THE WORK SESSIONS WE HAVE.
THEY COULD HAVE COME TO SOME OF THE OTHER MEETINGS WHERE WE TABLED THIS AND SPOKE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE DILEMMA OF TRYING TO BE FULLY AWARE OF ALL THESE MEETINGS, ALL THESE CHANGES WE HAVE.
I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT BRITTANY SAID ABOUT POSSIBLY TABLING THIS.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I THINK WE'RE JUST DIGGING INTO THE WEEDS WAY TOO FAR, AND I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING IT AS PRESENTED.
>> I WAS CONCERNED EARLIER TONIGHT WHEN ASSISTANCE CAME FORWARD BECAUSE IF I WAS ALL I'D HAVE BEEN CONCERNED TOO.
BUT AS I'M READING THROUGH ALL THIS, THERE WAS A CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION, THERE WAS A PLANNING PNC WORK SESSION, THERE WAS TWO OLD TOWN COMMUNITY SESSIONS.
THERE WAS TWO RAIL DISTRICT ADVISORY REGARD SESSIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ALL WERE ABLE TO ATTEND ANY OF THOSE BUT WHAT GOT EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION WAS THAT DANG POSTCARD AND THAT BIG BOLD STATEMENT ON THERE THAT THE STATE SAYS WE HAVE TO PUT ON THERE AND AT FIRST, I DIDN'T LIKE THAT.
BUT GUESS WHAT? GOT YOUR ATTENTION. YOU'RE OUT HERE.
IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT, YOU MAY NOT HAVE FOUND THIS OUT.
SO THERE'S GOOD AND BAD WITH THAT.
IT GOT YOU LIKE, YOUR EARS WENT UP, YOU'RE LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON? BECAUSE IT SAYS MAY IN THERE, I DIDN'T SAY YOU WILL.
IT GOT EVERYBODY ALL RUSTLED UP.
AFTER READING THROUGH ALL THIS AND TALKING THROUGH WITH EVERYONE, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS.
SO I DO APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING OUT TONIGHT.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO HAVE ANY LONG TERM HURT ON YOU OR YOUR BUSINESS AS IT STANDS NOW.
>> THANK YOU ALL. A FEW COMMENTS AND THEN I KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE SOME HAVE PROPOSED A TABLE, SOME HAVE PROPOSED VOTING TONIGHT.
ACTUALLY, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THIS, A LOT OF TIMES, IT'S A PRETTY DEAD MEETING HERE, AND WE'RE OUT OF HERE IN FIVE MINUTES.
AS MUCH AS WE LIKE GETTING OUT QUICKLY, IT'S NICE THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY SERVE AND TALK TO OUR COMMUNITY.
SO WE DO APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT AND HEARING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
>> I DON'T GET TO VOTE, AS CHAIR, SO I DIRECT THE MEETING UNLESS IT GOES TO A 33, THEN I GET TO STEP IN, BUT IF I WERE VOTING TONIGHT, I WOULD TELL YOU WHY I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
I THINK IT'S BEEN VERY THOROUGH IN WHAT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH.
I THINK WHERE THERE MIGHT BE SOME FRUSTRATION, IT'S THE COMMUNICATION, BUT IT'S NOT THE ACTUAL END RESULT IS WHERE THE FRUSTRATION IS, BUT IT WAS THE COMMUNICATION.
I THINK WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH.
WE ALL WISH COMMUNICATION COULD BE BETTER.
BUT MY CONCERN OF TABLEING THIS, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING'S COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE IN HERE.
IT WOULD JUST GIVE YOU AN EXTRA TWO, THREE WEEKS TO BE LIKE, I BREATHE, OH, NOW I UNDERSTAND IT.
I GET THAT. IF IT WERE ME, I WOULD SAY, IF WE WERE TO VOTE FOR THIS AND IT WAS TO MOVE FORWARD, YOU STILL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL THREE WEEKS THAT IT GOES IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD REACH OUT TO CITY STAFF AND ASK SOME OF THOSE MORE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
HOPEFULLY, I CAN ANSWER SOME OF THOSE.
BUT NO BUSINESSES, WHEN I SAY IMPACTED, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO OPERATE YOUR BUSINESS AS IS.
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
WHAT IT'S SAYING IS THAT IF YOU WERE TO CHANGE, YOU CAN'T JUST GO AND THEN SHUT IT DOWN FOR TWO YEARS AND THEN JUST GET YOUR RIGHTS BACK.
IT'S SAYING AS LONG AS YOU'RE OPERATING, IT'S NON-CONFORMING, BUT YOUR BUSINESS CAN OPERATE.
YOU CAN SELL IT TO YOUR SIBLINGS, YOU CAN SELL IT TO YOUR NEIGHBOR, OR YOU CAN SELL IT TO SOMEONE MOVING IN FROM OUT OF STATE.
WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED THAT DOES NOT LIMIT ANY OF THAT FROM YOU.
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I REALLY FEEL IT'S BEEN VERY THOROUGH AND THEN REALLY TRYING TO PROTECT YOU.FORTUNATELY, I THINK A FEW OF MY COMMISSIONERS, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO CITY STAFF, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY I'VE BEEN ON HERE FOR NINE YEARS, AND I THINK I'VE GONE TO ABOUT 11 CITIES WITH CITY STAFF, AND WE GO TO DOWNTOWNS, AND WE TRY TO FIND OUT HOW TO IMPROVE IT.
WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO MAKE OUR DOWNTOWN SPECIAL, THAT ANY OF YOU THAT OWN A BUSINESS DOWNTOWN THAT YOU'RE PROTECTED.
THIS IS NOT TO SHUT DOWN ANY BUSINESS.
I CAN'T SHUT DOWN ANY BUSINESS.
BUT THIS IS TRYING TO PROTECT YOU FROM FUTURE THINGS THAT COULD COME IN, THAT WE DON'T HAVE 11 GAS STATIONS, THAT WE DON'T HAVE 20 MORE DRIVE-THROUGHS.
THIS IS JUST SAYING, MOVING FORWARD, WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE THINGS THAT ARE JUST MORE AUTO-CENTRIC, BUT RATHER WALKABILITY.
THE MARKET WILL DETERMINE, ANSWER ONE OF YOUR COMMISSIONS WITH THE WASHING MACHINE; WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT.
YOU MAY HAVE TO GO AN EXTRA FIVE MINUTES IF IT WERE TO CLOSE, BUT CURRENTLY, YOU HAVE ONE THERE.
I JUST A QUESTION I WOULD HAVE FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, AND I WANT TO BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU MAY WANT TO TABLE THIS.
I'LL ASK YOU A QUESTION. WHAT WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE CHANGE? IS IT JUST SO THAT THEY CAN SAY, OH, IT GOT TABLED, OR DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT CHANGES TO THIS?
>> GREAT QUESTION. I THINK ONE OF THE BENEFICIAL THINGS ABOUT A PUBLIC HEARING IS TO HEAR FROM CITIZENS AND GIVE THEM THAT MOMENT TO SPEAK.
THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED THAT JUST CAUSED ME TO GO.
I WONDER IF WE COULD ALLOW, AS COMMISSIONER CONEY EVEN SAID, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS TO CLARIFY WITH THEIR SPECIFIC REQUEST, WHETHER IT BE, SAY, A REFINANCE OR SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO IF THEY NEEDED OR HAD PLANS TO DO CERTAIN THINGS THAT NOW WOULD NOT FIT IN THOSE NON-CONFORMING USE DETAILS.
I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD JUST BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY NOW THAT WE'VE HAD THAT PUBLIC HEARING, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE TIME, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE TRULY ALL THESE BUSINESSES ARE, AS YOU SAID, PROTECTED.
I THINK ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS ARE THERE FOR GOOD REASON.
AS I SAID BEFORE, I BELIEVE WHOLEHEARTEDLY THAT THE CITY HAS GOOD BEHIND THEM, JUST MAKING SURE THERE COULDN'T BE ANY POSSIBLE GAPS NOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE US AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S ALL.
I KNOW I HAD YOU OFFERED OR PRESENTED A TABLE AND THEN SOMEONE TO VOTE TONIGHT.
BUT FIRST, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION, I'LL PUT THAT IN FRONT OF YOU.
>> THANK YOU. I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER 21.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY BRITTANY TO TABLE ITEM 21. DO I HAVE A SECOND?
>> I'VE GOT A SECOND BY STEVE. ALL IN FAVOR.
>> TABLING TWO, AND WHAT DO YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH?
>> BEFORE YOU MAKE THE MOTION.
MR. CHAIR. I MAKE ONE COMMENT HERE BECAUSE GREAT QUESTION YOU ASKED ABOUT, WHAT DO WE HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH.
WE TRY NOT TO TABLE THINGS IF WE DON'T THINK ANYTHING WILL CHANGE.
IF WE DON'T THINK ANYTHING WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED, THEN WE TEND NOT TO TABLE.
WE TEND TO MOVE FORWARD. MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT THIS PLAN IS NOT FLAWLESS.
WE'RE NOT FLAWS. WE'RE NOT PERFECT.
>> MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS, AS THEY DIG INTO THIS MORE AND GET MORE INFORMED, MAY RAISE SOME QUESTIONS THAT NONE OF US HAVE THOUGHT OF YET.
TO ME, THAT'S WHAT MIGHT CHANGE IS IF BUSINESS OWNERS WHO ARE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS, AS GOOD AS THE PLAN MAY BE, THEY MAY BRING UP ISSUES THAT WE HAVE NOT THOUGHT ABOUT THAT MAY COME UP BETWEEN NOW AND THEN THAT COULD MAKE THE PLAN FROM 90% GOOD TO MAKE IT 99% GOOD.
THAT'S MY THOUGHT. I HOPE THAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD CONSIDER ALLOWING JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME FOR THIS SERIES OF CHANGE.
>> HAVE YOU TAKEN ANOTHER CRACK AT THAT, BRITTANY?
>> COULD I ASK A QUESTION? IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, WOULD STAFF, WOULD IT SEEM MORE FITTING TO OFFER TIME FOR BUSINESSES TO MEET INDIVIDUALLY OR TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHEN YOU ALL DO HOA MEETINGS, TO HAVE JUST ONE MEETING TO HAVE THOSE BUSINESSES THEN COME BEFORE YOU IF THEY'VE DONE RESEARCH WITH, AGAIN, LET'S SAY THEY WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING WITH THEIR LENDER OR A REMODEL OR WHATNOT?
>> WHEN YOU'RE ASKING THAT QUESTION, YOU'RE TRYING TO PICK A DATE OR WHAT?
>> I WAS GOING TO TRY TO MAKE MY TABLE MOTION MORE SPECIFIC.
I THINK THE DATE WOULD BE PERFECT FOR SEPTEMBER 23RD, BUT WANTED TO SEE, AGAIN,
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IF IT WOULD IN THESE SITUATIONS IF IT'S BETTER TO DO, SAY, AGAIN, SIMILAR TO AN HOA MEETING AND OR JUST ALLOW THE TIME IF THERE WERE BUSINESSES TO HAVE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS.>> HERE'S THE 23RD WOULD BE THE EARLIEST BECAUSE I REMINDED YOU ALL THE STATE LEGISLATURE CHANGED THE POSTING OF AGENDAS.
TABLEING FOR TWO WEEKS IS NOT AN OPTION TO GET THIS DONE.
CAN ASK CHRIS TO SCHEDULE A MEETING.
IT'S A MATTER OF TRYING TO PIN A TIME IN WHICH THAT MEETING COULD TAKE PLACE.
THE PEOPLE ARE HERE THAT WANT TO REACH OUT TO CHRIS.
THEY CAN REACH OUT AND FIND A TIME, HOPEFULLY.
BY THE END OF THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK TO HAVE THAT MEETING BECAUSE WE GOT TO HAVE THINGS WRAPPED UP LIKE TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THAT.
>> GIVEN THE NEW LEGISLATION, WOULD IT BE BETTER IF IT WERE OCTOBER 7? NO. I WOULD HAVE TO BE THE 14TH, EXCUSE ME.
>> I WOULD SAY, JUST TRY FOR THE 23RD, AND IT'S NOT WORKABLE [OVERLAPPING]
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER 21 TO OUR SEPTEMBER 23RD MEETING TO ALLOW TIME FOR THE RAIL DISTRICT BUSINESSES THAT COULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS TO MEET WITH CITY STAFF TO ADDRESS ALL CONCERNS.
>> LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION.
[LAUGHTER] YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TABLE ITEM NUMBER 28.
>> YOU GOT TO DO THERE'S TWO MOTIONS HERE.
YOU GOT TO ASK. IS THERE A MOTION TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING?
>> IS THERE A MOTION TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING?
>> I WOULD SECOND THAT. ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION?
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY BRITTANY.
>> A SECOND BY STEVE. ALL IN FAVOR.
>> TO REOPEN THE [OVERLAPPING]
>> I DON'T THINK YOU DID WARN.
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REOPENING THE PUBLIC.
BY OPENING THAT YOU'RE LEANING THAT YOU'RE TING.
>> I'M GOING TO START THAT OVER AGAIN.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IF YOU'RE REOPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING, THAT MEANS YOU'RE MOST LIKELY SAYING THAT YOU WANT TO TABLE THIS.
YOU WOULDN'T OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN VOTE AGAINST NOT TABLEING IT.
JUST SO THAT THERE'S A CLARIFICATION OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
>> JUST TO CLARIFY. IF WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF SOMEONE HAS NOT SPOKEN PREVIOUSLY TONIGHT, COULD THEY NOW SPEAK DURING THAT PUBLIC HEARING?
>> ON THE [INAUDIBLE] IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.
>> SO THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT WOULD LEAD TO TABLEING. IT COULD GO EITHER WAY.
>> I WOULD SAY COMMISSIONER WOULDN'T VOTE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN SAY I DON'T WANT TO TABLE IT.
>> THEY MIGHT. I MIGHT CHANGE MY MIND.
AFTER WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
>> NO, WE'RE NOT OPENING [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY BRITTANY.
I'VE GOT A SECOND BY STEVE BY RAISE A HAND, SAY AYE.
LET IT SHOW THAT IT PASSED 4-2 TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR 21.
NOW THAT'S OPEN, WE ARE BACK IN PUBLIC HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE NOT SPOKEN, YOU DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
>> NO. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE SPEAK, [OVERLAPPING] ARE YOU ABLE NOW AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING?
>> ANYONE THAT HAS NOT SPOKEN, WE'RE ABOUT TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT YOU DO HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AGAIN, AND THEN IF IT GETS TABLED, YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AGAIN WHEN WE COME BACK IF IT IS TABLED, JUST EDUCATING EVERYONE ON THE PROCESS.
DID YOU WANT TO PRESENT ANY OTHER MOTION?
>> I WOULD LOVE TO. I'VE ONLY HAD A WORKSHOP AT LIKE SEVEN TIMES. I SHOULD NOW.
>> BEFORE YOU DO. CAN WE MAKE THE TABLE SPECIFIC TO HAVING THE CITY CALL, LIKE A PUBLIC MEETING?
>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING JOHN ABOUT EARLIER, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
>> WELL, WHEN YOU SAY PUBLIC MEETING OR WHATEVER, WHAT I SAY CHRIS IS DOING IS CONTACTING THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO HAVE A MEETING.
WE WON'T POST IT AS A PUBLIC MEETING.
>> THEY MAY DO ANOTHER PRESENTATION LIKE THE OLD TOWN COMMUNITY OR THE RAIL DISTRICT ADVISORY BOARD, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> WELL, I SEE THIS MORE AS A SEPARATE MEETING THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE, AND JUST FINDING A TIME THAT'S CONVENIENT FOR MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE I'M SURE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYONE'S SCHEDULE.
WE TRY, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE.
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I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A SCENARIO WHERE SOMEBODY, THEY DON'T WANT TO MEET.WE'LL SCHEDULE A MEETING WHERE WE CAN, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK ON THE 23RD.
>> JOHN, YOU'RE SAYING OFFERING AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO MEET AND NO GUARANTEES THAT SCHEDULES WILL WORK OUT.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER 21 UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER 23, PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING TO ALLOW TIME FOR THE BUSINESSES TO MEET WITH CITY STAFF, JUST TO MAKE SURE ALL THE DETAILS ARE WORKED OUT.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY BRITTANY.
>> A SECOND BY TIFFANY. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> SHOW THAT ITEM PASSES 4-2 WITH SHAWN AND MICHAEL.
>> I WANT TO CLARIFY, IT'S THE BUSINESSES THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE [OVERLAPPING]
>> EARLIER, I DID SAY RAIL DISTRICT, AND I PROBABLY DIDN'T SPECIFY IN THAT LAST TIME. SO YES.
>> BUT THE BUSINESSES THAT LIKE MR. FRANS.
YES. THOSE ARE THE ONES WE'RE TARGETING.
>> FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT KNOW, THAT DID PASS 4-2 TO TABLE THAT TO THE SEPTEMBER 23RD.
PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU LOOK OUT HOWEVER THE CITY REACHES OUT TO YOU.
THERE'S ABOUT 10 BUSINESSES THAT ARE INVOLVED.
I CAUTION IMPACTED BECAUSE YOUR BUSINESSES WILL CONTINUE EITHER WAY TO STAY OPEN AS YOU OPERATE THEM.
>> JON, CAN I ASK THAT THE STAFF POST THAT POWERPOINT THAT WAS UP EARLIER ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE SO THEY CAN SEE THAT?
>> YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK THAT ONE PROBABLY LED TO A LOT OF CONFUSION BECAUSE WHAT'S LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT IS VERY MINOR CHANGES.
WELL, I'LL JUST SAY MINOR, BUT YOU ONLY HAVE JUST A FEW USES COMPARED TO PUTTING ALL THE USES UP THERE, WHERE I THINK THROWS PEOPLE OFF.
>> THEN, SHAWN, FOR THE RECORD, SINCE YOU WERE A NAY, DO WE NEED TO GET HIS REASON BEHIND?
>> CAN WE REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT YOU'RE FREE TO REACH OUT TO ANY OF THE P&Z COMMISSIONERS AT ANY TIME? OUR EMAILS ARE ALL ON THE WEBSITE?
>> PERFECT. WE DO APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING OUT, AND HOPEFULLY YOU SEE THAT THERE'S ORDER, AND EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T AGREE, I SUPPORT WHATEVER OUR COMMISSION DOES, SO GRATEFUL THAT WE'VE GOT GREAT DIVERSE MINDS UP HERE.
ITEM 21, AND WE'RE FINISHED WITH.
ITEM 22, ADOPTION OF THE 2026 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW SCHEDULE, OWNER CITY OF FRISCO.
[Adoption of the 2026 Development Review Schedules: Adoption of the 2026 Development Review Schedules]
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. EACH YEAR, STAFF BRINGS THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW SCHEDULES BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL TO ESTABLISH THE FILING AND REVIEW DATES FOR ALL PROJECTS THAT THE PLANNING DIVISION REVIEWS.
THIS EVENING, YOU HAVE FOUR SCHEDULES FOR CONSIDERATION.
RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IS THERE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION?
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 2026 SCHEDULE.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY TIFFANY.
I'VE GOT A SECOND BY MICHAEL. ALL IN FAVOR.
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 6-0.
ITEM 23, RESULTS OF THE AUGUST 19,
[Results of the August 19, 2025, City Council meeting.]
2025, CITY COUNCIL MEETING.>> CITY COUNCIL ACCEPTED YOUR RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AUGUST 19TH MEETING. PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
>> SAY THAT AGAIN. I COULDN'T HEAR.
>> COUNCIL ACCEPTED THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION AT THE AUGUST 19 MEETING THAT YOU HAD JUST LAST WEEK.
>> FROM LAST WEEK'S MEETING, YES. THANK YOU.
>> THEY APPROVE OUR RECOMMENDATION.
ITEM 24. SCHEDULE OF FUTURE DISCUSSION ITEMS.
[Schedule of future discussion items.]
ANYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT, STAFF? NO. WITH THAT, ONE ITEM LEFT.>> SECOND BY BRITTANY. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 6-0.
WE'RE ADJOURNED AT 8:29.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.