[CALL TO ORDER]
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[BACKGROUND] WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.>> OKAY. WE'D LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF FRISCO PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION.
WE ARE GATHERED AT 6101 FRISCO SQUARE BOULEVARD, AND THE TIME IS 6:30 PM.
THE PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION CONSISTS OF FRISCO RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
TONIGHT, COMMISSIONERS PRESENT ARE TIFFANY WELLS, BRITTANY COLBERG, STEVE CONE, WARREN RUIZ, SEAN MERRELL, AND I, JON KENDALL AS YOUR CHAIR.
REPRESENTING STAFF, FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WE HAVE JOHN LETTELLEIR, JONATHAN HUBBARD, ROLANDREA RUSSELL, DANIEL PONDER, PEYTON SHERMAN, SEAN O'QUINN, LULU PANG, CHRIS LEONARD, AND JENNIFER MORGAN, FROM ENGINEERING.
WE HAVE JASON GRIMM, AND ALSO SHELLY LANG.
FROM FIRE, WE HAVE JOHN GILLETTE AND ALYSSA BARSTOW.
FROM LEGAL, WE HAVE ALLISON COTTON.
IS THERE ANYONE I FORGOT? JOEL FITTS.
I'M GOING TO MARK IT DOWN ALSO.
FROM ENGINEERING, WE HAVE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER EXPERTISE.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZEN INPUT.
IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION REGARDING ANY ITEMS THAT ARE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, YOU MAY DO SO AT THIS TIME.
PLEASE COMPLETE A BLUE SPEAKER CARD AND APPROACH THE PODIUM.
PRIOR TO YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
OUR MEETINGS ARE RECORDED, SO PLEASE SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE.
PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION, NOT TO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE OR THE APPLICANT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
TO ENSURE THERE IS ENOUGH TIME TO ALL SPEAK, PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES UNLESS YOU MUST ADDRESS THE COMMISSION THROUGH A TRANSLATOR, IN WHICH CASE, YOU MAY HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 10 MINUTES.
PLEASE NOTE THE COMMISSION CANNOT DISCUSS OR TAKE SPECIFIC ACTION DURING CITIZEN INPUT ON ITEMS NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA, EXCEPT TO PROVIDE A STATEMENT OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY, TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY, OR TO INDICATE THAT THE MATTER MAY BE PLACED ON A LATER AGENDA.
WITH THAT, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING CITIZEN INPUT?
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.>> MOVE TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR P & Z MEETING ON JANUARY 28TH.
>> SECOND BY TIFFANY. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 5-0. ITEM 3.
>> WE'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE WORK SESSION P&Z COMMISSION MEETING THE SAME DAY.
>> OF JANUARY 28TH. I HAVE A MOTION BY SEAN.
>> SECOND BY BRITTANY. ALL IN FAVOR?
[CONSENT AGENDA]
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 5-0.
WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO JUMP INTO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF ROUTINE AND NON-CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS. ANY COMMISSION MEMBER MAKING SUCH REQUESTS PRIOR TO A MOTION AND VOTE OF THE CONSENT ITEMS MAY CONSIDER ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY.
ANY MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK TO MAKE COMMENTS ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS MAY DO SO WITH MAJORITY APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSION.
WE HAVE ITEMS 4 THROUGH 20 THIS EVENING.
I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, NUMBER 7.
ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS 4 THROUGH 6, AND 8 THROUGH 20?
>> SECOND BY STEVE. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 5-0.
[Final Plat: Lexington Parks, Phase Twelve (FP25-0002)]
WITH THAT, ITEM 7. READ THAT IN.ITEM 7 IS FINAL PLAT LEXINGTON PARKS PHASE 12 FP 25-0002 OWNERS RB 637, LLC AND LEXINGTON INVESTMENTS LTD.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THE ITEM THAT WAS JUST READ INTO THE RECORD WAS INITIALLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY ON JANUARY 13TH, 2025.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A 30-DAY EXTENSION TO DATE, AND THE LETTER BEFORE YOU PREVIOUSLY STATED THAT THEY WOULD GO TO THE MARCH 11TH PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
HOWEVER, SINCE THE FINALIZATION OF THE AGENDA, THE APPLICANT HAS NOW REQUESTED TO BE MOVED TO THE FEBRUARY 25TH MEETING.
STAFF IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION REQUEST AND PLACE THIS ITEM ON THE FEBRUARY 25TH MEETING.
>> WONDERFUL. DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR ITEM 7?
>> WELL, NO. WE'RE LOOKING FOR ITEM 7 TO APPROVE A TWO-WEEK EXTENSION OR 30-DAY EXTENSION AND PUT IT ON THE FEBRUARY 25TH.
>> YES. I HAVE A MOTION FOR ITEM 7,
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EXTEND OF 30 DAY TO FEBRUARY 25TH BY SEAN.>> SECOND BY STEVE. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSE. MOTION PASSES 5-0.
THANK YOU. I THINK WE HAVE FOUR.
LET ME JUST DOUBLE-CHECK. [NOISE] AWESOME.
[Public Hearing - Specific Use Permit: Dollar Flowers Addition, Block A, Lot 3 (SUP24-0008)]
TONIGHT, WE HAVE FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE AGENDA, AND I WANT TO REVIEW THE PROCESS.EACH PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS PERCEIVED BY STAFF INTRODUCTION OF THE REQUEST.
THE APPLICANT IS THEN PERMITTED 10 MINUTES TO MAKE HIS OR HER PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION.
FOLLOWING QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF AND APPLICANT BY THE COMMISSION, THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ARE WELCOME TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
ALL SPEAKERS, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT NEED TO COMPLETE A BLUE SPEAKER CARD AND PROVIDE IT TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.
IF THERE ARE ORGANIZED GROUPS IN ATTENDANCE, WE SUGGEST THAT YOU SELECT REPRESENTATIVES TO PRESENT YOUR POSITIONS.
PLEASE AVOID REPEATING WHAT HAS BEEN STATED BY PREVIOUS SPEAKERS, OTHER THAN TO STATE THAT YOU AGREE WITH THEIR COMMENTS.
THE TIME LIMIT IS FIVE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.
PLEASE ENSURE EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
THE COMMISSION MEMBERS CAN VOTE TO LIMIT SPEAKING TIME IF A LARGE VOLUME OF PEOPLE ARE WISHING TO SPEAK.
PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU ONLY HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
REPEAT APPEARANCES TO THE PODIUM ARE NOT PERMITTED.
AFTER ALL PERSONS HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE CASE WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER TESTIMONY WILL BE PERMITTED UNLESS THE CASE IS TABLED TO A FUTURE DATE, AND THE COMMISSION INCLUDES IT IN THEIR MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING IN THE FUTURE MEETING.
AFTER CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF OR THE APPLICANT.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THE PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION ONLY MAKES A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING ZONING CASES.
UNLESS THE COMMISSION DISAPPROVES THE CASE AND THE APPLICANT DOES NOT APPEAL THIS DISAPPROVAL, THE FINAL ACTION REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING BY CITY COUNCIL.
YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO CONTACT YOUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF AS TO WHEN THE CASE WILL BE CONSIDERED BY CITY COUNCIL.
WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO JUMP INTO ITEM 21.
ITEM 21, PUBLIC HEARING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT DOLLAR FLOWERS ADDITION, BLOCK A, LOT 3, OWNERS PCK LAND COMPANY LLC.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS ITEM NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE TABLE.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY BRITTANY.
>> SECOND BY TIFFANY. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 5-0.
THIS ITEM HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE TABLE.
>> THANK YOU. THE PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION TABLED THIS ITEM AND CONTINUED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE JANUARY 14TH, 2025 MEETING TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TIME TO DISCUSS THE REQUEST WITH STAFF.
SINCE THAT JANUARY 14TH MEETING, STAFF HAS HAD MEETINGS WITH THE APPLICANT, AS WELL AS THEIR ATTORNEY WHERE ALTERNATIVES WERE SUGGESTED, AND THE ALTERNATIVE PROPOSED WAS TO BUILD A MASONRY WALL ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT ALLOWED BY CODE IS EIGHT FEET, WHICH IS ALREADY BEING CONSTRUCTED.
STAFF IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE ALTERNATIVE AND REITERATED TO THE APPLICANT THAT THE BUILDING MUST SEPARATE THE OUTDOOR PLAY AREA THAT ABUTS THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH AND EAST.
TO DATE, STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED AN UPDATED PLAN OF THE PROPOSED REQUEST, THEREFORE, THERE HAS BEEN NO CHANGE IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL THIS EVENING.
THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER WITH A MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT OF 250 STUDENTS.
THIS FACILITY REQUIRES 65 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR PLAY AREA PER STUDENT AND BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF STUDENTS, THEIR REQUIREMENT IS 16,250 SQUARE FEET OF PLAY AREA THAT IS BEING REQUIRED, THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING 16,681 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR PLAY AREA.
HOWEVER, THE PLAY AREA FOR THE FACILITIES ARE LOCATED 50 FEET FROM THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH AND 70 FEET FROM THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST AS OUTLINED IN THE EXHIBIT.
PER THE 2015 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OUTDOOR PLAY AREAS SHOULD BE LOCATED AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
STAFF TRIED TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AT THE ONSET OF THIS SUBMITTAL TO HAVE THE PLAY AREAS MOVED FURTHER AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND ADVISED THAT A BUILDING SHOULD BE LOCATED BETWEEN THE PLAY AREAS, AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT WAS UNWILLING TO RECONFIGURE THE SITE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS VOLUNTARILY SIGNED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL, SHOULD THIS REQUEST MOVE FORWARD.
STAFF DID SEND THE NECESSARY NOTICES, AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMUNICATIONS IN WRITING, OPPOSING OR IN SUPPORT OF THIS REQUEST.
WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED THAT A HOA MEETING HAS BEEN HELD.
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HOWEVER, THE FIRST ONE THAT WE WERE AWARE OF, THE CITY WAS NOT GIVEN ENOUGH NOTICE TO HAVE STAFF PRESENT.WE WERE ADVISED THAT ANOTHER ONE WOULD BE SCHEDULED, WHICH WE WERE LATER TOLD WAS SCHEDULED AND HELD, BUT STAFF WAS NOT NOTIFIED.
THIS EVENING, THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS BEING RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL BECAUSE THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE 2015 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> GREAT. THANK YOU. BEFORE GOING TO QUESTIONS, WE'LL SEE IF THE APPLICANTS HERE WISH TO HAVE A PRESENTATION.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER, MY NAME IS BILL DAHLSTROM, 2323 ROSS AVENUE, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
IT'S A REAL PLEASURE TO BE HERE.
I'VE BEEN COMING OUT TO FRISCO FOR ALMOST 35 YEARS NOW DOING ZONING WORK AND IT'S JUST STAGGERING WHEN I DROVE UP COIT ROAD TO SEE THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT IN FRISCO.
FORTUNATELY, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN QUITE A FEW OF THESE REALLY BEAUTIFUL PROJECTS, HIGH-QUALITY PROJECTS LIKE THE LINK, THE MIX, FIREFLY, HALL PARK.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME VERY HIGH-QUALITY PROJECTS UP HERE, AND I THINK I'M INVOLVED IN ANOTHER VERY HIGH-QUALITY PROJECT FOR THE CITY.
PRIMROSE LOOKS VERY MUCH EAGER TO COME INTO THE CITY OF FRISCO.
WITH ME TONIGHT ARE KRISTEN ROBERTS AND DAVID WALLACE WITH PRIMROSE, DREW DENOSKI, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, AND MIKE LYSSY WITH CROSS ARCHITECTS.
THERE WE GO. PRIMROSE, AS YOU KNOW, IS A GOLD STANDARD IN DAYCARES.
THAT'S A NATIONAL SYSTEM OF ACCREDITED PRIVATE PRESCHOOLS THAT PROVIDES EARLY EDUCATION FOR STUDENTS.
THEIR VISION IS TO DELIVER THE BEST AND MOST TRUSTED EARLY EDUCATION AND CARE FOR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES ACROSS AMERICA.
THEY FIT PERFECTLY WITH THE CITY OF FRISCO AND IN THIS LOCATION, AS IS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WE'RE CURRENTLY ZONED IN ATTRACT ZONED RETAIL.
IT'S THAT LITTLE RED RECTANGLE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, SURROUNDED BY TWO OR THREE SIDES BY RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S NOT DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL TO FURTHER EAST BECAUSE THAT'S IN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY.
AGAIN, HERE'S A BETTER CLOSE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AROUND THIS PROJECT.
OUR MARKETING INFORMATION SHOWS THAT THERE IS DEMAND FOR DAYCARE IN THIS VICINITY.
FOUR THOUSAND FAMILIES IN THE VICINITY ARE IN NEED OF DAYCARE IN THIS GENERAL VICINITY.
AS IT IS REPORTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT'S 2.3 ACRE TRACT OF LAND, AND IT'S THE RECTANGLE. THIS IS A POINT OF WORK.
>> I THINK YOU CAN DRAW ON YOURS ALSO.
>> MAYBE NOT. I GUESS WE'LL USE POINTER, SORRY.
[LAUGHTER] IT'S NOT LETTING ME EITHER. WE'LL CALL IT THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
>> NORTHEAST CORNER IS THE TRACT LAND. IT'S NOT WORKING.
THE NORTHEAST CORNER, IT'S THE TRACT LAND.
AS WAS REPRESENTED, OUR PLAY AREAS ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WE INTEND ON HAVING 250 CHILDREN.
I KNOW THEY WERE CALLED STUDENTS IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT THEY ARE INFANTS TO 4½-YEARS-OLD.
IT'S 250 INFANTS INTO FOUR-YEAR-OLDS.
THE PLAYGROUNDS WILL BE SEPARATED FOR DIFFERENT AGES.
WE'VE GOT FOLKS HERE WHO CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
THERE ARE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THAT.
TYPICAL HOURS OF OPERATION ARE 7:00 AM-6:00 PM.
PEAK TRAFFIC HOURS, 07:00-8:00 AM AND 5:00-6:00 PM.
PRIMARY ACCESS AS YOU CAN TELL IS OFF OF COIT.
IT'S TUCKED AT THE BACK OF A RETAIL CENTER, AND THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACKNOWLEDGES THAT DAYCARE CENTERS CAN BE PART OF A RETAIL DEVELOPMENT.
WE DO COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THAT REGARD.
WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM FOR QUEUING, FOR DROP OFF OR PICK UP, GOING AROUND THE SITE.
YOU NOTICE THE QUEUING AND THE CIRCULATION AROUND THE BUILDING, THERE'S A FIRE LANE THAT ACTUALLY PROVIDES SOMEWHAT OF A SETBACK FROM THE BUILDING AND THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AREAS TO THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL.
THIS IS THE ZONING EXHIBIT, AGAIN, JUST SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY AND THE LOCATION OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY ADJACENT TO IT.
THIS ISN'T THE SAME, MY PRESENTATION.
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>> I'M GOING TO JUMP TO THIS SLIDE.
THIS ISN'T THE PRESENTATION I GAVE EARLIER.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE ACTIVITY OF THE PLAYGROUND AREAS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE.
I'VE HAD A BETTER PICTURE OF THIS SOUND STUDY AND ANOTHER SLIDE IN THE PRESENTATION I SUBMITTED EARLIER.
ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING CONDITION.
THE EXISTING CONDITION SHOWS IN THE LIGHT GREEN MAYBE 40-50, THE GREEN SHOWS 50-60ISH, AND THE YELLOW IS MORE INTENSE.
ON THE RIGHT, YOU SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AFTER OUR DEVELOPMENT, AND YOU CAN TELL THAT BY THE MASONRY WALL ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND WE ARE PROVIDING AN EIGHT-FOOT MASONRY WALL ON THE NORTH SIDE OF OUR TRACT AND ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE TRACT.
THERE IS A PHYSICAL BARRIER THERE THAT WILL BLOCK THE SOUND.
BUT YOU SEE FROM OUR SOUND STUDY ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS THERE'S VERY MINIMAL IMPACT ON THIS ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY.
I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THE COM PLAN SAYS THAT WE SHOULD BE ORIENTED OR SPECIFICALLY SHOULD BE LOCATED AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
I THINK THAT THE SOUND WALLS THAT WE HAVE OR THE MASONRY WALLS THAT WE HAVE ON THE EAST AND NORTH SIDE PRACTICALLY SERVE THAT PURPOSE OF KEEPING THE SOUND WITHIN OUR SITE.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ILLUSTRATION ON THE RIGHT SIDE, ALL THE INCREASED SOUND IS KEPT WITHIN OUR PROPERTY.
THERE IS MINIMAL IMPACT, IF ANY, ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES, BASED ON THIS STUDY.
THE SOUND THAT DOES EMANATE IS 65 OR LESS.
THE GRAPH YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP SHOWS THE ACTUAL SOUND CALCULATIONS WHEN THE SOUND WILL BE AT ITS PEAK.
IT BARELY REACHES 65 AT PEAK TIMES.
THERE ARE BASICALLY TWO-HOUR SETS WITHIN THE DAY WHEN IT GETS THAT ACTIVE AND GOES ABOVE 45-60.
THAT'S, YOU CAN TELL, BETWEEN I'D SAY 10:00 AND NOON, AND THEN LATER IN THE DAY.
THE IMPACT FROM THESE CHILDREN PLAYING, THEIR VOICES PLAYING IS MINIMAL.
THERE'S VERY LITTLE IMPACT ON ADJACENT USES AS A RESULT OF THE CHILDREN PLAYING OUTSIDE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SOUND? I'LL FINISH MY PRESENTATION.
AGAIN, WE DID AGREE TO GO THROUGH AND DO THE MASONRY CONSTRUCTION, THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN BUILDING.
THESE ARE SOME EXHIBITS OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE.
SHOWING AGAIN, THIS IS LOOKING, I'LL CALL IT SOUTH EAST.
THE PLAYGROUND ON THE LEFT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND THIS ONE IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
ACTUALLY, MY PROPOSAL, WHEN I WAS TALKING TO CITY STAFF, WAS TO CONSIDER PUTTING ANOTHER BRICK WALL ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THE EAST SIDE OF THE PLAYGROUND ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND THEN ONE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PLAYGROUND ON THE SOUTH SIDE SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE EFFECTIVELY DOUBLE SOUND WALL AND THEN ANOTHER MASONRY WALL TO FURTHER REDUCE ANY SOUND.
BUT, AS YOU CAN TELL, THE STUDY THAT WE SHOWED ONLY CONSIDERED THE ONE WALL ON THE BOUNDARY, SO WE'RE STILL WILLING TO DO THAT.
WE DON'T THINK THE IMPACT IS THAT GREAT.
WE THINK, GIVEN THE RESULTS OF THE SOUND STUDY, WE DO COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN TERMS OF LOCATE IT AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WE THINK THAT THE MASONRY WALL, THE DISTANCE.
THEN ANOTHER DRAWING I HAD IN MY PRESENTATION SHOWED THAT, I'LL GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, THE DISTANCE FROM THE PLAYGROUND ON THE NORTH SIDE TO OUR PROPERTY LINE IS ABOUT 50 FEET.
IT'S ANOTHER 15 FEET TO PRIVACY FENCES ON THE RESIDENTIAL ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND ANOTHER 20-30 FEET TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE NORTH SIDE.
IT'S ACTUALLY A FAR GREATER DISTANCE THAN 50 FEET TO THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL BOUNDARY LINE, BUT YOU'VE GOT A 50 FOOT LANDSCAPE EASEMENT.
YOU'VE GOT THE MASONRY WALL, YOU'VE GOT THE ALLEY, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A PRIVACY FENCE, AND THEN A SETBACK FOR HOMES.
SAME ON THE EAST SIDE, WE'VE GOT THE FIRE LANE, A ROW OF PARKING, A 15 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. [OVERLAPPING] AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL.
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THEN YOU'VE GOT A SETBACK FROM THE MASONRY WALL TO THE PRIVACY FENCES, AND THEN ANOTHER SETBACK TO THE HOUSES ON THE EAST SIDE.IT'S NOT AS IF THE DAYCARE IS RIGHT ON TOP.
THE DAYCARE IS ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY SEPARATED AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL USES.
AGAIN, IT'S REALLY AN HONOR TO BE HERE ON BEHALF OF PRIMROSE. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
I ACTUALLY LIKE TO THANK STAFF ALSO FOR THEIR PATIENCE AND ALLOWING US TO MOVE FORWARD A COUPLE OF WEEKS LATER.
WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AGAIN, FOLKS FROM PRIMROSE ARE HERE, OUR ARCHITECTS HERE, ENGINEERS HERE, AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. BEFORE WE DIVE INTO QUESTIONS, STAY CLOSE.
OUR PUBLIC HEARING'S CURRENTLY ALREADY OPENED, SO WE DON'T NEED TO OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 21 THAT'S HERE TONIGHT?
>> I DO HAVE SOME BLUE SPEAKER CARDS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THESE PEOPLE WANT TO SPEAK.
MICHAEL LEISY, DID I PRONOUNCE THE NAME RIGHT? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK OR DID YOU JUST WANT TO SAY THAT YOU WERE IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM?
>> HE ALREADY ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
>> PERFECT. THEN DREW DENOSKI ALSO WANTS TO JUST SPEAK IN FAVOR FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM FOR QUESTIONS ONLY, BUT NOT TO SPEAK UNLESS YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND.
>> AWESOME. THEN KRISTEN ROBERTS, YOU WANT TO SPEAK OR JUST AGAIN, SAME THING, JUST TO SAY YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF IT? PERFECT. THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR BLUE SPEAKER CARDS. WE EVEN HAVE MORE.
>> THEY DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK AND THEY'RE ALL IN FAVOR.
>> STILL, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, JUST READ THEIR NAME.
>> YES. I AM GOING TO BUTCHER THIS.
[OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE]. SO SORRY.
>> HE'S NICE TO WAIVE HIS HAND. YOU WERE CLOSE ENOUGH.
>> DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT WOULD LIKE HIS RECORD OF SUPPORT, AS WELL AS [INAUDIBLE] SHARMA.
>> YOU WANT STEVE TO READ THESE?
>> WE APOLOGIZE. WE DO OUR BEST.
>> MY NAME, JON KENDALL, GETS BUTCHERED ALL THE TIME, AND SO I KNOW HOW IT IS.
>> I DO. IT'S MORE OF THE HANDWRITING THAN IT IS THE NAME.
IT LOOKS LIKE MY HANDWRITING, HARD TO READ.
VIRENDES SHARMANS IS IN SUPPORT, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK.
ANUP GADODIA IS ALSO IN SUPPORT AND DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK.
VIJAY GUNASEKARAN IS IN SUPPORT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK.
CHIRAG CHEF IS ALSO IN SUPPORT AND DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK.
VENUGOPAL SHRUTHI IS IN SUPPORT AND DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK.
THEN WE HAVE ONE MORE THAT DID NOT SAY WHETHER THEY WERE IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED, BUT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, SO I'LL LET YOU CLARIFY.
YADVENDRA JAYAPURA, IN SUPPORT?
>> YES, IN SUPPORT, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK.
>> IF IT WASN'T MARKED, THEN IF YOU HAND IT DOWN, JENNIFER, HE NEEDS TO MARK IT INSTEAD OF JUST DOING VERBAL.
[OVERLAPPING] COME UP AND SEE JENNIFER AND SIGN, PLEASE.
>> BEFORE WE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN BEHALF OF ITEM 21? IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING?
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY BRITTANY.
>> SECOND BY SEAN. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES, 5, 0.
PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF ITEM 21 HAS BEEN CLOSED.
WITH THAT, LET'S START DOWN WITH TIFFANY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? FROM THE APPLICANT, JUST REMINDERS, WE HAVE STAFF, BUT I BELIEVE WE HAVE ATTORNEY, ARCHITECTURAL FIRM, THE APPLICANT, AND ENGINEERING.
>> I JUST HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER IT.
FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE REQUIRED FEET THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA? THE SECOND QUESTION IS WHAT WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IN REGARDS TO RECONFIGURING THAT SITE?
>> THE 2015 COMP PLAN DOES NOT SPECIFY A FEET REQUIREMENT.
IT SAYS THAT THE OUTDOOR PLAY AREA SHOULD NOT BE LOCATED ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.
IN TERMS OF THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MADE, WE RECOMMENDED THAT THEY WOULD MOVE THE PLAY AREA
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TO APPEAR IN FRONT THE BUILDING OR HAVE THE BUILDING SEPARATE, BE THE BUFFER BETWEEN WHERE THAT FIRE LANE IS AND THE RESIDENTIAL AND JUST RELOCATE THE PLAY AREAS.>> BUT ONE OF THE PRIMARY REASONS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION TO DENY [NOISE] IS BASED OFF THE 2015 COMP PLAN, CORRECT?
>> BUT IT DOES NOT PRESCRIBE WHAT THAT DISTANCE IS, CORRECT?
>> SO IT'S ARBITRARY IN SOME WAYS, CORRECT?
>> WELL, LET ME RESPOND TO THAT.
ROLANDREA DOESN'T HAVE THE HISTORY.
WE HAD AN INCIDENT WHERE THE ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS WERE UPSET WITH OUTDOOR PLAY SPACE BEING ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHAT YOU NEED TO KEEP IN MIND, WHERE FRISCO HAS A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION THAT WORKS REMOTELY, SO WHAT HAS CHANGED OVER THE LAST 40 YEARS WHEN PEOPLE LEFT HOME, THEY WENT TO WORK.
YOU HAVE THE DAYCARE OPERATING, SCHOOLS OPERATING DURING THE DAY WHEN THEY'RE NOT HOME.
BUT NOW WHAT YOU HAVE IS PEOPLE WORKING FROM HOME AND NOW THEY HEAR THE KIDS THAT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC.
COUNCIL WAS VERY DIRECT WITH STAFF TO AVOID THOSE PROBLEMS BECAUSE THAT WAS A HOT INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED IN THAT AREA.
SINCE THEN, THAT'S WHAT WE WORKED TOWARDS OF BUILDING, SEPARATING THAT OUTDOOR PLAY SPACE THAT'S LOCATED 200, 250 FEET AWAY FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY.
I DO WANT TO POINT, OUT THE EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL IS NOT A SOUND WALL AT ALL.
IT WILL NOT SERVE AS A SOUND WALL.
I WANT TO BE VERY FIRM ON THAT.
THE NOISE STUDY THEY PROVIDE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE VALIDITY OF THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU ALL WANT A CONSULTANT TO REVIEW.
I'LL LOOK TO THE APPLICANT TO ABSORB THAT COST.
>> I ACTUALLY LIVE AROUND THE CORNER FROM THIS.
I LIVE IN MIRAMONTE, AND I THINK THERE'S A FANTASTIC LOCATION TO HAVE A DAYCARE, THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED.
I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO GET IT THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
>> I WILL SAY THIS, I DON'T DISAGREE.
IT'S JUST FINDING THE BEST SITE AND MEETING THE CONDITIONS.
WE'RE OPERATING WHAT HAS BEEN LAID OUT FOR US ABOUT THE OUTDOOR PLAY SPACE BEING ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
>> THE LOCATION WHERE YOU HAD AN ISSUE, WOULD THAT HAPPEN TO BE ON ELDORADO PARKWAY BY THE 7-ELEVEN?
>> NO. IT WAS IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE CITY.
>> ASK QUESTIONS, I TRIED TO BE NEUTRAL UP HERE, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT.
WHEN I SEE SO MANY BLUE CARDS COME IN, WHEN WE'RE HERE, WE DON'T GET A LOT OF BLUE CARDS, IF THEY'RE FOR OR AGAINST, BUT I'D BE LYING, I WAS TAKING A MOMENT AND I WASN'T TEXTING, I WAS JUST GOOGLING ADDRESSES TO MAKE SURE.
NOW THAT IT'S IMPERATIVE, BUT THESE ARE FRISCO RESIDENTS THAT WERE IN SUPPORT OF IT.
FOR THE FIVE, WE'RE ACTUALLY DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE PEOPLE DIRECTLY, WE'LL CALL IT, I GUESS, EAST OF HERE, ARE THE FOUR HOMES THAT ARE BEHIND THIS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THOSE WERE THE ONES DIRECTLY IMPACTED, AT LEAST, I DON'T HAVE ANY TO THE NORTH, BUT TO THE EAST.
>> A FEW QUESTIONS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS AROUND WHERE THE BOUNDARY OF FRISCO AND MCKINNEY IS.
THOSE ARE FRISCO HOMES THERE, NOT MCKINNEY HOMES?
>> EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU CALL IT.
IF IT'S A WALL, IT'S A WALL, I THINK IT'S GOING TO STOP SOUND.
IT MAY NOT BE DESIGNED TO STOP SOUND, BUT A WALL IS GOING TO STOP SOME SOUND IF IT'S MASONRY.
WHAT'S BEHIND THAT WALL? IS THERE AN ALLEY THERE? IS THERE AN ALLEY IN FRONT OF THE WALL TOWARDS THE DAYCARE?
>> ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. THERE'S AN ALLEY BACK THERE?
>> THEN THEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL FENCE INTO THEIR YARDS, RIGHT?
.>> WHEN STAFF WAS TRYING TO WORK WITH THE ARCHITECT AND THE DEVELOPER AND RECOMMENDED THAT THEY RELOCATE THE BUILDING AND THE PLAY AREA IN ORDER TO HAVE THE BUILDING ACT AS A BUFFER, DID THE DEVELOPER DO THAT, AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?
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M FEELING IS LOOKING AT IT IN ORDER TO GET THE CIRCULATION AND THE FIRE LANE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S NEEDED AROUND THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REALLY COULD DO THAT.I DON'T KNOW. WAS THAT EVEN LOOKED AT?
>> YOU HAVE TO HAVE COME UP, AND IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND THEN ANSWER COMMISSIONER MERRELL'S QUESTION.
>> YES, SIR. MIKE LYSSY WITH CROSS ARCHITECTS, 1255 WEST 15TH STREET.
I'LL LEAN A LITTLE CLOSER SO YOU CAN HEAR ME.
>> THERE WE GO. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION REGARDING THE PLACEMENT OF THE PROPERTY AND ITS POSITIONING, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE CONSIDERED.
FIRST AND FOREMOST IS THE OPERATION OF THE BUILDING AS IT RESULTS IN MOVEMENT OF THE CHILDREN INSIDE.
FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, THERE'S A REASON THAT THEY CHOOSE TO USE TWO SEPARATE PLAYGROUNDS.
YOU KEEP THE YOUNGEST CHILDREN IN ONE, YOU KEEP THE OLDER CHILDREN IN THE OTHER, REDUCES TRAVEL DISTANCES, MAKES OPERATION SMOOTHER.
IT ALSO MEANS IF THERE'S CLASSROOM TRANSITIONS, NOBODY'S TRIPPING OVER EACH OTHER, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'VE GOT TODDLERS OR YOUNGER ONES.
THERE ARE OTHER THINGS I COULD RESPOND TO, BUT I'LL DEFER IN CASE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON ANY OTHER THINGS.
>> MY QUESTION REALLY WASN'T ANSWERED THOUGH.
WAS THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, THE DESIGN OF THE WHOLE SITE, RELOOKED AT WHEN THE CITY ASKED YOU GUYS TO DO THAT?
>> YES. WE DID LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE IN ORDER TO DO THAT, AND IT WOULD NOT FIT ON THIS SITE WITHOUT A SUBSTANTIAL REDESIGN OF THE SITE.
IT WOULD ENTAIL IN ADDING ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TO THE SITE, RECONFIGURING OTHER LOTS, POTENTIALLY GOING BACK THROUGH VARIOUS PROCESSES WITH THE CITY.
>> ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS YOU'D MENTIONED THAT YOU GUYS ARE PROPOSING POTENTIALLY ADDING AN ADDITIONAL WALL AROUND THE PLAY AREAS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL? IS THAT ALLOWED? WOULD THE CITY ALLOW THAT AND HOW BIG OF A WALL WOULD THAT BE?
>> THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION. I THINK HE'S LOOKING FOR YES OR NO.
YOU ARE OPEN TO BUILDING A SECOND WALL?
>> THEN I THINK THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE FOR STAFF, IS WOULD THAT BE ALLOWED?
>> WELL, WHERE WILL THAT WALL BE ADDED?
>> AS FAR AS WALLS WOULD BE CONCERNED, AS BILL MENTIONED EARLIER, AN ADDITIONAL WALL, WE WERE OPEN TO THE OPTION OF PLACING IT AT THE NORTH END OF THE PLAYGROUND AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PLAYGROUND.
TO COMMISSIONER MERRELL'S STATEMENT EARLIER, MASS IS KIND OF THE HOLY GRAIL AS FAR AS SOUND WALLS.
THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR DOING A MASONRY WALL IN THAT REGARD.
>> COULD YOU REPEAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID THERE ABOUT THE MASONRY WALL?
>> MASONRY WALL. MASS IS THE HOLY GRAIL, SO TO SPEAK, WHENEVER IT COMES TO SOUND CONTROL.
THE HEAVIER THE WALL, THE THICKER THE WALL, THAT'S ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO CONTROL SOUND.
THERE IS MORE THAT I COULD GO INTO IN IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BORE YOU WITH TECHNICALITIES IF YOU WOULD PREFER NOT TO.
>> I CAN SAY THIS. SOUND GOES AROUND WALL.
JUST BECAUSE YOU DO A WALL ON THE EAST SIDE IS NOT GOING TO GUARANTEE IT'S GOING TO [INAUDIBLE].
I'M NOT A SOUND EXPERT, BUT I'VE STUDIED THIS QUITE A BIT ON OTHER CASES.
I'LL JUST MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT.
JUST A SOUND WALL ON THE NORTH SIDE AND IN THE EAST SIDE OF THE PLAYGROUND DOES NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO CONTAIN THE NOISE AS IT VARIES AND DEPENDS ON ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS AND HOW THE WIND BLOWS.
I CAN GUARANTEE THAT DOES HAPPEN.
>> MY LAST STATEMENT, IT'S NOT A QUESTION, BUT I DO WANT TO RECOMMEND THAT SOME OF THE CITIZENS THAT DO LIVE THERE CURRENTLY ARE IN FAVOR OF IT.
THE SECOND THEY MOVE AWAY, THERE COULD BE SOMEBODY THAT MOVES IN, SO I DO WANT PEOPLE TO CONSIDER THAT.
IF PEOPLE THAT MOVE IN WOULD BE AWARE THAT THERE'S A DAY GEAR OR THEY PURCHASED THE HOME? YOU WOULD HOPE, YES.
I THINK THEY DID SAY THAT COULD AFFECT.
>> NOT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, BUT I AM A SELF SELF PROCLAIMED AUDIO FILE.
I AM CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING ACOUSTICAL TREATMENTS FOR MY MEDI ROOM.
I HAVE DONE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH ON ACOUSTICAL TREATMENTS, WHICH THIS THOSE ARE ALL ACOUSTICAL TREATMENTS AND YOUR SEALING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THE BEST WAY TO CONTROL SOUND IS BY MASS.
SO MUCH SO THAT THERE'S PRODUCTS OUT THERE IT'S CALLED MASS LOADED VINYL.
EIGHTH OF AN INCH THICK, 1.5 POUNDS PER SQUARE FEET.
PERFECT. IT MASSES HOW HOW YOU CONTROL SOUND.
THE NORTH PLAYGROUND, IS THAT WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WOULD IT BE A SECONDARY WALL ON THE NORTH AND THE EAST BASICALLY WOULD FORM A CORNER ON THE NORTH PLAYGROUND?
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>> THE EAST ON THE SOUTH PLAYGROUND. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT?
>> FOR THE SOUTH PLAYGROUND, THE INITIAL THOUGHT WOULD BE ON THE EAST.
OBVIOUSLY, IF IT NEEDED TO BE ON THE SOUTH WALL AS WELL.
TO A POINT THAT WAS MADE EARLIER REGARDING THE SOUND STUDY, IT WAS CONDUCTED BY AN ACTUAL ACOUSTICIAN THROUGH PSI INTERTECH.
THE INFORMATION THAT IS ON THERE WAS FROM AN ACTUAL PRIMARY SCHOOL, IT OPERATES AT THE SAME TIMES AS THIS FACILITY WOULD.
THE PEAK THAT YOU SAW IN THERE WAS 65 DECIBELS, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY EQUIVALENT TO WHAT WE HAVE IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN MONITORING IT WITH PEAKS SOMEWHERE IN THE BALLPARK OF 70 DECIBELS.
THE BEST WAY TO THINK IF THAT PARTICULAR STUDY IS GREEN IS GOOD.
IF IT IS DARK GREEN, IT'S GOOD.
IF IT'S LIGHT GREEN, THAT'S GREAT, BECAUSE THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE AMBIENT NOISE LEVEL OF THE CITY OF FRISCO OR ANY OTHER THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES WOULD BE.
>> CAN WE SEE THAT AGAIN? CAN YOU PULL THAT SLIDE UP?
>> BEAR WITH ME WELL AND FINAL. THE LAST SLIDE.
>> THERE IT IS. SORRY ABOUT THAT.
THE IMAGE THAT'S ON THE LEFT HAND THAT'S GOT THE BULK OF THE SITE IN DARK GREEN, THAT'S 50 DECIBEL RANGE.
ANYTHING THAT'S IN THAT LIGHTER GREEN IS GOING TO BE 45 DECIBELS OR LESS.
AS FAR AS THE CHART IS CONCERNED, ANYTHING BELOW THAT IS FANTASTIC.
FORTY FIVE DECIBELS IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM STOPPED TALKING, WE'D BE IN THE 35-40 DECIBEL RANGE.
THAT'S ABOUT WHAT A QUIET LIVING ROOM WOULD BE, THAT THING.
>> DO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO ZOOM IN ON THE GRAPHIC SO THAT WE CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER ON A MONITOR?
>> UNFORTUNATELY, IT APPEARS I DO NOT, BUT I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO.
>> WHEN YOU GUYS DID HAVE THE HOA MEETING, AND I REALIZED THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT BECAUSE THE CITY WAS NOT THERE, BUT WAS THERE ANYBODY AGAINST IT?
>> HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTENDED? I GUESS YOU WERE YOU AT THAT MEETING?
>> I WAS THERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, AND THAT WAS MY ROLE FOR THAT MEETING.
>> HOW MANY CITIZENS WERE THERE APPROXIMATELY?
>> THAT I SPOKE TO, PROBABLY 15 OR 20, BUT I WOULD EXPECT THAT THERE WAS PROBABLY 35 OR MORE.
>> ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR HIM SPECIFICALLY OR I WANT TO MAKE SURE?
>> I HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT HERE.
REGARDING THE SOUND, DID YOU ALL LOOK AT IN ADDITION TO THE WALL AND THE THICKNESS, AND I'M GOING TO DEFER TO WHAT WARREN SAID AND WHAT YOU'VE SAID THERE.
ARE THERE ADDITIONAL DAMPENERS THAT CAN BE ADDED ON THE WALLS, TO THE WALLS, IN FRONT OF THE WALLS? WHAT OTHER THINGS DO BUILDINGS USE IN THE OUTDOOR SPACE TO ABSORB OR DAMPEN SOUND?
>> LET ME PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT AND THEN I'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
THE CONTEXT IS WHEN THIS SOUND STUDY WAS DONE, WE ASSUMED A WORST CASE SCENARIO.
THIS WAS TAKING THE LOUDEST POINT IN THE STUDY, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE ON THAT LITTLE BAR CHART ABOVE THOSE SQUIGGLY LINES.
IT PEAKED AT ABOUT 65 DECIBELS? THAT WAS FROM A MICROPHONE THAT WAS SITTING ON THE FENCE OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, THE PRIMROSE SCHOOL THAT WAS IN QUESTION.
FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE SOUND STUDY, WE TOLD THE ACOUSTICIAN WE WANT A WORST CASE SCENARIO.
THAT MEANS DO NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE MASONERY WALL.
THAT MEANS NO LANDSCAPING, NO FENCE ON OUR PORTION WITH THE PLAYGROUND.
DO NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANY OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES, PRIVACY FENCES, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, STRICTLY THE WALL. TO YOUR POINT.
THINGS LIKE LANDSCAPE AND SO FORTH, YOU'RE TYPICALLY NOT GOING TO GET ABSORPTION, BUT YOU DO GET SCATTERING, WHICH RESULTS IN SOMEWHAT OF A DISRUPTION OR MUFFLING OF THE TOWN.
THEN TO THE LAST PART TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MORE THOROUGHLY IS, YES, THERE ARE OTHER MATERIALS THAT CAN BE ADDED TO WALLS.
YOU CAN DO WALLS THAT ARE PERFORATED, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN DO STEEL PANELS WITH INSULATED LINERS INSIDE OF THEM OR PERFORATED PANELS WITH THOSE.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, MASS IS BEST, AND IT'S THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE AND LONG TERM DURABLE FOR THIS TYPE OF SITUATION, WHICH IS WHY WE SAID IF WE DID A SECOND WALL, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION.
ONE THING I WOULD MAKE SURE TO POINT OUT AS A CAVEAT.
IF A SECOND WALL IS ADDED, THE OVERALL SOUND LEVELS WILL PROBABLY NOT COME DOWN TOO MUCH BELOW THAT LIGHT GREEN COLOR.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE SOUND LEVEL OF THE WORLD.
WHAT IT WOULD MEAN IS THAT ANYTHING IN TERMS OF CHILDREN OR OTHER NOISES DIRECTLY ON THE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE NOT ONE BUT TWO LAYERS THAT WERE BOUNCING THAT SOUND BACK TO THE SOUTH OR TO THE WEST.
>> WHAT WOULD BE THE HEIGHT OF WALL?
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>> WHAT WOULD BE THE HEIGHT OF THE OTHER WALL AROUND THE SECONDARY WALL?
>> THE SECONDARY WALL, WE WOULD MOST LIKELY START AT SIX FEET, BUT THAT WOULD BE OPEN TO DISCUSSION WITH STAFF, OBVIOUSLY.
>> THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR THE ALL RIGHT.
>> STAY CLOSE. WE'LL LET YOU SIT DOWN IN. YES, SIR.
>> I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. OF COURSE, NO IT DIDN'T.
IF WE IF I WAS TO APPROVE THIS, COULD WE MAKE IT SO THAT IT WOULD BE CONDITIONALS.
>> IF SOMEONE WERE TO RECOMMEND A RECOMMENDATION TO SAY, I'D BE RECOMMENDED WITH THE CONDITION OF A SECOND WALL KNOW WHAT OUR OPTIONS WERE NORTH.
>> WELL, I ALSO WANT TO SAY DEPENDING ON THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL, YOU WOULD WANT TO SPECIFY WHAT THAT IS.
>> ANYTHING WE DO, WE NEED TO BE IN MATERIAL AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
>> BRITANNY, YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
>> I KNOW BILL MENTIONED THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR BILL OR FOR STAFF.
I'LL START WITH YOU, AND THEN IF WE NEED TO TEE IT OFF TO BILL.
BUT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WHERE THE PLAYGROUND WOULD BE AND THE ACTUAL FIRST YARD OF THE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE BACKING UP TO THE PROPERTY ON THE NORTH.
DO WE KNOW THE DISTANCE OF THAT?
STAFF DOES NOT KNOW THE EXACT MEASUREMENT FROM THAT YARD.
>> BILL, DO YOU MIND IF I ASK YOU THAT AGAIN? I THINK YOU GAVE SOME NUMBERS, I WASN'T FOR SURE.
HEARD 15, BUT THEN I THOUGHT YOU SAID 50, BUT THEN I WASN'T FOR SURE.
>> YES, COMMISSIONER, THE DISTANCE FROM THE ON THE NORTH SIDE, FROM THE FENCE FOR THE PLAYGROUND TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS ABOUT 50 FEET.
TO THE YARD IS ANOTHER 50-60 FEET, SO IT'S LIKE I'M SORRY, [INAUDIBLE]
>> IT'S OVER 80 FEET ON THE NORTH SIDE.
>> FROM THE END OF THE LINE WHERE THE PLAYGROUND ENDS TO WHERE THE YARD OR THE FENCE LINE OF THE YARD WOULD BEGIN, ALL ARE SAYING IT'S APPROXIMATELY 80 FEET.
>> LISTEN. IF MY HUSBAND IF HE'S WATCHING RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO BE SO PROUD.
>> THE NORTH SIDE, AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THIS IS A GREAT EXHIBIT.
WE'VE GOT ABOUT 50 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THEN THE FIRE LANE OR THE ALLEY, WHICH ARE DISTANCE THE ALLEY IS 15 FEET OR SO.
AND THEN ANOTHER 20 FEET OR SO TO THE HOUSE.
IT'S ABOUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S 70 FEET TO THE YARD ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND I THINK IT'S 88, AS MICHAEL SAID, ON THE EAST SIDE.
THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
>> THAT HELPS ME. I JUST WANTED TO WRITE DOWN THOSE NUMBERS AGAIN.
>> ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FOR THE APPLICANT?
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
IF YOU DON'T MIND. JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT WE'VE SAID ABOUT THE COMP PLAN FROM 2015.
THE LANGUAGE TALKS ABOUT NOT BEING ADJACENT.
THE PLAYGROUNDS SHOULD NOT BE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL?
>> CORRECT. THAT THEY SHOULD BE AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US FIND A SOLUTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN OR NOT, BUT THIS FEELS LIKE SOMETHING THAT IS WORTH TRYING TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE COMP PLAN IS NOT PRECISE.
DOESN'T DEAL WITH EVERY SINGLE SCENARIO, EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF PROPERTY, BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF PROPERTY CAN BE UNIQUE.
THE LANGUAGE OF ADJACENT IN A WAY IS NOT CLEAR ENOUGH OR SATISFYING ENOUGH TO HAVE ANOTHER APPLICANT COME AND PRESENT SOMETHING SIMILAR LIKE THIS, BUT IT HAPPENS TO BE FURTHER AWAY OR LESS ADJACENT, AND THAT'S ALL VERY SUBJECTIVE.
I APPRECIATE STAFF TRYING TO STICK AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE TO THE LANGUAGE AS BEST THEY CAN, BUT I'M AFRAID THE LANGUAGE IS NOT AS CLEAR AS IT COULD BE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US FIND A SOLUTION.
A COUPLE OF SPECIFIC THINGS, I LIKE THE IDEA OF A SECONDARY SOUND.
I'M GOING TO CALL IT A SOUND BARRIER FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, BUT SOMETHING THAT ABSORBS, DIFFUSES, DOES SOMETHING TO MINIMIZE THE SOUND COMING OUT OF THE PLAYGROUNDS.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT CREATES ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE THAT CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE NOT A TUNNEL BUT A CANYON FEEL ON THAT NORTH SIDE.
IT'S ALMOST ONE SOLUTION CREATING SOMETHING THAT I WOULD THEN WANT TO HAVE PLANNING STAFF AND MAYBE EVEN THE POLICE OR SOMEONE SPEAK UP ON ANY CONCERNS THAT THAT CREATES AS FAR AS A SAFETY FACTOR FOR THAT NORTH SIDE THERE.
THE EAST SIDE, I DON'T LIKE IT AS A CANAL OR CANYON THERE. YES, JOHN.
>> WHEN YOU SAY SAFETY FACTORS, EXPAND ON THAT, I'M CREATING AN AREA BETWEEN TWO A SIX FOOT WALL AND AN EIGHT FOOT WALL THAT HAS A SMALL CANYON FEEL.
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>> I THINK HE'S FEELING IS IN AN ALLEY WITH A SIX FOOT WALL ON ONE SIDE AND AN EIGHT FOOT WALL ON THE OTHER SIDE AS YOU GO THROUGH.
>> I'M I'M REFERRING DEFERRING TO YOU JOHN AS FAR AS SEPTED.
>> I JUST HAD TO CLARIFY IT AND KNOW IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL OR SOMETHING ELSE.
>> PROBABLY I'M GUESSING NOT A LIT AREA IN EVENING TIME.
>> YEAH OR REQUIRING ADDITIONAL LIGHTING OR SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T CREATE A DARK ALLEY UP THERE.
ON THE SOUND THING, JOHN, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU OFFERED ABOUT MAYBE HAVING ANOTHER PARTY OR SOMEONE VALIDATE SOME OF THE SO THE SOUND REPORT THAT'S BEING GIVEN TO US.
IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO THAT AND POSSIBLY TAKE IT A LITTLE FURTHER AND INCLUDE MAYBE A SOUND STUDY THAT'S DONE AT THE WORST CASE SCENARIO LIKE THEY PROVIDED, AND MAYBE A STUDY THAT SHOWS IF YOU ADD THIS AMOUNT OF WIDTH TO THE WALL OR YOU ADD THIS AMOUNT OF DAMPENERS, OR THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND SEE HOW MUCH CHANGE COULD HAPPEN FROM THOSE SOUND ABSORPTION DEVICES.
I DON'T KNOW, WARREN, IF THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING PLAUSIBLE THAT YOU HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SOUND ABSORPTION FROM THOSE?
BUT THE ENGINEER THAT HE HIRED IS AN ACOUSTICIAN.
IF ANYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THAT IT'S HILL.
I MEAN, HE'S AN EXPERT IN HIS FIELD.
>> YES, I TRY TO SAVE YOU COSTS.
I IF THE CITY WERE TO JUST VERIFY OF THEIR VALIDITY OF THEIR QUALITY, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE IT, BUT JUST VERIFY IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO DO A SECONDARY STUDY, BUT JUST CONFIRM THAT IT'S VALIDATED COMPANY.
>> ONE THING ABOUT THAT STUDY THAT I TOOK EXCEPTION TO WAS THE TIME FRAME.
IT SEEMED LIKE IT STOPPED AT AROUND 3:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.
WE KNOW DAYCARES DON'T CLOSE TILL SIX.
IF YOU MIGHT NEED TO ASK A QUESTION. LET ME ASK HIM AS.
YES. CAN I ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION.
MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, WHY DID THE GRAPH, IT APPEARS TO STOP AT 3:00?
WHAT WAS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT?
>> THAT WAS BECAUSE THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS PERFORMING THE STUDY NEEDED TO PICK UP HIS KIDS, AND SO HE PICKED UP THE MICROPHONE, AND I WENT HOME.
THEY WEREN'T ACTUALLY AT THAT DAYCARE, THEY WERE AT A DIFFERENT DAYCARE.
>> HOLD UP. THE ACOUSTICIAN ACTUALLY WENT OUT THERE AND SET UP NOISE CREATING DEVICES WITH MICROPHONES AROUND THE PERIMETER.
>> SURE. THE PROCESS IN THIS CASE, WAS ACTUALLY TO PUT THE MICROPHONE ON THE SITE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY, AND IT MEASURED THE SOUND OF THE ACTUAL CHILDREN, THE SPIKE THAT YOU SAW SEPARATE.
>> AT A DIFFERENT PRIMROSE LOCATION, JUST TO BE CLEAR.
YES. THIS WAS A DIFFERENT PRIMROSES LOCATION.
>> YES, SIR. WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THERE'S THE TWO LARGER BULGES.
THAT WAS THE FIRST GROUP OF CHILDREN THAT WENT OUT IN THE MORNING, YOU'LL SEE A SMALL DIP WHERE THEY HAD A CHANGE IN THE CLASS STRUCTURE. SECOND GROUP WENT OUT.
THE LOWER DIP THAT WAS FOR THE BULK OF THE AFTERNOON, ONE SLIGHT PEAK WHERE A VEHICLE DROVE BY.
THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF SOUND LEVEL RELATIVE TO THE KIDS VERSUS A CAR DRIVING BY.
THEN THE LAST PART WAS WHERE THE PLAYGROUND ACTIVITY PICKED BACK UP FOR THE SECOND AFTERNOON SESSION.
KRISTIN WILL START WAVING HER HEAD BACK AND FORTH, IF I SPEAK IN CORRECTLY, BUT I BELIEVE THAT AT THIS LOCATION, THE TARGET IS ABOUT 2:45 P.M. TO ABOUT 4:45, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM FRISCO PD HERE?
>> I HAVE HAD OCCASION WHERE I FOUND MYSELF WITH THE NEED TO CONTACT FRISCO PD TO FILE A NOISE COMPLAINT.
PART OF THAT PROCESS WAS THE POLICE OFFICER WILL SHOW UP WITH A DECIBEL METER AND SAY THAT THE NOISE HAS TO BE WITHIN A CERTAIN REFERENCE FROM THE SIDEWALK IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE CONSIDERED A NOISE COMPLAINT.
I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK WHAT WAS THAT SOUND LEVEL? HOW DID THAT WORK OUT AND HOW COULD THAT APPLY HERE SO THAT WE COULD UNDERSTAND JUST HOW LOUD IS IT REALLY GOING TO BE AND HOW MUCH OF A DISTURBANCE WOULD IT BE?
BUT I FEEL LIKE JON WAS TRYING TO SAY THIS EARLIER, IF IT'S A DIFFERENT LOCATION AND IF ENVIRONMENTALS PLAY INTO SOUND AND NOISE AND THE ACOUSTICS, IF YOU WILL, OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A STUDY FROM A DIFFERENT LOCATION, HOW MUCH WE CAN LAY STOCK IN THAT.
I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST TALKING OUT LOUD.
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I WANT TO FIND A SOLUTION AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW.>> YOU WANT TO ASK HIM A QUESTION ABOUT THE DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTAL OR DO YOU WANT ME TO?
>> WELL, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS OTHER STUDY WAS DONE, BUT I LIKE TO SAY, THE WHOLE REPORT AND BILL, THAT'S A QUESTION I'M GOING TO HAVE FOR YOU AND YOUR CLIENT.
THE CITY IS SELECTING ITS OWN ACOUSTICS TO REVIEW THE STUDY AND COMPENSATION.
>> JUST AS MUCH AS I LOVE BEING HERE.
WHAT I WAS GOING TO BRING UP IS, THIS IS WHAT I'M GATHERING.
I'M NOT GOING TO STOP ANYONE FROM SPEAKING, BUT THERE'S LEGS HERE.
I THINK THE COMMISSION IS OPEN TO IT.
I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU.
BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THIS SOUND STUDY.
I KNOW IT LOOKS VERY FAVORABLE THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN ANYONE OPPOSED TO THIS.
I THINK THE STAFF WOULD HAVE LIKED TO MAYBE BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT HOA MEETING.
POSSIBLY, I'M NOT SAYING IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AGAIN, BUT MAKING SURE.
BUT IF THE CITY HAD TIME TO TABLE THIS AND THEN GO AND GET MORE DETAILS OF THE SOUND STUDY THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS UP WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, AND THEN COME BACK AND THEN PROBABLY MAKE A MORE EDUCATED DECISION.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE SOUND STUDY, I'D LIKE TO SEE ONE WITH THE WALL AROUND THE PLAYGROUND THAT YOU PROPOSE AND ONE WITHOUT JUST TO SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE.
BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE, THEN WHY EVEN DO IT AND THAT ELIMINATES THE CANYON PART.
>> HOW WILL THEY DO THAT WITH A WALL THAT DOESN'T EXIST?
>> YEAH, YOU CAN MODEL IT EASILY. FOR TEXTILE WALLS, FOR SOUND WALLS, WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME
>> DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL [INAUDIBLE] THIS?
>> JON, I LIKE YOUR IDEA. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION EITHER TO TABLE OR DENY OR APPROVE.
>> I JUST WANT TO ASK ROLANDREA A QUESTION THAT I HAD WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP.
HOW MANY, NOT ACTUAL NUMBER, BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE DAYCARES THAT ARE IN FRISCO THAT WERE BUILT PRIOR TO THIS CHANGE IN RULINGS.
HOW FREQUENTLY DO WE GET COMPLAINTS FROM OTHER DAYCARES THAT ARE OLDER AND HAVE THEIR PLAYGROUNDS, WHAT YOU DESCRIBE AS ADJACENT OR CLOSE TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS? I GUESS ARE THERE ARE SOME OTHER MODELS IN TOWN THAT WE COULD GO LOOK AT, AS COMMISSIONERS, IF THIS WERE TO GET TABLED TO GO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT SET UP LOOKS LIKE, AND THEN FIND OUT FROM STAFF HOW OFTEN THERE'S ISSUES?
>> I WILL SAY, DURING MY TIME HERE AT THE CITY OF FRISCO, WE HAVE STAYED AWAY FROM PUTTING THE PLAY AREA ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL.
SINCE WE'VE HAD THAT POLICY IN THAT DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, WE HAVE STAYED AWAY FROM IT.
I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A NUMBER OF INSTANCES WHERE WE RECEIVE COMPLAINTS, AND I DON'T HAVE LOCATIONS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD TO GIVE YOU.
>> THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS, HYPOTHETICALLY IF THERE'S X NUMBER OF DAYCARES THAT EXIST OUT THERE TODAY AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR 15, 20 YEARS, AND THEY'RE NOT RECEIVING ANY COMPLAINTS, IT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM.
IT JUST GIVES US AN IDEA OF COMPARING BEFORE THE POLICY WAS PUT IN PLACE, WHERE THERE COULD BE SOME PLAYGROUNDS THAT ARE CLOSER TO RESIDENCES, COMPARING WITH AFTER THE POLICY WAS PUT IN PLACE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE IN COMPLAINTS.
>> WHAT WE'LL DO, THERE'S A LITTLE MORE HISTORY TO IT, AND I'LL FILL YOU IN.
UNTIL PROBABLY AROUND ABOUT 2000 OR SO THE OUTDOOR PLAY SPACE WAS LESS THAN WHAT IT WAS TODAY. THEY FOLLOWED STATE LAW.
STATE LAW IS 80 SQUARE FEET PER CHILD THAT'S OUT IN THE YARD AT ANY ONE TIME.
IF YOU HAD 100 KIDS AND AND YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO ALLOW TWO OUTSIDE, THEN YOU ONLY NEED BASICALLY 160 SQUARE FEET.
WE OPT IT WHERE IT'S BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE LICENSED FOR BY THE STATE.
IF IT'S 100 STUDENTS THEN TIMES 65 SQUARE FEET, THAT DETERMINES THE MINIMUM OPEN SPACE.
I WANT TO CAUTIOUSLY MAKE THAT NOTE.
BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS GO BACK AND LOOK AT ALL THE DAYCARES AND SHOW WHAT THE DISTANCE FACTORS ARE.
BUT WE HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING COUNCIL'S LEAD ON THIS AND DOING IT.
WE HAVE NOTED IN NUMEROUS CASES THAT HAS COME BEFORE THIS BOARD AND TO CITY COUNCIL, THERE'S A BUILDING IN BETWEEN OR IT'S 270 FEET AWAY FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL.
WE CAN BRING THAT. IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WANT TO TABLE, I WANT TO SAY AT LEAST TABLE TO THE MARCH 25TH MEETING, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TO PULL THIS INFORMATION TOGETHER, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT HOW QUICKLY WE'RE GOING TO GET
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SOUND STUDY INFORMATION AND THEY'RE GOING TO FINANCIALLY CONTRIBUTE.AGAIN, I'M NEVER TRYING TO CUT ONE OFF.
JUST SO THAT I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THERE IS A POTENTIAL TO PROPOSE TABLING THIS.
BUT WHAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR COMMISSIONERS KNOW IS STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL.
BUT THERE'S AN APPETITE THAT WHAT I'VE HEARD IS SAYING, IF THE SOUND IS NOT AS BAD AS WE BELIEVE, THAT SOME OF YOU WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IT.
I JUST WANT TO CAUTION YOU THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO TABLE IT AND THEN STAFF WORK WITH IT, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT EITHER WAY BECAUSE STAFF RECOMMEND AGAINST IT.
IF THE SOUND IS NOT GOING TO DO IT, YOU'RE JUST SETTING THEM UP FOR FAILURE.
I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND, IF YOU'RE TABLING I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GOING, ALL RIGHT, IF THE SOUND REPORTS COME BACK FAVORABLE AND WE CAN ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO, THAT YOU WOULD THEN BE IN SUPPORT OF IT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT AS YOU MAKE A MOTION, NOT TO TELL YOU WHICH WAY OR NOT. ANY QUESTIONS?
I LIVE AROUND THE CORNER FROM THERE.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS DEVELOPMENT BE EXECUTED.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA FOR US TO FIND A SOLUTION.
>> THAT QUESTION JUST FOR THE APPLICANT, DO YOU WANT US TO FOR OR AGAINST IT OR ARE YOU OPEN TO TABLING, IF THAT'S PUT OUT THERE? BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE ON THE TIMELINE OF CLOSING.
IF YOU SAY, I NEED IT VOTED TONIGHT, OR ARE YOU OPEN TO TABLING?
>> I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT AND A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
>> I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, JON.
THE ONLY CAVEAT WOULD BE, IF ANYTHING UNEXPECTED COMES UP TO WHERE THE SOUND BARRIER SATISFIES US NOISE WISE, BUT IT CREATES SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
THE CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT THAT NORTHERN AREA.
I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO CHECK, LET US KNOW WHAT YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THAT AREA WOULD BE AS FAR AS SAFETY AND SEPTA AND ALL OF THAT.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SAY, IF WE DO TABLE IT AND THEY COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT STAFF CHANGE THEIR MIND NEXT TIME AND SAY, WE NOW RECOMMEND IT, IS THAT POSSIBLE?
>> OF COURSE, THAT STAFF COULD, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT STAFF COULD.
>> THE GOAL IS THAT WE ACTUALLY COME UP WITH A DESIGN THAT STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF.
I WOULD MAKE A BLANKET STATEMENT TO THEM.
IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THE LEVEL OF COOPERATION BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND STAFF HAS NOT BEEN WHAT IT COULD BE, THAT'S THE WAY IT READS.
I WOULD ADMONISH YOU GUYS TO GET ON BOARD.
WHATEVER HE ASKED FOR, GIVE IT TO HIM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IF I'M SITTING HERE AND IT HAS TO GO UP OR DOWN TONIGHT, I'M FOLLOWING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
>> THE LAST THING THAT I MIGHT ADD IS, I DO WISH THAT STAFF WAS THERE DURING AN HOA MEETING, AND I DO WANT TO COMMEND THOSE THAT CAME HERE AND SPOKE, BUT GAVE THEIR RECOMMENDATION FOR IT.
BUT IT WOULD NOT BE THE WORST THING TO IF IT'S HOLD AN HOA MEETING OR COME HAVE ONE SPEAK IN BEHALF OF THE HOAS, JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU A POTENTIAL FEATHER IN YOUR CAP. YES.
>> I HAVE ONE THING. I THINK IF WE TABLE IT, I THINK WE NEED TO ALSO GIVE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT SOME GUIDANCE.
I THINK WE NEED TO ADD IN THERE THAT SOUND STUDY.
I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO ADD THAT THOSE DRAWINGS BE REVISED INSTEAD OF COMING WITH THE SAME ONES.
I'M JUST GOING OFF OF WHAT OVERALL EVERYBODY SAID.
IN TERMS OF PUTTING A MINIMUM SIX FOOT SOUND WALL, AND WHAT TYPE OF MATERIAL, AND THEN ON WHAT SIDE, THE NORTHERN EAST SIDE OF THE PLAYGROUND.
I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF JUST TABLING IT.
THAT WAY, IT BECOMES A WHOLE LOT SMOOTHER AND WE CAN LOOK AT THE WHOLE PACKAGE TOGETHER AND MAKE STAFF JOB A LITTLE BIT EASIER WHEN THEY DO HAVE TO REVIEW IT.
>> JON, MINIMUM FOR SCREENING PURPOSE IS EIGHT FEET, CORRECT?
>> CORRECT. YEAH, EIGHT FEET IS THE MINIMUM. IT'S THE SECONDARY.
I THINK WE DON'T WANT TO INCLUDE THAT.
I THINK APPLICANT AND STAFF, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD WHAT COMMISSIONER WALES MENTIONED WITH THAT.
>> CAN WE ADD TO WHAT TIFFANY SAID ABOUT THE SOUND STUDY.
SOMEONE ASKED IF WE COULD BLOW IT UP SO IT'S EASIER TO READ.
IF THAT COULD BE REDONE SO THAT THE SOUND STUDY IS BIG AND BOLD.
>> YEAH. WE NEED TO READ IT TOO.
>> NONE OF US ARE IN OUR 30S OR 20S ANYMORE, SO.
>> WE HAVE TWO WOMEN THAT ARE STILL IN THEIR LATE 20S.
>> HE'S STILL CONFUSED ABOUT NUMBERS TONIGHT.
>> HEY, JON. THERE'S A THING I DO WANT TO ADD IS CREATING HEAT POCKETS.
WHAT THE GENTLEMAN DESCRIBED WITH CROSS ABOUT FORMING A WALL, ESPECIALLY ON THE NORTH SIDE, IS IN THE SUMMERTIME YOU CREATE A HEAT.
EXAMPLE IS RIGHT BACK HERE WHEN YOU COME IN THE BACK DOOR IN THE SUMMERTIME,
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IT'S REALLY HOT THERE BECAUSE IT'S HARD FOR THE AIR TO CIRCULATE.HE DIDN'T MENTION ABOUT HAVING IT PERFORATED FOR AIR CIRCULATION, BUT THAT HAS TO BE A FACTOR IF CHILDREN ARE GETTING PUT OUT THERE, SO THEY'RE NOT IN STAGNANT HOT AIR.
BECAUSE THE WIND WHEN IT BLOWS, IT WILL GO OVER.
YOU GET HOT AIR THAT BUILDS UP.
CREATES A DOME AND THE WIND SHOOTS OVER IT, IT'S DIFFICULT TO VENTILATE.
>> YEAH. BECAUSE WE MAY NOT WANT A SECOND WALL IF IT WERE TO MOVE FORWARD.
I THINK YOU'VE GOT SOME DIRECTION.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM 21.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE MARCH 25.
>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS BEFORE YOU MAKE THE MOTION.
DID YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? NOW, IT'S UP TO YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT IF YOU WANT TO OPEN AND CONTINUE OR YOU CAN JUST LEAVE IT CLOSED.
THERE MIGHT BE ADDITIONALS, SO I WOULD SAY WE OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 21?
>> SECOND BY SEAN. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 5 - 0.
PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN ON ITEM 21.
>> MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL THE MARCH 25TH MEETING, AND CONTINUE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
>> SECOND BY BRITTANY. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 5 - 0.
THIS HAS BEEN TABLED TO THE MARCH 25TH MEETING. APPRECIATE Y'ALLS TIME.
[Public Hearing - Specific Use Permit: Preston Trail at West Rowlett Creek, Block A, Lot 1 (SUP24-0020)]
ITEM 22, PUBLIC HEARING, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, PRESTON TRAIL AT WEST ROWLETT CREEK, BLOCK A, LOT 1 SUP 24-0024, OWNERS PRESTON TRAIL MINISTRY INC.>> WE'LL BE PATIENT. ROLANDREA IS HELPING SOMEONE OUT.
>> YOU WANT TO PASS THOSE DOWN? THESE WERE THEIR ONCE. SORRY.
>> I JUST READ IN. ROLANDREA, I THINK WAS JUST FINISHING.
YOU'RE OKAY. YOU WERE WORKING.
>> BUT IT HAS BEEN TURNED OVER TO YOU.
THE REQUEST THAT WAS JUST READ INTO THE RECORD IS FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A LICENSED DAYCARE ON A PORTION OF THE SUBJECT LOT.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A CHILDCARE CENTER WITH A MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT OF 28 STUDENTS.
WITH THIS 28 STUDENTS, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 65 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR PLAY AREA PER STUDENT.
THIS TOTAL IS 1,820 SQUARE FEET.
THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING 5,498 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR PLAY AREA.
THIS PLAY AREA AS SHOWN ON THE MAP IS WITHIN 720 FEET TO THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND IS SEPARATED BY A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, WHICH IS INDEPENDENT PARKWAY.
THE OUTDOOR PLAY AREA IS ALSO 1,060 FEET FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH.
THIS USE IS PERMITTED IN THE REGULATING PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH THE APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
THE PROPOSED CHILDCARE IS LOCATED IN THE MAIN BUILDING OF THE CHURCH THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY CONSTRUCTED IN 2018.
THE CHILDCARE FACILITY WILL SERVE THE CHURCH'S STAFF AND FUNCTIONS AS AN INTERNAL SERVICE.
THE APPLICANT HAS DECLINED TO SIGN THE VOLUNTARY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THAT LETTER WAS PROVIDED TO YOU ALL IN YOUR PACKET.
WE DID SEND OUT THE NECESSARY NOTICES, AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY INPUT.
STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS REQUEST, AS IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AS THEY EXIST AND WILL DEVELOP IN THE FUTURE AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU. BEFORE QUESTIONS, IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND DO THEY WISH TO SPEAK? NO.
>> THIS A PUBLIC HEARING DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 22?
>> SECOND BY TIFFANY. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES FIVE, ZERO.
WE ARE OPEN FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 22.
>> SEEING NONE, MOVE TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> SECOND BY TIFFANY. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSE. MOTION PASSES FIVE, ZERO.
PUBLIC HEARING PORTION IS CLOSED FOR ITEM 22.
I KNOW I HAD JUST ONE QUESTION, BUT ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE? I SEE THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDING FOR APPROVAL, BUT AS I READ IT, THEY DIDN'T SIGN THE DA OR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
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>> WHEN I ASK, I ALMOST HEAR MY, IS THERE ANY CONCERN, BUT YOU SAY YOU REC FOR APPROVAL? IS THAT?
>> THE BUILDING IS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED.
IT'S GONE THROUGH ALL THE NECESSARY APPROVALS, AND SO THEY'RE JUST CREATING A SPACE THAT WILL BE OPERATING AS THE CHILDCARE FACILITY WITH A LICENSE FROM THE STATE.
>> NO CONCERNS WITH THAT AT ALL?
>> I DIDN'T THINK SO BECAUSE [INAUDIBLE] JUST WANTED AS I READ THAT.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR APPLICANT? IF NOT, ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 22 BASED UPON STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY TIFFANY.
>> SECOND BY SHAWN. ALL IN FAVOR.
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES FIVE, ZERO.
[Public Hearing - Comprehensive Plan Amendment: Adopt the 2040 Comprehensive Plan (CA25-0001)]
CONGRATULATIONS, Y'ALL. ITEM 23.PUBLIC HEARING, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, ADOPTION THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CA 25-0001, OWNERS CITY OF FRISCO.
>> YES, JON, JUST A FEW STATEMENTS BEFORE I TURN IT OVER.
THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.
FIRM OF FREESE AND NICHOLS WAS HIRED.
WE HAVE DAN SEFKO WHO WILL BE PRESENTING ALONG WITH DANIEL HARRISON.
I JUST WANT TO MENTION IF THOSE TWO MAKE THEIR STATEMENTS, RICK FLETCHER, WHO'S THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVISORY CHAIR, WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS.
>> WE'LL LET YOU THREE SPEAK AND THEN WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC HEARING.
>> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS DAN SEFKO WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS, THE LEAD CONSULTANT ON THE PLAN.
WE ARE VERY PLEASED TO PRESENT THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO YOU ALL TO EVENING AS RECOMMENDED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH WE HAVE FONDLY REFERRED TO AS CPAC COMMITTEE.
JON'S ALREADY MADE THE INTRODUCTIONS, DANIEL HARRISON WILL BE MAKING SOME COMMENTS AFTER I CONCLUDE HERE, AND THEN WE'LL LEAVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR QUESTIONS AS YOU DEEM APPROPRIATE.
JUST BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION, THE PURPOSE OF THIS EVENING IS IF YOU DEEM APPROPRIATE, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE DRAFT PLAN TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO TONIGHT IF YOU DEEM SO AS APPROPRIATE.
ALSO, BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION, JUST A TIMELINE.
THESE ARE THE COMMENTS THAT DANIEL HARRISON IS GOING TO GO OVER AND SUMMARIZE FOR YOU THIS EVENING.
BUT JUST BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION, THE TIMELINE, WE'VE STARTED THIS JOURNEY IN 2023.
WE'VE HAD A GREAT STEERING COME, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WELL ATTENDED THROUGH ALL THE MEETINGS, THEY STUCK WITH US.
WE HAVE BEEN VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE DILIGENCE THAT THEY'VE SPENT.
SOME OF YOU ALL HAVE BEEN IN THE MEETINGS TOO.
WE'VE TRIED TO TOUCH THE BASIS ON A LOT OF THE ISSUES WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL, AND WE'RE HOPEFUL IT'S EVIDENT.
DANIEL HARRISON WILL SUMMARIZE THOSE FOR YOU.
AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE TIMELINE, WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE REALLY ADDRESSED ALL THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DANIEL HARRISON AND HE'S GOT A BRIEF SUMMARY OF ABOUT 15 MINUTES TO SUMMARIZE THE WHOLE PROCESS AND PLAN FOR YOU.
THEN, OF COURSE, WE'LL BE AVAILABLE IF FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
AFTER DANIEL SPEAKS, MR. FLETCHER, HE WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS AS WELL. DANIEL.
>> AS YOU'RE COMING UP, DANIEL, ACTUALLY, EVERYONE THAT COMES UP WILL NEED YOU TO FILL OUT A BLUE SPEAKER CARD.
>> WELL, THANK YOU. WELL, WE'LL WALK THROUGH THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE PLAN.
AS DAN MENTIONED, OUR CONFERENCE OF PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
WE HAD 27 FRISCO RESIDENTS FROM THE P&Z, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, FRISCO EDC, PARKS BOARD, THE ISD, OTHER INTERESTED CITIZENS, 22 MEETINGS ACROSS 18 MONTHS.
A COUPLE OF PICTURES THAT WE HAVE HERE, OUR FINAL PICTURE FROM OUR LAST MEETING, BUT WE HAD A LOT OF INTERACTIVE ACTIVITIES AND FEEDBACK AS WE WOULD BREAK OUT INTO DIFFERENT GROUPS TO PROCESS THE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES, ACTIONS, AND OBJECTIVES OF THE PLAN.
WE HAD DIFFERENT WORKSHOPS WITH THE COUNCIL.
THE COUNCIL HELPED US KICK OFF THE PLAN WITH THE CPAC.
BUT THAT WAS THAT IN JUNE BACK IN 2023.
WE'VE HAD STAFF WORKSHOPS WHERE WE WORKED WITH
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THE DIFFERENT CITY DEPARTMENTS TO GET THEIR INPUT, UPDATED THE FRISCO EDC TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON.BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE HAD REPRESENTATION ON OUR CPAC FROM THE EDC.
COUNCIL WORKSHOPS, AND OF COURSE, THE WORKSHOP THAT WE HAD WITH YOU AND THE COUNCIL BACK IN DECEMBER TO IRON OUT SOME OF THOSE FINAL ELEMENTS.
SOME OF THE OPEN HOUSES WE HAD, WE OF COURSE KICKED OFF THE CONFERENCE AND PLANNING PROCESS WITH AN OPEN HOUSE TO HELP GATHER FEEDBACK, HELP PLAN THE VISION, DEVELOP OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES, REALLY GET US THE DIRECTION FOR THE CONTENT.
THEN WE HAD A OPEN HOUSE AT THE END OF THE DOCUMENT WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW PEOPLE THE RESULTS, THE STORYBOARDING THAT WE DID, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE OUTCOMES FROM OUR WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAD, FEEDBACK ON THE FUTURE LANE USE PLAN, AND OF COURSE, PEOPLE WERE ALSO ABLE TO PARTICIPATE ONLINE.
JUST A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PHOTOS FROM THOSE EVENTS, YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN.
WHAT WE REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS ON TONIGHT IS JUST HELPING TO TELL THE STORY BECAUSE THAT WAS A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM THE PNC AND ALSO THE COUNCIL.
OF COURSE, WE HAVE SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES IN THE DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN LOOK BACK AND SAY, WHAT ARE REALLY OUR GUIDEPOSTS AS WE DEVELOP? WE WANT TO FOCUS COURSE ON OUR CULTURE AND OUR PEOPLE HERE IN THE CITY, DEVELOPMENT, DESIGN, WHAT WE'RE KNOWN FOR, GREAT HOUSING, GREAT COMMUNITY, JOBS AND FINANCE, OF COURSE, WORKING WITH THE EDC ABOUT GROWING AND DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN REGIONALISM AND INFLUENCE.
WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT TELLING THE STORY, WE STARTED OFF WITH THESE STORYBOARDS THAT REALLY HELP FRAME THE PLAN.
HERE'S THE VERY BEGINNING OF IT.
OF COURSE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INTRO AND THE HISTORICAL GROWTH OF FRISCO BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK TO A LOT OF FRISCO RESIDENTS, OF COURSE, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HEAR ABOUT IS THE AMAZING GROWTH THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE YEARS.
WE REALLY WANTED TO CAPTURE THAT INFORMATION.
THEN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CONTEXT OF FRISCO.
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE KEY THINGS THAT HAVE REALLY SHAPED AND DEFINED THE COMMUNITY AND HELP SPUR THE GROWTH? WE ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT AND LOOK AT OUR REGION, HOW IMPORTANT FRISCO IS TO THE REGION.
WE THINK ABOUT ALSO HOW OUR REGION IS DEVELOPING.
WE LIVE IN A GREAT STATE. WE LIVE IN A GREAT REGION.
HOW ARE WE ACCOMMODATING THAT AND HOW THE PREVIOUS PLANES HAVE DONE THAT AND HOW ARE WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO THAT? THEN IF WE ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, WE CAN LOOK AT THE DFW AREA, OR TEXAS TRIANGLE WITH AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO, IN HOUSTON.
ONCE AGAIN, TEXAS IS A TOP-GROWING STATE, BEEN NUMBER 1 FOR JOB CREATION FOR A LONG TIME NOW AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTIME IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
OUR OTHER REGIONS IN THE STATE AND THIS TEXAS TRIANGLE ARE GROWING VERY SIMILAR TO HOW WE'RE GROWING, LOTS OF EXPANSIVE GROWTH.
THAT WAS JUST A COUPLE OF THE ZOOM-INS.
NOW, WHEN WE GET INTO OUR DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION CHAPTERS, WE CONTINUE THIS STORYTELLING.
AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THESE CHAPTERS, THERE'S THESE FOUR PAGES, OR WE CALL [INAUDIBLE] SPREAD WHERE A READER CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND, WHAT ARE THE KEY ELEMENTS.
YES, WE HAVE ALL THE DETAIL PAGES THAT PEOPLE CAN GET INTO, THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR STAFF AND DEVELOPERS OFFERING RECOMMENDATIONS.
HERE ON THIS FIRST PAGE, WE REALLY GIVE AN INTRODUCTION.
THE HANDWRITTEN NOTES, THOSE ARE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WE GATHERED DURING OUR FIRST OPEN HOUSE, SO WE CAN REALLY START TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE WERE SAYING.
THEN WE REALLY SUMMARIZE THAT INTO THESE COLUMNS HERE TO EXPAND ON WHAT WAS THE COMMUNITY INPUT WE RECEIVED IN THIS CHAPTER.
WHAT THE CHAPTER OBJECTIVES ARE, AND THEN WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH THAT CHAPTER? WE ALSO GIVE ON THE NEXT PAGE SOME DETAILED HIGHLIGHTS.
THERE'S TEXT AND THERE'S PICTURES, THERE'S THESE BLUE ICONS FOR THIS CHAPTER ON THE TOP OF THE PAGE, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THESE ELEMENTS MEAN.
THEN THERE'S A MAP ON THE FOLLOWING PAGE, THAT REALLY SHOW WHERE THESE ARE GOING TO BE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
ONCE AGAIN, REALLY TRYING TO MAKE THIS A USER-FRIENDLY DOCUMENT.
THEN ON THE VERY LAST YOU CAN [INAUDIBLE] ON THAT COLUMN, LOOKING FORWARD, EACH OF THESE CHAPTERS WE SAY, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FORWARD TO AND WHAT ARE THE CHANGES THAT WE SEE COMING FORWARD? IN OUR STORYBOARD ELEMENTS, WE DO THAT FOR EVERY CHAPTER.
OUR PLAN FRAMEWORK, SETTING THAT UP.
WE DO IT FOR OUR LAND USE CHAPTER, WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE LAND USES, OUR LAND USE MAP, OUR TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY CHAPTER, OUR PUBLIC FACILITIES CHAPTER, OUR HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THEN LASTLY, IN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CHAPTER.
ALL THAT STORYBOARDED SO PEOPLE CAN SEE WHERE THOSE ELEMENTS ARE IN THE COMMUNITY.
I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THE JOINT WORKSHOP THAT WE HAD WITH YOU AND THE COUNCIL AND THE CPAC BACK IN DECEMBER.
JUST A COUPLE OF PICTURES FROM THAT.
OF COURSE, WE HAD THAT MEETING TO PRESENT THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN AND TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK, AND THAT WAS OVER AT THE SENIOR CENTER.
WHAT WE DID AT THAT, WE HAD SOME OUTCOMES FROM THAT MEETING.
WE'LL JUST SORT OF HIGHLIGHT THOSE REAL QUICKLY HERE.
WE WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THE WHY BECAUSE WHAT WE DID, OUR JUNE MEETING, WHEN WE MET WITH THE COUNCIL, THEY REALLY ENCOURAGED US TO FOCUS ON REALLY TELLING THAT STORY.
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WE HAD ALL THE DETAILS AND OUR CPAC HAD SPENT MANY MEETINGS GOING THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS TO FOCUS WE HAVE 256 ACTIONS IN THIS PLAN, BUT REALLY WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON WHAT WERE THE HIGHLIGHTS.THE COUNCIL TOLD US AT THAT MEETING, DID A GOOD JOB, TELLING THE STORY, BUT WE REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON THE WHY.
WHAT WE'VE DONE, WE'VE ADDED TEXT TO REALLY EXPLAIN WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT, WHERE WE CAME FROM AS A SMALLER COMMUNITY, AND WE HAVE IT ALSO ON THE STORYBOARD ELEMENTS, SO YOU COULD SEE THE WHY.
YOU COULD SEE THE HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO SEE WHERE WE'RE GOING IN THE FUTURE.
ALL THOSE THINGS ARE SPELLED OUT IN EACH ONE OF THOSE CHAPTERS SO IT'S EASILY DIGESTIBLE.
THE SECOND THING THAT YOU MAY REMEMBER THE MAYOR MENTIONED TALKING ABOUT A 3D MAP TO SORT OF SEE SOME OF THE DENSITIES AND SOME OF THE RANGES IN THE PLAN.
WE ADDED THAT ELEMENT, SO YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THOSE DENSITIES RELATED TO WHERE THEY ARE ON THE MAP, AND THEN, OF COURSE, HOW TALLER IS THE MORE DENSE PROJECTS.
SOME OF THE PLACE TYPES OR THE LAND USE CATEGORIES, YOU'D CALL THEM.
WE'VE UPDATED THE NAMES BASED UPON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE WERE HAVING.
THERE WERE SOME CONSOLIDATION.
WE DID HAVE ONE INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPE, BUT THAT WAS MORE OF WHAT STAR BUSINESS PARK WAS, AND SO WE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS, WE COMBINED THOSE INTO ONE LAND USE PLACE TYPE.
OTHER PLACE TYPES, WE DID SOME EDITING IN SOME OF THE DASHBOARDS THAT YOU SEE THERE FROM INDUSTRIAL USES.
WE CALL THEM MODERN INDUSTRIES.
THAT'S JUST A REFLECTION OF HOW THOSE UPDATED PAGES LOOK.
OOPS. SORRY, I SKIPPED AHEAD A LITTLE BIT.
WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS.
SOME CHANGES THAT WE HAD THERE.
WE HAD PREVIOUSLY CALLED SOME THINGS REGULATORY AND VISIONARY.
WE UPDATED THAT TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT THIS IS WHAT'S ENTITLED.
IF ZONING JUST HAPPENS AS IT DOES, HERE'S WHAT'S ENTITLED, THEORETICAL WAS MORE THINKING ABOUT IF WE HAVE A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT, WHAT COULD THAT LOOK LIKE IF WE SEE MASSIVE REDEVELOPMENT? HAVING THOSE CLARIFICATIONS IN THE DOCUMENT.
WE ALSO TALKED A LOT ABOUT 121 AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR DIFFERENT LAND USE CATEGORIES.
WE WERE TALKING A LOT ABOUT 121 AND THE ELEMENTS THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IN THERE.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT WE SHOULD REALLY FOCUS ON HAVING A SEPARATE STUDY FOR REALLY DIVING INTO SOME OF THOSE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT 121 SHOULD LOOK LIKE BECAUSE WE'VE DONE OTHER CORRIDOR STUDIES WHERE WE CAN DIVE ONLY INTO THAT CORRIDOR AND TALK MORE IN-DEPTH THAN WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LEVEL IS REALLY AT THE 30,000-FOOT LEVEL.
WE CAN DIVE INTO MORE DETAIL IN THAT TYPE OF EFFORT.
FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS, JUST SOME CLARIFICATIONS ON SOME OF THE NUMBERS.
RUNNING THE NUMBERS ON THE FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS.
WHAT THAT DOES IS WE TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THE FUTURE LAND USES.
WE TAKE A LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONEY AND TAXES IS REALLY SERVICING THESE AREAS.
WE ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW MUCH TAX REVENUE IS GENERATED FROM THOSE PROPERTIES, BOTH IN [INAUDIBLE] TAXES AND SALES TAXES.
RUNNING THE DIFFERENT MODELS IN THERE, WE CAN SEE ON THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WHAT THAT WOULD PRODUCE.
BY 2040, THERE WOULD BE A $360 MILLION NET FISCAL IMPACT.
THAT WOULD MEAN THE LAND USES WOULD BE PRODUCING MORE IN TAXABLE REVENUE THAN WHAT WE ARE SPENDING CURRENTLY TO SERVICE THOSE AREAS.
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE PLAN GOING IN FUTURE BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN KEEP TAXES LOW RATHER THAN IF IT WAS REVERSED SAYING THAT IF WE CONTINUE WITH THIS MODEL, WE MAY HAVE TO RAISE TAXES TO SUPPORT THAT.
THAT'S INDICATOR OF, IT WOULD BE A NET BENEFIT USING ON TAXES WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MODEL.
NUMBER 7 POTENTIAL FUTURE TRANSIT STATIONS.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE ELEMENTS. PREVIOUSLY, THERE WERE FIVE ON THE MAP, THAT WENT DOWN TO THREE.
THE LOCATIONS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT TO MATCH THE CITY'S CURRENT PLANNING EFFORTS ALSO WITH THE NORTH TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS ON THAT MOBILITY PLAN THAT THEY HAVE.
JUST SOME MINOR UPDATES ON THAT.
WE WANTED TO CALL ATTENTION TO.
WE DID ALSO ADD THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE MULTIFAMILY POLICY THAT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN FRISCO FOR A LONG TIME, SO MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS CAPTURED OR ENCAPSULATED INTO THE DOCUMENT ITSELF, SO JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS IN THERE AS WELL.
THEN ALSO IN THE APPENDICES, WE DID ADD THE LAND USE POLICIES FROM THE PREVIOUS CONFERENCE OF PLAN TO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS MOVING FORWARD.
WITH THAT, WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL BE HERE OF COURSE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
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THEN I THINK RICK WAS GOING TO COME UP AND SAY SOMETHING AND THEN WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.>> THIS HAS BECOME SOMEWHAT ROUTINE.
DEPENDING ON IF DANIEL GOES FIRST OR I GO FIRST.
WE TEND TO STEAL EACH OTHER'S THUNDER.
I'LL PROBABLY ADD SOME OF MY REMARKS THAT I'M GOING TO READ INTO THE RECORD FROM A COUPLE OF HOURS AGO.
BUT I'M REALLY HERE AS THE RESIDENT AS THE CHAIR OF THE CPAC COMMITTEE.
DID REALLY SPEAK ABOUT THE INTEGRITY AND THE PROCESS THAT WE USED FROM THE RESIDENT PERSPECTIVE VERSUS STAFF VERSUS THE CONSULTANTS.
>> I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK THROUGH HOW WE GOT HERE.
IN 2023, CITY COUNCIL APPOINTED 18 FRISCO RESIDENTS TO SERVE ON THE 2025 CPAC TEAM.
SIX OTHER RESIDENTS WERE ADDED TO THE CPAC TEAM REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, PLANNING & ZONING, FISD, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, PARKS & REC, AND THE FRISCO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
EQUALLY DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE FOUR GEOGRAPHIC QUADRANTS OF THE CITY, STRIVING TO GET THE WIDEST SPECTRUM OF FRISCO RESIDENTS PROVIDING INPUT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THERE'S FIVE OF US CPAC MEMBERS HERE IN THE ROOM TONIGHT.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS IS NOT NEW TO FRISCO.
A LOT OF YOU KNOW I'M A HISTORY GUY.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE PLANS TODAY, I HAVE FOUND A COPY OF THE '06 PLAN IN MY PAPER ARCHIVES.
ALSO THE '15 PLAN AND NOW THE '25, AND WE REALLY HAVE GOTTEN A WHOLE LEVEL ABOVE EACH TIME WE GO.
THIS IS OUR SIXTH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE FIRST ONE WAS IN 1982, THEN '91, 2000, 2006, 2015, NOW 2025.
LOOKING THROUGH MY NOTES WRITTEN ON THE 2015 PLAN, THE LAST TIME I WAS IN THIS ROOM TALKING ABOUT THE CPAC PLAN WAS 10 YEARS AGO AND ONE DAY AT THIS MICROPHONE, ASKING APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDATION FROM P&Z TO MOVE THE PLAN TO COUNCIL.
WE'RE LIKE CLOCKWORK, 10 YEARS AND ONE DAY AGO.
WE'VE HAD 22 CPAC TEAM MEETINGS IN OPEN HOUSES.
A FEW OF THESE CPAC MEETINGS WERE HELD AS JOINT SESSIONS WITH COUNCIL, P&Z, EDC, CDC, AND PARKS & REC.
OTHER THAN THE OPEN HOUSES, WE HAVE COLLECTED FEEDBACK FROM APPROXIMATELY 500 ADDITIONAL FRISCO RESIDENTS TO THE ONLINE SURVEY PORTAL.
OTHER THAN OUR EFFORTS IN BUILDING OUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHAPTERS THROUGH CPAC LARGE GROUP AND SMALL GROUP BRAINSTORMING SESSIONS, WE ALSO PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OR REFERRED TO AS THE FLUP, TO REPLACE THE PREVIOUS 2015 FLUP WHICH I HEARD MENTIONED A COUPLE OF CASES HERE TONIGHT.
WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY REDEFINING THE FRISCO DEVELOPMENT PLACE TYPES AND THEIR SPECIFIC COMPOSITION AS DANIEL SPOKE, THE MOST IMPORTANT OUTCOME FROM THE FLUP DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IS WHAT IS THE BEST USE OF THE REMAINING 13% OF FRISCO'S UNDEVELOPMENT LAND.
I THINK WE'RE MOVING QUICKLY ON THE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WHEN WE STARTED THE PROCESS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, IT WAS ABOUT 14-14.5%.
I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE NUMBERS ARE WRONG, BUT NOW WE'RE USING 13%.
BASED ON THOSE DECISIONS, ONE OF THE DATA POINTS IN THE RESULTANT FLUP OR MORE ACCURATE FISCAL BUILD OUT POPULATION PROJECTIONS, WHICH YOU GUYS KNOW IS USING THE MOST OFTEN ASKED QUESTION THAT WE GET FROM RESIDENTS.
THE FLUP DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TOOK ALMOST A YEAR OF THE FLUP TIMELINE.
WE FOR THE LONGEST TIME INTERESTINGLY HAD TWO WORKING MODEL VERSIONS OF THE FLUP.
WE HAD THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE DEPARTMENT'S RECOMMENDED FLUP, AND SOME OF YOU WERE AT THESE MEETINGS, AND ALSO THE CPAC RECOMMENDED FLUP PRESENTED EACH MEETING.
IT WAS VERY COLLEGIAL, VERY POLITE, BUT WE PLAYED BOTH FROM THE PROFESSIONAL SEASON TIME WITH THE RESIDENT INPUT AND CAME WITH THE RIGHT BALANCE, WHICH IS THE FINAL FLUP.
HOW WE GOT THERE, BY THE WAY, IS WE HAD A SERIES OF MOTIONS THAT I FACILITATED AND VOTES TO TAKE THE FLUP MAP AND MAKE FINAL DECISIONS ON THE PLACE TYPES, WHICH AGAIN RESULTS IN THE POPULATION.
WE HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE FRISCO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THEIR PROFESSIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND GUIDANCE FROM JOHN LETTELLEIR, CHRIS LEONARD, AND JONATHAN HUBBARD.
WE THANK CHRIS IN PARTICULAR FOR HIS ADEPT PROJECT MANAGEMENT, HERDING THE CATS, I'D SAY, KEEPING THE CPAC PROCESS ON TRACK AND SHEPHERDING US THROUGH THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU ALSO TO FREESE AND NICHOLS, AND YOU CAN SEE THE RESULT OF THEIR WORK IN DANIEL'S PRESENTATION.
THEY SO WELL ILLUSTRATED THE FRISCO STORY WHEN P&Z AND COUNCIL ASK US TO MAKE IT A STORY THAT COULD BE BETTER UNDERSTOOD BY RESIDENTS AND OTHERS.
THE DOCUMENT IS NOW MORE READABLE, WHICH I'M PROUD OF BY A LARGER SWATH OF FRISCO RESIDENTS.
FREESE AND NICHOLS HAS HELPED LIFT THE PRESENCE OF THIS DOCUMENT FROM BEING VIEWED AS JUST A SET OF LAND PLANNING GUIDELINES USED PRIMARILY BY CITY STAFF AND DEVELOPERS TO BECOME AN INTERESTING EASY TO READ DOCUMENT FOR MANY RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTION OF FRISCO.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET A WIDER DISTRIBUTION OF THIS DOCUMENT THAN WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.
THE CPAC TEAM AND DEVELOPMENT STAFF WILL CONTINUE TO MEET
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ANNUALLY TO REVIEW THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOING FORWARD, ADJUSTING PRIORITIES AS NEEDED.DETAILS OF THE IMPLEMENTATION PROJECT PLAN ARE IN THE DETAILED TABLES BEGINNING ON PAGE 120 OF THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE CPAC TEAM HERE TONIGHT IS SEEKING PUBLIC INPUT AND P&Z'S RECOMMENDATIONS CITY COUNCIL TO ADOPT THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU CAME THROUGH FOR US 10 YEARS AND ONE DAY AGO BEFORE, SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU.
BEFORE WE MAY BE DIVING INTO QUESTIONS, I THINK WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION.
>> YEAH, JOHN, JUST ONE THING I DO WANT TO ADD SINCE RICK WAS COMPLIMENTARY, WE APPRECIATE THAT TOWARD STAFF, BUT THERE WAS OTHER STAFF IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE INVOLVED ENGINEERING.
JASON GRIMM AND THEN JOEL FITTS PARTICIPATED A LOT, JOHN GILLETTE, FIRE DEPARTMENT.
BUT ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THAT YOU SEE LISTED IN THE DOCUMENT, PLEASE, FIRE, LIBRARY, THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS TO REVIEW SECTIONS OF THE DOCUMENT.
BUT CHRIS LEONARD WAS GOOD ABOUT SENDING IT OUT TO ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND GETTING THEIR COMMENTS AND COORDINATING WITH THE CONSULTANT TEAM.
I ASSUME WE HAVE SOME COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, BUT DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 23?
>> SECOND BY TIFFANY. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 5-0.
WE'RE IN PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 23.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE? WHEN YOU'RE DONE, TURN THAT BLUE CARD IN.
>> THANK YOU, JOHN. HI, ANNE ANDERSON.
I WAS ONE OF THE CPAC MEMBERS.
I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IS BEING PRESENTED.
THE CITY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF GETTING, AS RICK SAID, CITIZENS FROM VARIOUS QUADRANTS OF THE CITY AND ALSO VARIOUS EXPERIENCES, WHETHER IT WAS BUSINESS OWNERS, PROFESSIONALS, DIFFERENT REPRESENTATION FROM THE DIFFERENT CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AS WELL.
I THINK THEY DID A REALLY GREAT JOB OF SHEPHERDING US AND TEACHING US ABOUT ADUS AND FLUPS THAT NONE OF US KNEW WHAT ALL THESE WORDS MEANT OR THESE ACRONYMS MEAN AND THEY WERE PATIENT IN IT.
THANK YOU TO OUR GREAT CONSULTANTS AND TO THE CITY STAFF.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU HAVE A ROOM OF 18, PRETTY STRONG WILLED PEOPLE, AND FOR US TO ALL COME TO A UNANIMOUS DECISION MAY HAVE BEEN VERY DIFFICULT, I THINK WE CAME TO A REALLY GREAT DECISION.
WE BROUGHT TOGETHER A DOCUMENT THAT I THINK THE CITY CAN BE PROUD OF, AND THAT CAN REALLY GUIDE US AS WE MOVE FORWARD INTO 2040.
WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL TO TELL US WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE FOR FRISCO, BUT I THINK THAT THESE CITIZENS THAT GOT TOGETHER DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO DO THEIR BEST TO NOT PREDICT THE FUTURE, BUT HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE FOR HOW WE CAN HANDLE THE FUTURE.
ANYWAY, WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND LOOK FOR ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. THANKS.
>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ITEM 23?
>> GOOD EVENING, KAREN CUNNINGHAM, FRISCO RESIDENT.
I WAS HONORED TO SERVE ON THE CPAC COMMITTEE, ALONG WITH A COUPLE OF OUR P&Z MEMBERS AND SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
ALSO WANTED TO JUST GIVE A TREMENDOUS SHOUT OUT TO THE STAFF AND THE CONSULTANTS IN PARTICULAR WHO SPENT A LOT OF TIME, NOT ONLY PREPPING AND DELIVERING INFORMATION TO US, BUT ALSO PUTTING UP WITH US FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS AS WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
I THINK IN THE END, WE HAVE A TREMENDOUSLY BEAUTIFUL DOCUMENTARY STORYTELLER WHERE WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO HEAR THE INPUT OF THE CITIZENS, HEAR THE INPUT OF OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AND ULTIMATELY DELIVER A DOCUMENT THAT WE HOPE WILL SERVE ITS PURPOSE IN GUIDING THE CITY IN THE DECISION PROCESSES THAT THE CITY UTILIZES IT FOR OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.
I AM ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING THIS AND APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE HAVE A MOTION?
>> MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> SECOND BY STEVE. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 5-0.
PUBLIC HEARING PORTION IS NOW CLOSED.
THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY A LOT TO ABSORB.
SAW A LOT OF SMILEY FACES, IS CLOSE TO FINISH LINE AFTER TWO YEARS, AND A LOT TO BE PROUD OF.
HAVE FEW THINGS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE TIFFANY, MICHAEL HOWARD'S NOT HERE, SO YOU'RE UP.
>> I THINK OVERALL, THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I KNOW A LOT OF CITIES DON'T GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO AS MANY AS OFTEN.
I THINK THAT'S A HUGE MONUMENT FOR THE CITY OF FRISCO.
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>> I DON'T WANT TO SAY WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS SAID, BUT JUST LOOKING AT OUR AGENDA PACKET, TO THINK AGAIN THAT THERE WERE 20 CPAC MEETINGS, THREE JOINT MEETINGS WITH CITY COUNCIL, PLANNING & ZONING AND CPAC, ONE JOINT MEETING WITH EDC, CDC, PARKS & REC, PLANNING & ZONING AND CPAC, A STATUS UPDATE FOR EDC, CDC, PARKS & REC, PLANNING & ZONING.
THERE WAS INFORMATION BOOTH AT THE 2023 STREET FESTIVAL, PRESENTED AT TWO ANNUAL HOA ROUNDTABLES, TWO COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSES WITH OVER 200 ATTENDEES, ACCOMPANIED BY TWO VIRTUAL ONLINE OPEN HOUSES WITH 199 RESPONSES, MAINTAINED WEB PAGE ON THE CITY WEBSITE.
I'M SO PROUD OF THESE VOLUNTEERS, AND I'M SO PROUD TO BE IN A CITY THAT CARES SO MUCH TO PUT THIS MUCH DETAIL INTO HEARING WHAT THE RESIDENTS AND THE CITIZENS WANT, AS WELL AS COMBINING WITH THE BRILLIANCE OF STAFF AND OUR CONSULTANTS TO JUST PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT'S JUST AMAZING.
THIS IS A LOT, AND I'M JUST SUPER PROUD.
>> OF COURSE. I'LL GO FOR YOU TOO.
>> SURE. MY ENGINEERING IS NOW GOING TO SHOW.
I AM AN ENGINEER, SO TWO THINGS I REQUEST.
I WOULD LIKE WHEN WE'RE DONE, NOT ANY TIME SOON, JUST AN APPROXIMATION OF HOW MANY MAN AND WOMAN HOURS WENT INTO THIS PROJECT BY THE VOLUNTEERS.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. THAT'S VERY INTERESTING.
SECOND THING, RICK, I CHALLENGE YOU TO REACH OUT TO YOUR CPAC MEMBERS AFTER THIS IS ALL DONE TO ASK THEM FOR LESSONS LEARNED FOR NEXT TIME SO THAT 10 YEARS FROM NOW, GOD WILLING, YOU CAN SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE AGAIN.
BUT IF NOT, THEN THAT NEXT PERSON CAN TAKE OVER AND DO SOME LESSONS LEARNED.
OH, MY GOODNESS, MY FIVE MINUTES IS OVER.
>> SORRY, SEAN. [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]
>> ANYWAYS, THANK YOU FOR YOU CITIZENS THAT DID SERVE ON THE CPAC.
A LOT OF TIME AWAY FROM YOUR HOUSE AND YOUR FAMILY, A LOT OF JASON'S DELI BOX LUNCHES, I'M SURE. BUT THANK YOU.
I THINK IT'S WELL WORTH IT. I THINK THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME OF THE VOLUNTEERS AND STAFF DO TO MAKE THIS CITY FUNCTION AND PLAN IT OUT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LIVE IN THE BEST DAMN CITY IN THE UNITED STATES.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. AWESOME.
>> THANKS, SEAN. I'M HAPPY TO GO NEXT AS I WAS IN THE TRENCHES LIKE WARREN AND STEVE UP HERE AND THOSE OUT THERE AND KAREN.
YOU ALL PUT IN A COPIOUS AMOUNT OF HOURS AND GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
I CAN SEE IT ON YOUR FACE THAT YOU'RE PROUD OF WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED.
IT'S EXCITING. THE THING THAT STUCK OUT SOMEONE SAYS, WE DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL.
BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THE CITIES AROUND HERE, THINK WE DO BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB.
WE MAY NOT THINK THAT, BUT I THINK ANY CITY AROUND THIS REGION WOULD BE EXCITED TO HAVE THIS AS THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
TO HAVE IT TO COME AND TO HAVE SO MUCH SUPPORT AND THIS TO BE PRESENTED AND BE ABLE TO SAY THIS IS WHAT CPAC WOULD LIKE, I'M HAPPY.
THANK YOU ALL. WITH THAT, WARREN.
>> THE WAY THAT THE CPAC IS CONFIGURED IS THAT THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A SINGLE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH BOARD, AND STEVE WAS THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM P&Z AT CPAC.
I WAS APPOINTED TO CPAC PRIOR TO BEING APPOINTED TO P&Z.
THAT'S HOW YOU ENDED UP WITH TWO PEOPLE ON P&Z ON CPAC SIMULTANEOUSLY, JUST FOR THE RECORDS.
>> SHOULD HAVE RESIGNED FROM CPAC? NO. I'M ONLY KIDDING.
>> HEY, WARREN, WE HAVE THAT NOTED IN THE PLAN.
>> I'LL TELL YOU THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE LEARNED, I'VE SERVED THE CITY ON DIFFERENT BOARDS OR WHATEVER, BUT WHAT JUST ASTONISHES ME IS THE AMOUNT OF HOURS THAT CITY STAFF PUTS IN.
THE DAY JOB, IT'S LIKE WE'RE JUST GO AHEAD AND START SECOND SHIFT.
IT'S LIKE THEY'RE WORKING TWO SHIFTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GET PAID ENOUGH.
THERE WAS A COUPLE OF CONTENTIOUS CONVERSATIONS, BUT I THINK IT TURNED OUT WELL.
SOME OF THOSE PICTURES AREN'T MY BEST, BUT I'M PROUD TO HAVE MY NAME ON IT.
>> IT'S GOING TO BREAK SOME EGGS AND MAKE AN OMELET, RIGHT?
>> ONE OF THOSE PICTURES MY HAIR WAS A LITTLE MESSED UP, SEE IF WE CAN MAYBE DOCTOR THAT NEXT TIME OR SOMETHING. LITTLE PHOTOSHOP.
I GOT TO THANK WARREN JUST FOR HAVING PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON THE COMMITTEE IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN JUST HAVING NO ONE TALKING, NO ONE BATTLING OUT.
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THE FACT THAT THE BATTLES THAT HAPPENED DURING IT WERE FOR THE BENEFIT OF FRISCO.I THINK THAT'S THE KEY PART TO TAKE AWAY FROM THAT, WAS THAT EVERYBODY WAS PUSHING AND SHOVING, THERE WAS NO REAL SHOVING, BUT JUST PUSHING FOR REALLY THE BEST PRODUCT POSSIBLE.
I CONTINUALLY ASK THE CONSULTANTS IF OUR PLAN IS THE BEST ONE THEY'VE SEEN A CITY CREATE, AND IF IT'S NOT, THEY NEED TO LET US KNOW AND WE'LL GO BACK AND FIX IT, BECAUSE WE REALLY WERE TRYING TO BE FRISCO, WAS THE MINDSET.
AGAIN, WHATEVER SAID ABOUT THE STAFF AND THE CONSULTANTS TO PUT IN ALL THE HOURS AND ESPECIALLY THE VOLUNTEERS WHO DID NOT NECESSARILY HAVE A BACKGROUND IN PLANNING, ESPECIALLY THOSE FOLKS WHO WALKED INTO A REALLY DIFFICULT SITUATION, WE HAVE TO THANK ALL OF THEM.
IN THE END OF THE DAY, I DO WANT TO SAY IT'S A SOLID PLAN.
I THINK NO ONE CAN TAKE AWAY THE STRENGTH OF THE PLAN, HOW SOLID IT IS.
THINGS THAT SOME PEOPLE WISHED GOTTEN IN, THINGS THAT WE COULD HAVE INCLUDED, WE ALL KNEW THAT EVENTUALLY WE WERE GOING TO FREEZE THE DESIGN AND PUSH IT FORWARD, AND THAT HAD TO BE THE GOAL.
A COUPLE OF SPECIFIC NOTES ON THE DIFFERENT PURPOSES.
THE COMP PLAN REALLY DOES SERVE AS A PLANNING TOOL FOR STAFF, AND I'LL DEFER TO JOHN AND STAFF ON THIS, BUT I FEEL LIKE FOR THEIR PURPOSES AND THEN FOR P&Z'S PURPOSES, I FEEL LIKE IT'S VERY SOLID, USEFUL DOCUMENT THAT CAN BE USED IN THAT REGARD.
THE SECOND PART IS THE HARDER PART, AND THAT'S THE VISIONARY DOCUMENT.
THE CONSULTANTS CHALLENGED US TO BE ASPIRATIONAL.
THAT IS SO MUCH HARDER THAN YOU REALIZE.
NOT HAVING A CRYSTAL BALL, TRYING TO PREDICT THE FUTURE.
I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU BACK IN 2015, WE THOUGHT WE HAD THE COMP PLAN ALL FIGURED OUT AND WE WERE GOOD TO GO.
WITHIN FIVE MINUTES, IT FELT LIKE CHALLENGES ARE COMING UP AND PEOPLE WERE SAYING THIS AND THAT AND THINGS WERE CHANGING.
I FULLY EXPECT THIS PLAN TO STRUGGLE EVEN MORE WITH THE RAPID CHANGES IN SOCIETY THAT ARE COMING.
WE JUST DID THE BEST WE COULD WITH WHAT WE COULD SEE IN OUR LIMITED CRYSTAL BALL.
IT'S VERY HARD TO BE FORWARD LOOKING LIKE THAT.
ONE KEY THING THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, IT'S WHERE EVERYBODY TENDS TO START AND TENDS TO LOOK AT.
YOU'VE GOT 180 PAGES OR SO, AND THE MAP IS WHERE EVERYBODY DOES.
I DO THIS FOR A LIVING. WHEN I GO TO OTHER CITIES, THE FIRST THING I DO IS I LOOK AT THAT FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
THEN IF I NEED TO, I DIG INTO THE HUNDREDS OF PAGES THAT SUPPORT THAT PLAN, BUT THAT'S HOW CRITICAL IT WAS.
WE REALLY DID REACH AN IMPASSE FOR A FEW MINUTES THERE.
I WISH ALL OF YOU COULD HAVE BEEN THERE THAT WEREN'T THERE TO WATCH.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW WE DID IT, WARREN, BUT I FEEL LIKE WARREN AND I WERE ALMOST HUGGING AT THE END OF IT.
JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEA, BUT IT REALLY WAS COMPROMISED BY STAFF BY DIFFERENT COMMITTEE MEMBERS, A COUPLE OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS LIKE CHAD BRUBAKER HAVE TO CALL HIM OUT FOR STEPPING UP THAT NIGHT AND REALLY HELPING US ESSENTIALLY VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL PIECES, AND USUALLY YOU DON'T DO THAT.
USUALLY YOU JUST TALK ABOUT THE PLAN, YOU REVISE IT, REVISE IT, REVISE IT.
BUT WE REALLY HAD TO DO A TEDIOUS DIVIDE AND CONQUER AND VOTE ON SMALLER CHUNKS OF THE PLAN, AND THAT'S NOT TYPICAL, BUT THAT WORKED.
I APPRECIATE THE STAFF COMING UP WITH THAT IDEA, STAFF OR CONSULTANTS, WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THE IDEA, AND THEN EVERYBODY REALLY WORKING HARD TO FIGHT THROUGH THAT DIFFICULT TIME THERE.
>> I THINK WE NEED TO START THE TIME RIGHT. ALMOST DONE HERE.
MY CHALLENGE WOULD BE FOR THE LESSONS LEARNED.
JOHN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PLANS WE HAVE FOR TALKING ABOUT LESSONS LEARNED, BUT I THINK THAT'D BE EXTREMELY VALUABLE WHAT SHAWN SAID THERE.
THREE OF US ON THE P&Z SADLY WILL TERM OUT.
THE THREE OF US SITTING UP HERE WILL BE TERMED OUT IN THE NEXT TWO AND HALF YEARS.
JOHN'S GOT JUST A FEW MONTHS LEFT.
BRITTANY'S GOT TWO AND HALF YEARS.
TO THE FOUR, THE THREE COMMISSIONERS HERE PLUS MICHAEL WHO'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT YOU GUYS WILL BE ON THE P&Z WHEN THE NEXT COM PLAN IS DONE.
I CHALLENGE YOU TO REALLY LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED THIS TIME AROUND AND LOOK AT THOSE LESSONS LEARNED AND BE THINKING AHEAD.
BE PREPARING NOW FOR WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, ESPECIALLY AS WE DO THE ANNUAL MEETINGS, WE DO THE UPDATES TO IT THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE NEXT COMP PLAN.
THE OTHER BIG THING THAT CAME OUT OF THE 2015 COMP PLAN WAS THE FOLLOW ON PROJECTS.
IT'S HARD TO EVEN IMAGINE, BUT IN THE COMP PLAN BACK IN 2015, SOMEONE ASKED THE QUESTION, DOES DOWNTOWN FRISCO MATTER? THAT LITERALLY WAS SAID IN ONE OF THE MEETINGS WAS, DOES DOWNTOWN FRISCO MATTER BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE STARS COMING AND WE'VE GOT ALL THESE GREAT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS COMING.
THE COMMITTEE FORTUNATELY DECIDED DOWNTOWN FRISCO MATTERED, AND THE FOLLOW ON TO THAT WAS THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN COMMITTEE THAT WAS CREATED AND NOW LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENING, COMING OUT OF THE 2015 COMP PLAN.
THE 380 OVERLAY WAS ANOTHER THING THAT CAME OUT OF THE LAST COMP PLAN.
AGAIN, BACK THEN THE CITY DID NOT HAVE A VISION FOR HIGHWAY 380.
I CALLED IT THE FUTURE LOOP 12 AND A LOT OF US AGREE THAT WE WERE DEFEATED.
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WE'RE LIKE THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT 380, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE THE FUTURE LOOP 12 WITH INDUSTRIAL STUFF LINING IT, AND THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.INSTEAD, THE CONSULTANTS IN THE COMMITTEE DECIDED TO FIGHT FOR 380 THAT LED TO THE HIGHWAY 380 OVERLAY.
GOING FORWARD, THE 121 SAM RAYBURN TOLLWAY OVERLAY THAT SEEMS TO BE COMING OUT OF THIS I THINK WILL BE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS FRISCO WILL DO IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
ALONG WITH THAT IS THE STONE BRIER CENTER FRISCO BRIDGES, THE SOUTH CENTRAL DISTRICT OF FRISCO AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT NEEDS TO BE INCORPORATED WITH THE 121 PLAN, OR THAT NEEDS TO BE ITS OWN REDEVELOPMENT MASTER PLAN, LOOKING SOMETHING.
BUT THOSE WILL BE THE GAME CHANGERS FOR FRISCO I THINK, BECAUSE THE REST OF THE CITY IS REALLY ON A GREAT COURSE.
NOW YOU GOT TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE STUFF THAT WE WERE FIGHTING FOR IN 1998, 1999 AND REVISIT THOSE TO REALLY SET FRISCO ON REALLY A WHOLE OTHER HIGHER TRAJECTORY, DEPENDING ON HOW THOSE ARE DEALT WITH IN THE COMING YEARS.
I THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR TIME AND ENERGY AND EFFORT ON THIS ESPECIALLY RICK FOR CHAIRING IT AND FOR THE DEDICATED COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT SHOWED UP TONIGHT, I THINK I SEE THREE OR FOUR OF YOU OUT THERE AND JUST FOR EVERYBODY PUT IN ALL THE HARD WORK.
>> I CAN'T ADD TO THAT. I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR COMMENTS AND WHAT'S BEEN SAID.
WITH THAT, I THINK I'LL JUST GO TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I GUESS IT CAN BE.
>> HOW LONG DID STEVE TALK? I NEED TO BE UNDER THAT.
>> TWENTY GOOD, I'LL BE DONE BY THEN.
AS NOTED, THE FIRST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS DONE BACK IN 1982 AND IT'S INTERESTING JUST TO SEE THE TRANSFORMATION OF THOSE PLANS BACK THEN WHERE YOU HAVE STONEBOR MALL.
ALL THAT WAS WAS STRIP RETAIL ALONG 121 NORTHERN PORTION.
WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BALL WAS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
YOU HAD THE OLD MODEL OF MULTI FAMILY WRAPPING AROUND RETAIL CENTERS.
IT WAS HIGH ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
THEN DAN WAS INVOLVED IN THE 1091 PLAN.
THEN WE HAVE THE 2000 PLANS, BUT EACH TIME YOU COULD SEE THE TRANSFORMATION THAT WAS TAKING PLACE.
I JUST WANT TO MENTION, THE CITY OF FRISCO HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN IMPLEMENTING ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLANS SINCE THE 2000.
I THINK OUT OF THE 2000, WE PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT 75 PERCENT OF THE ACTION ITEMS IMPLEMENTED.
THEN WE'VE BEEN DOING THE SAME THING AND STARTING IN 2006, WE WOULD RECONVENE THE CPAC COMMITTEE AND TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE PROPOSE, THEY WOULD DELIBERATE, GIVE THEIR RECOMMENDATION THEN OFF TO P&Z CITY COUNCIL.
THAT GOT DISRUPTED BY THE PANDEMIC, BUT WE'RE GOING BACK TO THAT.
WE HAVE THAT RECOMMENDATION BEFORE COUNCIL WHEN STARTING THE BUDGET PROCESS IF IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE FUNDING.
BUT IN THESE PLANS AS SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE MENTIONED, THERE ARE THOSE THINGS THAT YOU JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WILL BE COMING YOUR WAY, STONEBOR MALL, HALL PARK, THE STAR AND FRISCO, FC DALLAS, PGA.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN AND WE JUST NEED TO BE READY AND PREPARED FOR THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP IN ONE OF THE CPAC MEETINGS BECAUSE I ASKED, WHAT ARE THE ATTRIBUTES OF FRISCO AND I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE CORNERSTONE OF FRISCO WHERE SEVERAL OF YOU MENTIONED ABOUT HOW GOOD FRISCO IS.
THIS TALKING ABOUT GEORGE PURIFOY, TALKING ABOUT THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, ALL THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES AND THE SWAY IN THE POLITICAL WINS OVER HERE, ONE YEAR, OVER HERE, ONE YEAR.
THE CHALLENGE IS, CORPORATIONS ARE NOT GOING TO BE INVESTING IN THOSE COMMUNITIES.
THEY'RE GOING TO INVEST IN A STABLE ENVIRONMENT.
IN FRISCO IN EACH OF THESE PLANS, THE CITY HAS ALWAYS MARCHED FORWARD AS HOW CAN WE BE BETTER.
I JUST REMEMBER WHEN GEORGE STARTED HERE, HE TOLD ME THE STORY THAT THE CITY HAD ABOUT $40,000 TO ITS NAME, FORTY THOUSAND, THAT'S LESS THAN ALL ANYONE'S SALARY, I THINK IN THIS ROOM.
BUT LOOK WHAT OCCURRED AND GOING BACK TO WHEN THEY DID THE MALL DEAL AND THEY GOT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT INVOLVED AND BECAUSE OF THAT, CREATING THAT TOURS, THAT TOURS CAN BE EXPANDED.
THAT HAS BEEN A HUGE SUCCESS AND THEN PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.
FIRST ONE, LITTLE ROCKY AND EACH ONE WE GOT BETTER AND BETTER,
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ALWAYS WITH INTENT OF DOING THE BEST FOR FRISCO AND ITS RESIDENTS TO BE SUCCESSFUL.WERE OTHER COMMUNITIES IS DOING A DEAL AND WHETHER IT BE SUCCESSFUL OR NOT, BUT IN FRISCO, IT HAS BEEN.
DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE SINCE DAN OR DANIEL DENT MENTIONED CONNOR ROBERTS.
HE'S BEEN A BOLT OF THE PROCESS.
HE'S JUST A YOUNG PUP, I KNOW, BUT YOU COULD RECOGNIZE [LAUGHTER].
YES. CHRIS LEONARD, HE HAS DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB OF MOVING THIS PROJECT FORWARD. HE REALLY HAS.
HE'S REALLY STEPPED UP AND KEPT THIS MOVING FORWARD.
SOME TO THINK ABOUT I REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO AT A BREAKFAST MEETING AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, OUT OF THE STATE POPULATION, I THINK BY YEAR 2040 OR SOMETHING 80 PERCENT OF THE STATE POPULATION WILL BE IN THE TEXAS TRIANGLE.
YOU JUST THINK ABOUT ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT THAT IS LIKE THE PREMIER AND DFW METROPLEX WAS THE ONLY ONE IN THE TOP FIVE THE ADDED POPULATION IN THE LAST CENSUS.
THEY JUMP OVER CHICAGO, I BELIEVE.
ALL THE OTHER ONES, TOP FIVE LOST POPULATION, EXCEPT FOR DFW.
BUT AS FOR A SHAWN WHAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT LESSONS LEARNED, THAT IS SOMETHING WE STARTED IN 2006 BY INCLUDING AT LEAST FOUR MEMBERS OF THE PREVIOUS COMP PLAN.
THE REASON FOR THAT, I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS BEST FOR THEM TO TELL THE STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE LAST COMP PLAN INSTEAD OF IT COME FROM STAFF.
THAT WAY, I JUST FELT LIKE IT'S BETTER TO COME FROM WITHIN THAT GROUP BECAUSE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE TO KNOW WHERE YOU'VE COME FROM AND WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
HOPEFULLY, THAT WILL CONTINUE BECAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY THE LAST COMP PLAN THAT I'LL DO HERE.
PLAN WILL GET TO 31 YEARS AND THAT'LL BE IT.
I'LL BE AROUND FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS.
>> LOOKING AT THIS, THIS IS CALLED THE 2040 COMP PLAN, WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE ALL THESE OTHER ONES WERE UPDATED WITHIN 6, 09, 10 YEARS. IF WE WAIT THAT LONG A 15 YEARS.
IS THAT PLAN GOING FOR 15 YEARS?
>> I WOULD TELL YOU THIS. I REMEMBER WE DID THE 2000 PLAN AND COUNSEL ASKED ME TO IT WAS 2002.
I SAID, WE NEED TIME TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN.
REALLY, UPDATING THE PLAN NEEDS TO BE DONE WHEN THERE'S ENOUGH CHANGES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE.
I'VE BEEN ASKED, WELL, SHOULD WE UPDATE IT EVERY FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS? I DON'T LIKE TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO UPDATE EVERY FIVE YEARS BECAUSE THAT MAY NOT BE READY.
THINGS PAUSED AND THEN WHEN IT STARTED BACK UP, THERE'S CHANGES THAT OCCUR.
IT JUST NEEDS TO BE DONE WHEN PEOPLE THINK IT NEEDS TO BE THAT.
>> I ASKED 2040 PLAN THEN. I'M JUST CURIOUS.
>> IT WAS THE HARDEST THING SHAWN, LIKE I SAID, I WAS REALLY TRYING TO LOOK FORWARD AND SO WE USE THAT 2040 NUMBER AS TRYING TO LOOK AHEAD TO THE 2040S TO THEN TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE 2020 AND 2030S LOOK LIKE.
THAT WASN'T THE NEXT I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET US AHEAD AND NOW WE'LL.
>> I JUST HOPE THAT 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND AND THEY'RE NOT LIKE, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ONE.
IT SAYS 24, WE'LL WAIT UNTIL THEN.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DON'T GET CONFUSED.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF COMPREHENSIVE PLANS THAT GO FURTHER OUT AND THEY UPDATE.
IT DOES NOT LIMIT THE CITY FOR MAKING THAT DECISION FIVE YEARS LATER ABOUT UPDATING IT. IT'S JUST A TITLE.
>> MOST PLANS I SEE HAVE A FUTURE DATE THAT'S SEVERAL DECADES IN THE FUTURE.
I PROBABLY HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH STAFF.
I THINK JONATHAN OR MR. LETTLLEIR, YOU SAID LEADERSHIP.
STAFF MIGHT DISAGREE, BUT I THINK YOU WOULD BE A HUGE PART OF THAT LEADERSHIP, SO GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
WITH THAT, ENTERTAIN A MOTION?
>> I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER.
>> ITEM NUMBER 23, MY FAVORITE NUMBER AND MICHAEL JORDAN'S NUMBER.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 23, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO GO FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY STEVE.
>> SECOND BY WARREN. ALL IN FAVOR.
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>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 50.
EXTREMELY POETIC, ESPECIALLY THAT WARREN DOESN'T SUPPORT THOSE, BUT THIS ONE HE DESERVES TO BE A HUGE PART OF.
[Public Hearing - Zoning Ordinance Amendment: Amendment to the Zoning Ordinance]
PUBLIC HEARING ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE OWNER, CITY OF FRISCO.>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ON THIS EVENING REGARDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.
THE FIRST BEING THAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE CURRENTLY ALLOWS THE APPROVAL OF PRELIMINARY SITE PLANS TO BE EFFECTIVE FOR A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS FROM THE DATE OF APPROVAL.
SITE PLANS ARE EFFECTIVE FOR A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS FROM THE DATE OF FILING THE APPLICATION.
STAFF IS PROPOSING AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE SO THAT THE EFFECTIVE DATES OF BOTH PRELIMINARY SITE PLANS AND SITE PLANS ALIGN WITH ONE ANOTHER AND THAT BEING TWO YEARS FROM THE DATE OF APPROVAL.
THE SECOND THING TO TOUCH BASE ON IS THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR A FORMAL EXTENSION OF ONE YEAR FOR PRELIMINARY PLATS, IF AN APPLICANT IS ABLE TO PROVE PROGRESS TOWARDS COMPLETION.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW FOR PROGRESS TOWARDS COMPLETION TO BE PROVEN FOR PRELIMINARY SITE PLANS AND SITE PLANS.
HOWEVER, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY JUST A STATUS IN TOWN.
THERE IS NOT A PROCESS FOR A FORMAL ONE YEAR EXTENSION.
STAFF IS PROPOSING UPDATING THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ALIGN WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> FOR ANY QUESTIONS PUBLIC HEARING.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 24?
>> SECOND BY TIFFANY. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 5-0.
WE ARE IN PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 24.
>> SEEING NONE, MOVED TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> SECOND BY TIFFANY. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 5-0.
PUBLIC HEARING PORTION IS NOW CLOSED.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY OF STAFF? ARE THE CITY OF FRISCO JUNK AND HUBBARDS REPRESENTED?
>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 24.
>> SECOND BY BRITTANY. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 5-0.
[Results of the February 4, 2025, City Council meeting.]
CONGRATULATIONS. ITEM 25 RESULTS OF THE FEBRUARY 4, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.>> WE'RE BY MEMBER OF THE OFFICE WORKHOUSE IN WHICH ON 121, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
THIS BY SURPRISE, BUT THEY GO THEY LIKE PINK.
THAT'S WHAT GOT APPROVED AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WE UPDATE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
>> JOHN, CAN YOU? THERE WAS SOME NEW INFORMATION THAT CAME OUT, I FELT LIKE AT THAT THAT HELPED GET APPROVED.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TELL US WHAT THE CHANGE WAS?
>> FIRST OF ALL, THE QUESTION WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BEAR WITH ME.
YOU ASKED FOR IT, SO I'M GIVING IT TO YOU.
THE FIRST QUESTION CAME UP WAS WHY WASN'T IT INCLUDED IN THE OTR? WELL, ELECTRIC CLEAN ZONING BOUNDARIES AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WILLIAM STREET, WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT HOUSE, EVERYTHING ELSE IS RANCH STYLE HOMES.
IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE OF GOING OVER THERE.
THEY HAD TO COME IN AND ASK STAFF, CAN WE PAINT IT ANY COLOR? THE ANSWER WAS, YES.
JONATHAN WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION ON THIS BECAUSE WHAT WE WERE NOT AWARE OF, THEY WANTED TO GET THE TAX PRESERVATION CREDITS.
THAT'S AN ORDINANCE THAT FINANCE HAS, THE CITY'S FINANCE DEPARTMENT, AND IT REFERENCES COLORS AND THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.
WELL, I EXPLAINED, WELL, THE COLOR THAT THEY HAVE DOESN'T FIT INTO THAT.
BUT IF THEY WANT TO APPLY FOR THAT, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER TOPIC, BUT WE WILL RELAY THAT COUNSEL WAS GOOD WITH THE PINK AND FINANCE WAS UP IN THE PEANUT GALLERY AND HEARD THE SAME THING.
THAT MIGHT BE AN ORDINANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT, BUT GOING FORWARD, THAT DECISION HAS BEEN MADE AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNSEL LIKE THREE DIFFERENT PROPOSALS.
WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON ABOUT GOING FORWARD.
>> THERE WAS A THIRD ITEM ON THERE>> I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT THE THIRD ITEM WAS.
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>> WAS SUP FOR THE CHILD DAYCARE QUIT CHARISMATIC?
THAT'S THE ONE THAT THEY CHANGED THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, CHANGED THE SIZE OF THE OPEN SPACE, AND WITHIN THE SUP, ALL OF THAT IS ADOPTED.
THEY KEPT CHANGING IT BECAUSE ON THE BUILDING PERMIT, IT SAID THIS, THE SITE PLAN SAID X. I THINK THEY MIGHT HAVE TALKED TO SOME OF YOU ABOUT.
WELL, CAN YOU JUST APPROVE IT? DO WE HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS? THE ANSWER IS YES, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE VIGILANT TO THE ORDINANCE AND THAT WAS APPROVED.
IT WAS NOTED, THERE WAS A BUILDING THAT WOULD BE A FUTURE BUILDING IN BETWEEN THE OPEN SPACE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
[Schedule of future discussion items.]
SCHEDULE A FUTURE DISCUSSION ITEM? WITH THAT, I HAVE ONE LAST THING OUT THERE.>> SECOND BY STEVE. SORRY. SECOND BY SEAN. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 50.
THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING VERY PATIENT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.