Feb 04, 2025 City Council

>> I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. IT'S FREE.

PLEASE COME TO THE PEP RALLY. IT'S FREE.

>> THANK YOU, SHANNON. ITEM 8 IS OUR ENGINEERING SERVICES REPORT.

[Engineering Services Annual Report on planning, design, and construction of roadways, traffic control, water utilities, parks, and trails.]

>> GOOD EVENING. JASON BRODIGAN, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING SERVICES.

THIS MONTH, I'M PRESENTING THE 2024 ENGINEERING SERVICES ANNUAL REPORT.

YOU HAVE A DIGITAL COPY IN YOUR PACKET, AND I DELIVERED SOME HARD COPIES THIS AFTERNOON OR THIS MORNING FOR YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

IT JUST HIGHLIGHTS THE INCREDIBLE WORK THE ENGINEERING SERVICES DEPARTMENT HAS PRODUCED IN 2024 AND PEEKS AHEAD TO THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO LIE AHEAD IN 2025, WHICH IS PROBABLY EVEN GOING TO BE MORE IMPRESSIVE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

I'M VERY PROUD OF THE WORK THE ENGINEERING SERVICES STAFF DOES, BUT EVEN MORE PROUD OF HOW THEY GO ABOUT THEIR WORK EVERY DAY.

RIGHT IN LINE WITH THAT, FEBRUARY 16 THROUGH 22 IS NATIONAL ENGINEERING WEEK.

I DON'T KNOW, GIVE YOUR FAVORITE ENGINEER A HUG.

WITH THAT, THIS IS THE TEAM THAT DOES ALL THAT WORK, AND THEY'RE JUST A GREAT STAFF WITH A GREAT CULTURE.

WITH THAT, I'LL HAVE TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT. COUNCIL, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE?

>> JASON, THE REPORT IS AMAZING.

THANK YOU ALSO FOR THE DIGITAL COPY.

WE KEPT YOU ON YOUR TOES LAST NIGHT AT THE TOWN HALL MEETING, A LOT OF CALLS ON ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND LANE CLOSURES AND TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND ALL THAT STUFF.

I KNOW WE KEEP SAYING EVERYTHING IS DRIVING TOWARDS 2026 AND WORLD CUP, SO IS OUR AMAZING FINISH LINE.

I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE WORKING HARD TO MEET THAT GOAL AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MOBILITY AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOLKS THAT ARE COMING TO VISIT FRISCO.

YEAH, IT'S A BIG PARDON OUR DUST SIGN RIGHT NOW, BUT IT IS IMPRESSIVE TO SEE THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S BEING DONE AND THAT THE LEVEL OF SAFETY YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN, WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT GETTING HURT ON THE JOB AND AT THESE SITES, AND CITIZENS ARE STILL ABLE TO NAVIGATE AND MOVE AROUND, EVEN WITH ALL THE OCCASIONALLY, THERE'S LIGHTS OUT IN CERTAIN AREAS AT NIGHT, MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO SEE ORANGE CONES EVERYWHERE.

THE STATE BIRD OF FRISCO IS THE ORANGE CONE.

SOMEBODY WAS JOKING ABOUT THAT THE OTHER DAY.

JUST A LOT OF GREAT WORK AND SHOUT OUT TO THE RESIDENTS OF FRISCO AND ALL OF OUR VISITORS FOR BEING PATIENT AS WE TRY TO ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THESE INCREDIBLE ENGINEERING GOALS.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE THAT.

AS A NOTE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS LAST NIGHT AT THE TOWN HALL WAS ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF MAINE AND SOUTH COUNTY, AND BY THE TIME I GOT TO THE OFFICE THIS MORNING, SOMEBODY HAD ALREADY SENT AN EMAIL TO FIX IT.

THOSE THINGS HELP. TELL US WHAT YOU SEE.

WE WILL FIX IT IF THERE'S ANY WAY POSSIBLE TO DO SO.

>> THEY WORK.

>> JASON, SINCE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CROWD TONIGHT, MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING ON MAIN STREET WITH CONSTRUCTION AND WHAT TO EXPECT.

>> WE'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS. NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER ARE ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT SLOWER, SO IT MAY HAVE APPEARED TO SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT, AND IT DID, BUT WE'RE BACK AT IT, WORKING HARD.

WE'RE ABOUT THREE WEEKS AWAY FROM OUR FIRST TRAFFIC SWITCH WHERE WE'LL SWITCH PEOPLE ONTO THE NEW CONCRETE BETWEEN FIRST AND THIRD, AND THAT WILL OPEN UP SOME MORE PLACES FOR US TO WORK.

THINGS ARE GOING WELL. THE GARAGE STARTED THIS WEEK.

THEY'RE STARTING TO PUT THE FENCES UP AND GET TO WORK.

ALL FOUR OF OUR ORIGINAL PROJECTS THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE DONE BY THE WORLD CUP ARE NOW EITHER ELM STREETS DONE AND THE OTHER THREE ARE UNDERWAY.

>> THE QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. ITEM 9 IS OUR PUBLIC WORKS MONTHLY REPORT.

[Public Works Monthly Report on water production, service requests, and storm water updates.]

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY REPORT'S IN YOUR PACKETS.

I DID WANT TO MENTION COMING UP STARTING

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MARCH 3RD THROUGH MARCH 31ST IS NORTH TEXAS ANNUAL DISINFECTANT CHANGE, SO JUST BE AWARE, I WANT TO LET THE CITIZENS KNOW.

FOR THAT MONTH, THEY WILL GO FROM A CHLORINE AMMONIA MIX TO JUST CHLORINE ONLY.

THEY MAY SMELL OR TASTE A LITTLE DIFFERENCE FOR THAT 30 DAY PERIOD, AND AFTER THAT, THEY'LL GO BACK TO THE NORMAL DISINFECTANT TREATMENT PROCESS.

>> WITH THAT I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> COUNCIL, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE?

>> JUST A QUICK COMMENT I SAW, THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER NEARBY CITY WHO HAD TO GO INTO A BOIL WATER ALERT, AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS.

YOUR DEPARTMENT TOUCHES US EVERY SINGLE DAY.

WE DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT. IT'S LIKE BREATHING.

BUT THE ROADS, EVERYTHING, IF YOU TURN ON THE FAUCET, WE HAVE CLEAN WATER.

WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AND THE STANDARDS ARE SO HIGH IN FRISCO, SO WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING IN PUBLIC WORKS.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. KNOCK ON WOOD.

>> QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

ITEM 10, IS OUR COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS?

[Council Subcommittee reports for current activities of the Legislative Committee, Governance Committee, Budget and Audit Committee, Frisco Square Management District, Dallas Regional Mobility Commission, North Central Texas Emergency Preparedness Committee, Frisco Veterans Advisory Committee, North Texas Commission, and Regional Transportation Council.]

COUNCIL, WHAT UPDATES DO YOU HAVE?

>> I HAVE TWO QUICK REPORTS.

ONE, FROM A LEGISLATIVE PERSPECTIVE, WE WILL BE HEADING DOWN TO AUSTIN TO SPEAK WITH OUR STATE LEGISLATORS, TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY OF NEXT WEEK.

MANY OF YOU MAY BE AWARE THAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEKING EXIDE FUNDING FOR THE CLEANUP TO HELP US TO PUSH FORWARD GRAND PARK.

WE WILL BE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR LEGISLATORS MAKING SURE THAT THE PROPER BUDGETING INCLUDES THAT.

VERY EXCITED TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS YET AGAIN WITH THEM, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE KEY LEADERS OF THE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR AS WELL AS THE SPEAKERS AND THE SENATORS, MY BRAIN JUST DIED, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT WE NEED AND FOR THEIR SUPPORT FOR THOSE.

THE SECOND UPDATE THAT I HAVE IS, WE DID HAVE OUR ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING THIS LAST WEEK.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON DOING MORE EDUCATION PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF FRISCO.

THE FIRST ONE WAS ON SOCIALIZATION AND BEHAVIOR, THE SECOND ONE WAS HOW TO BECOME A FOSTER FOR SOME OF OUR AREA RESCUES OR FOR THE SHELTER.

THIS NEXT ONE IS GOING TO BE ON LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES FROM THE TEXAS HUMANE LEGISLATIVE NETWORK, AND THAT'LL BE HOSTED THIS FEBRUARY 16TH AT 3:00 PM.

MORE INFORMATION WILL BE COMING OUT THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA ON THAT VERY SHORTLY, IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED.

>> LAURA, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT PROGRAM? I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY FUN.

IT'S ANIMAL POLITICS.

>> YES [LAUGHTER].

WE DO TRY TO GET CREATIVE EVERY NOW AND THEN.

>> THAT'S GREAT. WE DID HAVE AN UPDATE FROM GOVERNANCE.

WE ARE DOING ANNUAL REPORTS NOW FROM EACH OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO GIVE US A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT EVERYONE IS WORKING ON.

WE DID HAVE ANIMAL ADVISORY COME AND TELL US ABOUT THE ANIMAL POLITICS EVENT.

WE ALSO HAD PARKS AND REC.

THEY SHARED WITH US SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON AND ADOPT A PARK PROGRAM.

ESSENTIALLY THIS BOARD IS THEY ARE THE EYES AND EARS OF OUR COMMUNITY INTO THE PARKS.

IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE THAT YOU'RE EXPERIENCING WITH ONE OF THE PARKS, YOU CAN GO ASK ONE OF THESE BOARD MEMBERS TO BRING IT TO THEIR MEETINGS AS WELL TO ADDRESS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THEIR PLAN, YOUR PLAY IS 12 MORE PICKLEBALL COURTS COMING TO WARREN SPORTS COMPLEX.

THEN WE ALSO HEARD FROM THE ARTS AND CULTURAL ADVISORY BOARD.

IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, THAT USED TO BE THE PUBLIC ART BOARD.

THAT WAS JUST A LIMITED VISUAL ART AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, BUT IT IS NOW LARGER.

IT INCLUDES HERITAGE AND MUSIC, DANCE THEATER, AND IT GOES HAND IN HAND RIGHT NOW WITH THE CULTURAL AFFAIRS MASTER PLAN AS WELL.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT DOING A LOT OF GREAT THINGS TO ENCOURAGE AND ADVOCATE FOR LOCAL ARTISTS, AND THEY HAVE ACTUALLY HUNDREDS OF ARTISTS THAT THEY ARE SUPPORTING THROUGH DIFFERENT EXHIBITIONS.

BE WATCHING FOR THEIR EVENTS, AND YOU CAN FIND EVERYTHING ON OUR WEBSITE.

>> CAN I ADD JUST ONE THING TO THAT?

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SURFACED IN GOVERNANCE OUT OF THOSE THREE COMMITTEES IS HOW MUCH THOSE BOARD MEMBERS ARE ACTUALLY OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, PARTICIPATING IN THESE EVENTS.

THEY'RE NOT JUST SITTING ON A BOARD IN A ROOM, MAKING A DECISION, BUT ACTIVELY OUT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

I JUST WANT TO THANK THEM FOR BEING AS ACTIVE AS THEY ARE.

QUITE FRANKLY, THEY'RE HOLDING EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE, SO NOBODY GETS TO SIT AROUND. THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

>> ANY OTHER COMMITTEE UPDATES?

>> THAT WILL MOVE US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA,

[CONSENT AGENDA]

ITEMS PLACED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE IN NATURE AND ARE CONSIDERED NONCONTROVERSIAL.

THE CONSENT AGENDA CAN BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION.

THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TO MOVE ANY ITEM FOR DISCUSSION AND SEPARATE ACTION.

COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY VOTE NAY ON ANY ITEM WITHOUT COMMENT, MAY SUBMIT COMMENTS AS PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD.

COUNCIL, YOU HAVE ITEMS 11-32 FOR CONSIDERATION.

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>> MOVE TO APPROVE 11-32.

THAT WILL MOVE US TO OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA.

>> AYE [OVERLAPPING]

>> PASSES 6, 0.

[LEGISLATIVE AGENDA]

THESE ITEMS MAY LEGALLY REQUIRE COUNCIL ACTION, BUT BY COUNCIL POLICY SHOULD BE THE CITY MANAGER'S RESPONSIBILITY.

THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA CAN BE ACTED UPON A ONE MOTION.

THE CONCURRENCE OF TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS IS REQUIRED TO REMOVE ANY ITEM FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND ACTION.

COUNCILMEMBERS MAY VOTE NAY ON ANY SINGLE ITEM WITHOUT COMMENT, MAY SUBMIT WRITTEN COMMENTS AS PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD.

THERE'S ONE ITEM, ITEM 33.

>> MOTION TO MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 33.

WE WILL NOW MOVE TO CITIZEN INPUT.

>> AYE [OVERLAPPING]

>> PASSES 6, 0.

[CITIZEN INPUT (to begin approximately at 7:30 p.m.)]

I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER TODAY.

>> WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE CURRENT AGENDA, AND THE OTHERS WE WILL WAIT UNTIL THE AGENDA ITEM IS CALLED.

THE SPEAKER IS MR. LEE.

>> I'M READING THE BIBLE, JOHN CHAPTER 1 AND CHAPTER 6.

JOHN CHAPTER 1, VERSE 1 SAYS, "IN THE BEGINNING WAS WORD.

THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.

THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD.

ALL THINGS MADE BY HIM, AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE.

IN HIM WAS A LIFE AND THE LIFE WAS THE LIGHT OF MEN." VERSE 11, "HE CAME UNTO HIS OWN AND HIS OWN RECEIVED HIM NOT." VERSE 12, "BUT AS MANY AS RECEIVED HIM TO THEM GAVE HE POWER TO BECOME THE SONS OF GOD, EVEN TO THEM THAT BELIEVE ON HIS NAME." CHAPTER 6, VERSE 39 AND 40, "AND THIS IS THE FATHER'S WILL WHICH HE HAS SENT TO ME THAT OF ALL THINGS HE HAS GIVEN ME, I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING, BUT SHOULD RAISE IT UP AGAIN AT THE LAST DAY." AND 40, "THIS IS THE WILL OF HIM THAT SENT TO ME, THAT EVERYONE WHICH SEETH THE SON AND BELIEVE ON HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE, AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP AT THE LAST DAY."

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VERSE 44, "NO ONE CAN COME TO ME, EXCEPT THE FATHER WHICH HAS SENT ME DRAWS ME, AND I WILL RAISE THEM UP AT THE LAST DAY." FIFTY-THREE AND 54, "THEN JESUS SAYS, "VERILY VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, EXCEPT YE EAT THE FLESH OF THE SON OF MAN," SON OF MAN IS JESUS, "AND DRINK HIS BLOOD, YE HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU."

>> THANK YOU, MR. LEE. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.

>> WE HAVE ONE MORE. WE DO HAVE ANOTHER CITIZEN INPUT CARD, DONNA SPITZLER.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, DONNA SPITZLER, 7037 WHITE ROCK COURT FRISCO, TEXAS.

I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION THIS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE LIBRARY.

THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY LOVE THE LIBRARY SO MUCH.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE DOING IS ON FEBRUARY 25TH, WE HAVE CJ BOX, WHO'S A WONDERFUL AUTHOR.

NEW YORK TIMES BEST SELLING AUTHOR, AND HE WRITES SOME GREAT STORIES ABOUT A MONTANA GAME WARDEN NAMED JOE PICKETT.

HE'S NOT JUST ANY GAME WARDEN, SO IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, AND YOU CAN GET THAT INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE.

WITH REGARD TO HERITAGE, FRISCO IS CELEBRATING THEIR 123RD BIRTHDAY THIS YEAR.

WE WILL BE CELEBRATING SATURDAY MORNING AT THE PEP RALLY, AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

THE MUSEUM STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER A NEW PROGRAM.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING SECOND SATURDAYS AT THE MUSEUM.

THEY'RE STARTING WITH EXHIBITS ALL ABOUT NASA, SO IT SHOULD BE A REALLY EXCITING EVENT.

A LITTLE BIT OF PERSONAL HISTORY FOR ME.

I MOVED HERE IN '07.

I WANTED TO FIND OUT ABOUT MY NEW CITY.

I STARTED COMING TO COUNCIL MEETINGS AND GOING TO CITY HALL 101.

MY GRANDSON WAS HERE HELPING ME CLEAN OUT AT THE HOLIDAYS AND ALL THESE PAPERS.

HE SAYS, "GRANDMA, WHAT'S ALL THIS STUFF?" HE'S A LITTLE MATHEMATICIAN.

HE HAS FIGURED OUT THAT TONIGHT IS MY 219TH COUNCIL MEETING.

THAT'S MORE THAN SOME OF YOU HAVE, I THINK [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU.

>> IMPRESSIVE.

>> THANK YOU, DONNA. THAT WILL TAKE US TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA,

[Public Hearing: A request for a Specific Use Permit for an Office/Warehouse/Distribution Center on one lot on 28.6± acres on the north side of SH 121, 1,015± feet west of Independence Parkway and to consider to direct Staff to prepare an Ordinance of the same. Zoned Highway. Neighborhood #26. Specific Use Permit Case No. SUP24-0013. Applicant: BGE, Inc. (Development Services/JH)]

ITEM 34 IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN OFFICE WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION CENTER ON ONE LOT ON 28.6 ACRES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF STATE HIGHWAY 121, 01,015 FEET WEST OF INDEPENDENCE PARKWAY, AND TO CONSIDER TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE OF THE SAME ZONED HIGHWAY, NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 26, SPECIFIC USE CASE NUMBER SUP24-0013 APPLICANT BGE CORP.

>> YES, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, JOHN LETTELLEIR, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

UP ON THE LOCATED MAP IS THE BOUNDARY OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ON THE PROPERTY.

I WANT TO POINT OUT WHAT'S NOT INCLUDED ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 121, THEY'RE LEAVING THAT OUT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

THAT BECOMES IMPORTANT AS IT WILL SCREEN ANYTHING BEHIND THE PROPERTY BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING A LANDSCAPE EDGE AND AND TREES BEING PLANTED THERE.

BUT THE SUP IS FOR FOUR OFFICE WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION BUILDINGS, AND THE SUP IS REQUIRED BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE THAN 50% WOULD BE WAREHOUSING.

IF IT WAS 50% OR LESS, THIS WOULD BE A STRAIGHT ZONING THAT WOULD NOT HAVE COME BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

WE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE NATURAL FEATURES THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S JUST A SMALL TRIBUTARY THAT RUNS ALONG THERE.

ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS THOUGHT THAT SHOULD BE A HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL.

WE FOLLOWED-UP WITH THE CITY OF PLANO, IT'S NOT ON THEIR TRAIL PLAN.

IT'S NOT ON OUR TRAIL PLAN, THE LAST UPDATE, AND IT'S VERY DOUBTFUL THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO WORK THE TRAIL UNDERNEATH 121.

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WE'VE LEARNED THAT THE CITY HAS THREE TRAIL CROSSINGS UNDER 121.

THE ONE IS ABOUT 5,800 FEET TO THE EAST OF THIS, AND SO THERE BE TWO OTHERS FURTHER TO THE WEST.

WITH THAT, WE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT FOR THESE BUILDINGS TO BE FRONTING TOWARDS THE OPEN SPACE, NOT HAVE THE BAY DOORS FACING THE OPEN SPACE.

WE CONSIDER THAT BUT TO BE THE FRONT DOOR, AND THEY'RE SUPPLEMENTING THE LANDSCAPING IN THERE WITH ADDITIONAL TREES, TERRACED WALLS, WE'LL HAVE STONE, BRICK BANNER ON THOSE SEATING AREAS.

THEN THE ONLY BUILDING THAT WOULD HAVE POTENTIALLY BAY DOORS FACING TO THE SOUTHWEST, BUT YOU NEED TO REMEMBER THAT TRAFFIC ALONG 121 GOES SOUTH ALONG HERE.

THAT'S ONE. SECOND, STAFF WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO DO MULTIPLE TREES IN THIS AS WELL AS A DOUBLE ROW OF TREES IN THE FUTURE FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENS TO THE WEST OF THIS SIDE.

THE APPLICANT DID SIGN THE VOLUNTARY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT YOU APPROVED EARLIER TONIGHT, AND SO THAT IS THE REQUEST THAT'S BEFORE YOU.

PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST.

I THINK I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE?

>> THANK YOU, JOHN. COUNCIL, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> MOVE TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.

>> THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

>> AYE [OVERLAPPING]

IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

>> YES. WE DID HAVE REED DUNBAR AND RUSTY GLOVER.

>> THE PICTURE SERAS. THE PICTURES THAT WE TAKE ARE SHOWING THAT THE TRAIL COULD NOT GO UNDERNEATH 121.

THERE YOU GO.

WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS PUSH THE BUTTON ON THE RIGHT, AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO POINT TO SOMETHING UP THERE, JUST THAT TOP BUTTON JUST BELOW THAT SCREEN.

>> MAYOR, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS EVENING AND PRESENT OUR PROJECT.

MY NAME IS R. REID DUNBAR.

MY ADDRESS IS 6331 WAGNER DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS.

I'M THE EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT WITH EASTGROUP PROPERTIES AND OVERSEE OUR CENTRAL REGION OPERATIONS.

I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE A QUICK INTRODUCTION TO EASTGROUP TONIGHT AND REVIEW OUR DEVELOPMENT OBJECTIVES.

EASTGROUP PROPERTIES IS A NATIONAL COMPANY WITH A LOCAL PRESENCE AND A 40+ YEAR HISTORY FOCUSING SOLELY ON HIGH END MULTI-TENANT BUSINESS DISTRIBUTION PRODUCT.

AMONGST OUR PEERS, WE ARE CONSIDERED A PRE EMINENT DEVELOPER FOR OUR PRODUCT TIME.

WE HAVE A LONG TERM OWNERSHIP HORIZON AND THEREFORE DESIGN AND DEVELOP WITH THAT MENTALITY.

WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO DEVELOP AND SELL THIS FOR A QUICK BUCK.

WE LIKE TO DEVELOP BUILDINGS IN A PARK LIKE SETTING TO CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE AND A HIGH END CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT.

BECAUSE WE ARE LONG TERM OWNERS, WE STRIVE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND PARTNERS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AND HAVE A STRONG RECORD OF DOING SUCH.

AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, WE'VE PROACTIVELY MET WITH RICHWOODS HOA, WHO IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH.

OUR VISION FOR THIS PROJECT IS TO INTEGRATE THE GREEN SPACE ON SITE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AND AMENITIES AND CREATE A PROFESSIONAL PARK LIKE SETTING.

OUR DEVELOPMENT WILL SIT BEHIND A FUTURE COMMERCIAL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE CONTROL.

THERE WILL BE A BUFFER ALONG 121, BUT ALL ACCESS WILL BE SOLELY FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD.

ALL STORE FRONTS WILL FACE EITHER THE GREEN SPACE OR THE HIGHWAY FRONTAGE.

FROM OUR EXPERIENCE, THIS PRODUCT WILL MEET AN UNMET NEED FOR FLEXIBLE COMMERCIAL SPACE IN FRISCO.

EASTGROUP PROPERTY KNOWS THE 121 CORRIDOR BETTER THAN MOST.

WE'VE BEEN ACTIVELY DEVELOPING ALONG THIS CORRIDOR FOR 10 YEARS.

WE HAVE SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENTS BOTH TO THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTHWEST OF THIS LOCATION, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP.

WE'VE DEVELOPED 22 BUILDINGS, WHICH TOTAL 1.8 MILLION SQUARE FEET, AND ARE CURRENTLY 100% OCCUPIED OF 46 DIFFERENT TENANTS.

WE PLAN FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IN FRISCO TO BE EVEN HIGHER THAN THE 22 BUILDINGS WE'VE DEVELOPED SETTING A NEW STANDARD.

OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICE USERS THAT DON'T FIT IN YOUR TRADITIONAL OFFICE BUILDINGS AND INCLUDE USES LIKE SHOW ROOM SPACE, TRAINING FACILITIES, LAB, OR RD SPACE,

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OR LIGHT ASSEMBLY OPERATIONS? THESE TYPE OF USERS ARE EITHER SUPPORTING THE LOCAL POPULATION OR PROVIDING EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOCAL RESIDENTS OR SUPPORT EXISTING LOCAL BUSINESS OPERATIONS.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE READ A LOT ABOUT UNIVERSAL STUDIOS AND HOW OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE OPENING A PARK IN FRISCO.

IN ONE OF OUR BUILDINGS THAT WE OWN IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA, WE ACTUALLY LEASE SPACE TO UNIVERSAL STUDIOS WHERE THEY REPAIR AND STORE COSTUMES AND SETS FOR THEIR THEME PARKS.

USES LIKE THAT WE COULD ENVISION SEEING IN OUR BUILDINGS.

WE COULD TALK FOR DAYS ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF USERS, THE OCCUPIER BUILDING.

WE'VE LISTED SOME HERE, BUT KNOW THE CITY WILL BE VERY PROUD TO HAVE THESE COMPANIES RESIDING IN FRISCO.

WITH THAT, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS FOR US OR THE TEAM.

DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK? THANK YOU.

HE KNOWS ALL THE DETAILS. ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

>> SEEING NONE MOVED TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> SECOND BY TAMI IN FAVOR.

>> THAT PASSES 6-0 PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

COUNSEL, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE?

>> GO AHEAD.

>> REID. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.

WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THESE BUILDOUTS DO YOU BUY AND HOLE VERSUS BUY AND SELL?

>> IN OUR PORTFOLIO?

ESPECIALLY NEW DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS, THIS WOULD BE 30-YEAR-OLD, MAYBE YOUNGER.

>> WE RARELY SELL.

>> YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE QUALITY BUILDOUT AND THE TENANT WILL BE IN PERPETUITY UNLESS YOU ON A RARE OCCASION DECIDED TO SELL THIS?

>> YEAH. THIS WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING WE WOULD EVER FORESEE SELL.

>> MAYBE THIS IS A BETTER QUESTION FOR MR. LATER PLANNING AND ZONING.

I KNOW WE'VE SEEN SOME PROJECTS LIKE THIS BEFORE ALONG 121, AND I TOOK A STEP BACK, TOOK AN INTEREST IN THIS AND WAS CURIOUS AS REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT TRUST IS NATIONALLY KNOWN, SUCCESSFUL AND IS, HERE IN FRISCO LOOKING TO EXPAND THEIR OPERATIONS.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS OF NOTE.

I KNOW SOMETIMES WE GET EXCITED ABOUT CLASS A OFFICE SPACE AND THAT USE, AND WE SEE SOME OF THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 121, AND I THOUGHT OF THAT AS MAYBE A MISSED OPPORTUNITY, BUT I THOUGHT ALSO THAT THIS IS PERHAPS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO COMPLIMENT WHAT'S GOING ON ACROSS THE STREET.

I HAD THE IDEA OF THE CONTRACTS ARE SIGNED ACROSS THE STREET IN PLANO, IN THESE CLASS OFFICE SPACES, THEN WOULDN'T THEY BE EXECUTED HERE IN FRISCO IN IN THESE SHOWROOMS AND WAREHOUSE SPACE WHERE THERE YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY A HUGE PROFIT CENTER, AND I WAS THINKING OF THE POINT OF SALE.

WOULD THE POINT OF SALE BE EXECUTED HERE, I GUESS, ANY TRANSACTIONS THAT OCCUR HERE? IS THIS MERELY A DISTRIBUTION CENTER OR WOULD ITEMS ACTUALLY BE SOLD HERE, WE COULD LOOK AT THIS, PERHAPS THROUGH THE LENS AS AGAIN AS A POINT OF SALE FOR FRISCO?

>> POTENTIALLY, AND THE REASON I SAY POTENTIALLY, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT.

WHEN WE DO LIKE POINT OF SALES OR WHATNOT FOR PROJECTS, WE HAVE THEM TO BE IN FRISCO.

I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT.

BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS WHEN WE LOOK AT THE START BUSINESS PARK ON PRESSON ROAD AND THE SUCCESS OF THAT, SEEING THE SUCCESS HAPPENING IN THIS AREA IS HE PRESENTED, UP AND DOWN 121, THEY'VE DONE A NUMBER OF THESE PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL ON.

I KNOW OTHER PEOPLE HAVE POINTED TO, LIKE, CRAIG RANCH OR WHATNOT.

THEY ARE DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT CRAIG RANCH, THEY STARTED OFF WITH A LARGE TRACT THAT ALLOWED MORE FLEXIBILITY IN LAYING OUT THE DEVELOPMENT HERE IS NOT.

IT'S BEEN FRAMED BY DEVELOPMENT OF RICHWOODS TO THE NORTH AND THIS IS PROPERTY HAS BEEN PARCELED OUT TO DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS.

IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHAT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME? BUT I WILL SAY LIKE IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT REDEVELOPMENT, THIS WOULD BE A LARGE TRACK THAT REMOVING OFFICE WAREHOUSE IS A LOT SIMPLER THAN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT OFFICE BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY.

>> RIGHT. I HAVE IT HEAR YOU SAY, I BEST IN CLASS, BEST PRACTICES, BEST USE OF LAND.

THIS COMPANY, EGP, SEEMS TO FIT THAT BILL AS WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE WHATEVER IT IS,

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WE WANT THE BEST THAT ENTITY TO COME IN AND BE A PARTNER HERE WITH THE CITY OF FRISCO.

I KNOW PLANNING AND ZONING FOLKS HAVE CONCERNS FOR THE LAND, AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IT'S SETBACK FROM 121, AS YOU CALLED OUT EARLIER.

THERE'S A GOOD BUFFER BETWEEN FUTURE BUILDINGS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OF THE PROPERTY.

LOOKS LIKE STREET AND SIDEWALK CONNECTORS AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER FOR FUTURE CONNECTIVITY.

YOU POINTED OUT THE GREEN BELTS ALONG THERE, WHICH COULD BE UNITIZED.

I KNOW, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS WANT TO SEE S ACCESSIBILITY TO GREEN SPACE, UNIQUE TRAIN FEATURES SUCH AS WHAT WE HAVE THERE.

I DO UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES OF GETTING ACROSS OR EVEN UNDERNEATH 121.

I WOULDN'T PURSUE THAT.

BUT I LIKE WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.

I KNOW WE HAD HAD SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, I THINK A DIFFERENT PROPOSAL IN A DIFFERENT AREA, I THINK FROM THE SAME COMPANY, AND THAT'S WHAT SPURRED MY INTEREST IN THIS IS WE DON'T WANT TO PROLIFERATION OF THESE CERTAINLY.

AND I THINK ANOTHER CONCERN OF CITIZENS WOULD BE JUST 18 WHEELERS COMING AND GOING, PERHAPS, IDLING, THESE OPERATIONS RUNNING 247.

CAN YOU SPEAK MAYBE TO HOW THIS E WOULD WHAT TYPE OF USE ARE WE SEEING HERE IN THIS FACILITY? IS IT SIMPLY A TENANT AND CUSTOMER RELATIONSHIP OR IS THIS WHAT THEY DESCRIBE HAS MOSTLY HAS BEEN TENANT.

>> ONE THING I DID WANT TO SPECIFY OR CLARIFY THAT WHEN YOU MENTIONED ABOUT COULD THIS EXPAND? LET'S TALK ABOUT I'M GOING TO BACK UP, SO I GOT SOMETHING TO SPEAK FROM.

THE LOCATOR MAP. WHEN LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY, WOULD THIS USE EXPAND ON THE OTHER SIDE? THE ANSWER, IN MY OPINION, WE WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

THE REASON BEING 121 IS A TRUCK ROUTE.

FOR CONSIDERATION OF THIS TYPE OF USE, JUST LIKE IT WAS THE STAR BUSINESS PARK.

PRESSON ROAD IS A TRUCK ROUTE, THIS IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A USE, THIS IS WHERE IT SHOULD BE LOCATED, SO IT'S NOT GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'VE HAD REQUESTS LIKE FURTHER TO THE WEST HERE ALONG ROAD, FURTHER NORTH OF 121, IT WOULD NOT BE A GOOD SITE TO HAVE IF YOU HAVE TRUCKS, BECAUSE THAT TRAFFIC DOES BACK UP THERE.

YOU HAVE LEBANON ROAD, YOU HAVE THE HOSPITAL THERE, 121, THAT BECOMES CONVOLUTED IN THAT.

BUT THIS MAKES A GOOD LOCATION, AND I DO WANT TO SAY ABOUT THIS OPEN SPACE ALONG HERE.

WHEN THIS PROPERTY DEVELOPS ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER TO USE TO FURTHER EXPAND THAT OPEN SPACE LEADING FURTHER UP NORTH TO WHAT IS FUTURE LEBANON ROAD.

REGARDING IF YOU GET INTO THE SUBJECT OF THE INTENSITY OF INDUSTRIAL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LAND PRICES THAT WE HAVE IN FRISCO, AND THEN THE SALARIES, THOSE ARE LESS LIKELY TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THEY GENERALLY PAY LOWER WAGES, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING WITHIN THAT AREA, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY COMPETITIVE IF YOU TRY TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION.

THIS IS TENDS TO BE MORE OF THE HIGH END, CAN'T GUARANTEE IT, BUT MOST LIKELY THAT IT WILL BE.

>> DO WE HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN FRISCO ALONG 121? I KNOW WE'VE GOT YOU MENTIONED THE STAR BUSINESS PARK.

>> YEAH. NOT ALONG 121.

THE LARGEST THING THAT WOULD COME CLOSEST IS A FURNITURE STORE.

THERE A HILLCREST AND 121 LIVING SPACES, BUT NO.

GENERALLY, WHEN YOU GO FURTHER TO THE WEST, YOU HAVE SOME GARDEN OFFICES ON SMALL TRACKS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE.

BUT GENERALLY ONCE YOU GET PAST HILLCREST, THE DEMAND FOR DEVELOPMENT JUST FALLS OFF.

>> I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

I I'M VERY CURIOUS TO SEE HOW THIS WORKS, AND I THINK THIS IS A LOW RISK PROPOSITION TO FIGURE THAT OUT AS THAT MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN CLASS A OFFICE SPACE AND JUST THE OLD GOOD OLD FASHIONED TRADITIONAL WAREHOUSE AND HOW THIS FITS INTO THAT AND CAN BE A COMPLIMENT TO SOME OF THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN IN THE CITY. THANKS.

>> JOHN, WHAT DO YOU SEE THE LAND USE FOR THE TRACK TO THE NORTH OF THE CREEK? WHAT'S OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR THAT? IS IT SINGLE FAMILY THERE OR IS IT COMMERCIAL?

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>> IT'S COMMERCIAL.

BASED ON THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, LEBANON ROAD HAS ALWAYS BEEN FOR-SEEN AS THE BOUNDARY OF RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH, COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH, AND WHEN YOU GET IN THAT AREA, COULD IT BE GARDEN OFFICES.

I'M BEING ASKED ABOUT MULTI FAMILY.

I'VE SAID, NO, WE DON'T WANT MULTI FAMILY TUCKED BACK IN THERE.

WOULD WE CONSIDER ANY TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL? THAT'S A HARD HARD QUESTION TO SAY BECAUSE JUST AS WE HAD THAT DEVELOPMENT CASE OVER THERE AT ROCK HILL AND 423, THAT PROPERTY WAS ALREADY ZONED INDUSTRIAL AND THEN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPED ADJACENT TO IT.

OUR GENERAL UNWRITTEN POLICY IS NOT PLACE RESIDENTIAL NEXT TO THESE FACILITIES.

>> THEN THE FUTURE PATH OF LEBANON ROAD, I KNOW IT'S BEEN DRAWN A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS OVER THE YEARS, THIS DOESN'T, IN ANY WAY, RESTRICT THAT PATH OR IMPACT BECAUSE OF THAT PATH, IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST?

>> NO, IT DOES NOT. WE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT ENGINEER, RICH GLOVER ON THAT.

LEBANON ROAD AS IT CONTINUES TO THE WEST, IT WILL SLOPE DOWN AND CONNECT TO COURT ROAD.

THAT ALIGNMENT HAS BEEN SET FOR A LONG TIME.

NOW ZONING DOES NOT SET THE ALIGNMENT, BUT WHEN THE ZONING WAS APPROVED FOR THIS AREA, LIKE I THINK BACK IN THE 80S, EARLY 90S.

IT SHOWED LEBANON ROAD FOLLOWING THAT.

WE'VE HAD PEOPLE INQUIRING ABOUT DEVELOPING THAT PROPERTY, AND THE LANDOWNERS THERE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ROAD IS RESPECTED.

I KNOW OTHERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE BRINGING IT STRAIGHT ACROSS, BUT IF YOU DO THAT, THEN YOU GOT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, TRAFFIC SIGNAL, AND THEN DOWN AT 121 IS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, AND BEING IN PLANET WHEN YOU GOT MULTIPLE TRAFFIC SIGNALS, THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT ON TIMING.

>> I KNOW THIS MAY NOT MAKE SENSE FOR A REGIONAL TRAIL NETWORK, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE'RE DOING HERE THAT WOULD IMPEDE BEING ABLE TO PUT A TRAIL ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT CREEK, SHOULD IT SUPPLEMENT THAT DEVELOPMENT?

>> WE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL, YES.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN IS WORKING ON A TRAIL SYSTEM WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT.

>> A QUESTION CAME UP ABOUT RUNNING THE TRAIL UP TO RICHWOODS.

RICHWOODS BACKS TO COUNTY ROAD 68, AND IT'S NOT A ROAD THAT'S ON A FAR PLAN THAT WILL PROBABLY GO AWAY AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.

I KNOW PEOPLE LIKE THE TREES AND WHATNOT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT GET SPENT ON PUTTING DOWN NEW ASPHALT ALL THE TIME.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, THAT, IN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S SOMETHING TO WORK A TRAIL SYSTEM IN.

>> MY LAST QUESTION, SO THERE ARE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, THEY'VE CHOSEN TO PUSH THAT UP ALONG THE CREEK TO EXPAND THAT; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES. THAT'S WHAT WE DO WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.

WE TRY TO WORK WITH THE NATURAL FEATURES ON THE SITE, AND WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, WHEN THE PROPERTY COMES INTO THE NORTH IS USING THAT OPEN SPACE AS WELL.

WE'VE DONE THAT MULTIPLE TIMES.

>> YEAH. I AGREE, JOHN.

THIS GROUP, THE LAST ONE THAT THEY BROUGHT THAT WAS DENIED, I DIDN'T MENTION, I WAS AGAINST THIS USE BY ANY STRETCH.

IT'S A VALID USE IN THE RIGHT PLACES, I THINK.

THIS IS VERY MUCH A MORE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THE USE, THOUGH.

>> I WOULD AGREE. I WAS IN MUCH OF THE SAME PLACE THAT THE MAYOR WAS THE LAST TIME THEY CAME TO US.

I WILL SAY AS I DRIVE DOWN 121, HEADED TO THE AIRPORT, YOU GO INTO OTHER CITIES, I WON'T NAME THEM, AND YOU SEE WHAT 121 LOOKS LIKE, AND SO I'M NOT SUPER EXCITED ABOUT HAVING OUR 121 LINED WITH WAREHOUSES.

I'LL BE HONEST AND MAKE THAT STATEMENT.

BUT I THINK THE QUALITY OF BUILD OUT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE WITH THESE DEVELOPERS, COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE OUR 121 TO A DIFFERENT LEVEL, GIVING US THAT WAREHOUSE UTILIZATION, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SETBACK AND HAVING OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTY UP FRONT AND PROTECTING THE GREEN BELT.

I'M 100% SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING FORWARD AT THIS TIME BASED ON THE QUALITY OF BUILD-OUT FROM THE BUILDERS, THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE SELLING, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO OWN THIS PROPERTY IN PERPETUITY.

AGAIN, I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SHOW FRISCO AS A DIFFERENT LOOK ON 121S THAN SOME OF OTHER SISTER CITIES THAT DO HAVE HOUSES LINING 121.

LET'S MAKE IT LOOK DIFFERENT.

LET'S PROVIDE THE UTILIZATION.

BECAUSE I AGREE WE'VE GOT UNIVERSAL, WE'VE GOT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE COMING THAT ARE GOING TO NEED THIS KIND OF SPACE.

BUT LET'S MAKE IT FRISCO.

LET'S PUT A DIFFERENT SPIN ON IT SO THAT WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN 121 AND YOU GET TO FRISCO,

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YOU REALIZE THIS IS A DIFFERENT CITY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> YEAH, I HAVE ONE QUESTION, PLEASE.

ONE, I APPLAUD YOU FOR DEALING WITH THE TRIANGLE-SHAPED PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT IS A UNIQUE ISSUE IN ITSELF.

THE ONE QUESTION THAT I HAVE AROUND THIS IS THESE BAYS ARE GOING TO BE ONE ENTRANCE ON ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND ESSENTIALLY, IF ANY TRUCKS WERE GOING TO HAVE TO BACK OUT, THEY'D HAVE TO GO BACK THE SAME WAY THEY'RE COMING.

THE ONE THING THAT I DIDN'T SEE VERY CLEARLY ON THE SITE PLAN IS HOW THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO WORK THROUGH IN HERE, AND IS THIS POTENTIALLY TOO TIGHT FOR THE TRANSPORTATION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TO BE DELIVERING IN HERE TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND OUT OF THIS AREA?

>> I WILL SAY THAT'S TYPICALLY, WE LOOK AT THAT ON THE PLAN BEFORE.

>> I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.

>> THERE'S A ENTRANCE HERE AND THEN AN ENTRANCE HERE SO THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT.

BUT THE TURNING MOVEMENTS, THAT'S PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS THAT WE DO TO ENSURE IT CAN OPERATE, THEY CAN FUNCTION.

>> WITHIN THE PROPERTY. I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE IN AND OUT TO 121.

IT'S WITHIN THE PROPERTY ITSELF.

>> I THINK FOR ME, LAST TIME TOO, I WAS NOT FOR THE PROJECT AT THE LOCATION IT WAS DUE TO WANTING TO PRESERVE WHAT WE HAVE, THIS BEAUTIFUL CREEK AREA.

BUT THIS ONE IS UNIQUE.

YOU'RE REALLY BACKED UP AGAINST A HARD CORNER.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT NORTH, YOU'VE GOT A HIGHWAY AND IT'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS FLOODPLAIN, AND TO THE EAST, SAME THING, HIGHWAY, FLOODPLAIN.

SOUTH, EXPRESSWAY, CORRIDORS, AND THE WEST, BUSINESS PARK.

THIS IS THE BEST THING THAT I THINK CAN GO IN THERE AND SO I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT TONIGHT.

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION FROM THE CONNECTIVITY STANDPOINT, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRAIL AND WHY THAT MAY HAVE COME UP, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOOKED AT IS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT WHERE ARE PEOPLE COMING FROM AND WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO AND THE LIKELIHOOD, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RICHWOODS OR ELSEWHERE, IS THAT THE CONNECTIVITY IS GOING TO COME FROM THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF INDEPENDENCE IN LEBANON AND PROBABLY CONNECT OVER ALONG LEBANON ONCE THAT DEVELOPS, AND MAYBE ONCE SOME OF THOSE OTHER INDUSTRIAL PARKS EXIT, AND THAT GETS THEM OVER TO THE TRAIL VERSUS TRYING TO GET UNDER 121, WHERE THERE ISN'T ANYWHERE TO GO ANYWAY IN THE PLANO AREA.

I'M SUPPORTIVE AS WELL. I THINK THE PRODUCT LOOKS GREAT, AND HOPEFULLY, THE AMENITIES FOR WHOEVER WORKS THERE. THAT'S FINE.

>> COUNCIL, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS. I'LL LOOK FOR MOTION.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> THE MOTION PASSES 6-0. THANK YOU.

ITEM 35 IS A PUBLIC HEARING,

[Public Hearing: A request for a Specific Use Permit for a Licensed Child-Care Center on one lot on 1.7± acres on the east side of Coit Road, 980± feet south of Charismatic Parkway and to consider to direct Staff to prepare an Ordinance of the same. Zoned Planned Development-6-Commercial-1. Neighborhood #14. Specific Use Permit Case No. SUP24-0014. Applicant: Sambatek. (Development Services/RR)]

A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A LICENSED CHILDCARE CENTER ON ONE LOT ON 1.7 ACRES ON THE EAST SIDE OF COIT ROAD, 980 FEET SOUTH OF CHARISMATIC PARKWAY AND TO CONSIDER DIRECT STAT TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE OF THE SAME ZONE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 6 COMMERCIAL 1, NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 14.

SPECIFIC USE PERMIT CASE NUMBER SUP24-0014, APPLICANT SAM MATIC [PHONETIC].

>> MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AN SUP HAD TO BE IMPROVED ON THE PROPERTY.

THEY'VE CHANGED THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, CHANGED THE ENROLLMENT, AND SO THEY NEED TO GET A NEW SUP FOR THEIR LICENSED CHILDCARE CENTER.

WHAT'S CHANGING, THEY'RE ENLARGING THE BUILDING BY 900 SQUARE FEET.

THEY'RE REDUCING THE ENROLLMENT FROM 190 TO 175.

THE OPEN SPACE IS APPROXIMATELY 255 FEET AWAY FROM THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

THERE WILL BE A BUILDING BUILT IN THE FUTURE IN THAT 255 FEET THAT WILL SEPARATE THE OUTDOOR PLAY SPACE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REVIEWED THIS AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

THEY DID SIGN THE VOLUNTARY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

>> COUNCIL, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> MOVE TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.

>> IT PASSES 6-0. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

>> SEEING NONE, MOVE TO CLOSE.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

>> THAT PASS 6-0.

COUNCIL, WHAT QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS DO YOU HAVE?

>> WHEN THIS CAME UP PREVIOUSLY, THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT WE'RE GOING INTO THIS AREA THAT THE TRAFFIC WAS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE WITH WHERE THEIR GATE WAS.

DID WE EVER GET THAT FIXED WITH THEM?

>> FROM WHAT I RECALL, THAT'S BEEN QUITE A WHILE AGO.

>> YES, IT'S BEEN A HOT MINUTE.

>> IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS. I THINK WE WERE IN THE PANDEMIC AT THE TIME.

BUT WE WORKED SOME OF THE THINGS OUT.

WE HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CIRCULATED.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE SPECIFICS.

>> BUT THAT'S NOT A CONCERN WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING ANYMORE?

>> NO.

>> COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

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IF NONE, I'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 35.

ITEM 36 IS A PUBLIC HEARING,

>> THAT PASSES 6-0.

[Public Hearing: A request to rezone one single-family, residential lot on 0.4± acre on the southeast corner of North County Road and Maple Street from Single Family-7 to Single Family-7-Historic Landmark, and to consider to direct Staff to prepare an Ordinance of the same. Zoned Single Family-7. Neighborhood #11. Zoning Case No. Z24-0010. Applicant: Thet and Cidney Ko. TABLED 01/07/2025. (Development Services/JH)]

A REQUEST TO REZONE ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT ON 0.4 ACRES ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF NORTH COUNTY ROAD AND MAPLE STREET FROM SINGLE FAMILY 7 TO SINGLE FAMILY 7 HISTORIC LANDMARK, AND TO CONSIDER DIRECT STAT TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE OF THE SAME, ZONE SINGLE FAMILY 7, NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 11, ZONING CASE NUMBER Z24-0010.

APPLICANT TET AND SYDNEY CO [PHONETIC].

THIS WAS TABLED ON JANUARY 7TH, 2025.

I SUPPOSE I NEED A MOTION TO REMOVE THIS ITEM FROM THE TABLE.

>> SO MOVED.

>> IT PASS IS 6-0. THIS ITEM IS REMOVED FROM THE TABLE.

>> THIS IS A LITTLE CONVOLUTED FROM WHEN IT STARTED, SO LET ME TRY TO BRING SOME CLARITY TO THIS.

THIS PROPERTY IS NOT ZONE ORIGINAL TOWN RESIDENTIAL. IT NEVER WAS.

NOW, IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN AS A POSSIBILITY.

THE REASON THIS AREA WAS NOT INCLUDED, WANT TO HAVE CLEAN LINES, AND MOST OF THE HOMES IN THE AREA DO NOT FALL UNDER HISTORIC, SO IT WAS LEFT AT SINGLE FAMILY 7.

SOMEONE ON THE APPLICANTS SIDE MET WITH STAFF AND ASKED, WELL, COULD WE REPAINT THE HOUSE? IT'S NOT AN OTR.

YES, THEY COULD. THEY PAINTED THE HOUSE.

NOW THEY'RE MAKING REQUESTS FOR THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK, AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS, AGAIN, THERE'S A TAX PRESERVATION CREDIT THAT THE CITY HAS.

IT'S RUN THROUGH FINANCE, THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2019.

WHAT THIS SPECIFIES THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE DATA SET THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE 1998 DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

THAT WAS THE FIRST, AND THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED.

BUT IN THAT PRESERVATION ORDINANCE THAT FINANCE HAS, IT TALKS ABOUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET TAX CREDIT, YOU NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE OTR ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.

NOW WE COME DOWN TO THE COLORS.

WELL, THERE'S NOTHING BY THE ZONING THAT REQUIRES THE COLORS.

HOWEVER, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ORDINANCE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE COLORS.

NOW, JONATHAN HUBBARD ON MY STAFF HAS VISITED WITH THE APPLICANT TODAY.

PER THAT E-MAIL, I SENT OUT, THEY'RE TENABLY IN AGREEMENT TO GO WITH THOSE COLORS.

HOWEVER, THEY LIKE TO GO WITH THE PINK ON THE HOUSE.

IF YOU APPROVE IT, IT DOESN'T GUARANTEE THAT TAX PRESERVATION CREDITS IS GOING TO BE APPLIED TO THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT IS A SEPARATE ORDINANCE OVER HERE THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET THE STANDARDS, AND PART OF THE STANDARDS IS THE COLOR, AND THE COLOR IN WHICH THE HOUSE IS PAINTED DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THAT ORDINANCE.

NOW, THEY HAVE WORKED WITH THE HERITAGE COMMISSION.

THEY HAVE THE PLAQUE FOR THE HOUSE RECOGNIZING IT, SO THEY'RE GETTING THAT.

NOW IT JUST COMES DOWN, THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE PRESERVATION CREDIT, WHICH IS ANOTHER STEP BEYOND CITY COUNCIL.

NOW, COULD THEY APPEAL A STAFF DENIAL AND JUST SAY, WE WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE COLOR? THEY COULD, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A HARDSHIP THERE, SO THEY DON'T COMPLY WITH COLOR.

WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, THEY WANT TO GET A HISTORICAL MARKER.

THAT'S NUMBER 1. THE OTHER SIDE IS THE PRESERVATION CREDITS WHICH THEY WANT TO GET, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT BASED ON THE COLOR IN WHICH THE HOUSE IS BEING PAINTED TODAY.

THOUGH, IT'S CONFUSING, I KNOW.

>> CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE PRESERVATION CREDIT, WHAT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT IS AND HOW THAT WORKS?

>> YEAH. THERE'S THREE SECTIONS THAT'S PROVIDED, AND IT'S IF YOU'RE DOING A RESTORATION, IT'S LIKE A 6:1 RATIO, YOU PUT A DOLLAR IN, YOU GET SIX DOLLARS IN RETURN.

THAT IS BASED ON THE BUILDING IMPROVEMENT, NOT THE LOT IMPROVEMENT.

IN THAT PRESERVATION IS, LET'S SAY, THE PORCH MAY HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND YOU'RE PUTTING THE PORCH BACK ON, THEN WHAT IS THE COST OF THAT? I DON'T KNOW ALL THE INS AND OUT, BUT THERE'S THREE SPECIFIC SECTIONS THAT SPELLS OUT WHAT YOU CAN GET TAX CREDIT PURPOSES FOR.

IT'S LIKE A 10-YEAR LIMIT, AND IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY AN AD HOC GROUP.

THE AD HOC GROUP IS APPOINTED BY THE CITY MANAGER.

THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE A BUILDING INSPECTOR, A PLANNER, AND THEN A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO DO ONE OF THESE.

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>> IT'S NOT REDUCING THEIR ASSESSED VALUE THAT THEY'RE PAYING.

IT'S TO GET A CREDIT TO MAKE CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS?

>> WELL, THEY GET A TAX CREDIT UP TO A POINT.

I'M NOT WELL VERSED ON THE TAX CREDIT, OTHER THAN TO SAY, IF YOU WANT TO GET IT, YOU NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, WHICH INCLUDES THE COLOR.

>> I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DECIPHER IS WHAT IS THE MATERIALITY OF THIS TAX CREDIT? LIKE A BALLPARK. IS IT A $500.

>> BUT WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO APPROVE THE TAX CREDIT TONIGHT.

>> NO. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PAINT VERSUS BEING ELIGIBLE FOR THIS TAX CREDIT.

WHAT IS THE MATERIALITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT?

>> WELL, WHAT WOULD BE LOOKED UNDER THAT TAX CREDIT IS THE PAINT COLOR, AND THE PAINT COLOR THAT THEY HAVE NOW WOULD RULE THEM OUT OF IT.

NOW, WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO THE ACTUAL COST, I'M NOT WELL-VERSED IN THAT.

I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER FOR YOU.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT, THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN BRING BACK, I JUST NEED A VISIT WITH FINANCE ON THIS.

>> IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, THEY CAN GET THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION.

IF THEY CHOOSE TO REPAINT THE HOUSE AND THEN COME ASK FOR THE TAX CREDIT, THEY COULD DO THAT IN THAT ORDER IF THEY WANTED TO.

THAT'S NOT PRECLUDING THAT PROCESS FROM HAPPENING.

WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT,WE PUT IT IN THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OR NOT?

>> YEAH. GIVEN THAT DESIGNATION OF A HISTORICAL LANDMARK, WE HAVE ABOUT THREE OF THESE THAT'S BEEN APPROVED SO THIS WILL BE LIKE THE FOURTH ONE.

>> DOES THE COLOR MEET THE CRITERIA FOR THE HISTORICAL MARKER?

>> THERE'S NO CRITERIA FOR THAT.

IF IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL TOWN RESIDENTIAL, THEN THIS WOULD BE A FACTOR, BUT THIS IS NOT IN OTR, AND SO THE COLOR IS NOT BEING APPLIED TO IT BECAUSE THE BASE ZONING IS SINGLE FAMILY 7.

>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, JOHN, SINCE IT FEELS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A MOVING TARGET.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT CONCEPTS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HISTORICAL MARKER AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TAX PRESERVATION.

>> YEAH.

>> TONIGHT, WE'RE ONLY FOCUSED ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD ALLOW THE COLOR PALETTE TO BE A PART OF THE MARKER.

>> NO. WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING TONIGHT IS JUST STRICTLY THE HISTORICAL MARKER.

THAT HAS NO BEARING ON THE TAX CREDIT.

>> ON THE PRESERVATION?

>> YES. THAT'S A SEPARATE MATTER.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

>> IT IS A SEPARATE MATTER, BUT IT DOES IMPACT ONE ANOTHER.

THE HISTORIC LANDMARK INCENTIVE IS A 50% REDUCTION OF THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THE STRUCTURE AS LONG AS IT IS IT REMAINS OWNED AND OCCUPIED BY THE PEOPLE WHO ACHIEVE THE DESIGNATION.

>> YES. IT HAS TO BE THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE.

>> ESSENTIALLY, IF THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION IS DONE AND THEN THEY APPLY FOR THE ACTUAL INCENTIVE.

>> PRESERVATION CREDIT.

>> CREDIT. THEN YOU'LL SEE A 50% DECREASE IN THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THE DWELLING UNTIL THEY NO LONGER OCCUPY THE PROPERTY.

>> INTERESTING. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, COUNCIL?

>> MOVE TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.

>> IT PASSES 6-0. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

>> HELLO, MAYOR CHENEY.

HELLO, COUNCIL. EXCUSE ME.

MY NAME IS SYDNEY CO. MY HUSBAND AND I ARE THE PROUD OWNERS OF 9280 NORTH COUNTY.

I'LL DO MY BEST TO STAY WITHIN THE THREE MINUTES.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON MYSELF.

I GREW UP IN THIS AREA.

I'M A NURSE, AND I'M CURRENTLY ALSO FINISHING A DEGREE IN COMPUTER SCIENCE.

MY HUSBAND ALSO WORKS IN TELECOMMUNICATIONS.

WE'RE HARDWORKING CITIZENS WHO LOVE FRISCO.

WE LOVE OUR HOME VERY MUCH, AND WE LOVE ITS HISTORY.

WE'RE COMMITTED TO PRESERVING IT AS WELL.

WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COLOR OF OUR HOME, SO I'D JUST LIKE TO BRIEFLY SHARE OUR THOUGHTS.

WE BELIEVE HISTORIC PRESERVATION DOESN'T HAVE TO MEAN UNIFORMITY.

THROUGHOUT HISTORY, HOMES HAVE REFLECTED THEIR OWNER'S PERSONALITIES, AND WE FEEL THAT OUR HOME DOES THE SAME.

THAT SAID, OUR MAIN GOAL IS TO SHOW YOU OUR COMMITMENT TO ITS PRESERVATION.

WE RESPECT THE CITY'S ROLE IN THIS PROCESS, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE OPEN TO REPAINTING IN HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE COLORS IF THAT'S NECESSARY, THOUGH, WE DO HOPE TO KEEP THE HOME AS IT IS.

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OUR HOME DOES HAVE DEEP HISTORICAL ROOTS.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY THE SITE OF THE HOWARD SCHOOL FOUNDED IN 1884 THAT LATER BECAME THE COLLINSWORTH HOUSE IN 1919.

THAT'S THE HOME NOW THAT WE CURRENTLY LIVE IN.

WE ALSO HAVE THE HISTORIC MARKER PLAQUE.

WE'LL PASS THAT AROUND FOR YOU TO READ.

IT HAS A BIGGER SUMMARY.

>> THAT WAS COMPLETED BY THE FRISCO HERITAGE FOUNDATION RECENTLY.

[NOISE] IT IS ONE OF THE FEW HOMES IN OUR AREA ELIGIBLE FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION, AND WE'VE WORKED HARD TO MAINTAIN ITS 20TH-CENTURY CRAFTSMANSHIP.

PAINT IS REVERSIBLE. IT'S NOT PERMANENT.

THE PINK WAS THOUGHTFULLY CHOSEN, INSPIRED BY HISTORIC HOMES FROM THE SAME ERA, ALSO INSPIRED BY OTHER LOCAL HISTORIC HOMES.

THIS SPECIFIC SHADE WAS CHOSEN TO FADE GRACEFULLY IN THE TEXAS SUN.

WE'VE THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS.

BUT BEYOND AESTHETICS, MAINTAINING A HISTORIC HOME IS A MAJOR FINANCIAL COMMITMENT.

THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAM WOULD HELP TO EASE THAT BURDEN ON US AND ALLOW US TO CONTINUE PRESERVING THE HOME LONG TERM.

IF WE LOOK AT OTHER SUCCESSFUL HISTORIC DISTRICTS LIKE DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY, FOR EXAMPLE, WE SEE HOMES OF ALL COLORS.

MCKINNEY HAS BOTH A PINK AND A PURPLE HOUSE, SHOWING THAT PERSONALITY AND HISTORY CAN COEXIST BEAUTIFULLY.

I HAVE PHOTOS OF THOSE AS WELL THAT WE'VE BROUGHT.

I KNOW THAT FRISCO IS WORKING REALLY HARD TO REVITALIZE OUR DOWNTOWN.

IF WE FOLLOW THE LEAD OF OTHER THRIVING DISTRICTS, WE SHOULD [NOISE] HIGHLIGHT OUR HISTORIC HOMES AND NOT LET THEM BLEND INTO THE BACKGROUND.

SINCE PAINTING OUR HOME, WE'VE HAD SO MANY POSITIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH NEIGHBORS WHO LOVE THE COLOR. IT MAKES PEOPLE SMILE.

IT GETS PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT HISTORY, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I THINK A HISTORIC HOME SHOULD DO.

WE'RE ALSO RAISING OUR TWO YOUNG CHILDREN IN A HOME FULL OF WARMTH, LIFE, CONNECTION TO THE PAST, AND AS A PART OF OUR FAMILY STORY AS WELL.

WITH ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT RESPECTS BOTH HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND PERSONAL EXPRESSION.

WE'VE DONE OUR HOMEWORK, WE'VE SPOKEN WITH NEIGHBORS, EXPERTS FROM THE FRISCO HERITAGE ASSOCIATION, THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

WE'VE EVEN CONSULTED NEIGHBORS BEFORE PAINTING.

IN FACT, SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS HELPED US PICK THE COLOR, AND PICK THE SHADE AS WELL.

WITH THAT SAID, IF REPAINTING IS REQUIRED TO SECURE HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION, WE'RE WILLING TO DO SO, BUT WE ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT COLOR IS SUBJECTIVE AND TEMPORARY, BUT THIS HOME IS A LASTING PIECE OF OUR COMMUNITY'S HISTORY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I'M GOING TO PASS THIS TO MY HUSBAND IF THAT'S OKAY.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR CHENEY AND THEN DEPUTIES AND THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS, IN ADDITION TO MY WIFE.

WE DID DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE WE PAINTED THE HOUSE.

WE CHECKED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, THERE'S NO CODE ON A COLOR.

THEN ALSO, I SPOKE TO HISTORIANS AND SO THE PINK WASN'T PROHIBITED.

IT WASN'T LIKE, YOU CANNOT OR YOU MUST NOT, AND I SHOULD AVOID.

I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT A FEW PICTURES THAT I TOOK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY WERE A PINK HOUSE ON THE MAIN STREET.

A COLORFUL COUPLE OF HOUSES I'D LIKE YOU TO SEE.

IT BRINGS OUT THE COLOR, I BELIEVE.

WE DO ALL THIS WITH A LIGHTHEARTED DECISION.

THE SECOND THING IS THAT I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A FORMAL COMPLAINT THAT'S BEEN FILED, SO WE WANT TO TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY.

I WENT TO LOOK AT IT AND THEY SAY, HELLO, I WANT TO COUNTER THAT.

I WENT AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S A FRIENDLY CHAT, AND SAY, HELLO, IS THERE ANY ISSUES, ANY DISAGREEMENT ON THE COLORS? THEN I'VE GOT ABOUT NINE OR 10 EMAILS TODAY, SO I'M GOING TO PASS IT AROUND.

ALSO, THE PAINT WAS HER LATE GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE IN DENNISON IN GRAYSON COUNTY, SO I THINK IT'S A BIT OF A IMPORTANT COLOR CHOICE FOR US.

I'LL BE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR KIND APPROVAL.

THEN I EVEN BROUGHT SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS HERE.

>> YES, YOU CAN BRING IT OVER TO THE CITY SECRETARY AND SHE'LL WRITE IT DOWN TO US.

>> IF WE HAVE OTHERS FOR CITIZEN INPUT ON THIS ISSUE, YOU CAN COME UP. PICK ONE.

[LAUGHTER]

>> YOU CAN GIVE AFTER YOU SPEAK. IT'S FINE.

[LAUGHTER]

>> 575 MAPLE STREET.

WE ARE THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS TO TED AND SYDNEY,

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AND WE ARE THE NEIGHBORS THAT THEY TALKED TO ABOUT PAINTING THE HOUSE.

WE LOVE THE PINK HOUSE.

THIS IS THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WE NEED TO HAVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOUNG FAMILY, TWO CHILDREN, AND PUTTING MONEY INTO THE COMMUNITY.

WE ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE.

LOVE TO KEEP THE HOUSE FAKE.

SARAH? THIS SARAH NUMBER 2.

[LAUGHTER]

>> MY NAME IS SARAH HAMILTON.

I LIVE AT 7127 MAPLE STREET.

I LOOK DIRECTLY AT THE PINK HOUSE.

I THINK IT'S VERY CHARMING.

INITIALLY, I WASN'T ENTIRELY SURE, BUT I THOUGHT THEY MUST HAVE A VISION FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND SURE ENOUGH, I'VE SEEN THAT COME TO FRUITION.

IT'S A VERY CHARMING HOME.

IT'S NOT HOT PINK, SO WHAT YOU MIGHT ALL BE IMAGINING, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT.

[NOISE] IT'S A VERY SOFT PINK ACCIDENT WITH WHITE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

THEY REALLY DO TAKE CARE OF THEIR HOMES.

FOR THOSE OF US THAT LIVE IN HISTORIC HOMES, IT IS NOT CHEAP.

WE LIVE THERE BY CHOICE.

WE PUT UP WITH ALL THE DRAFT ISSUES AND ALL THE OTHER FURRIES THAT COME CRAWLING TO THE HOUSE, AND WE DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT LIVING IN DOWNTOWN FRISCO.

I COMMEND THEM BECAUSE THEY REALLY TAKE CARE OF THEIR HOME.

THEY CARE ENOUGH TO TAKE THE INITIATIVE TO GET THIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION.

I HAVEN'T EVEN DONE THAT AND THEIR HOUSE IS ABOUT THE SAME AGE.

IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF THEY COULD HAVE THAT AND NOT BE HINDERED BY THE COLOR, BECAUSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND ON THE ORIGINAL COLOR WHEEL THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ASSIGNED TO OTR OTC, THERE IS A LIGHT PINK ON THAT COLOR WHEEL.

I WOULD JUST LOVE TO SEE THE SUPPORT FOR THEM GOING FORWARD BECAUSE THEY ARE GREAT NEIGHBORS, AND THEY ARE SO MUCH THE PEOPLE WE WANT TO HAVE IN DOWNTOWN FRISCO. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?

>> HELLO, AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SPEAK, AND APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO.

I'M HENRY BRIGMAN, AND I LIVE AT 7050 MAPLE STREET.

I CAN SEE THEIR HOUSE FROM OUR LIVING ROOM WINDOWS.

BEAUTIFUL HOME.

THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF EXPENSE TO MAKE IT WHAT IT IS.

OUR OLDER NATION IS A VERY WONDERFUL AND UNIQUE PLACE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ENJOYED SO MUCH WHEN WE MOVED HERE AND BUILT WAS THE UNIQUE VARIETY.

WHEN WE HAVE FAMILY AND FRIENDS COME VISIT, WE LIKE TO JUST DRIVE AROUND AND SHOW THEM THOSE HISTORICAL MARKERS AND STOP AND LET THEM READ.

THE BIGGERSTAFF HOUSE, THAT'S WHERE SENATOR LYNDON JOHNSON AND SAM RAYBURN, THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE USED TO VISIT REGULARLY.

THOSE THINGS ARE SPECIAL.

IN THEIR QUEST TO GET THEIR HOME DESIGNATED AS A HISTORIC SITE, THAT'LL BE ANOTHER WONDERFUL SPOT TO STOP, AND FOR PEOPLE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT FRISCO, WHAT IT WAS LIKE.

I HAVE THE OLD BARN THAT THAT I OWN BEHIND OUR HOUSE.

IT WAS BUILT 130 YEARS AGO.

I BELIEVE IT'S THE OLDEST STANDING STRUCTURE IN FRISCO.

I'M HOPING TO GET THE PAPERWORK TOGETHER TO GET IT ALSO DESIGNATED AS A HISTORIC SITE.

BUT I JUST HOPE SO MUCH THAT YOU CAN APPROVE THEIR DESIRE TO GET THAT SITE DESIGNATED.

THEY'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS, GOOD PEOPLE, AND VERY QUALITY FOLKS TO HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? I'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION.

>> SEEING NONE, MOVE TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THAT PASSES 6-0. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

JOHN, I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, AND JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE DISTINCTION AND THE PROCESSES.

HAD THIS PROPERTY BEEN LOCATED IN THE OTR DISTRICT, WOULD THEY HAVE REQUIRED APPROVAL FOR PAINT COLOR?

>> THE ONLY REASON THAT THEY'RE NOT, YOU SAID IS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ON THE PERFECT GRID THAT YOU'D NORMALLY LIKE TO CUT OFF THESE?

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>> WELL, THEY'RE NOT.

THEIR PROPERTY, THE BASE ZONING IS SINGLE-FAMILY-7 AND NOT OTR.

>> THEY QUALIFY FOR WHAT'S BEFORE US TONIGHT BASED ON OUR ORDINANCES BECAUSE THERE'S NO RESTRICTION ON COLOR TO GET THE DESIGNATION?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> BILL IS CORRECT. IT DOES NOT TECHNICALLY IMPACT OUR DECISION TONIGHT, BUT I DO THINK WE MAYBE SEND A SIGNAL OR SEND DIRECTION BASED ON THE ULTIMATE GOAL, IT SOUNDS LIKE, WHICH IS TO QUALIFY FOR THE TAX CREDIT.

WHERE IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, WHAT WOULD THAT PROCESS BE? THEY HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING SEPARATELY FOR THAT?

>> NO, THEY WON'T GO BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

THEY'LL JUST BE WORKING WITH THE AD HOC COMMITTEE BUT WORKING PRIMARILY THROUGH FINANCE ON THAT.

YOU-ALL WOULD NOT SEE THAT AS FAR AS I KNOW.

>> [NOISE] THIS PROPERTY IS ON ALMOST A DAILY ROUTE FOR ME, WHETHER I'M GOING TO THE GROVE OR OTHER THINGS.

I'VE BEEN SEEING THE BIG GIANT SIGNS IN THEIR FRONT YARD FOR QUITE A WHILE RIGHT NOW.

YOU CAN'T MISS THEM. THEN WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THE AGENDA AGAIN THIS EVENING, I WAS LIKE, I MUST HAVE DRIVEN BY THIS HOUSE 50 TIMES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, IT FEELS LIKE, AND I DON'T REMEMBER NOTICING IT WAS PINK.

BEFORE COUNCIL TONIGHT, I WAS LIKE, I'M GOING TO GO DRIVE AROUND IT.

THEY MAY HAVE THOUGHT I WAS STALKING THEIR HOUSE, PARKED AND LOOKED AT IT.

I WAS LIKE, IT LOOKS PINK, I GUESS.

IT IS VERY SUBTLE, AND I THINK IT'S VERY TASTEFULLY DONE.

I TRIED TO DO MY QUICK RESEARCH AS FAR AS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF PINK HOUSES.

I WAS LIKE, WHY WAS THAT NOT A THING 100 YEARS AGO? JUST MY RUDIMENTARY HISTORICAL RESEARCH IS WHILE IT WAS NOT OVERTLY COMMON, THERE IS HISTORICAL REFERENCES [NOISE] TO FAMOUS PINK HOUSES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND THEY ALL BECAME KNOWN AS THE PINK HOUSE.

I LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING THE PINK HOUSE IN FRISCO.

NOT ONLY AM I SUPPORTIVE OF THE THING BEHIND US TONIGHT, MY PERSONAL DIRECTION TO STAFF IS THAT I HOPE YOU WORK WITH THEM TO GET THEIR TAX CREDIT IN PLACE.

[APPLAUSE] COUNCIL, I TURN IT TO YOU.

>> WHAT HE SAID. [LAUGHTER] IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, I THOUGHT THE PINK WAS PRETTY SUBTLE TOO, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, SINCE THE COLOR HAS NO BEARING.

I'M ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOR OF THIS.

I DON'T KNOW ALL THE REASONS WHY THE SPECIFIC COLORS WERE CHOSEN TO BE IN THAT ORDINANCE, BUT I AGREE WITH JEFF.

I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD REVIEW THAT AND SEE IF THAT PINK REALLY MAKES SENSE OR NOT IN THAT COLOR PALETTE.

>> I WOULD AGREE. I THINK HISTORY SOMETIMES CAN'T ALWAYS FIT NEATLY IN A BOX, AND SO I LOVE THE PINK.

TO MAYOR'S POINT, I ATTEND A CHURCH ON MAIN STREET, AND WE HAVE A PINK HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO THE CHURCH ON MAIN STREET, AND IT WASN'T UNTIL THIS ISSUE CAME UP THAT I REALIZED THAT THAT HOUSE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE CHURCH THAT I BELONG TO IS PINK BECAUSE YOU JUST GET SO USED TO DRIVING PAST.

BUT NOT ONLY AM I SUPPORTIVE, BUT I ALSO LOVE THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT.

WHAT YOU DID SPEAKS VOLUMES.

YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOU'RE MOST IMPACTED BY THIS.

YOUR PROPERTY VALUE IS MOST IMPACTED BY THIS, BUT YOUR WILLINGNESS TO COME OUT AND SPEAK ON BEHALF OF YOUR NEIGHBOR, AND THE COMMUNITY THAT WE SAY WE WANT TO BE IS JUST ABSOLUTELY PROFOUND.

I AM 100% IN SUPPORT OF THIS, AND I WILL DRIVE PAST AND LOOK FORWARD TO ENJOYING YOUR PINK HOUSE AS WELL.

>> JOHN, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.

AS MENTIONED, WE'RE ONLY VOTING ON THE DESIGNATION TONIGHT.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> LATER IS GOING TO BE THE TAX INCENTIVE SIDE OF IT.

IF WE DON'T SEE IT AGAIN, WHAT IS THE PROCESS? IF THIS IS HANDED OVER TO STAFF TO SAY, THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE GIVEN YOU TO FOLLOW, AND IT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, WHAT IS THE NEXT STEPS FOR THEM, OR DO YOU HAVE TO BRING THAT BACK TO US TO CHANGE THE POLICY?

>> I THINK WE WOULD ONLY SEE IT IF THERE WAS A STAFF DENIAL, THEY COULD APPEAL IT, AS MUCH.

>> YES, BEST I CAN TELL AT THIS POINT, BUT I WILL PASS ALONG COUNCIL'S COMMENTS.

>> LET ME ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION RELATED TO THAT.

IF WE WANTED TO UPDATE THE ORDINANCE.

>> WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT RIGHT NOW.

[01:40:01]

I HAVEN'T BROUGHT THAT UP, BUT THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARD IS JUST LIKE 75 PAGES.

WE'RE WORKING TO DOWNSIZE THAT TO AROUND LIKE 20-25 PAGES.

WE'RE ALREADY IN THE PROCESS FOR DOING THAT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WANTS, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO.

BUT PROBABLY HAVE A WORK SESSION HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS TO DISCUSS THAT SO YOU-ALL CAN SEE WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THAT.

>> WHAT?

>> I THINK YOU NEED TO ADD PINK TO IT.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT SAID PINK OR PAINT.

>> NO, PINK PAINT.

>> PINK PAINT.

>> PINK PAINT. WELL, I'M DEFINITELY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.

I DROVE AROUND THE AREA AS WELL, AND I THINK THE BUILDING THAT MISS ANGELA IS TALKING ABOUT IS THIS ONE.

IF YOU CAN SEE ON THE TV, IT'LL BE SHOWING IS VERY PINK, AND THEN THIS IS THE ONE THAT THEY'VE GOT, WHICH IS EVEN LIGHTER PINK THAN THE ONE THAT'S ON MAIN STREET.

IT'S VERY TASTEFULLY DONE.

COLOR IN DOWNTOWN IS A DRAW.

THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THESE INCREDIBLE MURALS THAT BRING PEOPLE INTO A DESTINATION IS WHAT WE'RE CREATING.

YOU'VE CREATED SOMETHING THAT I THINK WILL BE A DESTINATION FOR FOLKS.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME TAKE THEIR SELFIE IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, JUST BE READY.

IT'S A WONDERFUL THING BECAUSE YOU'RE BRINGING PERSONALITY INTO OUR DOWNTOWN, SO I 100% APPROVE OF THIS.

>> NOT NECESSARILY A RELEVANT QUESTION, BUT JUST CURIOUS.

ACTUALLY, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS I'M CURIOUS ABOUT.

FIRST ONE IS, IS THERE A BUSINESS RUN OUT OF THIS HOUSE OR IS IT JUST SOMEBODY'S RESIDENCE?

>> IT'S A RESIDENT.

IF YOU GO FOR A TAX PRESERVATION, IT HAS TO BE OWNER-OCCUPIED.

IT CAN'T BE A BUSINESS.

>> INTERESTING. [NOISE] WELL, I THINK THAT HELPS.

I THINK THAT'S PART OF IT. ARE THOSE PINK AS WELL? [LAUGHTER].

>> [INAUDIBLE].

>> THEN I HAVE TO KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ASKED THIS, AND I ALMOST HOPE THE ANSWER IS YES, BUT IS THIS HOUSE HAUNTED? [LAUGHTER] IS IT HAUNTED? YES.

>> YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO GET PEOPLE TAKING SELFIES IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, START THIS RUMOR THAT IT COULD BE HAUNTED.

IT'S ALSO PINK, SO IT'LL BE EASY TO FIND.

THANKS. IN SUPPORT AS WELL.

WELL DONE, WELL PRESENTED TO HAVE YOUR NEIGHBORS COME OUT AND SHOW SUPPORT.

THAT'S NOT AN EASY THING TO DO, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S ANYTHING CONTROVERSIAL SUCH AS A PINK HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.

WELL DONE. CONGRATULATIONS. YES. ANYONE? I'M NOT SEEING ANYBODY.

IS ANYBODY WEARING PINK OTHER THAN TAMMY? COUNCIL, I WILL LOOK FOR A MOTION.

>> I MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND BY TAMMY. ALL IN FAVOR.

>> PASSES 6-0. THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] ITEM 37 IS CONSIDERED AN ACT UPON ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE,

[Consider and act upon adoption of an Ordinance ordering a General Election to be administered by the Collin County Elections Administrator and the Denton County Elections Administrator on May 3, 2025, for the purpose of electing two members of the Frisco City Council (Place Nos. 2 and 4) to fill expiring terms; designating early voting polling places and hours; designating election day polling places and hours; designating filing deadlines; ordering notices of election to be given as prescribed by law in connection with such election; providing for the appointment of election judges; authorizing the Mayor and City Secretary to take all actions necessary to comply with applicable election laws. (CSO/KM)]

ORDERING A GENERAL ELECTION TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE COLLIN COUNTY ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR AND THE DENTON COUNTY ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR ON MAY 3, 2025 FOR THE PURPOSE OF ELECTING TWO MEMBERS OF THE FRISCO CITY COUNCIL, PLACES NUMBER TWO AND FOUR, TO FILL EXPIRING TERMS, DESIGNATING ELECTION DAY POLLING PLACES AND HOURS, DESIGNATING FILING DEADLINES, ORDERING NOTICES OF ELECTION TO BE GIVEN AS PRESCRIBED BY LAW IN CONNECTION WITH SUCH ELECTION, PROVIDING FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF ELECTION JUDGES, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND CITY SECRETARY TO TAKE ALL ACTIONS NECESSARY TO COMPLY WITH APPLICABLE ELECTION LAWS.

>> MAYOR, COUNCIL, THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS TO CALL THE ANNUAL GENERAL ELECTION FOR MAY 3RD, 2025.

WE HAVE SELECTION WILL BE FOR CITY COUNCIL PLACE 2 AND PLACE 4.

THE PROPOSED POLLING LOCATIONS WILL BE THE SAME AS LAST YEAR WITH THE USE OF FIRE STATION 5 AND 8, THE GROVE AT FRISCO COMMONS, AND COLLIN COLLEGE IN COLLIN COUNTY, AND FIRE STATIONS 4, 06, AND 7, AND DENTON COUNTY GOVERNMENT CENTER WILL BE USED IN DENTON COUNTY, AND THESE LOCATIONS WILL BE FINALIZED BY THE COUNTIES AFTER FEBRUARY 14TH, 2025.

WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE REGARDING THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.

>> WE DO HAVE ONE CITIZEN WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF ITEM 37, BURT THACKER.

>> MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL,

[01:45:01]

I'M ALLOWED TO ADMIT I MADE A MISTAKE.

I READ THAT INCORRECTLY.

I'M PURELY IN FAVOR OF THIS. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE?

>> THAT'S IT FOR THAT ONE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? FOR MOTION.

>> I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 37.

>> SECOND BY TAMMY. ALL IN FAVOR.

>> THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0.

ITEM 38 IS PRESENTATION REGARDING THE PROPOSED FRISCO CENTER FOR THE ARTS.

[Presentation regarding the proposed Frisco Center for the Arts. (CMO/EAH)]

AS OUR PRESENTERS COME UP, I WILL SAY COUNCIL HAS SEEN THIS PRESENTATION MULTIPLE TIMES NOW, BUT WE WANT TO TAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC.

WHEN WE SAW IT IN OUR WORK SESSION ON SATURDAY, I THINK WITH COUNCIL'S QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE IN THE PRESENTATION, I THINK WE SPENT GOING THROUGH IT.

HOPEFULLY, WE DO NOT PLAN TO SPEND ANOTHER FOUR HOURS TONIGHT, BUT I JUST DO WANT THOSE WATCHING THAT WE DO WANT TO GIVE THE VERY DETAILED PRESENTATION AND KNOW THAT COUNCIL HAS REALLY DUG IN THROUGH IT IN A PRIOR VIEWING OF IT.

WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

>> FANTASTIC. THANK YOU, EVERYONE.

GENA BUHLER, PRINCIPAL OF THEATER PROJECTS, JOINED HERE TONIGHT BY ALLISON BAKER FROM TURNER & TOWNSEND HEERY.

AS WE LOOKED AT THIS, WE HAVE GONE IN DEPTH AT THE FRIDAY WINTER WORK SESSION, AND THE GOAL IS REALLY TO STEP THROUGH THIS IN A COUPLE OF KEY WAYS.

PLEASE DO STOP ME IF WE'RE MISSING ANYTHING ALONG THE WAY.

WE WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE LARGE PHASE 2 PLANNING OVERVIEW, FOLLOW UP ON A FEW TOPICS FROM FRIDAY'S CONVERSATION, TOUCH ON THE PROPOSED CITY AND COMMUNITY FUNDING ELEMENTS AND OPPORTUNITY, AND THEN TALK ON SOME POLICY DIRECTIONS AND NEXT STEPS.

JUST TO FRAME EVERYONE AROUND, THIS IS THE FRISCO CENTER FOR THE ARTS, WHICH IS A PROPOSED FACILITY WITH A PROJECT BUDGET THAT WILL RANGE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 300-340 MILLION.

IN THIS NEW WORLD CLASS FACILITY, THE CITY WILL BE THE FACILITY OWNER WITH KEY PARTNERS THAT REALLY FOCUS ON WHAT FRISCO LIKES TO DO IN BRINGING PARTNERS TOGETHER TO MAKE PROJECTS HAPPEN.

ALL OF THESE PARTNERS HAVE BEEN COMING TOGETHER THROUGH PHASE 2, PROSPER ISD AS THE EDUCATIONAL PARTNER, BROADWAY ACROSS AMERICA AND BROADWAY DALLAS, WHO WILL PRESENT THE BROADWAY FRISCO NEW BROADWAY SUBSCRIPTION SERIES, AND A TO BE DETERMINED VENUE OPERATOR THAT THE CITY IS CURRENTLY IN NEGOTIATION WITH, WHO WILL BE THE OPERATOR OF THE FACILITY ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.

WE'RE GOING THROUGH. THE STAR KEEPS MOVING EVERY TIME WE SEE YOU.

WE ARE HERE IN Q1, WHICH IS REALLY THE PHASE 2 PLAN AND FUND RAISING DEVELOPMENT.

WE'RE AIMING TOWARDS GETTING INTO JULY, WHERE THERE'LL BE A LARGE PROJECT PROGRESSION MILESTONE FOR YOU ALL TO HIT.

WITHIN THIS, WE ARE HERE WHERE THERE'S A BALLOT LANGUAGE DEADLINE FOR FEBRUARY 14TH.

WE HAD THE COUNCIL MEETING CHECK IN LAST WEEK.

AS WE CONTINUE FORWARD, IF YOU DIRECT THAT TO HAPPEN, THERE'S A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT DEPENDENCIES AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT WORK THAT'S OVERLAPPING.

ALL OF THIS IS TO SAY, WE'RE RUNNING ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2021, AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK STILL TO CONTINUE FORWARD BEFORE THIS IS AN AUTHORIZED AND REAL PROJECT.

REMINDING EVERYONE WE ARE DEFINITELY STILL IN THE FINAL PLANNING STAGES.

PREVIOUS POLICY DIRECTION, JUST TO TOUCH ON QUICKLY.

THIS SUMMER, WE RIGHT-SIZED THE FACILITY TO 02,800 SEATS OF A BROADWAY CAPABLE LARGE HALL, AND THEN THE 300-400 SEAT COMMUNITY HALL.

THIS WILL BE IN ONE FACILITY ITSELF WITH THAT TOTAL PROJECT COST BETWEEN 300-340 MILLION.

THIS RIGHT-SIZE FACILITY REALLY HAS THE SPACE AND OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY TO USE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SPACES.

THE PARTNERSHIP WITH PROSPER ISD WILL REALLY FOCUS ON A WORKFORCE TRAINING PROGRAM.

IT DID REQUIRE A SHIFT IN SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS OF OPERATIONS AND BUILDING PROGRAM.

BUT WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, IT WASN'T JUST TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF PROSPER, IT WAS REALLY TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF ALL OF THE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

WE GOT THE CONFIRMATION THAT THE DESIRE FOR FIRST CLASS BROADWAY SHOWS AND A LARGE BROADWAY SUBSCRIPTION WAS NECESSARY, BRINGING IN BROADWAY DALLAS AND BAA FOR THAT PRESENTING PARTNER IN THAT NEW SERIES.

THEN REALLY LOOKING AT ALL OPPORTUNITIES FOR OPTIONS IN REGARDS TO POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES WITH THE QUESTION OF, HOW DO WE FIND DIFFERENT SOURCES FOR THAT 300-340 MILLION? THEN LOOKING AT EXPLORATION OF THE FRISCO MODEL, WHICH WE'LL TOUCH ON A LITTLE BIT HERE BRIEFLY, LOOKING AT THE OPERATOR AT-RISK MODEL, REMOVING THE OPERATIONAL DAY TO DAY FROM THE CITY, AND CONTINUING ALL OF THE STUDY WORK AND CONCEPT DESIGN WORK USING EXISTING COMMUNITY AUTHORIZED AND ISSUED BONDS FOR THIS PHASE OF WORK.

TODAY, WE ARE LOOKING FOR CONTINUED FEEDBACK IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PLACES, AND I'LL LET E. A. QUICKLY TOUCH ON JUST THIS COMMUNITY FUNDING PIECE.

>> YEAH. AGAIN, WE GOT SOME GREAT FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL DURING THE WINTER WORK SESSION LAST WEEK.

AS WE MENTIONED THEN, THAT FEEDBACK PREDICATED THE AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT,

[01:50:02]

WHICH IS THE COMMUNITY AUTHORIZATION OF THE TWO BALLOT ITEMS, WHICH WE'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL A LITTLE BIT LATER.

BUT THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY POLICY DIRECTION ITEM THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTLY TODAY THAT YOU'LL BE VOTING ON, AND THAT'LL BE THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

>> THE VERY CENTRAL TO THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN THE IMPACT THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON THE COMMUNITY.

JUST A FEW OVERVIEW REMINDERS FROM PAST STUDY WORK.

IN THAT LARGE HALL, WHILE WE HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT BROADWAY, BROADWAY IS REALLY ONLY ABOUT 15% OF THE DAILY USAGE THAT COMES INTO THE FULL YEAR.

IN ADDITION, THERE WILL BE A DIVERSE PROGRAMMING OPPORTUNITY FOR WHAT WE CALL A BALANCED BOOKING STRATEGY THAT LOOKS AT POPULAR MUSIC, LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, COMMUNITY EVENTS, FOR-PROFIT EVENTS, AND REALLY SOME ROOM FOR GROWTH OVER TIME.

THE FOCUS OF THE DESIGN OF THE SPACE WILL BE NOT ONLY TO FILL THE 2,800 SEATS, BUT ALSO TO FILL A GAP WITHIN 1,000-1,200 SEATS, REALLY LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN FLEXIBILITY OF THE SPACE.

THEN THE COMMUNITY HALL, WHICH OUR STUDY HAS FORECASTED WILL BE THE MOST QUICKLY UTILIZED BY EVERYONE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY ITSELF.

THIS WILL BE PROSPER ISD'S PREDOMINANT USE, AND THEN WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO LOOK AT THE BOOKING CALENDARS AND THE NEEDS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT PROSPER HAS FORECAST THERE.

WE CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY, THROUGH THE STUDY WORK, THAT EVERYONE WILL BE ABLE TO FIND A SPACE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY HALL.

PROSPER ISD WILL HAVE PREDOMINANT AND FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL INTO THAT SPACE, AND THEN IT'LL REALLY BE UP TO THE OPERATOR TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO LAYER EVERYONE ELSE'S NEEDS IN, AND THAT REALLY DID LEAD US INTO SOME OF THE CRITERIA FOR THAT OPERATOR SELECTION AND BEING ABLE TO FIND AN OPERATOR WHO WANTS TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE ALL OF THOSE DATES WORK.

AS WE LOOK BRIEFLY HERE AT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF CONSTRUCTION, SOME OF THESE NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN FORECAST BY KEEN INDEPENDENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS REALLY SHOW THAT THERE WOULD BE OVER 510 MILLION OF ECONOMIC IMPACT JUST FROM THE CONSTRUCTION ALONE IN COLLIN AND DENTON COUNTY.

THEN THE IMPACT OF THE FACILITY IS REALLY LOOKING TO POTENTIALLY TRIPLE THIS.

QUICKLY TOUCHING ON THIS.

THERE WAS A AE 6 STUDY THAT GOES OUT.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT FRISCO ARTS COMMISSION TO SAY, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF ARTS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND WHAT'S THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THAT TODAY? WE WERE THEN ABLE TO FORECAST THAT FORWARD USING THE IN PLANNED SOFTWARE TO REALLY LOOK AT THE BUSINESS MODEL THAT WAS PRODUCED TO SAY, IF THIS FACILITY WOULD OPEN, IT COULD TRIPLE THIS IMPACT TO OVER $60 MILLION.

THAT IS $60 MILLION IN ANNUAL IMPACT THERE THAT COMES DOWN INTO IT.

NOT ONLY WOULD THIS FACILITY BRING IN ECONOMIC IMPACT IN JOBS WHILE IT'S BEING BUILT, BUT WE DO TRULY SEE THESE AS CONTINUED CATALYSTS FOR ECONOMIC GENERATION YEAR OVER YEAR.

FOCUSING ON THIS AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, THIS REALLY FITS IN WITHIN THOSE TERMS. AS WE LOOK AT THE BENCHMARKING AND HOW THIS HAPPENS NATIONALLY ACROSS DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, THIS REALLY BECOMES AN ENCOURAGING NEW INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY, LOOKING AT WHERE THE SITE IS AND HOW THAT IMPACTS FOOT TRAFFIC, NIGHTTIME, DWELL TIME, HOTELS, ALL OF THESE PIECES COMING IN, AND REALLY CREATING TOURISM.

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, WITH THIS THAT COMES DOWN TO A LOT OF THESE FRISCO CONVERSATIONS, IS THIS IDEA OF SERVING AS A SENSE OF PRIDE FOR THE RESIDENTS AND BEING ABLE TO SAY, FRISCO HAS A CENTER FOR THE ARTS, AND IT HAS BEEN THIS BOOM AND CATALYST TO WHAT LIFE IS HERE WITHIN FRISCO.

WE'RE GOING TO SWITCH NOW INTO SOME OF OUR DEPENDENCIES.

AS A REMINDER, AS WE'VE COME BACK TO YOU MEETING AFTER MEETING, THERE'S A DISCUSSION OF WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.

HOW DO PIECES OVERLAP AND WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BEFORE SOMETHING COULD POTENTIALLY AUTHORIZE FORWARD? A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ON ARE THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF DEPENDENCIES.

FUNDRAISING, COMMUNITY, BUDGET PARTNERS, AND OPERATOR, MAKING SURE ALL OF THESE PIECES SUCCESSFULLY COME TOGETHER TO GIVE YOU THE CONFIDENCE TO DECIDE SHOULD THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD OR NOT.

TONIGHT, WE WANT TO TALK ON A COUPLE OF PIECES THAT ARE RELATED TO FUND RAISING AND BUDGET.

WE'RE GOING TO COVER THOSE.

WE COVERED A FEW OF THE REST OF THE DEPENDENCIES AT THE COUNCIL MEETING ON FRIDAY.

LOOKING AT FUNDRAISING, THAT IS THE BIGGEST GAP RIGHT NOW AND THE BIGGEST QUESTION.

WHERE DO WE COME UP WITH $300-$340 MILLION? CSL, WHO IS A PART OF THE LEGENDS ORGANIZATION LOCALLY, CAME IN TO DO A VERIFICATION STUDY ON SOME OF THE EARLIER FUNDING WORK THAT HAD BEEN DONE TO REALLY ASSESS WHAT CAN COME FROM PRIVATE AND INDIVIDUAL GIFTS.

THIS IS REALLY LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OF 100-111 MILLION GROSS FOR A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN.

THEY FEEL THAT THIS IS A VIABLE FEASIBLE AMOUNT.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS A GROSS AMOUNT.

WE DID NOT INCLUDE ANY COST FOR CAPITAL CAMPAIGN MANAGEMENT IN THE CURRENT PROJECT BUDGET.

WE WOULD NEED TO BACK OUT A PERCENTAGE OF THIS TO GET DOWN TO A NET AMOUNT.

FOR THE COURSE OF THIS CONVERSATION, WE'RE GOING TO REALLY LOOK AT ABOUT 100 MILLION NET BEING ABLE TO COME FROM THIS CAPITAL CAMPAIGN.

50-60% THEY BELIEVE WILL COME FROM INDIVIDUAL GIVING.

THIS IS EVERYTHING FROM MAJOR NAMING GIFTS FOR THE FACILITY FOR EACH OF

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THE DIFFERENT SPACES DOWN TO THE GRASSROOTS GIFTS THAT CAN COME FROM THE COMMUNITY DAY IN AND DAY OUT, REALLY THE IDEA THAT EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY COULD HELP TO SUPPORT BUILDING THIS COMMUNITY ASSET.

THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS, ABOUT 40-50%, SO ROUGHLY 50 MILLION, WOULD COME FROM CORPORATE GIFTS.

SOME OF THE MAJOR CORPORATIONS WHO ARE HERE, SOME OF THEM WHO HAVE PHILANTHROPIC FOUNDATIONS, WOULD ALSO COME IN TO SUPPORT THIS PIECE OF IT.

THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US BECAUSE AS WE LOOK AT THE PROJECT CASH FLOW, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THEN, WHERE DO THESE PLEDGES COME IN? WHEN DOES CASH ACTUALIZE? WE'RE GOING TO GET A PLEDGE.

SOMEONE'S GOING TO COME IN TO SAY, YES, I'M IN A PLEDGE TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, BUT THAT CASH ISN'T ACTUALLY ACTUALIZED IN THAT PLEDGE.

IT REALLY TRICKLES IN OVER TIME.

THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS IS ABOUT 85% OF THE PLEDGES THAT ARE AMASSED ACTUALLY CONVERT INTO REAL CASH.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT A QUALIFIED CAPITAL CAMPAIGN MANAGER CAN COME IN TO FIND ABOVE THAT 111 METER SO THAT WE CAN REALLY GET ACTUALIZED WHAT YOU NEED FOR THIS PROJECT BUDGET.

THE BIGGEST HURDLE, I WOULD SAY, THAT HAS COME UP WITH CSL IS LOOKING AT THE TIMING AND THE FUNDING IS A LOT OF THESE FOLKS, INCLUDING THE CORPORATE DONATIONS, WANT THIS PROJECT TO BE FUNDED AND AUTHORIZED BY THE CITY, TO SAY, THIS IS A REAL PROJECT, IT'S MOVING FORWARD, WE'VE DONE OUR PART, NOW IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO CONTRIBUTE YOUR PIECE OF THIS.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG PIECE OF THIS.

CSL IS CONFIDENT THAT THERE IS THIS MONEY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT CAN BE RAISED.

THEY'RE SAYING THERE'S A CONTINGENCY UPON THIS BEING AN ACTUAL PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD THAT WILL ALLOW THOSE PLEDGES TO COME IN WITHIN THAT.

THAT'LL START WITH YOUR MAJOR GIFTS.

YOU'LL BE LOOKING FOR AMBASSADORS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO SAY, WE BELIEVE IN THIS, THIS IS A MAJOR GIFT, AND THEN THE REST OF IT WILL EBB AND FLOW OVER THE TIME OF THE PROJECT.

RIGHT NOW, YOUR PROJECT SCHEDULE IS SHOWING THAT YOU ARE AIMING TO OPEN THE FACILITY BY 2030.

YOU'LL SEE AN INITIAL BOOM COMING IN, AND THEN IT'LL TRICKLE DOWN, AND THEN IT'LL BOOM BACK UP AGAIN.

AS WE TALK ABOUT CASH FLOW, THIS BECOMES REALLY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THE FUNDING SOURCES CAN COME FROM, SO THAT YOU DON'T EVER GET TO A POINT AT WHICH YOU HAVE TO PAUSE THE PROJECT, PAUSE CONSTRUCTION AS YOU WAIT FOR FUNDS TO COME.

THAT'LL BE THOSE PEAKS AND VALLEYS AS THAT COMES ALONG.

I'M GOING TO BRING ALLISON UP TO REALLY TALK ABOUT SOME EXCITING PIECES OF SITE SELECTION.

I KNOW EVERYONE'S BEEN ASKING US, WHERE IS THE SITE AND HOW DOES THIS COME ALONG? I'M GOING TOSS IT TO ALLISON REAL QUICK TO WALK YOU THROUGH IT.

>> THANKS, GENA. AS MENTIONED, I AM ALLISON BAKER WITH TURNER & TOWNSEND HEERY.

WHENEVER WE ALIGNED WITH PROSPER ISD, THAT MEANT THAT WE NEEDED TO SHIFT OUR FOCUS FOR SITE A BIT AND REALLY LOOK AT AREAS THAT WERE CO LOCATED WITH THE CITY OF FRISCO AND PROSPER ISD TOGETHER.

DURING THAT EVALUATION, WE FOUND A PRETTY LARGE SWATH OF PROPERTY, BUT 40 ACRES OF THAT LAND WERE ACTUALLY OWNED BY FRISCO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

WE HONED IN ON THAT AREA.

AS WE FOCUS DOWN FURTHER, WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE FOCUSING OUR LOCATION ON AN AREA THAT IS CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE TO GET TO, AND SO THAT REALLY LED US TO LOOK AT THE DNT IN 380, KNOWING THAT AS THIS AREA CONTINUES TO GROW, NORTH TEXAS CONTINUES TO GROW, A LOT OF THAT FOCUS HAS GONE FURTHER NORTH.

IF YOU'LL SEE, THERE'S THIS L-SHAPED PROPERTY THERE, THAT IS OUR PRIMARY FOCUS FOR SITE.

WHAT IS WONDERFUL ABOUT THIS IS THAT YOU CAN SEE JUST TO THE WEST, THERE IS A LARGE DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH AROUND THIS PERFORMING ART CENTER AND REALLY ALLOW THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE ACCESS TO AMENITIES, PARKING, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL, HOTEL, ETC.

THAT'S FURTHER IMPACTING THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.

ONE LAST SLIDE HERE.

THE DFFW.

YOU CAN SEE THE FOCUS.

THIS HEAT MAP HAS SHOWN THAT THIS AREA CONTINUES TO GROW.

WHILE THIS MAP IS ACTUALLY A BIT AGED, WE KNOW THAT THE GROWTH HAS JUST CONTINUED IN THE DFFW TOWARDS FRISCO.

AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR L-SHAPED SITE THERE REALLY IS IN THE CENTER OF THIS GROWTH AREA.

>> THE OTHER THING TO TALK ABOUT IS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS BEING A 50-YEAR PLAN FOR THE COMMUNITY IS THINKING ABOUT WHERE THE OTHER PIECES OF GROWTH WITHIN THE ECOSYSTEM OF VENUES MAY BE COMING FROM.

THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE TO POINT OUT ON THIS MAP THAT IS A PLANNED FACILITY IS THE NEW SUNSET AMPHITHEATER THAT MCKINNEY IS PLANNING TO BUILD.

IT'S 20,000 SEATS. WE'VE SEEN THIS, AND WE'VE BENCHMARKED IT FROM THEIR COLORADO SPRINGS FACILITY THAT'S RECENTLY OPENED.

IN OUR PROGRAMMING ANALYSIS AND IN OUR BUSINESS ANALYSIS, WE'VE LOOKED BACK TO REALLY CONFIRM THAT WHILE THERE WILL BE A DRAW AND NOISE TO ANOTHER COMMERCIAL MUSIC VENUE THAT'S IN THE REGION,

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THE TYPES OF ARTISTS THAT WOULD PERFORM IN A 20,000 SEAT FACILITY WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHO YOU WOULD SEE INDOOR AT THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS.

IT'LL BE THE SAME LEVEL OF COMPETITION THAT WE'VE SEEN AND OUTLINED WITH THE CASINOS, BUT IT WAS NOT ANYTHING THAT CAUSED US CONCERN AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT AS THAT WAS RECENTLY ANNOUNCED.

>> WHAT WE'RE CONTINUING FORWARD HERE, AND WE INTRODUCED THE CONCEPT DESIGN TEAM WITH PELLY CLARK AND PARTNERS ON FRIDAY.

WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THIS MULTI-VENUE FACILITY RIGHT SIZING, BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT THE ECOSYSTEM OF WHAT EXISTS TODAY AND WHAT WILL EXIST FOR THE CITIZENS OF FRISCO AND THE REGION TO SAY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SOLVES ONE FOCUS ISSUE HERE.

IT IS NOT THE END ALL B ALL FOR EVERYTHING FOR ARTS AND CULTURE IN THE COMMUNITY.

THIS IS A CONTINUED CONVERSATION OF HOW THE BLACK BOX IS BEING USED.

IT WILL BE A RELIEF VALVE FROM THE BLACK BOX FOR FOLKS TO COME INTO THE COMMUNITY HALL, FROM FOLKS GOING INTO THE COMMUNITY HALL INTO THE LARGE HALL.

HOW CAN ARTS AND CULTURE AND VISUAL ARTS ALL BE INCORPORATED WITHIN THE FACILITY? WHAT ARE CLASSROOM AREAS AND TEACHING OPPORTUNITIES ACROSS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY? ALL OF THAT REALLY COMES INTO THIS DESIGN AND THINKING ABOUT THE ECOSYSTEM IN ITSELF.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE KEY VENUE ELEMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY HALL.

THIS MAINTAINS THE FLEXIBILITY OF UP TO 400 SEATS, REALLY A CREATIVE SPACE FOR ALL TYPES AND ART FORMS THAT CAN COME IN AND REALLY DESIGNED WITH EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES IN MIND.

THE BUDGET ITSELF IS BEING UPDATED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE CHOICES ARE GOOD FOR COMMUNITY USER GROUPS, AS WELL AS THE STUDENTS WHO WILL BE THERE AS A PART OF THE WORKFORCE TRAINING PROGRAM.

THE LARGE HALL HAS REALLY BEEN FOCUSED ON, HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS BROADWAY CAPABLE? IN ORDER TO MAKE IT BROADWAY CAPABLE, WE'RE REALLY HONESTLY THINKING ABOUT THE FINANCIAL MODEL THAT COMES DOWN INTO IT.

BROADWAY HALLS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THE EASIER IT IS TO GET YOUR SHOW IN AND GET YOUR SHOW OUT, THE MORE PROFITABLE THAT CAN BE FOR THE COMMUNITY IN THAT.

ALL OF THE BELLS AND WHISTLES THAT WERE ASSUMED IN THIS REMAIN WITHIN THE LARGE ALL CONCEPT IN ITSELF.

THIS NOW TAKES US REALLY INTO THE FUNDING ANALYSIS OF THE PROJECT.

REMINDING EVERYONE THAT THE PROJECT BUDGET ITSELF IS THE CONSTRUCTION COST, AS WELL AS ALL OF OUR SOFT COSTS THAT LEAD INTO THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY BEING VIABLE IN ITSELF.

WE'VE STARTED WITH THIS CONCEPT OF THIS IS ALL A LITTLE BIT OF A PUZZLE PIECE, AS IT COMES DOWN TO WHO CAN PAY FOR WHAT PIECE OF THIS? HOW ARE WE BRINGING TOGETHER PUBLIC FUNDING, PRIVATE FUNDING, COMMUNITY FUNDING WITHIN THIS? WE'VE BEEN STARTING TO USE THIS GRAPHIC AND THIS ANALOGY OF IT'S ALL A PIECE OF A PUZZLE.

THIS REALLY IS REPRESENTING HERE WHAT YOU SAW WITH YOUR INDIVIDUAL AND YOUR CORPORATE GIFTS BEING ONE HALF OF THE PUZZLE PIECE COMING TOGETHER.

AGAIN, TOUCHING ON THAT PLEDGE CYCLE IS REALLY PAID OUT OVER 4-5 YEARS.

WE HAVE THE COMMITMENT FROM PROSPER ISD CURRENTLY AT $100 MILLION.

FOR ADDING THOSE TWO TOGETHER, WE'RE AT ABOUT $200 MILLION OF THAT TARGETED 300 OR 340 MILLION.

ONCE WE START LOOKING AT CASH FLOW AND THE NEED TO KEEP THE PROJECT ROLLING, THIS IS WHERE WE'VE COME UP WITH THE FUNDING GAP WOULD BE A CITY BOND ESTIMATE NOT TO EXCEED 160 MILLION IN THAT FUNDING GAP PIECE OF IT.

WHAT THIS MEANS IS THIS HELPS TO ALLOW THE DIFFERENT FUNDING MECHANISMS TO COME IN WHILE REALLY LOOKING AT THAT CASH FLOW THAT WE'LL STEP IN.

I'M GOING TO LET EA TOUCH TO A COUPLE OF THESE PIECES WITHIN HOW THE DEBT WOULD BE ISSUED AND WHAT THOSE PIECES MEAN.

BUT I THINK THE CLEAR THING REALLY HERE TO LOOK AT IS THIS FUNDING GAP THAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THE CITY IS NOT A NEW PROPERTY TAX FUND.

THIS IS REALLY TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THIS AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

I'LL LET EA GO INTO THIS FOURTH PUZZLE PIECE A BIT FURTHER.

>> THANK YOU, JENNA. YES, I CAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAIL AS TO WHAT DERIVES ESSENTIALLY THE PAYMENT STRUCTURE FOR THAT 160 MILLION, WHICH AGAIN IS AUTHORIZATION.

IT'S NOT ISSUANCE.

IT'S SIMPLY THE VOTERS AUTHORIZING THE COUNCIL TO MAKE FUTURE ISSUANCE DECISIONS SHOULD THEY NEED TO AGAIN, TO FILL IN THAT GAP.

REALLY, IT'S PROPOSED THAT THERE ARE THREE KEY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MECHANISMS WHICH ARE WELL USED IN THE CITY OF FRISCO FOR MOST OF THE OTHER BIG PROJECTS THAT YOU SEE AROUND THE COMMUNITY, PGA, STAR, FORD CENTER, ETC.

THAT'S THE USE OF CDC DOLLARS AT 45 MILLION EDC DOLLARS AT 75 MILLION AND TIRZ1, WHICH IS A COMBINATION OF SALE TAX AND PROPERTY TAX.

AGAIN, PROPERTY TAX ONLY ON COMMERCIAL VALUES THAT ARE OUT THERE IN THE WAY THAT IT'S STRUCTURED IN FRISCO AT 40 MILLION.

THAT GIVES YOU THE COMBINED TOTAL.

AGAIN, THESE AREN'T CASH RESERVES BEING SHIFTED OVER.

THIS IS ESSENTIALLY DEBT SERVICE.

THIS WILL BE ONGOING DEBT SERVICE TO SUPPORT ANY DEBT THAT THE COUNCIL ISSUES AFTER BEING AUTHORIZED BY THE COMMUNITY.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PUZZLE PIECE? THANK YOU.

>> WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT HOW DO WE BUILD THE FACILITY, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO FORGET ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN IMPORTANT

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SINCE THE BEGINNING OF WHO WILL OPERATE THE FACILITY.

ONE OF THE KEY DEPENDENCIES THAT YOU ALL BROUGHT FORWARD WAS THIS IDEA OF THE FRISCO MODEL, AND HOW HAS THE FRISCO MODEL EXISTED IN SOME OF THE VENUES THAT EA JUST MENTIONED, AND HOW CAN WE APPLY THAT FRISCO MODEL TO HOW THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS WOULD BE OPERATED.

AS WE REALLY TOUCH INTO THIS, AND WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT THESE COMPARISONS, WE HAVE ISSUED A RFP THAT THE CITY HAS GONE THROUGH AND SEARCH FOR A POTENTIAL VENUE OPERATOR.

THE KEY POINTS IN THIS WERE TO FIND A QUALIFIED AND PROVEN OPERATOR WHO CAN COME IN TO MOST CLOSELY MEET THE FRISCO MODEL, WHILE ALSO STILL BEING ABLE TO DELIVER ON EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN ENVISIONED HERE IS IMPORTANT.

EVERYTHING FROM BRINGING MAJOR TOURING BROADWAY IN TO RUNNING A WORKFORCE TRAINING PROGRAM AND BEING OPEN AND AFFORDABLE, AND THE ABILITY TO WORK AS A COMMUNITY PARTNER AND NOT JUST A COMMERCIAL ENTITY.

IT WAS A BIT OF A CHALLENGE OUT TO THE INDUSTRY.

WE HAVE NEGOTIATIONS RIGHT NOW ON BEHALF OF THE CITY WITH THE TOP CANDIDATE THAT CAME THROUGH THAT RFP PROCESS, AND WE REALLY TOUCHED ON THIS MODIFIED FRISCO MODEL FOR THE FCFA.

THIS IS AN ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT BASED FACILITY, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN SPORTS.

IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED HERE AS THE BUSINESS FOCUS.

THE CURRENT FRISCO MODEL REALLY IS A BOTTOM LINE DRIVEN MODEL FROM THAT OPERATOR.

THE BUSINESS FOCUS FOR THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS IS GOING TO NEED TO BE COMMUNITY DRIVEN.

BEING COMMUNITY DRIVEN IS ECONOMIC IMPACT DRIVEN, AND IT'S ALSO BOTTOM LINE DRIVEN BUT IN MORE OF A FISCALLY FINANCIAL SUSTAINABLE WAY, AND LESS OF WE OPEN OUR DOORS TO MAKE MONEY SITUATION.

THAT LEADS US TO LOOK AT WHAT THE BUSINESS MODEL IS, AND COME DOWN HERE WHERE WE'RE SAYING, WE ASKED FOR A CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION AS A PIECE OF THIS TO SAY, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN BEING A PART OF THIS, PLEASE STEP UP AND PUT SOME DOLLARS IN.

THIS IS COMING IN AS A MODERATE CAPITAL RAISE, WHICH IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WHERE IT USUALLY IS A MAJOR CAPITAL RAISE, WHERE THAT PRIVATE PARTNER IS THEN RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OF THE OVERRUNS AFTER YOUR ESTABLISHED BASE.

IN YOUR MODIFIED FRISCO MODEL, THIS IS REALLY COMING IN TO SAY, WE'LL CONTRIBUTE TO THE CAPITAL, BUT ONLY A VERY SMALL PIECE OF THAT.

IT ALSO COMES DOWN INTO THAT THE LAND IS EDC AND CITY OWNED ADJACENT PROPERTY.

AS WE COME INTO THIS AS WELL, THE PRIVATE PARTNER WOULD OPERATE WITH LIMITED ONGOING OPERATIONAL FUNDING FROM THE CITY.

THE CITY NEEDS TO SUPPORT COMMUNITY ACCESS AND AFFORDABLE RATES, AS WELL AS THE START UP COST.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THIS COMMUNITY DOES NOT HAVE A CURRENT BROADWAY SUBSCRIPTION SERIES.

THERE ARE NOT RESIDENT COMPANIES WHO ARE READY TO MOVE IN TOMORROW.

THIS IDEA OF WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR THIS TO BE SUCCESSFUL? IT TAKES A FEW YEARS.

THOSE NUMBERS WE HAVE LOOKED AT OVER TIME AS WE'VE LOOKED DEEPER INTO THAT OPERATIONAL MODEL.

THOSE WERE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WERE REALLY ASKING OF THE OPERATORS TO SAY, HOW CLOSELY CAN YOU FIT THIS? STAFF WILL BE COMING BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS THAT SHOW HOW CLOSELY THIS CAN COME DOWN, BUT WE REALLY THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT HERE TO FRAME OUT THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO ACHIEVE FULLY THE FRISCO MODEL.

THIS IS A MODIFIED FRISCO MODEL SPECIFIC FOR THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS.

I'LL PAUSE THERE JUST FOR A SECOND TO SEE IF WES OR EA WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE IN THERE WITH THAT DEFINITION.

>> I THINK THE MAIN THING IS THAT INSTEAD OF A PRIVATE PARTNER COMMITTING TO ANY OVERAGES ON THE CONSTRUCTION, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED ANOTHER WAY.

THERE WON'T BE A PRIVATE PARTNER THAT ALSO OPERATES IT THAT DOES THAT.

PART OF THE EQUATION WE HAVE TO SOLVE FOR IS HOW THAT ANY OVERAGES RELATED TO THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT COULD BE FUNDED OUT OF PRIVATE DONATIONS.

THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO TRADITIONAL FRISCO MODEL AND THIS ONE.

THE OTHER IS THAT WHILE WE ARE TRYING TO ESTABLISH THIS AS A OPERATOR AT RISK MODEL, THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME HELP ON GETTING IT STARTED UP.

AGAIN, THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE TRADITIONAL FRISCO MODEL.

BOTH WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE DIFFERENCES AND UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE TO BE SOLVED FOR IN ORDER FOR EVERYBODY TO BE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD.

>> THANK YOU. WES. ONE OTHER DIFFERENCE YOU MENTIONED ON FRIDAY, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS VERY IMPORTANT, WHICH IS OUR OTHER PUBLIC PRIVATE MODELS, OUR PARTNERS BENEFITED FROM THE ACCRUED VALUE ON THEIR ADJACENT COMMERCIAL SPACES BECAUSE OF THE ASSET GOING IN.

THIS IS A UNIQUE CASE WHERE THE FRISCO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION ACTUALLY OWNS THE SURROUNDING LAND, SO THEY WILL BE THE ONES THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM THE INCREASE IN VALUE BECAUSE OF THE ASSET.

>> WES, I THINK YOU MENTIONED AT THE WORK SESSION ALSO, BUT ONE OF THE TOOLS THAT WE USE TO HELP CONTROL COSTS IS CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK CONTRACTS, WHICH ASSIST WITH KEEPING THINGS ON TIME.

>> THE WAY WE PROCURE,

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SO THE SERVICES FOR THAT AND GETTING A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE, ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF METHODS WILL BE THINGS THAT WE PURSUE IN ORDER TO CONTROL THAT COST.

>> A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING IS, HOW DO WE DESIGN AND BUILD THIS BUILDING TO THE 300 MILLION? THEN IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT A DONOR MAY COME TO SAY, THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING EQUIPMENT, THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING FURNISHINGS, THEN THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER SORT OF CREEPS UP, AND WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO TRY TO DO THAT MANAGEMENT NOW EARLY ON.

YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT WE BROUGHT IN A COST CONSULTANT WHO IS SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON PERFORMING ARTS COST CONSULTING.

COST PLUS COST CONSULTING HAS BEEN HERE SINCE 2023 WITH US, COSTING ALONG THE WAY.

WE HAVE A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE COSTING MODEL THAT'S HERE NOW THAT IS GUIDING WHAT THE CONCEPT DESIGN PROCESS DOES.

WHEN THE DESIGN TEAM CAN GET EXCITED ABOUT A NEW CONCEPT OR HOW THIS NOW FITS ONTO THE SITE, WE PLUG THAT BACK INTO THE COSTING MODEL NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE GOOD IDEAS ARE NOT INSTANTLY MAKING THE BUDGET OVERRUN, SO THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT BUDGET IN MIND BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE IS NO ONE TO COVER THOSE OVERRUNS.

IT'S REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO BE ABOUT GETTING THIS PROJECT DONE ON TIME AND ON BUDGET.

AS WE CONTINUE INTO THIS, I WANT ALLISON JUST TO TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE THE DOLLARS COME IN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS LARGE PROJECT, AND THEN HOW THAT GOES TO CASH FLOW, KNOWING THAT THAT RELATES TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THAT FUNDING MECHANISM TO SUPPORT.

>> AS WE DISCUSSED ON FRIDAY, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT MULTIPLE PHASES.

WHENEVER WE'RE DESIGNING THESE, WHENEVER WE'RE BUILDING THESE, THEY COME AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT A CONCEPT DESIGN AND GOING BACK TO RIGHT SIZING THIS FACILITY.

WE'RE REALLY MAKING SURE THAT AS WE LOOK AT THIS SITE, AND AS WE LOOK AT THIS BUILDING THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING HOW THIS ACTUALLY WILL FIT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE CHECKING THAT TO OUR BUDGET AT EVERY POINT.

ONCE WE COMPLETE THIS, THE TRADITIONAL METHOD WOULD BE GOING INTO SCHEMATIC DESIGN, THEN TO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, AND YOU CAN SEE THE DURATIONS THERE ABOUT FOUR MONTHS, ABOUT FIVE MONTHS.

CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS WOULD TAKE ABOUT SIX MONTHS.

THEN WE WOULD GO INTO BIDDING AND CONSTRUCTION.

THE TOTAL PROJECT COST AT THAT POINT, IF WE'RE REALLY LOOK IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUDGET THERE IS AROUND 200 MILLION, AND YOU CAN SEE THE ESTIMATED PROJECT COSTS THERE.

WHY THIS MATTERS IS LOOKING AT OUR CASH FLOW PROJECTIONS.

IF YOU'LL LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, YOU CAN SEE FUNDED BY CURRENT BOND FUNDING.

WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO THERE IS THE 2018 BOND FUNDS THAT WERE DEDICATED TO THE PERFORMING ART CENTER.

NOW, NONE OF THAT WILL BE SPENT WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION OF CONTRACTS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF BY STAFF AND COUNSEL.

MOVING FORWARD, YOU CAN SEE WE ARE OCTOBER OR SO FOR BEGINNING SDS, MOVING INTO DDS, SOMEWHERE IN 26, THE EARLY PART OF 26, MOVING INTO CONSTRUCTION.

>> REAL QUICK. I'M SORRY. WHAT'S AN SD AND A DD

>> YES. SCHEMATIC DESIGN IS AN SD, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT IS YOUR DD, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ARE CDS, AND THEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE OUR LITTLE CONSTRUCTION WORKER THERE, WHICH IS WHEN CONSTRUCTION WOULD START.

WHAT YOU CAN SEE ALONG THE BOTTOM THERE IS YOUR CUMULATIVE NUMBER OBVIOUSLY CONTINUES TO GROW.

BUT YOUR CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS AND YOUR DESIGN DOLLARS REALLY REMAIN MONTHLY.

THE OUTPUT OF CASH IS NOT IMMEDIATE.

IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE PACED OUT OVER TIME.

>> JUST REAL QUICKLY, A REMINDER.

>> PLEASE STEP OUT TO THE LOBBY.

IT'S VERY DISRUPTIVE FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.

>> JUST REAL QUICKLY, REMINDER FROM FRIDAY, AGAIN, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE PUT THIS CASH FLOW PROJECTION ON HERE IS THAT IT DOES PROVIDE HOPEFULLY, A VISUAL EXAMPLE THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE DECISION POINTS THAT COUNCIL WILL HAVE ALONG THE WAY.

OBVIOUSLY, THE COMMUNITY AUTHORIZATION OFF SCREEN OF THIS IN MAY OF 25 IS A CRITICAL ONE THAT CERTAINLY WILL CONTINUE TO GUIDE THE PROJECT.

THE PROJECT WON'T HAPPEN IF THAT'S NOT SUCCESSFUL.

HOWEVER, EVEN AFTER THAT, THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL MILESTONES ALONG THE WAY BASED OFF OF PLEDGES, BASED OFF OF CASH THAT COMES IN FROM PRIVATE FUND RAISING, AND COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO EVALUATE THOSE AT EVERY STEP OF THE DESIGN PROCESS AND EVENTUALLY CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.

I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT.

>> IF I MAY, JUST ADD TO THAT.

IT'S NOT ONLY THAT THE COUNCIL WILL NEED TO CHIME IN.

THERE WILL BE IMPORTANT DECISIONS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE THAT WILL SERVE AS GUARD RAILS IN RELATION TO HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

IF THE COUNCIL IS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH HAVING THE DEBT SALE TAKE PLACE UNTIL THERE'S A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DOLLARS

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RAISED THROUGH CONTRIBUTIONS OR WHAT'S THE TERM? PLEDGES. THANK YOU.

PLEDGES, THEN THAT HAS TO BE DISCUSSED AND DECIDED BEFORE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

I THINK THE IMPORTANT POINT HERE IS THAT THERE ARE BUILT INTO THE PROCESS, THE OPTION AND THE OPPORTUNITY, AND THE NECESSITY FOR THE COUNCIL TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD, AND THOSE NEED TO BE THEN CLEARLY COMMUNICATED TO THE COMMUNITY SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENING.

>> JUST TO ADD INTO THAT, WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE IS WITHIN THE PHASE 2 PLANNING THAT YOU'VE AUTHORIZED THROUGH UNTIL JULY, THAT REALLY FOCUSED ON THIS IDEA OF IF WE'RE ABLE TO GO FOR COMMUNITY AUTHORIZATION IN MAY, BEING ABLE TO SAY TO THE COMMUNITY, DO YOU SUPPORT THAT AND THEN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AND CHANGES FOLLOWING THAT WITHIN IT? THAT'S AS FAR AS WE'VE GOTTEN.

THAT'S YOUR CURRENT GUARD RAIL.

SHOULD THEN YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD, WE THEN STEP INTO SCHEMATIC DESIGN, AS WES WAS SAYING, IF YOU WANT A CERTAIN MILESTONE FOR PLEDGES TO HIT.

THIS SCHEMATIC DESIGN PACKAGE CAN SIT ON A SHELF FOR A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, AND IT ISN'T WASTED MONEY, IT JUST SITS THERE AND PAUSES.

WE DO SEE PROJECTS ACROSS THE US WHERE WE HAVE TO PAUSE FOR A LONGER FUND RAISING PERIOD THAN INITIALLY ANTICIPATED.

WHAT WE HAVE SKETCHED OUT HERE FOR YOU IS IF THIS CONTINUES MOVING FORWARD WITH THE MOMENTUM THAT IT HAS, ASSUMING THAT THERE'S POSITIVE FUND RAISING THAT COMES THROUGH, THIS IS HOW YOU GET A FACILITY OPENED EARLY IN 2030.

IF YOU NEED TO TAKE A PAUSE HERE AND WAIT AND WE START TO BUILD IN MORE DEPENDENCIES IN GUARD RAILS, THEN WE JUST BASICALLY ADD IN TIME TO THAT PROJECT TIMELINE.

WHAT THAT DOES OVER TIME IS WE'RE LOOKING AT COST OF CONSTRUCTION.

LABOR AND GOODS CONTINUE TO INCREASE OVER TIME.

THAT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE WITH OUR BUDGET OVERRUNS, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S COMFORT IN THE GUARD RAILS OF DOLLARS AND COMMITTED.

ALL OF THAT IS TO SAY, REALLY LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DIRECTION WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOU TONIGHT IS NOT NECESSARILY SAYING, HERE'S WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.

WE'RE GOING THIS WHOLE WAY.

IT'S REALLY TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT, THIS IS THE FULLEST EXPRESSION OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, KNOWING AND UNDERSTANDING TODAY'S CONDITIONS.

THIS SCHEDULE CAN STRETCH OVER TIME BASED OFF OF WHAT YOU WOULD NEED AND DIRECT OVER TIME.

>> THIS NEXT PIECE THEN REALLY COMES DOWN TO THE COMMUNITY AUTHORIZATION PROCESS, AND I'M GOING TO HAVE EA WALK EVERYONE THROUGH WHAT THIS IS REALLY LOOKING LIKE FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE.

>> THERE'S REALLY TWO KEY COMMUNITY AUTHORIZATION COMPONENTS THAT ARE BEING ASKED OF THE COUNCIL, AND THOSE ARE AGAIN, ON THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM RELATED TO SPECIAL ELECTION.

ONE OF THOSE IS THE AUTHORIZATION TO UTILIZE TYPE A OR EDC FUNDS FOR TYPE B (CDC) PURPOSES.

AGAIN, TYPE A WAS CREATED IN THE 90S, VERY LIMITED SCOPE RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

TYPE B IS LARGER, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TYPE ACTIVITIES.

THE LAW DOES ALLOW FOR THE LEGISLATURE IN THE LATE 90S ADDED THAT WITH A VOTE AUTHORIZATION BY THE COMMUNITY, YOU CAN UTILIZE TYPE A FUNDS FOR TYPE B PURPOSES, BUT THAT DOES HAVE TO BE PROJECT SPECIFIC ON THE BALLOT.

>> MOST PEOPLE PROBABLY KNOW THIS AS WHAT WE CALL EDC IS OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

CDC IS OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

THOSE ARE FUNDED THROUGH SALES TAX, SO WHEN YOU PAY EIGHT AND A QUARTER SALES TAX, SIX AND A QUARTER OF THAT GOES TO THE STATE, 1% GOES TO THE CITY TO HELP FUND GENERAL OPERATIONS, AND THE OTHER 1%, THE CITY HAD AN ELECTION TO SPLIT EQUALLY BETWEEN THESE TWO FUNDS TO BUILD PROJECTS THAT HELP WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND BRINGING JOBS, AS WELL AS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS QUALITY OF LIFE TYPE PROJECTS.

AS WE DO PROJECTS LIKE THESE TO HELP CONTINUE TO GROW SALES TAX, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A BORDER, LIKE THE NORTHERN BORDER OF FRISCO, WHERE WE'RE COMPETING WITH OTHER CITIES FOR THOSE SALES TAX DOLLARS.

THESE ARE THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT HELP GO BACK AND REPLENISH, NOT ONLY OUR EDC AND CDC FUNDS, BUT ALSO 1% WILL CONTINUE TO GO TO FUND GENERAL OPERATIONS IN PERPETUITY.

>> THAT'S A GREAT POINT, MAYOR. THANK YOU.

JUST TO ADD TO THAT, THOSE SALES TAX DOLLARS ARE EVERY DOLLAR THAT'S SPENT HERE IN THE CITY OF FRISCO.

THAT'S NOT JUST RESIDENTS.

THAT'S VISITORS THAT COME TO THIS COMMUNITY.

CERTAINLY ADJACENT COMMUNITIES THAT DECIDE TO SHOP IN FRISCO HELP FUND THOSE ELEMENTS.

THE SECOND ITEM IS THE ACTUAL AUTHORIZATION TO ISSUE DEBT FOR THE PROJECT, AGAIN, AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 100 MILLION.

I JUST WANT TO REITERATE AGAIN, THAT'S NOT ISSUANCE OF THE DEBT.

[02:20:02]

IT IS SIMPLY THE AUTHORIZATION FOR COUNSEL TO ISSUE IT IN THE FUTURE.

I'LL PROVIDE TWO QUICK PROPOSED BOOT LANGUAGE ELEMENTS.

AGAIN, THIS ONE IS RELATED TO THE TYPE A FUNDING UTILIZED FOR TYPE B PURPOSES, AND THIS ONE IS FOR THE DEBT AUTHORIZATION AMOUNT.

>> YOU GO BACK TO THIS ONE HERE.

WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS A LOT ON FRIDAY BECAUSE THIS BALLOT, WHILE IT DOES MENTION AD VALOREM TAXES, AD VALOREM TAXES ARE NOT GOING TO BE PAYING FOR THIS.

IT'S REQUIRED STATE BALLOT LANGUAGE BECAUSE TECHNICALLY, THE CITY WILL BE BASICALLY THE BACKSTOP FOR IT IF AN EMERGENCY HAPPENS.

THAT'S PUT IN THERE, BUT MAYBE IF YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT BETTER THAN I JUST DID.

>> I THINK YOU DID A GOOD JOB.

ESSENTIALLY, AND IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR FRISCO IN ANY OF OUR DEBT ISSUANCES TO HAVE THE FULL FAITH AND CREDIT OF THE CITY BACK UP.

WHATEVER WE DO, EVEN IF IT'S FUNDED OUT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION POT OR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION POT.

THOSE REVENUES, AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO GENERATE SALES TAX, WILL BE THERE.

WHAT HAPPENS IS BECAUSE YOU PUT THE FULL FAITH AND CREDIT OF THE CITY BEHIND AS A BACKSTOP, IT ACTUALLY ALLOWS THE EDC AND THE CDC TO UTILIZE THE CITY'S BOND RATING, WHICH RESULTS IN LOWER DEBT COSTS BECAUSE OF THE AA BOND RATING THAT THE CITY HAS.

BUT THERE IS NO INTENT TO HAVE THIS DEBT SERVICE PAID FOR ANYTHING RELATED TO PROPERTY TAX.

THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THIS LANGUAGE CLEARLY DICTATES IS THAT THIS IS FOR A SPECIFIC PROJECT.

IT IS FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER PROJECT AND NOTHING ELSE.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE.

IT IS CLEARLY INTENDED FOR ONLY THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, BOTH THE PROPOSED BALLOT LANGUAGE NUMBER 1 AND THE PROPOSED BALLOT LANGUAGE NUMBER 2 FOR ONLY THAT PROJECT.

>> ANY QUESTIONS ON EITHER ONE OF THE BALLOT LANGUAGE PROPOSALS? WE'LL MOVE INTO POLICY DIRECTION.

AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A REMINDER ON WHAT WE TALKED THROUGH EARLIER IN REGARDS TO GENERAL SCOPE AND PARTNERSHIP COMPONENTS.

THE DESIRED COUNCIL ACTION TONIGHT AND A LITTLE TYPO IS ACTUALLY ITEM 39, WHICH IS THE NEXT ITEM.

BUT YOU'LL HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY TWO BALLOT QUESTIONS, ESSENTIALLY, THE CALLING OF A SPECIAL ELECTION THAT WOULD AGAIN, PUT THE TWO BALLOT ELEMENTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED THROUGH.

THE NEXT STEPS, SHOULD YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD? THIS SPRING PROCESS, AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE WINTER WORK SESSION.

WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE CONCEPT DESIGN PHASE.

WE ARE CONTINUING THAT FUND RAISING STRATEGY.

WE ALSO HAVE A VIRTUAL COMMUNITY Q&A SESSION SCHEDULED NEXT WEEK AND ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY FEEDBACK THROUGHOUT THIS SPRING.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE WILL BE A NEED FOR A FUTURE COUNCIL DISCUSSION REGARDING FUND RAISING MILESTONES AND DEBT ISSUANCE.

WE CERTAINLY WELCOME THAT FEEDBACK AS WE DEVELOP OUT THAT FUND RAISING STRATEGY, WHICH WILL LIKELY BE A THIRD PARTY ENTITY ASSISTING US WITH THAT.

WE'RE ALSO CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE VENUE OPERATOR TERMS AND LOI APPROVAL.

WE ANTICIPATE THAT COMING BEFORE YOU IN THE FIRST QUARTER, AND AGAIN, CONTINUED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT REGARDING CONCEPT DESIGN.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS OR THE PREVIOUS ELEMENT.

THIS IS A QR CODE, DO YOU WANT TO IT'S A GENERAL PROJECT UPDATES.

WE'RE CONTINUING TO PUT ALL OF THESE PRESENTATIONS AND INFORMATION ON THE PROJECT INFORMATION SO WE CAN GET AS MUCH TRANSPARENCY OUT TO THE PUBLIC AS POSSIBLE.

>> JUST FOR EVERYONE AROUND, THE QR CODE, WILL BRING YOU TO A PAGE THAT GETS YOU THE EMAIL UPDATES THAT ARE THERE, THE INFORMATION TO RSVP FOR THURSDAY'S MEETINGS THERE AS WELL.

THEN THROUGH THAT PROJECT EMAIL, WE SEND OUT USUALLY EVERY THREE WEEKS OR FOLLOWING A COUNCIL MEETING AN UPDATE TO THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S JUST A GREAT WAY TO STAY IN TOUCH AS WELL AS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

WE WILL TOSS IT OVER IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS HERE.

>> I THINK WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE CITIZEN INPUT.

>> WE HAVE JARED ELAD FIRST.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR CHENEY AND CITY COUNCIL.

[02:25:04]

BEFORE WE GET STARTED, MY WIFE HAS A REQUEST.

SHE WANTS TO KNOW IF WE CAN HIRE THOSE PEOPLE WITH THE PINK HOUSE.

WE WANT TO CHANGE OUR HOUSE TOO AND HAVE THAT PINK COLOR AS WELL.

IF WE GET THAT, CAN WE GET THAT APPROVED AS WELL. MY NAME IS JARED ELAD.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR FRISCO FOR 11 YEARS.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED PERFORMING ART CENTER.

I FIRST BECAME AWARE OF THIS PROJECT WHEN I LEARNED THAT THE CITY'S PARTNERSHIP WITH FRISCO ISD FELL THROUGH DUE TO DISAGREEMENTS OVER THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT.

FRISCO ISD IS PROCEEDING WITH A $55,000,000 FACILITY AS WE SPEAK.

DESIGNED TO SERVE THE STUDENTS OF FRISCO.

IN CONTRAST, THE CITY OF FRISCO IS CONSIDERING 340 MILLION.

THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN COST, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE FRISCO RESIDENTS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING AND OPERATING THIS FACILITY IN PERPETUITY.

IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT THIS FACILITY WILL COST SIX MILLION PER YEAR TO MAINTAIN? HAS THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY REALLY DONE THE ANALYSIS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO GO OVER THAT.

TO MAKE MATTERS MORE CONCERNING, I READ THAT THE CITY HAS NOW ENTERED INTO AGREEMENT WITH PROSPERS D ON A JOINT PROJECT WHICH LIMITS THE LOCATION OF THE PERFORMING ART CENTER DUE TO PROSPERED D BOUNDARIES.

THIS MAKES THE PROJECT LESS ACCESSIBLE TO MOST FRISCO RESIDENTS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MY FRIENDS IN PROSPER.

WHY IS THE CITY PURSUING A PROJECT THAT PRIMARILY BENEFITS PROSPERS D STUDENTS AND FAMILIES WHEN THE CITY WAS UNABLE TO REACH AN AGREEMENT ON A JOINT VENTURE WITH FRISCO ID.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS PROJECT COULD HAVE BEEN REWORKED TO SERVE BETTER THE FRISCO RESIDENTS.

IF THIS PROJECT PASSES, WE WON'T JUST HAVE ONE.

WE'LL HAVE TWO FRISCO PERFORMING ART CENTERS THAT THE FRISCO RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SUPPORT.

ADDITIONALLY, THE CITY HAS SIGNED A LETTER OF INTENT WITH BROADWAY ACCESS TO BRING THE BROADWAY SHOWS TO FRISCO.

HOWEVER, A LETTER OF INTENT IS NON BINDING.

WITHOUT A SIGNED AGREEMENT, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS PARTNERSHIP WILL COME TO FRUITION.

WE COULD END UP WITH A FACILITY THAT COST TAXPAYERS MILLIONS TO MAINTAIN WITHOUT GENERATING THE PROJECTED REVENUE.

IT HAS BEEN REPORTED THAT THE DALLAS PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IS STRUGGLING FINANCIALLY AS WE SPEAK.

THAT WAS DUE TO THE PANDEMIC AND ALSO DUE TO THE FACT THAT CONSUMERS HABITS HAVE BEEN CHANGING DURING THIS TIME.

WHAT MAKES US THINK THAT WE, FRISCO, CAN DO BETTER THAN WHAT THE DALLAS PERFORMING ARTS HAS DONE? RATHER THAN ALLOCATING SIX MILLION ANNUALLY FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION AT THIS FACILITY, WHY NOT INVEST IN THE INCREASING NECESSARY PUBLIC SAFETY STAFFING? FURTHERMORE, THIS PROJECT WILL ONLY CREATE A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF JOBS OTHER THAN THE CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO CONSTRUCT.

I APPRECIATE THE CITY'S EFFORTS AND SUCCESSFUL PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, SUCH AS THE STAR AND THE PGA.

HOWEVER, THIS PROJECT APPEARS TO GOES TOO FAR, ESPECIALLY GIVING THE ONGOING COST BURDEN IT'LL PLACE ON THE FRISCO TAXPAYERS.

WHILE IT'S BEEN SAID THAT NO NEW TAXES WILL BE AID FOR THIS PROJECT, ALL CITY EXPENDITURES ARE FUNDED BY TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

MONEY SPENT ON THIS PROJECT COULD BE ALLOCATED TO OTHER IMPORTANT FRISCO NEEDS.

ONE SUCH NEED IS A PET SHELTER.

FRISCO IS CURRENTLY THE LARGEST CITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS WITHOUT A PET SHELTER.

LOST PETS ARE BEING SENT TO SHELTERS IN MCKINNEY AND OTHER SURROUNDING AREAS LEADING TO OVERCROWDING AND HIGHER EUTHANASIA RATES.

RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN TOLD FOR YEARS THAT A PET SHELTER IS IN THE WORKS, BUT SO FAR, NO ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN.

MEANWHILE, LARGER AND MORE EXPENSIVE PROJECTS LIKE THE PERFORMING ARTS CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.

I URGE THE COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER THE PRIORITIES FOR FRISCO.

WHILE A PERFORMING ART CENTER MAY SOUND LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO SOME, WE MUST ALSO ENSURE THAT WE ARE BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.

I ASK THAT YOU TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE RISKS AND THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PAC PROJECT AND CONSIDER WHETHER IT'S TRULY THE BEST USE OF TAXPAYER FUNDS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE MORE URGENT NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

>> THANK YOU, JARED. NEXT, WE HAVE BERT BECKER.

>> CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? GOOD DEAL.

MAYOR CHENEY, MR. MAYOR PRO TEM, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, MADAM SECRETARY, MANAGER PEARSON, CITY ATTORNEY, AND MY FELLOW FRISCO RESIDENTS.

[02:30:04]

I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY SOMEONE WHO ABSOLUTELY SUPPORTS THE ARTS.

I LOVE THE ARTS.

I BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE ARTS TO CHANGE ME.

I THINK IT'S PRETTY AMAZING THAT WE'RE COMING TOGETHER TO BRING ARTS INTO OUR COMMUNITY.

IN FACT, ONE OF MY FAVORITE PLAYS IS BY EUGENE O'NEIL, AND IT'S LONG DAYS JOURNEY INTO NIGHT.

IN IT HE SAID, I WAS SET FREE.

I DISSOLVED IN THE SEA, BECAME WHITE SAILS AND FLYING SPRAY, BECAME BEAUTY AND RHYTHM, BECAME MOONLIGHT, AND THE SHIPS AND THE HIGH DIM OF THE STARRED SKY.

I REMEMBER READING THOSE WORDS WHEN I WAS DOING LITTLE CIRCLES IN THE PERSIAN GULF AFTER BEING DEPLOYED IN IRAQI FREEDOM.

I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE THERE'S IMMENSE BEAUTY IN THE ARTS.

THERE'S ESCAPE. THERE'S CULTURE.

IT PRESERVES WHAT WE ARE.

BUT THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS NOT WHETHER OR NOT WE SUPPORT THE ARTS.

TO ME, IT'S ABOUT FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY AND PRIORITIES.

IT'S ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

THE PROPOSED BUDGET HAS CHANGED FROM 360 MILLION ON FRIDAY TO 340 MILLION TODAY.

IN THE PUZZLE PIECE GRAPHIC, IF YOU TAKE THE HIGH NUMBERS, IT ACTUALLY ADDS UP TO $380 MILLION.

I ASK THE CITY COUNCIL, LOOK, ASK FOR SPECIFICS ABOUT THE COSTS, NOT VAGUE RANGES WITH AN $80 MILLION VARIANCE.

A KEY DEPENDENCY WOULD ALSO REQUIRE FIVE TO $6 MILLION PER YEAR IN O&M COSTS, OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE COSTS, COSTS THAT THE CITY OF FRISCO WOULD ULTIMATELY HAVE TO ABSORB AND PAY.

CAN WE JUSTIFY THIS WHEN WE HAVE OTHER PRESSING NEEDS THAT ARE UNFUNDED? CONSIDER THIS, JARED BROUGHT THIS UP.

FRISCO ISD IS BUILDING A WORLD CLASS PERFORMING ARTS FACILITY, WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE 1,200 SEATS, TWO FLOORS.

IT'S AN ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, AND ARE WE MAKING THE BEST USE OF OUR RESOURCES WHEN WE'RE DUPLICATING EFFORTS, INSTEAD OF WORKING TOGETHER.

COULD WE FIND A POTENTIAL TO COMBINE THE INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN MORE PERFORMING ARTS WITH A PROJECT WHICH IS CURRENTLY IN FLIGHT, WHICH BENEFITS BOTH THE FRISCO ISD, AND IT MITIGATES RISK? MEANWHILE, WE FACE REAL AND IMMEDIATE NEEDS THAT I FEEL WE NEED TO FOCUS ON.

OUR POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS, THEY'RE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL STAFFING.

THEY'RE FUNDING REQUESTS FOR A FRACTION OF THIS 5-$6 MILLION.

WE STILL DON'T HAVE A PROPER ANIMAL SHELTER, AND I BELIEVE THAT MS. RUMMEL WAS ABOUT $10 MILLION.

LOOK, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET DOWN TO IT, WHAT ABOUT OUR VETERANS? OUR VETERANS DON'T HAVE A BUILDING WHERE THE VFW AND THE AMERICAN LEGION CAN MEET.

THESE AREN'T ABSTRACTIONS.

THESE ARE REAL CONCERNS THAT AFFECT REAL PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THE REALITY IS EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE COMMIT TO THIS PROJECT IS A DOLLAR THAT WE COULD USE ELSEWHERE.

I BELIEVE IN SUPPORTING THE ARTS.

I BELIEVE IN SUPPORTING FRISCO. I LOVE OUR CITY.

I LOVE OUR BRAND. BUT I ALSO BELIEVE IN RESPONSIBLE GOVERNANCE.

SO LET'S TAKE A STEP BACK.

I'M ASKING ALL OF US TO WORK SMARTER.

LET'S ENSURE THAT BEFORE WE COMMIT TO SUCH A MASSIVE EXPENDITURE THAT WE FULLY HAVE UNDERSTOOD THE BASIC SERVICES THAT KEEP OUR CITY SAFE AND WE FUND THEM PROPERLY.

I ASK THAT YOU KEEP OUR VETERANS SUPPORTED, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, I ASK YOU TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE TRUE COMMITMENT TO THIS PROJECT WITH SPECIFICS.

I'M VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW OUR FELLOW VOTERS SEE IT.

AS MANAGER PEARSON STATED, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED COURAGE TO VOTE ON THIS, WHETHER FOR OR AGAINST.

I JUST ASK YOU TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE OWE IT TO THE PEOPLE OF FRISCO TO PRIORITIZE WISELY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT, WE HAVE JOHN REDMAN.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL PEOPLE, MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS JOHN REDMAN, 15620 CARNATION ROAD.

I LEFT MY NOTES UNFORTUNATELY IN THE OFFICE, SO I'M USING MY PHONE.

I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY.

BOTH THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND THE CHIEF OF OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT ARE HERE.

IN MY ROLE AS A BOARD MEMBER FOR SONS OF THE FLAG, I'D LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING AND ARE HERE WITH US

[02:35:01]

TODAY TO KNOW THAT THIS WEEK IS BURN AWARENESS WEEK.

I'D LIKE TO THANK THE MEN AND WOMEN OF FRISCO FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR EFFORTS.

I FEEL LIKE I'M JUMPING ON.

BUT CULTURALLY, I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF THE PERFORMING ART CENTER, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE TO DATE.

I APPRECIATE WHAT THE CONSULTANTS HAVE BROUGHT TO YOU FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

MY CONCERN AS A CITIZEN IS THAT I ALMOST FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF DEATH BY 1,000 CUTS.

WE CONTINUE TO SPEND MONEY, BOND MONIES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR A COMMUNITY PROJECT, BUT WE'RE FOCUSED ON A HIGHLY COMMERCIAL, VERY LARGE SCALE PROJECT.

SORRY, MY PHONE WENT OFF.

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I'M REALLY LOOKING AT SPECIFICALLY.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE FISCALLY AND FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE.

LIKE THE FRISCO ATHLETIC CENTER, MY CONCERN IS THAT, AND I THINK I HEARD SOMEONE USE THIS WORD EARLIER IS THAT THE CITIZENS AND THE CITY ARE GOING TO BACKSTOP ANY LOSSES OR POTENTIAL SHORTFALLS.

AND SO MY CONCERN IS, IT'S NOT SO MUCH, CAN WE DESIGN A PRETTY BUILDING? CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN THE RIGHT SPOT? I THINK THOSE THINGS ARE BEING DONE.

AGAIN, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE WITH THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED.

I WANT TO ENSURE THAT CITIZENS, SUCH AS MYSELF HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT, AND THAT WE ARE MAKING SOUND, LOGICAL, FISCAL DECISIONS RESPONSIBLY, NOT WITH THE INPUT OF A VERY SMALL HANDFUL OF PEOPLE, BUT INDEED WITH MORE OF A COMMITMENT AND THE TRUE VOICE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

THAT'S REALLY IT. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

>> THANK YOU, JOHN. NEXT, WE HAVE JOSH MEEK.

>> WELL, I THINK WE'LL TAKE ALL COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM HERE ON 38.

>> NOTHING LIKE A GOOD OLD FASHIONED LATE COUNCIL MEETING.

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE'VE HAD ONE OF THESE.

I THOUGHT 131 COUNCIL MEETINGS WAS A LOT, BUT DONNA I'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

MY NAME IS JOSH MEK.

I RESIDE AT 6901 CENA BAR DRIVE IN FRISCO, TEXAS.

MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M HERE TO VOICE MY SUPPORT TONIGHT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 39, THE ITEM YOU'RE ABOUT TO TAKE ACTION ON.

LAST WEEK AT THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION THAT I DID ATTEND, THERE WAS A VERY LENGTHY DISCUSSION BETWEEN EACH OF YOU PERTAINING TO THIS PROJECT AND THE SPECIAL ELECTION THAT I DO THINK SHOULD TAKE PLACE.

WITH THE AMOUNT OF TIME, MONEY, AND RESOURCES THAT HAVE BEEN INVESTED, WE NEED TO REACH AN ANSWER ON THIS PROJECT.

THAT ANSWER NEEDS TO COME FROM NO ONE ELSE BUT OUR CITIZENS.

WE NEED TO PUT IT TO A VOTE.

TONIGHT, I HOPE THAT YOU DO ALLOW THE VOTERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE IF WE DON'T GET THIS ON THE MAY BALLOT, IT'S GOING TO BE PROLONGED, WHICH IS GOING TO BE INCREASED COST.

THAT'S THE SCRIPTED PART THAT I HAD PREPARED TONIGHT.

THE UNSCRIPTED PART IS THAT FRISCO ULTIMATELY IS A DESTINATION LOCATION.

I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A FAR, FAR OVERSIGHT AS AS A COMMUNITY TO OVERLOOK THE OPPORTUNITY AND AT LEAST NOT EXPLORE THE POTENTIAL THAT WE HAVE.

YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE BIG NAMES, ALL THE BIG GREAT ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE HAVE, THE PGA, TOYOTA STADIUM, STONE BRIER SHOPPING DISTRICT, WHICH YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT MUCH ANYMORE, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST DENSE RETAIL AREAS, SO RETAIL AREAS IN THE WHOLE SOUTHERN UNITED STATES, UNIVERSAL, AND, OF COURSE, NOW WE HAVE A PINK HOUSE FOR EVERYBODY TO GO, CHECK OUT.

BUT FOR US TO NOT AT LEAST EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF PARTNERING WITH BROADWAY.

I'VE GOT TWO BOYS, 12 AND SOON TO BE EIGHT WHEN HAMILTON CAME OUT, THEY WERE ALL ABOUT IT, AND WE WERE LOOKING GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTRY TO HAVE AN EXPERIENCE.

WHY WOULD I AND IF I'M WILLING TO PAY FOR THAT EXPERIENCE, WHY WOULD I NOT ALLOW THAT TO BE A POSSIBILITY IN MY BACKYARD? TONIGHT, I DO THINK THIS WILL PASS, AND I THINK IT WILL BE APPROVED BECAUSE IN 2018, WE PASSED THE BOND FOR THE PERFORMING AUCH CENTER.

I THINK LIKE I STATED EARLIER, THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH OF A POSSIBILITY TO NOT EXPLORE.

WHEN YOU START TO BREAK IT DOWN, THERE'S MORE THAN ONE WAY THAT THE CITY GENERATES REVENUES.

[02:40:05]

A BIG PART OF WHAT HAS MADE US SO SUCCESSFUL IS THAT WE CREATE, LIKE I SAID, THESE DESTINATION PLACES WHERE PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY SPEND THE MONEY THEY HAVE THE EXPERIENCES, AND TO AT LEAST NOT EXPLORE, TO SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT FRISCO RESIDENTS WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WOULD BE A MAJOR OVERSIGHT.

I DO THINK IT SHOULD GO ON THE BALLOT.

TO KNOW, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT THE PROSPER ID THAT'S GOING TO BE CONTRIBUTING $100 MILLION.

THERE ARE FOUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT SERVICE FRISCO CITIZENS.

WE ALWAYS THINK FISCO ISD NUMBER 1, BUT IT'S ALSO PROSPER, LOUISVILLE, AND LITTLE ELM.

HONESTLY, I THINK THE DISCUSSION IS, LIKE, WHY ARE WE NOT PARTNERING WITH THE FRISCO ISD, BUT THE DISCUSSION MIGHT EVEN BE, WHY ARE WE PARTNERING WITH THE OTHER THREE AS MUCH AS WE HAVE WITH THE FISCO ISD? SOMETHING TO EXPLORE.

OF COURSE, GETTING DOWN INTO THE TECHNICALITIES OF IT, THE DISTRICTING, THE INFLUENCES OF THOSE DISTRICTS WITHIN THE CITY IS MUCH DIFFERENT.

BUT WE'VE GOT A PARTNER.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COST OF $300 OR $340 MILLION FACILITY.

THE CITY IS ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING UP TO 160 MILLION.

THE OTHER IS GOING TO BE PRIVATE FUNDING, AND THE OTHER IS GOING TO BE 100 MILLION COMING FROM PROSPERO ISD.

FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT, PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING WISH SO MANY PEOPLE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT 3-4 HOUR CONVERSATION THAT WAS AT THE WORK SESSION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ACTUALLY RECORDED OR NOT.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT IS, BUT IF IT IS, WE PROBABLY NEED TO GET A LOT MORE OUT THERE BECAUSE A LOT OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING THEN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF NOW BECAUSE I DO THINK THERE'S SO MANY GREAT BENEFITS TO DOING A PERFORMING ART CENTER WITH THE PARTNERS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AND THE POTENTIAL OF IT.

THE LAST THING THAT I'LL CLOSE ON, I SERVE ON CDC.

WE'RE LOOKING AT CONTRIBUTING $45 MILLION TO THIS PROJECT.

THERE'S ANOTHER CDC MEMBER HERE TONIGHT.

I HOPE SHE DIDN'T MIND ME SAYING THIS, BUT WHEN THIS WAS PROPOSED TO US, AND IT WAS AT A DEFICIT, WE WERE CONCERNED, AND IT WASN'T JUST HER AND I.

THERE WERE OTHERS THAT BROUGHT IT UP.

BUT AS WE STARTED TO EXPLORE, AS YOU GUYS HAVE STARTED TO EXPLORE, THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT BENEFITS THAT WE WOULD OVERLOOK IF WE DON'T AT LEAST EXPLORE THE OPTION.

I ASK THAT YOU GUYS PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT BECAUSE ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS THE PEOPLE THAT SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE THE POWER.

IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT SHOULD ALWAYS DECIDE WHAT IS ULTIMATELY IN THEIR COMMUNITY.

THEY NEED TO HAVE A CHANCE TO VOTE ON WHAT I THINK WOULD BE A HUGE MISS FOR THE CITY OF FRISCO.

THAT WAS MY UNSCRIPTED PART, AND I HOPE YOU GUYS APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 39 TONIGHT.

>> T, JOSH. LASTLY, BOB CAMPBELL.

>> GOOD EVENING. BOB CAMPBELL, 2935 MONTRO DRIVE.

I WOULD CONCUR WITH THE LAST SPEAKER ON ITEM NUMBER 39.

I THINK IT'S MOST PRUDENT TO BRING THIS UP TO THE VOTERS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

I WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO WHAT HE SAID.

I THINK HE SAID IT PERFECTLY.

WE MIGHT BE ACCUSED OF DREAMING BIG IN FRISCO.

WE MIGHT BE GUILTY OF THAT.

BECAUSE WE DO, WE HAVE THE STAR, UNIVERSAL STUDIOS, THE PGA, THE MALL, ORIGINALLY.

NOW WE'VE GOT THE POSSIBILITY OF A WORLD CLASS PERFORMING ART CENTER IN FRONT OF US.

WHILE WE MIGHT BE ACCUSED OF DREAMING, I CAN TELL YOU I WAS AT THE WORK SESSION LAST WEEK.

YOU CANNOT ACCUSE THE COUNCIL OF NOT DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.

THIS IS THE MOST REVIEWED PROJECT STUDIED PROJECT, CRITICIZED AND PROMOTED PROJECT THAT I'VE EVER SEEN COME BEFORE THE CITY OF FRISCO, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS.

WHILE THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS ARE PLEADING FOR A COMPLETE REVIEW AND TRANSPARENCY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THERE COULD BE A PROJECT THAT HAS HAD MORE OF THAT AND WE'LL HAVE MORE OF THAT AS WE CONTINUE.

WE'RE NOT VOTING WHETHER OR NOT TO DO A PERFORMING ART CENTER TODAY.

WE'RE VOTING ON GOING FORWARD TO STUDY WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD, AND THAT SEEMS VERY APPROPRIATE TO BE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. ARE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR THE COMMENTS, WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO GREAT COMMUNITY DIALOGUE HERE LEADING UP TO MAY.

WHEN WE GET INTO POLITICAL SEASON, IT'S NOT SURPRISING TO SEE THINGS POLITICIZED.

THAT'S NOT A SHOCKING THING.

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IT'S DISAPPOINTING, CERTAINLY, BUT IT'S NOT A SHOCKING THING.

A FEW THINGS THAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT IS THAT I HOPE ANY CANDIDATE OR ANYONE ADVOCATING FOR OR AGAINST THE POSITION DOES NOT FALL DOWN THE FALLACY OF TYING ONE PROJECT TO ANOTHER.

WE CANNOT FUND POLICE AND FIRE WITH EDC AND CDC DOLLARS.

IF THIS PROJECT IS PASSED, IT HAS NO BEARING ON HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS THAT WE HIRE OR HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS THAT WE HIRE, AND DO NOT LET ANYONE TRY TO SCARE YOU WITH THAT DIALOGUE.

THE CITY COUNCIL HAS GIVEN DIRECTION TO OUR CITY MANAGER UNDER THE TERMS THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR OWN ANIMAL SHELTER.

THEY'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED A PLACE WHERE IT WOULD GO.

THEY'RE PURSUING PARTNERS.

IF THAT OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS ITSELF, PREPARED TO VOTE ON THAT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

DO NOT LET ANYONE FOOL YOU THAT VOTING FOR OR SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT OR BEING AGAINST THIS PROJECT HAS ANY BEARING ON WHEN OR IF AN ANIMAL SHELTER WILL BE BUILT.

WE WANT THIS VOTE TO BE DEBATED AND DIALOGUE TO BE HAD THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY ON THIS PROJECT ON ITS SOLE MERIT, AND DO NOT TRY TO TIE IT TO ANY OTHER THING OR ANY OTHER SCARE OR CONCERN.

AS BOB MENTIONED, THIS HAS PROBABLY BEEN THE MOST WORKED ON PROJECT, IT HAS BEEN WITHOUT QUESTION.

JOHN KEATING AND I SAT UP HERE. 2010?

>> ALMOST 15 YEARS AGO, WHEN WE HAD THE VERY TOUGH COMMUNITY CONVERSATION REGARDING THE ARTS OF COLLIN COUNTY PROJECT.

THAT PROJECT, THAT VOTE, TORE THE COMMUNITY APART, AND PROBABLY TOOK A GOOD DECADE FOR THE ARTS COMMUNITY IN THE CITY TO COME BACK TOGETHER.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET THAT HAPPEN THIS TIME AROUND.

BACK ON THAT NIGHT, I'LL NEVER FORGET.

I WANT TO PULL UP THE VIDEO.

FOR THOSE I REMEMBER, THE VOTE OF THAT ITEM WAS LIKE 50.1 AGAINST TO 49.94, RAZOR THIN MARGINS.

I SAID THAT NIGHT, I SAID, WHAT THIS ELECTION HAS TOLD ME IS THAT THIS COMMUNITY WANTS A PERFORMING ART CENTER, BUT THEY JUST WANT IT BUILT IN THE CITY OF FRISCO.

IT'S BEEN MY CHARGE FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS TO GET TO TONIGHT, WHICH IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT I COULD LOOK BACK TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE SO DISAPPOINTED THAT NIGHT, THE PEOPLE THAT SUFFERED THE CONSEQUENCES FOR A VERY LONG TIME, THAT WE COULD FIGHT TOGETHER TO GET TO A NIGHT WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A VOTE, WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT IT BACK ON THE BALLOT.

THIS TIME WITH A PROJECT IN YOUR CITY THAT IF APPROVED, WILL BE A 300-$340 MILLION ASSET THAT WILL SERVE THIS COMMUNITY FOR 50 YEARS OR MORE.

THE COST TO US AS TAXPAYERS IS A MAXIMUM OF $160 MILLION THAT IS FUNDED THROUGH SALES TAX EFFORTS LARGELY GENERATED BY THE VISITORS THAT VISIT THIS COMMUNITY.

WHEN YOU ASK ABOUT BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF YOUR MONEY, I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER OPPORTUNITY AND GIFT TO GIVE FUTURE GENERATIONS OF THE CITY OF FRISCO WITH THIS PROJECT.

THE PERFORMING ART CENTER THAT FRISCO ISD IS BUILDING IS AN INCREDIBLE ASSET FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

THE FACT THAT THEY'RE BUILDING THAT FACILITY ACTUALLY HELPS US MOVE FORWARD WITH THE VISION OF THIS BECAUSE IT FILLED THE GAP WE WERE LOOKING TO FILL.

IT IS VERY MUCH A COMPLIMENTARY FACILITY THAT FILLS VERY DIFFERENT USES AND CROWD SIZES, AND INITIALLY WAS ONE OF THE THREE FACILITIES WE WERE LOOKING AT FROM A SIZE AND SCOPE PERSPECTIVE TO HAVE IN THIS PROJECT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO CUT TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE REALISTIC BUDGET FIGURES THAT WE'RE AT TODAY.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO PROSPER ISD BEING A GREAT PARTNER IN THIS FACILITY.

BUT JUST LIKE THAT OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS LIKE PROSPER ISD, AND SINE ISD AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS FROM ACROSS THIS REGION ALSO SHARE IN OUR RESOURCES AT THE STAR AND TOYOTA STADIUM AND RENT THEM OUT FOR THEIR GRADUATIONS, WE FULLY EXPECT FRISCO ISD TO COME ON AT SOME LEVEL IN A PARTNER IN THIS FACILITY AS WELL, AND BE ABLE TO SHARE IN THE STUDENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT THIS PROJECT WILL BRING THEM.

PART OF OUR WORK SESSION AND THOSE THAT LISTENED IN KNOW THAT AS A COUNSEL, WE READ A BOOK TOGETHER, CALLED THE WISDOM OF THE BULLFROG THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY GAVE US, AND WHEN WE HAD OUR COUNCIL DINNER,

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WE ALL SHARED WHAT WAS OUR MOST MEANINGFUL QUOTE FROM THAT BOOK, WHAT WE LEARNED FROM IT.

WHAT COULD WE BRING FROM THAT SHARED EXPERIENCE OF READING IT TOGETHER TO BE BETTER STEWARDS OF THE CITY OF FRISCO, WE ALL HAD A DIFFERENT QUOTE THAT TOUCHED US THE MOST.

THE ONE I SAID THAT NIGHT, I THOUGHT REALLY POINTED DOWN TO THIS PROJECT.

WHICH IS IT IS BETTER TO AIR ON THE SIDE OF DARING THAN THE SIDE OF CAUTION.

DARING GREATLY DOES NOT MEAN TAKING UNNECESSARY RISK.

IT DOES MEAN HAVING THE BOLDNESS TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE OTHERS WOULD RECOIL IN PERIL.

THAT'S THE REASON FRISCO HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL FOR TWO DECADES.

IS THE CITY ELECTS LEADERS THAT ARE NEVER AFRAID TO RECOIL IN PERIL.

WHILE WE DARE GREATLY, WE NEVER DO SO RECKLESSLY.

WE DO WITH GREAT PLANNING, WITH GREAT WORK, AND STUDYING EVERY DETAIL TO MITIGATE EVERY POTENTIAL RISK.

I CAN SAY WITH 100% CERTAINTY, THIS STAFF, OUR CONSULTANTS, AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS DONE THAT.

FOR GOING ON FIVE YEARS NOW, INCLUDING SITE VISITS, ASKING THOUSANDS OF QUESTIONS ON EVERY SINGLE SITE WE WENT, TRY TO LOOK UNDER EVERY STONE, TRYING TO MITIGATE EVERY RISK, LOOK AT EVERY POSSIBLE THING THAT CAN GO WRONG AND DELIVER A PROJECT THAT CAN BREED BROADWAY, AND IT IS RIGHT AT OUR DOORSTEP.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO PRESENTING THIS PRESENT TO OUR RESIDENTS AND I HOPE THEY SUPPORT IT IN MAY.

FROM THERE, WITH THE SUPPORT OF MAY, I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL GET THIS PROJECT TO THE FINISH LINE.

I'VE BEEN PROUD TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS AND THE DREAM OF BRINGING THE PERFORMING ART CENTER TO THE RESIDENTS OF FRISCO.

WE STILL HAVE WORK TO BE DONE.

BUT WITH OUR CITIZENS SUPPORT AND MAY, TOGETHER, WE WILL GET THERE.

THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUES AND FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

> NO, SIR. WERE DONE WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. WE'LL HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMENTS.

>> SINCE I HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING ALL NIGHT AND I'VE BEEN HERE COUGHING, AND I HAVE A CLEAR MOMENT.

I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND START.

I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYBODY, AND I'M PROBABLY GOING TO RAMBLE A LITTLE BIT.

THE LAST 120 SOME ODD HOURS SINCE WE HAD THE WORK SESSION PRESENTATION HAD BEEN A STRUGGLE FOR ME.

I'VE BEEN ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND I THINK WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WHILE WE WERE AT THE WORK SESSION.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF THINGS CLEAR BEFORE I GO INTO THE NOTES THAT I HAVE.

I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.

OUR PRESENTATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD FROM THESE LADIES UP FRONT.

FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, I THINK WE WOULD ALL AGREE THOROUGH HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED.

WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN'T DECIDE ON OR FINALIZE UNTIL WE KNOW IF WE HAVE A PROJECT OR NOT, CORRECT? PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO JUMP AROUND IT IF THEY DON'T THINK THE CITY SUPPORTS IT, THE CITY BEING THE COMMUNITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GOING FOR A $160 MILLION REQUEST, WHICH IS HOPEFULLY MORE THAN WE NEED.

GOING TO THE VOTERS IS SOMETHING THAT I TOTALLY SUPPORT.

I THINK THAT THEM MAKING THE DECISION IS THE MOST PURE LOCAL CONTROL THAT WE CAN GET.

IT'S NOT US MAKING THE DECISION.

IF WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN AND NOT TRYING TO START A HOLDING THEIR CONVERSATION, BUT I HOPE WE CAN GET THE DOG, THE ANIMAL SHELTER TO THE VOTERS FOR THEM TO MAKE THE DECISION AS WELL.

I HOPE WE CAN DO THAT. I'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

I THINK EVERYBODY UP HERE KNOWS.

I'VE BEEN DEAD SET AGAINST IT.

ON FRIDAY OF THE WORK SESSION, I REALLY WARMED THE IDEA OF IT GOING TO THE VOTERS TO DECIDE BECAUSE THIS IS A HUGE THING.

THE VOTERS WILL MAKE THE DECISION.

I'M CONFIDENT IT'S GOING TO PASS TONIGHT.

THE VOTERS ARE GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION OF WHETHER WE DO THIS OR NOT.

I'M SURE IT WILL BE A VERY WELL DISCUSSED, DEBATED TOPIC DURING ELECTIONS, DURING FORUMS, DURING ONLINE CHATS, AND ALL STUFF LIKE THAT.

I AM VERY FOND OF THE IDEA OF THE DECISION-MAKING.

WHERE I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS ME PERSONALLY I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.

I MENTIONED THIS FRIDAY THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY COST THAT WE HAVE WITH THE EDC,

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CDC INTERNS MONEY THAT ARE COMING.

WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO AS MUCH, WE'LL STILL BE ABLE TO DO STUFF, I THINK WEST MENTIONED THAT DURING THE WORK SESSION, WE JUST WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT MUCH STUFF.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF IT, GIVEN THAT, I HEAR ABOUT SEVERAL OF THESE CENTERS HAVING TROUBLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ACROSS THE STATE.

I HEAR THINGS OF FORT WORTH IS CLOSING THERE.

DALLAS IS HAVING TO GO DO SPECIAL FUND-RAISING.

I HAVE CONCERNS THAT WHILE WE ARE A FAST-GROWING GREAT CITY, THAT THERE MAY NOT BE THE SUPPORT TO ACHIEVE THE FUND-RAISING.

IF WE REPROVE 160 MILLION, THERE MAY BE SOME EFFORT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

WITH THE CITY PUTTING IN MORE THAN I EVER WANT.

I UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE GOING FOR IT.

I'M NOT CRITICIZING THAT DECISION.

I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.

MY COLLEAGUES HAVE PUT IN MORE TIME THAN I HAVE.

THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF VISITS OF SITES ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO MAKE SURE THEY'VE DONE IT.

WE'VE GOT GREAT CONSULTANTS.

WE'VE GOT ACTIVE PEOPLE.

I'M STRUGGLING IS, I WANT TO VOTE TO PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT FOR THE CITIZENS, AND ULTIMATELY IT WILL GO THERE. I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO APPEAR THAT I'M PROMOTING OR SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT.

IT'S LIKE I WISH WE HAD TWO VOTES.

DO YOU SUPPORT IT PERSONALLY AND DO YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT? I HAVE NOT MADE MY MIND UP UNTIL PROBABLY TONIGHT, FOR SURE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME TONIGHT, BUT I PLAN TO VOTE NO TONIGHT JUST SO THAT NO ONE TAKES MY YES VOTE AS SUPPORTING THE PROJECT, BUT I DO LOOK FORWARD TO THE CITIZENS OF FRISCO MAKING THE ULTIMATE DECISION. THANK YOU.

>> [INAUDIBLE] CONGRATULATIONS. YOU MADE IT THROUGH THAT.

>> NOT FALL OVER NOW.

>> THERE IT IS. I IS WAITING FOR IT. POOR GUY.

AS MARA CHENEY SAID, IT WAS A WHILE AGO THAT HE AND I WERE BOTH UP HERE AND REFERENCING THAT BOOK AS WELL.

ONE OF MY TAKEAWAYS WAS YOU CAN BE A PERSON OF CONVICTION AND HOLD THOSE BELIEFS TRUE TO YOURSELF OR YOU CAN ALSO STAND UP IN FRONT OF A GROUP AND A CROWD, A MEN AND WOMEN OF YOUR PEERS OR EVEN SUPERIORS OVER YOU, AND CAN YOU STAND A WHAT IS KNOWN IN MILITARY PARANCE AS THE GREEN TABLE WHERE YOUR COURT MARTIAL IS ON ONE SIDE AND YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND YOU PLEAD GUILTY.

YOU ARE GUILTY OF YOUR CONVICTIONS.

YOU ARE GUILTY OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN.

TO STAND UP AND BE ABLE TO REPRESENT NOT ONLY YOURSELF, BUT YOUR BELIEFS IN THE FACE OF ADVERSITY IS ONE OF THE BIG TAKEAWAYS THAT I FOUND IN THIS BOOK.

JEFF TALKED ABOUT A WHILE AGO, HOW THAT VOTE WENT AND HOW THAT PROJECT WAS STRUCTURED FINANCIALLY AND THAT WAS THE BIG ISSUE FOR ME.

IT WASN'T THE PERSONALITIES BEHIND IT.

IT WAS HOW IT WAS FINANCIALLY STRUCTURED.

IT WAS FLAWED.

IT WAS HEAVILY RELIANT UPON PROPERTY TAX FROM NOT ONE, BUT FOUR CITIES.

ONE CITY VOTED NOT TO PARTICIPATE, AND THEY FOREVER SAID, "WE NEVER BACKED OUT WE WERE NEVER IN IT IN THE FIRST PLACE." THAT'S ANCIENT HISTORY.

BUT WHEN WE TURN THE PAGE AND THE PAGE IS BLANK, AND WE LOOK DOWN AND WE SEE THAT THERE'S NO VISION.

THERE'S NO LAND, THERE'S NO DATA.

THERE'S NO PARTNER.

THERE'S NO BUSINESS MODEL.

THERE'S NO COUNCIL SUPPORT, AND HOW FAR WE HAVE COME FROM THAT BLANK PAGE.

I DIDN'T COUNT HOW MANY PAGES.

AS MANY TIMES I'VE SEEN THIS PRESENTATION, YOU THINK I'D KNOW IT BY NOW, IT'S OVER 100 PAGES LONG.

>> ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY EIGHT.

>> ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY EIGHT?

>> THE LAST PAGE WE SAW.

>> THANK YOU, BRIAN.

>> I THINK THAT'S A SHORT VERSION.

>> THAT'S THE SHORT. THAT'S A READER'S DIGEST, BRIDGED VERSION, SO 138 PAGES OF DATA THAT WE SHARE.

THAT'S HOW FAR THIS HAS COME.

EACH PAGE, THERE'S PROBABLY ANOTHER DOZEN PAGES BEHIND THAT OF DATA BEHIND EACH ONE OF THOSE PAGES.

THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN THROUGH IT.

THE STAFF HAS BEEN THROUGH IT.

MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY WHO SERVE SELFLESSLY ON OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, VOLUNTEERS WHO HAVE ALSO POURED OVER THESE DOCUMENTS.

THOSE WHO WERE IN ATTENDANCE AT THE WORK SESSION.

I LOOKED BACK OVER MY SHOULDER TO SEE WHO WAS THERE MANY FAMILIAR FACES, AND WE HAD A DIGITAL COPY AVAILABLE TO US AND SO I THOUGHT, WELL, LET ME TEXT IT TO EACH PERSON WHO'S SITTING BEHIND ME.

JOSH, YOU WERE THERE. ZAPPED IT TO YOU.

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THANK YOU FOR BEING AT THE WORK SESSION.

HAVE YOU BEEN TO AS MANY COUNCIL MEETINGS AS I HAVE? GREAT DIALOGUE. MY PHONE WAS BLOWING UP ALL WEEKEND FROM PEOPLE I WOULDN'T SAY FOR OR AGAINST, BUT JUST INTELLECTUALLY CURIOUS.

SOME OF THEM SAYING, JOHN, IMAGINE WHERE YOU WERE 15 YEARS AGO AND TO WHERE YOU ARE NOW.

I WILL PROUDLY SAY, YES, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT AND I APPLAUD THE WORK THAT THE MAYOR, THIS COUNCIL, OUR STAFF, AND OUR CITIZENS HAVE DONE TO BRING IT THIS FAR.

TO BRING THIS INCREDIBLE PROJECT, WE HAVE NEVER BEEN THIS CLOSE.

WE HAVE NEVER COME THIS FAR.

WE HAVE NEVER HAD THE ABILITY TO SIT UP HERE AND SAY, WE HAVE CHECKED EVERY BOX.

WE HAVE CROSSED EVERY T. WE HAVE DOTTED EVERY I.

WE HAVE GONE BACK OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND PRESSED STAFF AND PRESSED OUR CONSULTANTS.

PROBABLY THE BEST CONSULTANTS I HAVE EVER SEEN IN THE 15 YEARS THAT I HAVE SAT UP HERE, AS INCREDIBLE AS THAT SOUNDS.

THAT AND IN THE SERVICE OF THIS CITY, AND AS A RESIDENT SINCE 1999, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS.

THIS IS SUCH AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TODAY AND FOR OUR CHILDREN FOR OUR GRANDCHILDREN.

THIS IS TRULY A LEGACY PROJECT OF MONUMENTAL VISION.

YES, WE SHOULD BE QUESTIONING PUBLIC SAFETY AND POLICE AND FIRE AND OTHER PRIORITIES AND WANTS AND NEEDS, AND HOW DOES THIS WEIGH AGAINST OPPORTUNITY COST AND ALL OF THOSE ARE VALID ARGUMENTS.

BUT BE SURE TO SHOW THE SAME INTEGRITY THAT WE DID, AND PUT THEM INTO THE RIGHT CONTEXT AND FIGURE OUT HOW YOUR CITY FUNDING WORKS, HOW YOUR TAX DOLLARS DO TRULY WORK.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PROPERTY TAXES AND SALES TAXES, AND WHO PAYS WHAT AND HOW THESE AMOUNTS ARE CALCULATED, AND HOW THESE DOLLARS WILL BE SPENT.

NOTHING IS COLLECTED ALL AT ONCE, NOTHING IS SPENT ALL AT ONCE.

THIS IS GOING TO BE AN INCREDIBLE PROJECT.

I HOPE THIS COMMUNITY SEES IT THROUGH.

I BELIEVE THIS COMMUNITY DOES NOW HAVE THE SAME VISION AS THIS COUNCIL.

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE, THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT WE REPRESENT, AND I'M PROUD TO MOVE FORWARD TO THIS, NOT ONLY TONIGHT BUT ALSO ON ELECTION DAY, AND YOU WILL SEE ME OUT THERE SPEAKING TO THIS.

I'M OBVIOUSLY A CLEAR PROUD SUPPORTER OF THIS, AND IT'S COME A LONG WAY.

OUR COMMUNITY PRIDE WILL COME LATER AFTER ALL THE POLITICAL DUST HAS SETTLED, ONCE THE DOORS ARE OPEN, AND WE WILL SEE A POSITIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT, AND WE WILL ALSO BE ENTERTAINED AND DELIGHTED. THANK YOU.

>> I THINK 15 YEARS AGO, I REMEMBER ALL THOSE CONVERSATIONS, TOO.

I WAS OUT THERE ON OUR PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION WATCHING UP HERE.

TO JOHN'S POINT, THINGS HAVE CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY.

ON PROJECT WAS A HOPE AND A DREAM AND BUILD IT, AND THEY WILL COME AND THIS IS I MIGHT STEAL TAMMY'S THUNDER A LITTLE BIT ON THIS, BUT THIS IS A CAKE THAT'S ABOUT READY TO BAKE, AND WE'VE GOT ALL THE INGREDIENTS PUT TOGETHER.

NOW YOU GET TO FIND ANOTHER METAPHOR.

WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL BACK IN 2016, I WAS TASKED BY FORMER MAYOR MOSSO TO WORK ON THE ARTS PROJECT AND INVESTIGATE A COMMUNITY ART CENTER, AND THAT LED TO WORKING WITH OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT AND INVESTIGATING THAT AND THAT LOOKED LIKE A VIABLE PROJECT FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

THEN COVID HIT AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS WENT THROUGH THE ROOF AND THEN SOME.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE WERE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO BRIDGE THAT GAP, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAD A VERY DEFINED NEED FOR WHAT THEY WANTED FOR THE STUDENTS OF FISD.

WE WEREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO BRIDGE THAT GAP TO DO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO ALSO.

THAT'S NOT A FAULT OF EITHER ORGANIZATION.

THAT'S JUST THE ECONOMY CHANGED.

CONSTRUCTION COSTS CHANGED.

THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WENT AND BUILT WHAT THEY NEEDED FOR THEIR STUDENTS, AND THAT'S OKAY AND WE CHOSE TO CONTINUE DOWN A PATH TO SEE IF WE COULD FIND OTHER PARTNERS AND FOR A WHILE, WE WERE UNSURE ABOUT A LOT OF THAT AND THEN THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY WITH PROSPER ISD.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FRISCO HAS DONE WELL IS TO FIND A LOT OF DIFFERENT PARTNERS TO WORK WITH.

WE'VE GOT A PARTNERSHIP WITH FC DALLAS FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW IS OWNED BY THE HUNTS WHO OWN THE KANSAS CITY CHIEFS, AND WE'VE ALSO PARTNERED WITH THE DALLAS COWBOYS FOR THE STAR.

IF WE CAN GET THE CHIEFS AND THE COWBOYS IN THE SAME CITY, I DON'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T HAVE, THE FIST HAVE A CENTER THAT WORKS FOR THE STUDENTS THAT FILLS THAT NEED,

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AND WE CAN FIND AND FULFILL A NEED SOMEWHERE ELSE AND HAVE A PARTNERSHIP.

IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY LESS ACCESSIBLE TO THE RESIDENTS OF FRISCO, WE WERE LOOKING AT A PROPERTY IN ONE AREA OF FRISCO, AND NOW WE'RE FOCUSED ON ONE IN THE NORTHERN AREA.

IT'S STILL PROBABLY NOT MORE THAN ABOUT 15 MINUTES FROM ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN FRISCO.

IT'S CONCERNING TO ME, IF I START HEARING COMMENTS THAT MIGHT APPEAR TO BE NEGATIVE BETWEEN THIS CITY COUNCIL AND OUR ISD? WE HAVE AN EXTREMELY GOOD RELATIONSHIP ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH ALL THE STAFF LEVELS.

UNHEARD OF ANYWHERE ELSE.

I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I'VE TALKED TO OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS OR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS OR AT CONFERENCES OR OTHER PLACES, AND THEY GO, HOW DO YOU GET TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? MY RESPONSE IS, HOW DO YOU NOT? THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF PARTNERSHIPS WE BUILD AND I BELIEVE IN OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH FIST.

I BELIEVE THIS PARTNERSHIP WITH PROSPERITY IS GOING TO BE JUST AS FRUITFUL TO JEFF'S POINT, TO EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY, NO MATTER WHAT SCHOOL DISTRICT THEY GO TO, NO MATTER WHAT CITY THEY LIVE IN, THIS IS GOING TO BE A REGIONAL DRAW FOR EVERYBODY.

THAT SAID, I CAN'T AGREE WITH JOHN AND JEFF MORE ON THIS.

I THINK THEY'VE COVERED EVERYTHING ELSE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN ENOUGH DEBATE OVER THE NEXT THREE MONTHS TO HIT ON SOME OF THOSE OTHER TOPICS.

NEEDLESS TO SAY, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE THIS PROJECT.

I AM EXTREMELY HAPPY WITH WHERE WE'RE AT.

I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT OUR STAFF AND THE CONSULTANTS HAVE DONE.

I DON'T THINK YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE HAD MORE DETAIL THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN.

CERTAINLY, THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE PUBLIC FOR WELL OVER A YEAR NOW, MULTIPLE WORK SESSIONS, LAST SUMMER'S WORK SESSION, THIS SUMMER'S WORK SESSION.

THE INFORMATION'S OUT THERE, THESE SLIDES ARE AVAILABLE SOMEWHERE, WES, OR WILL BE AT SOME POINT?

>> YES. THERE'S THE THEATER PROJECTS WEBSITE THAT THESE ARE ON.

>> YES. THE INFORMATION'S OUT THERE, I'M SURE ALL OF US WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON IT.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING FORWARD THIS EVENING.

>> WE'RE AT A MILESTONE.

WE'VE HAD MANY THROUGHOUT THIS PROJECT, AND THIS IS YET ONE OF THEM, AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT MR. CAMPBELL SAID EARLIER, WE ARE NOT TONIGHT VOTING ON A PERFORMING ART CENTER.

WE ARE VOTING ON WHETHER OR NOT THE LANGUAGE SHOULD BE PLACED ON THE BALLOT.

JUST BEING CLEAR SO THAT WE DON'T GET THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TONIGHT.

THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT MILESTONE IN THIS PROJECT, AND THERE ARE MANY OTHER MILESTONES TO COME.

DO WE HAVE ALL OF THE I'S DOTTED AND THE T'S CROSSED? ACTUALLY, WE DON'T, BUT THAT'S MORE WORK TO COME, AND THOSE ARE PART OF THE POLICY DECISIONS AND THE DEPENDENCIES THAT HAVE YET TO BE MADE.

WE ARE AT A MILESTONE IN THIS PROJECT, AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR WHERE WE ARE, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TONIGHT.

THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF WORK DONE.

YOU'VE HEARD THAT FROM ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES.

YOU'VE SEEN IT WITH THE PRESENTATIONS.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK DONE.

THERE'S YET A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

THERE ARE BENEFITS TO THIS PROJECT, AND YES, THERE ARE INHERENT RISK AS WELL.

I THINK THE BEAUTY OF FRISCO IS WE BELIEVE IN THE VOICE AND THE POWER OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THIS CITY AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT.

WE WANT TO HEAR YOUR VOICE.

YOU DESERVE TO BE A PART OF THIS DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

WE WILL ENSURE THAT ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE BEEN PRIVY TO IS AVAILABLE FOR YOU.

BUT WE WANT YOU TO BE A PART OF THIS PROCESS WITH US IN MAKING THIS DECISION.

THIS IS NOT AN EASY DECISION, BUT NOTHING BIG IS EASY.

WE WANT YOU TO LEAN IN.

WE WANT YOU TO GATHER THE DATA.

WE WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THE PROS AND CONS, AND THEN COME TO THE TABLE AND MAKE A DECISION THAT MAKES SENSE FOR YOU.

VOTE YOUR CONSCIOUS, DO YOUR RESEARCH, DO YOUR HOMEWORK, VOTE YOUR CONSCIOUS.

BUT TONIGHT WHERE I AM ON THIS ISSUE IS I AM SUPPORTIVE OF PUTTING THIS ON THE BALLOT.

COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF FRISCO, AND THIS IS THE ULTIMATE AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

WE WANT TO HEAR YOUR VOICE.

>> WHEN YOU COME ON TO CITY COUNCIL, YOU TAKE A PERSONALITY TEST.

IT HELPS US TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO WORK WITH EACH OTHER AND HOW TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH EACH OTHER.

I AM ONE OF THE MORE RISK ADVERSE IN ALL OF THEM.

I'M ACTUALLY THE ONLY LONE ONE IN MY LITTLE QUADRANT [LAUGHTER] THAT SITS IN THAT BUCKET.

IT ALSO MEANS I'M MORE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE, THAT'S WHY I HAVE THE HONOR OF SERVING ON THE BUDGET AND AUDIT COMMITTEE.

IF ANYBODY WANTS TO KNOW THE RULES AROUND TAXATION IN CITY, PLEASE COME TALK TO ME.

I WILL LOVE TO TALK TO YOU.

I WAS ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE THAT READ THE 400-PAGE BUDGET BEFORE I EVER EVEN RAN FOR COUNCIL.

PLEASE COME TALK TO ME. I'D BE GLAD.

IT'S MY FAVORITE SUBJECT.

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WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, AS BEEN DISCUSSED MANY TIMES, WE ARE TRYING TO EVALUATE AS MUCH RISK AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

TO ANGELINA'S POINT, THERE ARE QUESTIONS WE DON'T HAVE ANSWERS YET TO, AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THIS FEEDBACK FROM THE VOTERS.

WE HAVE BEEN VERY FRUGAL WITH HOW WE ARE SPENDING THE MONEY.

WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE THIS TO A BOND WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE.

I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT.

BUT BEING ABLE TO DO THIS THROUGH SALES TAX AND BEING ABLE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THIS COULD BE ACTUALLY A GENERATOR FOR THE CITY, WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE ONGOING COST, WE'RE NEGOTIATING WITH AN OPERATOR WHERE THEY WOULD TAKE ON THE LIABILITY OF THAT.

THERE MAY BE A TIME PERIOD WHERE WE HELP SUPPORT THAT.

THERE MAY BE OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN HELP SUPPORT THAT.

WE CAN'T DO ANY OF THESE NEXT STEPS IN EVALUATION AND RISK ASSESSMENT UNTIL WE GET THIS VOTE FROM THE VOTERS.

UNTIL WE HEAR BACK FROM ALL OF YOU THAT SAYS, DO YOU WANT THIS? IF SO, THIS IS WHAT IT IS GOING TO TAKE.

I WILL BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO LISTEN TO OUR VOTERS IN EVERY ASPECT, AND THIS IS A HUGE INVESTMENT FOR OUR CITY, AND THE VOTERS DESERVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND BE A PART OF THAT.

I DO WANT TO JUST MAKE A POINT BECAUSE I AM THE ADVOCATE FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER UP HERE ON COUNCIL, AND I KNOW I'M NOT ALONE IN THE SUPPORT FOR IT.

ONE OF THE MAIN DIFFERENCES HERE IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PARTNER FOR THAT YET.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO OPERATE AN ANIMAL SHELTER.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO OPERATE A STADIUM, THAT'S WHY WE PARTNER WITH FC DALLAS.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO OPERATE THE STAR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHY WE'VE PARTNERED WITH THE DALLAS COWBOYS AND ISD.

THERE ARE THINGS THAT CITY GOVERNMENT IS NOT GOOD AT OR DOESN'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE AT.

WE DO NOT HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO HAVE AN ANIMAL SHELTER OF OUR OWN, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR A PARTNER.

WE HAVE THE LAND, WE HAVE HOW WE THINK WE WOULD FUND IT.

WE NEED THAT PARTNER TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT.

THIS IS SEPARATE.

IN THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE PARTNERS.

WE HAVE POTENTIALLY, IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING FOR AN OPERATOR.

WE HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING TO THE TABLE THAT WANT TO HELP US MOVE THIS VISION FORWARD.

IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN BEING A PARTNER WITH US FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER, PLEASE CALL ME.

I WILL DIRECT YOU TO CITY STAFF.

WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION THAT NIGHT.

BUT AGAIN, FOR THIS PARTICULAR TONIGHT, THESE ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS, AND I AM SUPPORTIVE OF TAKING THIS TO THE VOTERS.

>> ONE OF THE QUOTES FROM THE BOOK THAT WE READ WAS FROM ADMIRAL MCRAVEN.

HE SAYS, "WHEN WE LOOK ACROSS HISTORY AT THE GREAT RISK TAKERS IN BUSINESS, ENTERTAINMENT, SPORTS, ARTS, OR THE MILITARY, WE SEE THAT EACH OF THESE MEN AND WOMEN UNDERSTOOD THAT IN EVERY RISK, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY." I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY HERE.

YES, THERE IS RISK, BUT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND BOTH.

THE ARTS HAS BEEN USED AS A POLITICAL FOOTBALL FOR MANY YEARS IN FRISCO, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY HOW I GOT INVOLVED 10 YEARS AGO, AND WAS STANDING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS DIAS, SPEAKING TO OUR COUNCIL, ASKING THEM TO PUT THIS TO VOTERS.

IT'S A FULL CIRCLE MOMENT FOR ME TO BE HERE ON THIS SIDE FOR THIS VOTE.

I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR VOTERS ARE AWARE OF WHAT THIS PROJECT IS AND WHAT IT IS NOT.

THIS IS WHAT WE DO FOR EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES ACROSS.

WE HAD TO GIVE CLARIFICATION.

THIS ONE WILL REQUIRE LOTS AND LOTS OF CLARIFICATION.

I ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT, THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING, THAT YOU REALLY MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE TRANSPARENT AND YOU GIVE THE TRUTH TO THE VOTERS, SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE GO TO THE POLLS TO SAY YES OR NO.

THIS IS ABOUT ALLOWING COUNCIL TO HAVE A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX FOR WHEN AND IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD.

THERE ARE MANY TIMES WHERE THERE ARE GOING TO BE MANY DECISIONS ALONG THE WAY BEFORE YOU EVEN PICK UP THAT TOOL, BUT IT ALLOWS THE AUTHORITY FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND POTENTIALLY USE IT.

IT'S NOT A BLANK CHECK.

WHEN YOU APPROVE IT, DOES NOT MEAN SUDDENLY THERE'S $160 MILLION THAT WE'RE JUST WRITING A CHECK TO.

IT'S DEBT ISSUANCE, IT'S NOT CASH IN HAND, AND IT IS OVER TIME.

THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY COST, YES, FOR THE EDC AND FOR THE CDC.

BUT AS YOU HEARD FROM JOSH TONIGHT, FROM THE CDC, THEY LOOKED AT THE OPPORTUNITY COSTS AND THEY BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD USE.

THERE IS ALSO EDC OPPORTUNITY COSTS AS BRIAN ALLUDED TO, YET WE DO HAVE A LOT OF CORPORATES THAT ARE COMING TO FRISCO NOW WITHOUT INCENTIVES.

THAT'S WHAT THAT EDC BUCKET IS.

IT'S CORPORATE INCENTIVES.

WE HAVE CORPORATES WHO ARE CHOOSING FRISCO BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY HAVE FRISCO FOMO,

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AND THEY'D LIKE TO BE HERE AND THEY DON'T REALLY CARE IF WE PAY THEM. I LIKE IT THAT WAY.

I'D PREFER THAT DECREASES, BUT WHEN OTHER OPPORTUNITIES COME UP, WE WILL STILL HAVE FUNDS TO BRING IN THE NEXT PGA HEADQUARTERS OR SOMETHING VERY EXCITING IN THE NEXT 14% THAT'S LEFT TO DEVELOP.

THERE ARE GUARD RAILS, THERE ARE OFF RAMPS.

THERE ARE MANY WAYS THAT WE ARE KEEPING US ON TIME, ON TRACK, ON BUDGET.

THE CONSULTANTS KNOW THIS.

THE DESIGN ARCHITECTS KNOW IT.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE SCOPE CREEP, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE BUDGET CREEP.

WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A LIMIT, [NOISE] SO DO NOT TELL PEOPLE THAT THERE'S A BOGEYMAN OUT THERE THAT'S GOING TO SPEND ALL YOUR MONEY.

THAT IS COMPLETELY UNTRUE.

THEN WHAT IS THE ACTUAL OPPORTUNITY? WELL, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE ART CENTER.

THIS IS ABOUT FRISCO'S IDENTITY.

THIS IS ABOUT US PUTTING OUR FLAG IN THE GROUND AND SAYING, WE ARE PART OF DFFW.

THAT ART IS JUST AS FUNDAMENTAL TO OUR IDENTITY AS SPORTS, BUSINESS, HEALTH, EDUCATION. THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO.

WHEN YOU SAW THAT MAP THAT THE CONSULTANTS SHOWED US, YOU CLEARLY SEE THE TRIANGLE OF ACTIVITY THAT IS DEFINING DFFW.

FRISCO IS A MAJOR REGIONAL PLAYER.

WE SIMPLY ARE ALREADY, WE WILL BE EVEN MORE WHEN OUR IDENTITY EMBRACES THE ARTS.

THIS ALSO SOLVES THE ARTS TOURISM PROBLEM THAT IS A DATA BACKED ISSUE WE HAVE IN FRISCO.

THE NUMBER 1 REASON THAT PEOPLE LEAVE FRISCO IS FOR ARTS ENTERTAINMENT.

WE CAN SOLVE THAT WITH THIS FACILITY. THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING IT.

IT'S NOT JUST FOR FUN.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE CAN, IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

WE ALSO HEARD TONIGHT THAT THERE'S A CULTURAL AFFAIRS MASTER PLAN.

YOU ALL WILL GET TO SEE THAT EVEN MORE, BUT WE DID HEAR A RED FLAG IN THAT CULTURAL AFFAIRS RESEARCH.

IT WAS THAT OUR NON-PROFITS ARE MUCH LOWER IN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO USE AND GROW BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF THINGS HAPPENING IN FRISCO.

THAT'S AN ISSUE.

WE HAVE A GROWING COMMUNITY WITH INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THRIVING BUSINESSES, BUT OUR ARTS NON-PROFITS ARE STRUGGLING, AND WE NEED TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT THE ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM IS BALANCED.

THIS WILL HELP WITH THAT. THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT BROADWAY, THIS IS ABOUT ALSO HELPING OUR LOCAL ARTS COMMUNITY, WHICH WILL HAVE A PRESENCE IN THAT SMALLER FACILITY SHARED WITH PROSPER ISD.

THAT INVESTMENT IN THE ARTS, IT'S AN INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.

THIS IS ALSO ABOUT EDUCATION.

YES, WE DID EXPLORE A PARTNERSHIP WITH FISD.

WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT VISIONS, AND WE WENT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

THEY ARE PURSUING THEIR OWN FACILITY, WHICH I THINK WILL BE A MAGNIFICENT FACILITY FOR THEM.

IT IS DIFFERENT FROM OURS.

THEIRS IS OWNED, OPERATED, AND MAINTAINED BY FISD.

THAT'S GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENTLY WITH OUR MODEL.

BUT THE GOOD NEWS WITH PROSPER ISD BEING INVOLVED IS NOT ONLY IS THERE A CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION OF $100 MILLION, THERE IS ALSO THE TRUTH THAT EVERY DAY THERE'S GOING TO BE A CHILD BEING INSPIRED IN THIS SPACE.

IT'S ALSO ABOUT EQUITY.

EQUITY OF OUR ASPIRING ARTISTS TO HAVE INSPIRATION IN FRISCO.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I HEAR A LOT FROM OUR COMMUNITY, THAT OUR ASPIRING ATHLETES GET TO HAVE THE MOST INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCES IN FRISCO, THAT A QUARTERBACK CAN SEE THEY'RE ON THE BIG SCREEN AND THE FAMILY CAN CHEER THEM ON AT THE STAR.

OUR ASPIRING MUSICIANS, DANCERS, THEATER ACTORS, THERE'S NOT A PLACE FOR THEM.

THE ORIGINAL VISION OF JERRY JONES BRINGING THE START TO FRISCO WAS DAK PRESCOTT OR ACTUALLY PROBABLY TONY ROMO, ON THE FIELD THERE AT THE PRACTICE FACILITY, LEAVING THE FIELD GOING INTO THE LOCK ROOM, AND THEN THE HIGH SCHOOL QUARTERBACK IS COMING ON THERE ON THE EXACT SAME FIELD, BEING INSPIRED, LOOKING AT WHAT THE FUTURE COULD BE FOR THEM IN THAT SPORT AND IN THAT SECTOR.

WELL, THIS IS THE EXACT SAME THING THAT WE CAN PROVIDE FOR OUR ASPIRING STUDENTS AND OUR YOUTH, THAT THEY GET TO BE IN THAT SPACE WITH BROADWAY ACTORS, THE PROFESSIONALS IN THE INDUSTRY.

THE DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITH THE POTENTIAL WORKFORCE TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES ARE INCREDIBLY MIND BLOWING.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE BETTER THAN ANYTHING THAT'S IN THE UNITED STATES, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE GROWING PROFESSIONALS OUT OF THIS FACILITY.

IT'S REVENUE GENERATING.

THAT'S ANOTHER THING WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BUILD THE SAME TYPE OF ARTS FACILITY THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE COUNTRY IS DOING, WHICH YES, IT DOES GO IN THE RED.

YES, THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH OTHER ARTS FACILITIES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THINKING LIKE A BUSINESS.

THAT'S ONE OF THE DIFFERENTIATORS BETWEEN HOW FRISCO

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DOES THINGS AND HOW OTHER CITIES DO THINGS.

WE THINK LIKE A BUSINESS.

WE ARE ENTREPRENEURIAL, WE TAKE RISKS, BUT WE WORK WITH TRUSTED PARTNERS, AND WE CREATE OUTLIERS.

THAT'S WHAT THIS WILL BE TOO.

I WOULD SAY ALSO, THIS IS VERY SMART BECAUSE IT'S NOT IMPACTING THE TAX RATE AS YOU HEARD.

WE'RE NOT USING PROPERTY TAXES, WE'RE USING SALES TAX DOLLARS.

PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELVES BEFORE SPEAKING ON THIS AND MISLEADING VOTERS.

MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING THE TRUTH.

I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THIS IS A FORCE MULTIPLIER PROJECT.

WHEN WE LOOK AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE THE LAST 14% OF OUR LAND IN FRISCO TO DEVELOP, WE NEED TO LOOK AT PROJECTS THAT ARE CATALYTIC, AND THAT ARE NOT JUST STATIC FACILITIES.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO BRING THAT HALO EFFECT THAT WE TALK ABOUT.

THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS AT ITS CORE, YES ARTS, BUT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

IT'S GOING TO CREATE THAT HALO OF CREATIVE ECONOMY THAT FILLS THE SALES TAX BUCKETS AGAIN.

IT'S SPENDING A LITTLE OUT OF THEM, BUT TO REFILL THEM AGAIN AND MORE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A REGIONAL DRAW.

BEING UP AT THAT NORTHERN CORRIDOR, THAT'S WHERE WE CAN EVEN STOP SOME TRAFFIC FROM COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH FRISCO, BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL BE COMING FROM THE REGION [NOISE] TO SEE SHOWS AND ENJOY THEM THERE.

I THINK THE MATH IN FRISCO FOR PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, 1+1 DOES NOT EQUAL TWO, IT EQUALS 20.

ESSENTIALLY, I HAD A CAKE ANALOGY AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, WHICH BILL STOLE, SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU ONE LAST ONE AS I CLOSE.

IT IS THE CONCEPT CALLED KINTSUGI, AND IT'S AN ANCIENT JAPANESE ART FORM.

IT IS THE PROCESS OF REPAIRING BROKEN POTTERY WITH POWDERED GOLD.

WHEN A VESSEL BREAKS OR SHATTERS, IT IS NOT CONSIDERED A WASTE OR IRREPARABLE.

INSTEAD, KINTSUGI TREATS THE BREAKAGE AND ITS SUBSEQUENT GOLD AND REPAIR AS PART OF THE HISTORY OF THE OBJECT, RATHER THAN SOMETHING TO DISGUISE.

THE JAGGED LINES ARE BEAUTIFULLY UNIQUE TO EACH BROKEN VESSEL, AND ONCE MENDED WITH THE POWDERED GOLD, THE FINAL PIECE IS STRONGER THAN IT WAS BEFORE.

IN FACT, THE VESSEL BECOMES EVEN MORE VALUABLE DUE TO ITS IMPERFECTIONS THAT CANNOT BE REPLICATED.

IT IS NOT SIMPLY GOOD AS NEW WITH KINTSUGI, IT IS BETTER THAN NEW.

THAT'S WHAT I SEE WITH THIS ARTS PROJECT.

WE ARE MAKING SOMETHING THAT YES HAD SOME BROKEN PIECES.

HOW MANY LIVES HAS THIS LIVED? IT'S INCREDIBLE THAT IT'S BACK TO WHERE IT IS NOW, AND THAT POWDERED GOLD COULD POTENTIALLY BE THERE TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS BETTER THAN NEW.

IF YOU ARE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY LISTENING IN AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THE AUTHORITY THAT YOU WILL GIVE COUNCIL TO POTENTIALLY USE THIS TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX TO CREATE AND REPAIR IT, THAT BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF POTTERY, I ASK THAT YOU WOULD DO THAT.

I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM.

>> THANK YOU, TAMMY.

>> SORRY, THAT'S LONG. [LAUGHTER]

>> IT'S GREAT. IT'S AN IMPORTANT ITEM.

[Consider and act upon adoption of an Ordinance ordering a Special Election to be administered by the Collin County Elections Administrator and the Denton County Elections Administrator on May 3, 2025, for the purposes of seeking voter approval of: (1) authorizing the Frisco Economic Development Corporation to use proceeds of its sales and use tax, including all amounts previously authorized and collected, for projects related to the proposed Center for the Arts development project, including but not limited to, land, buildings, equipment, facilities and improvements found by the Frisco Economic Development Corporation Board of Directors to be required or suitable for use for the proposed Center for the Arts development project in accordance with Section 505.152 of the Texas Local Government Code; and (2) the issuance of bonds in the maximum amount of $160,000,000 for a City-owned performing arts facility, and levying taxes sufficient to pay the principal of and interest on the bonds; designating early voting polling places and hours; designating election day polling places and hours; providing for the appointment of election officials. (CSO/KM)]

ITEM 39 IS CONSIDERED AN ACT UPON ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE ORDERING A SPECIAL ELECTION TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE COLLIN COUNTY ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR AND THE DENTON COUNTY ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR ON MAY 3RD, 2025, FOR THE PURPOSES OF SEEKING VOTER APPROVAL OF ONE, AUTHORIZING THE FRISCO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO USE PROCEEDS OF ITS SALES AND USE TAX, INCLUDING [NOISE] PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED AND COLLECTED FOR PROJECTS RELATED TO THE PROPOSED CENTER FOR THE ARTS DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, INCLUDED BUT NOT LIMITING TO LAND, BUILDINGS, EQUIPMENT, FACILITIES, AND IMPROVEMENTS FOUND BY THE FRISCO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO BE REQUIRED, OR SUITABLE FOR USE FOR THE PROPOSED CENTER FOR THE ARTS DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 505.152 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, AND TWO, THE ISSUANCE OF BONDS IN THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF $160 MILLION FOR A CITY OWNED PERFORMING ARTS FACILITY, AND LEVYING TAXES SUFFICIENT TO PAY THE PRINCIPAL OF AND INTEREST ON THE BONDS, DESIGNATED EARLY VOTING POLLING PLACES AND HOURS, DESIGNATED ELECTION DAY POLLING PLACES AND HOURS, PROVIDING FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF ELECTION OFFICIALS.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 39.

>> MOTION BY TAMMY, SECOND BY BILL. ALL IN FAVOR?

ITEM 40 IS CONSIDERED AN ACT UPON ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE, ORDERING A SPECIAL ELECTION TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE COLLIN COUNTY ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR AND THE DENTON COUNTY ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR ON MAY 3RD, 2025, FOR THE PURPOSE OF SUBMITTING TO THE QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE CITY OF FRISCO CERTAIN PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE EXISTING CITY OF FRISCO HOME RULE CHARTER IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY OF FRISCO GENERAL ELECTION AND BOND ELECTION, DESIGNATING ELECTION DAY POLLING PLACES AND HOURS, ORDERING NOTICES OF ELECTION TO BE GIVEN AS PRESCRIBED BY LAW IN CONNECTION WITH SUCH ELECTION,

>> OPPOSED?

>> NAY.

>> MOTION PASSES 5-1.

[Consider and act upon adoption of an Ordinance ordering a Special Election to be administered by the Collin County Elections Administrator and the Denton County Elections Administrator on May 3, 2025, for the purpose of submitting to the qualified voters of the City of Frisco certain proposed amendments to the existing City of Frisco Home Rule Charter, in conjunction with the City of Frisco General Election and Bond Election; designating election day polling places and hours; ordering notices of election to be given as prescribed by law in connection with such election; providing for the appointment of election judges; authorizing the Mayor and City Secretary to take all actions necessary to comply with applicable election laws. (CSO/KM)]

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PROVIDING FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF ELECTION JUDGES, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND CITY SECRETARY TO TAKE ALL ACTIONS NECESSARY TO COMPLY WITH APPLICABLE ELECTION LAWS.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 40.

>> MOTION BY TAMMY, SECOND BY BILL.

>> ALL IN FAVOR?