Nov 26, 2024 Frisco - Planning and Zoning Commission

DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR NUMBER THREE? APPROVAL OF MINUTES. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE WORK SESSION.

MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 12TH, 2024 PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.

WITH THAT, WE WILL JUMP INTO THE IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSIST OF ROUTINE AND NON-CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS. ANY COMMISSION MEMBERS MAKING SUCH REQUESTS PRIOR TO MOTION AND VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS MAY CONSIDER ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY.

ANY MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO MAKE COMMENTS ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS MAY DO SO WITH THE MAJORITY APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSION.

WE HAVE ITEMS FOUR THROUGH 16 THIS EVENING.

ARE THERE ANY THAT NEED TO BE PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? I KNOW WE NEED TO PULL ITEM 16.

ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS FOUR THROUGH 15 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS FOUR THROUGH 15 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

MOTION BY STEVE. SECOND.

SECOND BY BRITTANY.

WE'LL HAVE MICHAEL IF YOU'LL JUST STEP OUT FOR A MOMENT.

[Site Plan: Preston Trail at West Rowlett Creek, Block A, Lot 1(SP24-0132)]

WHILE HE'S STEPPING OUT.

I DON'T KNOW. ALL RIGHT.

ITEM 16.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS WITH THIS, OR IS THERE? DO I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION? YOU NEED TO STATE THAT HE LEFT THE DAIS.

OH. THANK YOU. YES.

MICHAEL HOWARD LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT HE HAS JUST LEFT THE DAIS.

DO I HAVE A MOTION OR QUESTIONS ON ITEM 16.

MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 16.

MOTION BY SEAN.

ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

WITH THAT, IF SOMEONE WILL INVITE MR. MICHAEL HOWARD BACK IN.

ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE.

[Public Hearing - Replat: Hunters Creek, Phase 5, Block L, Lot 23 & Block X, Lot 1 (RP24-0024)]

ALL RIGHT. AS HE WALKS BACK IN TONIGHT, WE HAVE FIVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE AGENDA, AND I WANT TO REVIEW THE PROCESS.

EACH PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS PERCEIVED BY A STAFF INTRODUCTION OF THE REQUEST.

THE APPLICANT IS THEN PERMITTED TEN MINUTES TO MAKE HIS OR HER PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION, FOLLOWING QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF AND APPLICANT BY THE COMMISSION.

THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ARE WELCOME TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.

ALL SPEAKERS, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT, NEED TO COMPLETE A BLUE SPEAKER CARD AND TURN IT INTO THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.

IF THERE ARE ORGANIZED GROUPS IN ATTENDANCE, WE SUGGEST THAT YOU SELECT REPRESENTATIVES TO PRESENT YOUR POSITIONS.

PLEASE AVOID REPEATING WHAT HAS BEEN STATED BY PREVIOUS SPEAKERS, OTHER THAN TO STATE THAT YOU AGREE WITH THEIR COMMENTS.

THE TIME LIMIT IS FIVE MINUTES PER SPEAKER TO ENSURE EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO SPEAK, THE COMMISSION MEMBERS CAN VOTE TO LIMIT SPEAKING TIME.

IF THERE ARE A LARGE VOLUME OF PEOPLE WISHING TO SPEAK.

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PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU ONLY HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

REPEAT APPEARANCES TO THE PODIUM ARE NOT PERMITTED AFTER ALL PERSONS HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE CASE WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER TESTIMONY WILL BE PERMITTED UNLESS THE CASE IS TABLED TO A FUTURE DATE, AND THE COMMISSION INCLUDES IT IN THEIR MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO A FUTURE MEETING.

AFTER CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF OR THE APPLICANT.

PLEASE NOTE THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION ONLY MAKES A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING ZONING CASES UNLESS THE COMMISSION DISAPPROVES THE CASE, AND THE APPLICANT DOES NOT APPEAL THE DISAPPROVAL. FINAL ACTION REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING BY CITY COUNCIL.

YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO CONTACT YOUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF AS TO WHEN THE CASE WILL BE CONSIDERED BY CITY COUNCIL.

WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO COUGH AND TURN TO ITEM 17.

ITEM 17 PUBLIC HEARING REPLAT HUNTERS CREEK PHASE FIVE, BLOCK L, LOT 23 AND BLOCK X, LOT ONE RP24-0024. OWNERS JASON L WRIGHT AND MICHELLE TRISKA-WRIGHT AND FRISCO HUNTERS CREEK HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, INC.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

ITEM THAT WAS JUST READ INTO THE RECORD WAS SUBMITTED ON OCTOBER 28TH, 2024.

THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE REQUESTED A 30 DAY EXTENSION.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF 30 DAY EXTENSION.

CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TABLE THE ITEM TO THE DECEMBER 10TH, 2024 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

SO I ASSUME IF THEY'RE REQUESTING EXTENSION, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A PRESENTATION.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE I OPEN PUBLIC HEARING? SIR, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.

SO MOVED. MOTION BY BRITTANY.

SECOND BY SEAN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO.

WE ARE NOW IN PUBLIC HEARING.

AS WE KNOW WE WON'T CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THERE'S A REQUEST TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE DECEMBER 10TH.

DO I HAVE A MOTION.

MOVE TO CONTINUE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE DECEMBER 10TH MEETING FOR ITEM 17.

I'VE GOT A MOTION BY SEAN.

THIS ITEM 17 HAS BEEN TABLED TO DECEMBER 17TH MEETING.

[Public Hearing - Replat: Stonebriar Mall at the Bridges, Block A, Lots 10 & 13 (RP24-0028)]

ITEM 18 PUBLIC HEARING REPLAT STONEBRIAR MALL AT THE BRIDGES BLOCK, LOT TEN AND 13, RP24-0028 OWNERS GS PORTFOLIO HOLDINGS II, WE'LL CALL IT, LLC.

THANK YOU, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

THE ITEM THAT WAS JUST READ INTO THE RECORD WAS SUBMITTED ON OCTOBER 28TH.

STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE REQUESTED A 30 DAY EXTENSION.

STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE 30 DAY EXTENSION, AND REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CONTINUES THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TABLE THE ITEM UNTIL THE DECEMBER 10TH MEETING.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, IS THERE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? I MOVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MOTION BY STEVE.

WE ARE IN PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 18.

SEEING NONE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 30 DAY EXTENSION REQUEST AND CONTINUE PUBLIC HEARING AND TABLE THE ITEM TO THE DECEMBER 10TH, 2024 PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.

SECOND, SECOND BY SEAN.

ITEM 18 HAS BEEN TABLED TO DECEMBER 10TH.

[Public Hearing - Replat: Artistry at Edgestone, Block A, Lot 1 (RP24-0030)]

ITEM 19 PUBLIC HEARING REPLAT ARTISTRY AT EDGEWOOD BLOCK A LOT 1, RP24-0030.

OWNERS ARTISTRY SENIOR RESIDENCE AT EDGEWOOD LLC.

IT'S EDGESTONE.

OH. I THINK YOU DID THIS LAST TIME.

I DID IT LAST TIME. I KNOW AN EDGEWOOD DEVELOPMENT.

THERE'S ALL GRACE. ALL GRACE.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

THE ITEM WAS SUBMITTED ON OCTOBER 14TH, 2024.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVED A 30-DAY EXTENSION ON NOVEMBER 12TH, 2024.

STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND FOUND IT FAILS TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND OTHER APPLICABLE CITY CODES, ORDINANCES, REGULATIONS, RULES, POLICIES AND STANDARDS.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

GREAT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE OR ARE THEY WANTING TO PRESENT? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? LOOKS LIKE WE NEED TO REMOVE IT FROM THE TABLE.

WE DO. OKAY.

YES. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE THIS FROM THE TABLE? OH, WELL, LET'S REMOVE FROM THE TABLE AND THEN ASK.

OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION TO REMOVE THIS FROM THE TABLE? MOTION. MOTION BY SEAN.

ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 5 OR 6 ZERO.

THIS ITEM HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE TABLE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT.

NOW I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER. I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION.

IT'S A STATEMENT, AND I DON'T MEAN TO OFFEND, BUT COULD YOU PERHAPS SPEAK A LITTLE CLEARER INTO THE MICROPHONE WHEN YOU'RE PRESENTING SO THAT WE CAN HEAR YOU BETTER, PLEASE?

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YEAH. SO THE APPLICANT DOES NOT PROVIDE ALL THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS.

AT LEAST SEVEN CALENDAR DAYS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING? MOVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MOTION BY STEVE.

SECOND. SECOND BY BRITTANY.

LET'S BE LOUD AND CLEAR. ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO.

ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE IN PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 19.

THERE IS NONE.

SEEING NONE, MOVE TO CLOSE.

PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 19.

I'VE GOT A MOTION BY SEAN.

PUBLIC HEARING PORTION IS CLOSED FOR ITEM 19.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE THE MOTION IS PRESENTED? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

I MOVE TO DISAPPROVE ITEM NUMBER 19 FOR THE REASONS IDENTIFIED IN THE STAFF'S REPORT, AND DELEGATE TO STAFF THE AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE A WRITTEN STATEMENT TO THE APPLICANT OF THE REASONS FOR THE DISAPPROVAL.

SECOND. SECOND BY STEVE.

ITEM 20 PUBLIC HEARING REPLAT HAZELWOOD ADDITION, BLOCK C, LOTS 32C AND 33X, 34 PARK AND 59X, LOT ONE, BLOCK ONE, LOT THREE AND FOUR, 17 THROUGH 33 AND 35 THROUGH 42 RP24-0031.

ITEM 19 HAS BEEN DENIED.

[Public Hearing - Replat: Hazelwood Addition, Block C, Lots 32X-33X, 34-Park & 59X; Block I, Lots 3-4, 17-33 & 35-42 (RP24-0031)]

THE OWNERS ARE GREENBROOK EDGEWOOD LLC AND CB JENI 2020 LLC.

THANK YOU, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

THE ITEM WAS SUBMITTED ON OCTOBER 28TH, 2024.

THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE REQUESTED A 30 DAY EXTENSION TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL TIME TO ADDRESS STAFF'S COMMENTS.

CONTINUING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TABLED ITEM TO THE DECEMBER 10TH, 2024 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND DO THEY WANT TO PRESENT BEFORE WE OPEN PUBLIC HEARING? IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 20.

MOTION BY SEAN.

WE ARE IN PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 20.

WE'RE JUST CRUISING ALONG.

IF THERE'S NONE. SEEING NONE MOVED TO GO ALONG WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

WE'VE GOT TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

OH, I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY. TO APPROVE THE 30 DAY EXTENSION REQUEST AND TO CONTINUE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 20.

I'VE GOT A MOTION BY WHICH MEETING? TO THE DECEMBER 10TH MEETING.

DECEMBER 10TH. I'VE GOT A MOTION BY SEAN.

SECOND. SECOND BY STEVE.

ITEM 20 HAS BEEN TABLED, AND FOR THOSE THAT MAY BE WONDERING, I KNOW WE'VE HAD THREE THAT WERE ASKING FOR A 30 DAY EXTENSION, AND REALLY, THIS IS ONLY I GUESS TEN, 15 DAYS, AND THAT'S BECAUSE IN DECEMBER WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING, AND SO THAT IS THE REASON WHY IT'S NOT MOVED TO THE LATER MEETING IN DECEMBER. WITH THAT, LET ME GET TO 21.

[Public Hearing - Zoning: 9280 North County Road (Z24-0010)]

I GOT TO TURN MY PAGE.

ALL RIGHT. LAST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM 21 PUBLIC HEARING ZONING, 9280 NORTH COUNTY ROAD Z24 001 OWNERS.

I'M GOING TO PRONOUNCE THIS RIGHT.

IS IT THET AND CIDNEY KO? SURE. I DID IT RIGHT? OKAY.

OH, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. BEFORE YOU ALL THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY AT 9280 NORTH COUNTY ROAD TO SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN HISTORIC LANDMARK IN ACCORDANCE WITH ZONING ORDINANCE SUBSECTION 6.17.

THIS PROPERTY IS LISTED IN THE APPENDIX TITLED FRISCO OLD TOWN HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, WHICH IS AN APPENDIX TO THE 1998 CITY OF FRISCO HISTORIC DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO READ JUST A BRIEF HISTORY ON THE PROPERTY PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.

SO WILLIAM COLLINSWORTH BUILT THIS HOME CIRCA 1913.

MR. COLLINSWORTH CAME TO TEXAS FROM VIRGINIA IN 1870 AND SETTLED IN THE AREA AROUND PLANO, AND IN 1901 HE BUILT HIS FIRST COTTON GIN IN THE TOWN OF LEBANON. HE CONTINUED IN THE COTTON GIN BUSINESS IN LEBANON UNTIL HE MOVED HIS FAMILY TO FRISCO IN 1913, AND HE WENT INTO PARTNERSHIP WITH JOHN SPARKES, WHO OWNED A GIN IN FRISCO. MR. COLLINSWORTH LATER BUILT HIS OWN GIN AND OPERATED THAT FOR SOME UNKNOWN TIME.

THE PROPERTY WAS ONCE OWNED BY J.S.

HOWARD, WHO OWNED A LARGE FARM IN THE EARLY DAYS OF COLLIN COUNTY.

IN 1884, MR.

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HOWARD DONATED LAND ON THE EDGE OF HIS FARM TO BE USED AS A SCHOOL.

THE BASS SCHOOLHOUSE WAS MOVED TO THIS LOCATION THE SAME YEAR.

OVER THE YEARS, THE SCHOOL BECAME TOO SMALL FOR THE GROWING COMMUNITY AND WAS REBUILT SEVERAL TIMES IN 1912.

THE BUILDING WAS SOLD AND A NEW BUILDING WAS BUILT IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION, AND THE LAND REVERTED BACK TO THE HOWARD FAMILY.

THE 1912 BUILDING WAS SOLD TO DR.

J.M. OGLE, WHO USED THE LUMBER TO CONSTRUCT HIS HOME AT 6858 OAK STREET.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT STAFF DID SEND NOTICES IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW FOR THIS CASE.

JUST LIKE ALL OTHER ZONING REQUESTS, STAFF HAS RECEIVED ONE LETTER OF CORRESPONDENCE OPPOSED TO THIS REQUEST THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU ALL THIS EVENING PRIOR TO THE START OF THIS MEETING.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN, NOT OTR.

THEREFORE, THE OTC, OTR ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS DO NOT APPLY TO THE PROPERTY.

THIS CASE IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL THIS EVENING, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

I THINK THERE WILL BE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND DO THEY WISH TO SPEAK? YOU CAN COME DOWN AND IF YOU COULD FILL OUT A BLUE SPEAKER CARD AFTERWARDS, BUT IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, CHAIR AND THE COMMITTEE.

WE MOVED INTO FRISCO 2016.

MOVED INTO THE HOUSE IN 2019.

ME AND MY WIFE, CIDNEY, AND WE'VE GOT TWO KIDS, AND WE'D LIKE TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY AND YOU KNOW, JUST KEEP MAINTAINING IT AND JUST KEEP IT INTACT FOR THEIR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

THANK YOU. MAYBE JUST HANG OUT AND SIT DOWN THERE.

YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT HE'S GOING TO ASK YOU TO FILL OUT THAT CARD BUT THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN PUBLIC HEARING? YOU HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.

OH, YEAH, GO AHEAD. JONATHAN, CAN YOU RESTATE THE ZONING THAT'S APPLICABLE AND WHAT THAT MEANS? SURE. SO THIS PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY CIRCLED OR SQUARED HERE IN YELLOW IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN.

ONE OF THE CITY'S SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

NOT OTR, NOT ORIGINAL TOWN RESIDENTIAL.

THEREFORE, THE OTC OTR ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO PROPERTY ZONED OTC OR OTR DO NOT APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY.

THANK YOU SIR. I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, AND JUST FOR THOSE THAT MIGHT BE LISTENING, WILL YOU SAY WHAT OTR IS? ORIGINAL TOWN RESIDENTIAL.

OKAY, AND WE HAVE AN OVERLAY DISTRICT.

JUST LIKE THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT IT'S AN OVERLAY OF HISTORIC AREA.

IT'S A ZONING DISTRICT.

OKAY. YEAH. SEAN, YOU HAD A QUESTION.

SO THE PROXIMITY OF THIS HOUSE TO THE OTR, MAYBE JOHN CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

20FT. YEAH.

NO, WHY WASN'T IT INCLUDED IN OTR IF IT'S THAT CLOSE AND IT'S A HISTORIC HOME? WHEN YOU GET UP IN THIS AREA, YOU HAVE A WIDE VARIETY OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLE HOMES, AND SO THERE WAS NOT A CLEAN BOUNDARY, AND THAT WAS DONE OVER 20 YEARS AGO. SO WHAT GOT ZONED OTR MADE SENSE.

OKAY. WAS STEVE, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR WAS IT? I THINK JOHN ANSWERED THE QUESTION.

YOU SAID ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, PRIOR TO THE OTR AND SF-7, THESE PARTS OF DOWNTOWN HAD SOME OTHER PREVIOUS HISTORIC ZONING.

NO, THEY DID NOT.

THEY WERE ZONED SINGLE FAMILY, AND SO I WAS HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER IN THE DOWNTOWN EARLIER TODAY, AND SO THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT YOU KNOW, PRESERVING THE HOMES.

SO I WILL TELL YOU, BEFORE THE CREATION OF OTR, YOU CAN WALK DOWN THOSE STREETS AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE HOMES WERE BUILT, LIKE BACK IN THE 70S OR 80S, AND THEY REPLACED SOME OLDER HOMES, AND SO THAT HAD BEEN TAKING PLACE UNTIL WE CREATED THESE ZONING DISTRICTS OF OTR AND OTC.

OKAY. SO AGAIN, I WANT TO BE DIRECT THAT THERE WAS NOTHING TO PRESERVE THESE HOMES PRIOR TO THE CREATION OF THOSE DISTRICTS.

OKAY. THAT CLARIFIES, BECAUSE THAT WAS MY QUESTION, WAS THAT THESE THE OTR WAS CREATED AT LIKE ALMOST A A BLANKET ZONING FOR MULTIPLE BLOCKS OF DOWNTOWN. IT WAS CREATED AS A NEW ZONING DISTRICT, 1998.

DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN TALKED ABOUT PRESERVING HAD RECOMMENDED A LIKE A HISTORICAL DISTRICT.

I WASN'T IN SUPPORT OF DOING A HISTORICAL DISTRICT BASED ON MY KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE WITH THOSE, AND SO WE CREATED THESE TWO NEW ZONING DISTRICTS.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS ESSENTIALLY, THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE OTHER THAN YOU ARE REZONING PROPERTIES THAT WENT THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, AND

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AS WE DID, THE OTR AND OTC WERE ALL HAVE ALSO CREATED ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS FOR THE TWO DISTRICTS THAT DID NOT EXIST.

NOTHING EXISTED UNTIL WE CREATED THOSE TWO NEW ZONING DISTRICTS AND CREATED THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, AND I THINK I CAN'T REMEMBER IF YOU MENTIONED, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU PRINTED OUT WHAT WHERE THE HOME IS OR THE PICTURE OF THE HOME.

A PICTURE OF THE HOME TODAY.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT ONE.

YES. OTHER QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. SO TO BE CLEAR, PRIOR TO THE CREATION OF THE ZONE, THERE WERE NO PROTECTIONS IN PLACE.

SO THE ZONING DISTRICT WAS CREATED, BUT AT THE TIME WHEN THAT WAS CREATED, THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE WAS NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.

CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT, AND WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH THE THIS INDIVIDUAL EARLIER TODAY, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA AND JUST GOING DOWN, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT THE STREET VIEW.

I'VE GOT ONE HERE.

THEN YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL HOMES THAT WERE OBVIOUSLY BUILT, 70S AND 80S, AND SO, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIND YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE A CLEAN BOUNDARY WHERE YOU HAVE THAT ZONING BOUNDARY.

WHEN YOU GOT SOMETHING THAT JIGSAWS THAT BECOMES CHALLENGING AND IT CREATES PROBLEMS ON ITS OWN.

SO THIS NEW ZONING THAT WE'RE THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO MOVE THIS TO SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN HISTORIC LANDMARK.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND JUST SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN? THERE'S NOT ANY DIFFERENCE.

YOU'RE APPLYING THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK TO IT.

THEY'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATION, AS JONATHAN MENTIONED, WITH THE HERITAGE ASSOCIATION, AND THERE'S NO STANDARDS WITH THAT.

THAT MAKES THEM CONFORM TO COLORS OF PAINT OR ANYTHING.

NO, NOT APPLICABLE.

I DO WANT ALL THESE QUESTIONS, BUT WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONTINUE MAYBE SOME OF THESE DIALOG QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND APPLICANT.

MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 21.

YES I'VE GOT A MOTION BY SEAN.

SECOND. SECOND BY BRITTANY.

ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO FOR ITEM 21.

WE ARE IN PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 21.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN BEHALF OF ITEM 21? WONDERFUL. AFTERWARDS, IF YOU'D FILL OUT A BLUE SPEAKER CARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

I'M BRAD SHARPE.

I LIVE AT 4230 ARTISAN PARK IN FRISCO, AND I JUST SAW THIS ON THE AGENDA ABOUT HALF AN HOUR AGO, SO I THOUGHT I'D STOP BY AND CHECK IT OUT, AND I'M ALSO VICE PRESIDENT OF THE HERITAGE ASSOCIATION.

I DRIVE BY THIS HOUSE SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK, AND WHEN I SAW THE SIGNS COME UP ABOUT THE ZONING REQUEST, I WAS INTERESTED IN IT, AND I COME DOWN MAPLE WHEN I GO TO THAT AREA, AND I REALLY ENJOY SEEING THAT HOME RIGHT THERE AT THE END OF MAPLE.

IT'S REALLY KIND OF AN ICONIC HOME.

SO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO PRESERVE THAT ANY SORT OF WAY AND PROTECT IT, I'M IN SUPPORT OF.

SO I ASK YOU TO APPROVE THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

CAN I ASK--WOULD YOU FILL OUT A BLUE SPEAKER CARD? CAN I ASK BRAD A FOLLOW UP QUESTION? AS THE VICE PRESIDENT OR VICE CHAIR OF THE HISTORIC COMMITTEE? DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR BRAD? SO YOU'RE REPRESENTING THE HERITAGE COMMISSION? I'M NOT ACTUALLY REPRESENTING THE HERITAGE ASSOCIATION.

OKAY, I WILL NOT ASK HIM ANY QUESTIONS SINCE HE'S NOT DESIGNATED.

ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ITEM 21.

SEEING NONE MOVE TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

SECOND. SECOND BY SEAN.

PUBLIC HEARING PORTION HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR ITEM 21.

CONTINUE THAT DIALOG.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, THE APPLICANT, OR MAYBE SHARE SOME OF YOUR THOUGHTS BEFORE WE PROPOSE A MOTION? I HAD A COUPLE MORE ZONING QUESTIONS, SO ALL RIGHT.

YOU WANT TO GO DOWN APPLICANT QUESTIONS FIRST.

WANT TO START DOWN HERE AND WORK DOWN.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING BEFORE THE OPEN.

YES. SO JOHN, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE SF-7, WAS THAT IN EXISTENCE AT THE TIME IN 1998, OR WAS THAT SOMETHING WE CREATED SINCE THEN? NO. SF-7, WELL HOLD ON, SF-7 DID NOT EXIST AS SF-7.

IT EXISTED AS ANOTHER ZONING DISTRICT.

WHEN I GOT HERE IT WAS YOU HAD SF-1, SINGLE FAMILY ONE, SINGLE FAMILY TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE AND SIX, AND WE CHANGED THAT YEARS LATER TO WHAT IT IS LIKE.

WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN.

THE SEVEN STANDS FOR A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 7000FT² SF 8.5.

MINIMUM HOUSE SIZE OF 8500.

SO THE NUMBER DESIGNATES THE MINIMUM SIZE OF THE LOT, WHEREAS THE NUMBERS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, YOU HAD TO REMEMBER IN YOUR HEAD SOME BASIC KNOWLEDGE WHICH ONE WAS

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LARGER, WHICH ONE WAS SMALLER.

SO WE CHANGED THE ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT SF-7 EXISTED IN A DIFFERENT FORM.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING ORDINANCE TODAY, THERE'S A TABLE IN THERE WHERE IT WENT FROM THIS ZONING DISTRICT TO THIS ZONING DISTRICT.

SO WE'VE HAD ABOUT 3 OR 4 OF THOSE CHANGES IN THE LAST 40 YEARS--40 YEARS, NOT FOUR, 40 PLUS.

SO WHEN YOU SAID THAT THE DOWNTOWN AREA HAD SINGLE FAMILY ZONING PRIOR TO THE CREATION OF THE OTR, DOES THAT MEAN THAT JUST VARIOUS LOTS DOWN THERE WERE EITHER SF ONE OR 2 OR 3? MOST OF THOSE. I THINK THERE WAS LIKE SF-6 AND TRYING TO RECALL ABOUT, I THINK SOME OF THOSE LOTS WERE NON-CONFORMING BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MEET THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE.

SO TALKING TO DEVELOPERS AND PUBLIC OFFICIALS AT CONFERENCES AND LIKE THIS ONE PARTICULAR COMMUNITY, IT WAS HOLDING UP DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE YOU HAD NON-CONFORMING LOT SIZES.

SO WHAT SPURRED DEVELOPMENT IS WHEN THEY CREATE A ZONING DISTRICT MAKING THE LOTS CONFORMING, WHICH LED TO DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE DID WHEN WE CREATED THE OTR IN IT.

YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THE LOT SIZES ARE SMALLER IN THE NORTH SIDE OF MAIN STREET.

THAT'S TO REFLECT THE HERITAGE, AND THEY'RE SMALLER SOUTH OF MAIN TO REFLECT HOW THE CITY WAS DEVELOPING, SO YOU HAD LARGER LOTS TO THE NORTH, SMALLER LOTS TO THE SOUTH.

JOHN, HAS THERE BEEN ANY FEEDBACK OR CONVERSATION WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY FEELING, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, ON THE COLOR OF THE HOUSE? I MEAN, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF IN TERMS OF THE COLOR OF THE HOUSE.

THE APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT IF HE HAS HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT.

I KNOW YOU'RE ASKING JOHN OR JONATHAN, BUT I DID MAKE A PHONE CALL TO THE PRESIDENT JUST TO SEE WHAT THE INTENT OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT STANDARDS FOR THE HISTORICAL YOU KNOW, THE, EXCUSE ME, THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND THE FACADE STANDARDS FOR THE HERITAGE ASSOCIATION.

THAT WAS THE WORD I COULDN'T COME UP WITH, AND THEY DID SAY THE INTENT WAS TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT.

SO THAT WAS THEIR ANSWER.

ON WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THINGS FOR THEIR DESIGNATION, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY BEARING ON IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONVERT A HOUSE THAT'S NOT OTR TO A HISTORICAL LANDMARK DISTRICT, THAT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF INPUT. THAT'S MY THINKING.

LET ME MENTION THIS.

THIS IS A ZONING CASE, AND, JONATHAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TALKED TO THE HERITAGE COMMISSION AND THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, FOR THE APPLICANT THAT'S COMING UP IS THE COLOR OF THE WAY THE HOUSE IS PAINTED.

THAT'S THE ISSUE, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T NEED TO RESPOND TONIGHT.

WE COULD TO TABLE THIS FOR TWO WEEKS.

I GUESS I'LL PRESENT A QUESTION BECAUSE WE CAN'T JUST HAVE YOU SPEAK UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS PRESENTED.

YES, SIR. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IN THE HERITAGE HISTORICAL DISTRICT IS THERE HELD TO A, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO USE A STANDARD OR A CERTAIN PALETTE OF COLORS, AND FOR NAMESAKE WE'LL SAY IF IT'S FIVE COLORS, SIX COLORS, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT, BUT THERE ARE PALETTE OF COLORS THAT ARE APPROVED.

IF YOU ARE IN THAT HISTORICAL DISTRICT YOUR YOUR HOME CHOICE, WHICH I'M NOT PICKING FOR OR AGAINST, IS NOT INSIDE THAT PALETTE OF THE CURRENT.

THEY'RE INSIDE THE OTC.

YOURS IS NOT IN THE OTC.

YOU'RE JUST ASKING FOR THAT.

SO I GUESS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING YOU'RE NOT GOING INTO THE OTC, BUT IF YOU WERE IN THE OTC, NOW, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

YOU'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION.

IT WOULDN'T MATCH THE COLOR PINK.

SO MAYBE WALK US THROUGH YOUR INTENTION ON THE COLOR AND MAYBE A LITTLE BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF OF OF THE REASONING FOR THAT.

SO THE WHOLE PROCESS STARTED WITH THE HERITAGE ASSOCIATION.

SO I WENT IN THERE HEY LOOK, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO.

SINCE I SPOKE TO A LADY CALLED VICKY, AND ANOTHER LADY, DONNA.

SO THEY ARE LIKE MEMBERS OF THE ASSOCIATION, I GUESS, LIKE, HEY, WHAT IS THE RIGHT COLOR THAT WE WANT TO JUST PAINT IT OTHER THAN WHITE.

SO LIKE, OH, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A PREFERENCE.

LIKE MY WIFE WANTED TO PAINT IT PINK.

SO I CHECKED WITH THEM AND SAID IS IT OKAY? SO LIKE OH IT'S LOVELY, AND THEN I GOT A COMPLAINT FROM A NEIGHBOR THINKING THAT WE'RE GOING FOR A COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.

I SAID LIKE, NO, NO, NO, WE'RE NOT DOING A COMMERCIAL, AND THEN SO THERE WAS A LADY, CHERYL, I SAID, IS IT OKAY?

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EVERYTHING IS IN THE CODE? SHE SAID, THAT'S FINE.

SO WE PAINT IT PINK, AND SO APPROVAL OF THE HERITAGE, IT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND THEY ARE THE ONES WHO CAME UP WITH THE WHOLE RESEARCH OF THE HISTORY.

SO WE ADDED A LITTLE BIT FROM PREVIOUS OWNERS AND THEN EVERYTHING CAME ABOUT FROM THE HERITAGE ASSOCIATION.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

OKAY. GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.

THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION? AND THEN OKAY.

SORRY. I WAS THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING YOU HAD SAID.

SO MY QUESTION IS, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT YOUR GOAL TO GET THIS ZONING WAS TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY.

DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY OF THIS HOUSE BEING COLORED PINK? EXCUSE ME? NO, PINK WAS JUST OUR CHOICE OF COLOR.

OKAY. THAT WAS JUST A PERSONAL CHOICE? YEAH. OKAY, AND THEN MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION THAT I WAS THINKING OF WHEN YOU JUST MADE THAT COMMENT, WHEN YOU WERE SAYING YOU HAD APPROVAL FROM THE HERITAGE ASSOCIATION, WAS THERE SOMEBODY THAT YOU ACTUALLY WENT TO AND TALKED TO AND YOU, LIKE, ARE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO CITE THEM ON THE APPROVAL? LIKE THERE WAS AN APPROVAL PROCESS? NO, THERE ISN'T SUCH THINGS.

I DID CHECK. YEAH.

OH, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CITY ORDINANCE.

LIKE YOU CAN PINK PAINT ANY COLORS YOU WANT.

SO I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WE CHOSE PINK.

OKAY, SO THAT WAS IT, I GUESS.

THANK YOU. YOU CAN SIT DOWN.

THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

OKAY, AND I GUESS I'M HAPPY TO GO IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER, BUT ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT, THE STAFF OR JUST AN OPINION OF THIS PARTICULAR CASE? I HAVE SOME COMMENTS.

ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WANT TO START I WOULD LOVE TO START.

OKAY LOOK I HAVE A FEW.

SO WHAT I REALLY SEE HERE IS WE HAVE AN HISTORICAL LANDMARK ZONING, WHICH, AS WE KNOW, THERE'S ONLY THREE HOMES IN FRISCO THAT CURRENTLY HAVE THIS DESIGNATION.

SO WE HAVE 250,000 RESIDENTS IN FRISCO, BUT THREE RESIDENTS THAT OWN HOMES THAT HAVE THIS HISTORICAL DESIGNATION.

THE UNIQUE THING IS WE DON'T HAVE ANY PRECEDENT FOR AN HISTORICAL LANDMARK ZONING IN SF-7.

SO THAT'S VERY UNIQUE, AND SO I WAS THINKING LIKE, WHAT DO ATTORNEYS DO? THEY LOOK AT THE PRECEDENT SET.

RIGHT, AND SO I WAS THINKING, IF WE LOOK AT THE CURRENT PRECEDENT AT THE THREE HOMES THAT CURRENTLY HAVE THIS VERY SPECIAL, UNIQUE DESIGNATION, THEY DO HAPPEN TO BE AND OTR, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY DO HAVE THOSE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT DO DEFINE PAINT COLOR, AND I HAPPENED TEN YEARS AGO TO BE SITTING ON THE FRONT PORCH OF ONE OF THOSE HOMES WITH THE HOMEOWNER AT THE TIME, WHO WAS INSTRUCTED BY THE HERITAGE ASSOCIATION.

THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING MR. KO THAT QUESTION TO PICK FROM A VERY SPECIFIC PALETTE OF COLORS THAT MATCH WHAT THE HERITAGE ASSOCIATION WANTED FOR THAT SPECIFIC HOME.

SO SHE WAS ASKING ME, YOU KNOW, ADVICE.

SO I REMEMBER THAT PROCESS, AND SO I HAPPENED TO PULL UP, AND AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTR.

I'M JUST LOOKING AGAIN AT PRECEDENT, SINCE WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE AN SF-7 HOME WITH THIS VERY SPECIAL ZONING THAT ONLY THREE HOMES IN FRISCO HAVE, BUT UNDER THAT OTR, IT TALKS ABOUT THE COLOR PALETTES AND IT SAYS COLOR PALETTES SHOULD TAKE CUES FROM SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT OF FRISCO INTEGRITY. EXCUSE ME? INTEGRATING THE CLASSIC BASE COLORS OF TEXAS MATERIALS INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO WARM EARTH TONES SUCH AS BEIGE, TERRACOTTA, YADA YADA.

NUMBER TWO SAYS ROSE, PINKS, PLUMS AND VIOLETS SHOULD GENERALLY BE AVOIDED, AND I KNOW THAT THIS HOUSE WAS JUST RECENTLY PAINTED PINK, AND SO AS I DRIVE BY THERE AND I LOVE HEARING THE STORY AND LISTEN, MY FAVORITE COLOR IS PINK.

I'M WEARING PINK TONIGHT, SO I TOTALLY LOVE YOUR WIFE'S TASTE AND LOVING PINK, BUT AS I DRIVE BY THERE AND KNOW THAT THIS HOUSE HASN'T BEEN PINK FOR TEN YEARS, 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS, 40 YEARS.

NOT A HISTORY IN THE HOUSE BEING PINK, BUT JUST IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS BEING CHANGED TO PINK, AND THEN I THINK IF WE WANT TO STEWARD AN HISTORICAL LANDMARK, THEN WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STEWARDING IT IN THE LIKENESS OF THE OTHER HOMES THAT HAVE THIS SAME LANDMARK.

JUST BEING THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY MATCHING YOU KNOW WHAT THAT HISTORICAL PRECEDENT WAS SET, AND TO ME, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS SPECIAL, VERY SPECIAL DESIGNATION, THREE HOMES, THAT THIS ALSO HAS SOME SORT OF LIKENESS IN THAT IF IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR THOSE HOMES TO HAVE THAT, THAT FABRIC, THAT INTEGRITY OF

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HISTORICAL LOOK, THEN I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT DESIGNATION, IT SHOULD ALSO FOLLOW SUIT WITH THOSE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS AND THE COLOR PALETTE. ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL GO, AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE THAT A MONOLOGUE.

NO IT'S FINE. I HAD SOME NOTES.

CAN I ASK ANOTHER TECHNICAL QUESTION, THOUGH? I'M SORRY. JUST TO CONTINUE, JUST BECAUSE THIS IS HARD.

JOHN, CAN I ASK YOU JUST THE SF-7 HISTORIC LANDMARK? WHEN DID WE CREATE THAT ZONING CATEGORY OR CLASSIFICATION? YEAH, SAME TIME AS THIS OTHER STUFF? OKAY. LET'S SIMPLIFY THE QUESTION AND BREAK IT DOWN INTO TWO.

OKAY. YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE BASE ZONING.

IT REMAINS THAT SF-7.

WHAT YOU'RE APPLYING IS THE HISTORICAL MARKER.

SO JUST LIKE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT COMES IN AND THEY WANT A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE BASE ZONING.

YOU'RE GRANTING THAT SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

SO HERE ARE YOUR GRANTING HISTORICAL MARKER DESIGNATION.

THAT'S CALLED OUT.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.

OKAY. NOW, JONATHAN, I GOT A QUESTION AND IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME, WHEN THOSE OTHER THREE WERE CREATED, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YEARS THOSE WERE CREATED? THE REASON I'M ASKING THE QUESTION, I'M THINKING, WERE ANY OF THOSE CREATED PRIOR TO THE CREATION OF THE OTR? I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I CAN LOOK THAT UP REAL QUICK.

OKAY. AS HE'S LOOKING UP, ALL RIGHT, SEAN, NOW YOU GET TO GO.

I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS.

OKAY. WELL, FIRST QUESTION, WHEN WE TALKED TO BRAD EARLIER, HE SAID HE WAS NOT UP HERE ON BEHALF OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.

CAN WE ASK HIM TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY? NO, BECAUSE HE, OKAY, WAIT, COME UP.

COME UP, BUT AS YOU'RE COMING UP, WE'RE ASKING YOU, IS THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.

OKAY, WELL, I WANT TO BE CLEAR.

SEAN, I THINK YOU ASKED, IS BRAD REPRESENTING THE HERITAGE HERITAGE COMMISSION? NOT ON THIS CASE, BUT I CAN SPEAK TO OUR POLICIES, WHICH YOU'VE REFERENCED.

SO AS FAR AS I KNOW, IN THE EIGHT YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT COLORS OF HOMES, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY SORT OF POLICY FOR THAT I'M AWARE OF, AND WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER COLORS OF HOMES.

THERE'S NOT LIKE A ONCE YOU'RE A HISTORICAL DESIGNATION, THE HERITAGE ASSOCIATION HAS ANY INPUT THAT I'M AWARE OF.

SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERITAGE ASSOCIATION AND OUR INVOLVEMENT IN COLORS AND AUTHORITY OVER DESIGNATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY. WE ARE JUST A 501(C)(3) NONPROFIT THAT PROMOTES AND PRESERVES THE HISTORY OF FRISCO.

SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.

BEFORE HE SITS DOWN, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BRAD? NOT FOR YOU. NOT FOR YOU.

OKAY. THAT WAS HELPFUL.

THANK YOU. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK THE APPLICANT WENT AND DID HIS DUE DILIGENCE.

HE WENT AND TALKED TO THEM AND THEY HAD NO NO QUALMS WITH THE COLOR.

SO I'M GOOD WITH PASSING THIS THE WAY IT IS.

SO QUESTIONS OR GO NEXT.

WARREN.

SORRY. 7546 OAK WAS DONE IN 2000.

7604 AND 7210 OAK WERE DONE IN 2007.

OKAY, AND YOU SAID OTR WAS CREATED WHEN? OH, THAT'S JUST WHEN THOSE THREE.

OKAY.

LET'S TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHEN OTR.

THAT'S WHEN THOSE THREE WERE CREATED.

THOSE THREE HISTORIC LANDMARK CASE.

YEAH, BUT WHEN THE OTR ZONING DISTRICT WAS CREATED.

YEAH. TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

I HAVE TWO STATEMENTS.

BRITTANY, YOU ASSERTED THAT ONE OF THE PRACTICES THAT ATTORNEYS DO IS THEY LOOK AT PRECEDENT.

SO WORDS MATTER, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF AN ATTORNEY, AND EVEN THE OTR DIDN'T SAY THAT THOSE COLORS ARE PROHIBITED.

IT SAID THAT IT SHOULD BE AVOIDED.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

SURE. THE OTHER PART OF IT IS, FRANKLY, NONE OF THAT APPLIES.

IT'S NOT. IT DOES.

THIS HOUSE DOES NOT LIE WITHIN THAT ZONING.

I THINK WE HAVE A DUTY TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.

STEVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE I GO DOWN TO MICHAEL? YEAH, IT HELPED WHEN JOHN KIND OF DESCRIBED THIS AS, TO THINK OF IT LIKE AN SUP, EVEN THOUGH IT'S OFFICIALLY NOT.

I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CLEANER IF THERE WAS SOME KIND OF SUP ASSOCIATED WITH DOING HISTORIC LANDMARK.

I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT DOUBLE CHECKING SOONER.

I MADE AN ASSUMPTION THAT HISTORIC LANDMARK WAS AN OFFICIAL SPECIFIC ZONING CLASSIFICATION BECAUSE IN MY MIND, WE COULD ONLY GRANT ZONING OR GRANT AN SUP ON TOP OF ZONING.

THIS FEELS LIKE A THIRD OPTION TO ME THAT MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING, BUT FEELS OUT OF OUT OF CHARACTER OF WHAT WE NORMALLY DO.

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THAT BEING SAID, I IF I'M THINKING OF IT LIKE AN SUP, THEN I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO APPROVE ANY SUP OR ANY ADDITIONAL CLASSIFICATIONS OR ANYTHING ON TOP OF BASE ZONING.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OWNER'S WILLINGNESS TO PRESERVE THIS HOUSE.

I ABSOLUTELY DO.

I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC.

IF THIS HOUSE WAS IN WHAT LOOKED MORE LIKE A HISTORICAL CONDITION, WHETHER IT WAS COLOR OR SHAPE OR REMODELING OR ANYTHING ELSE, IF A HOUSE, ANY OTHER HOUSE IN TOWN DOES NOT CURRENTLY MATCH WITH HISTORICAL CONDITION, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO ADD ON A LABEL AS A HISTORICAL LANDMARK ON TOP OF THE ZONING, IF IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT FITS THE HISTORICAL TRADITIONAL LOOK AND FEEL OF THE HOUSE.

MICHAEL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I SUPPORT APPROVAL OF THIS.

I MEAN, IN MY MIND, IT'S NO DOUBT IT'S A HISTORIC LANDMARK.

COLOR IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT BECAUSE COLOR IS NOT REALLY RELEVANT TO THE ZONING OF THIS PROPERTY.

SO I THINK THE OWNER IS ENTITLED TO HIS SELECTION OF COLOR.

SOME OF US MAY OBJECT TO THAT, BUT IT'S A MATTER OF TASTE, AND I THINK I WANT TO GIVE HIM EVERY CHANCE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THIS INCENTIVE PROGRAM.

SO MY MIND I'M GOING TO SUPPORT APPROVAL.

TIFFANY, ANY THOUGHTS? I PRETTY MUCH AGREE WITH APPROVING IT.

I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM.

I THINK WE ARE FOCUSING ON THE WRONG THING, AND I SPENT MOST OF MY CAREER DEALING WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND SO ONE WAY YOU PRESERVE IT IS YOU HAVE TO GIVE THAT DESIGNATION, AND THEN YOU DEAL WITH THE SPECIFICS OF KEEPING THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROPERTY, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ZONING DESIGNATION, THEN HE CAN GO TOMORROW AND PAINT THE HOUSE PURPLE, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO PUT THAT DESIGNATION ON THERE.

ALL RIGHT. BEFORE I ENCOURAGE, HE WAS JUST GOING TO ANSWER A QUESTION WHEN THE OTR CAME OUT.

SO THE ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL IN DECEMBER 2000, 7546 OAK WAS GIVEN THE DESIGNATION IN SEPTEMBER OF 2000.

ONE QUESTION WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE.

I KNOW WE KEEP SAYING THE WORD PRESERVING THE HOUSE WITH AN HISTORICAL LANDMARK ZONING DESIGNATION.

WHAT BENEFIT DOES A HOMEOWNER GET SO THEY ARE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR THE CITY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAM SO THEY CAN WORK WITH FINANCE TO DO THAT? SO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO POINT OUT, SO IN THE 2019 ORDINANCE THAT TALKS AND SPEAKS TO THE CITY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAM, IT SPECIFICALLY SPEAKS TO PROPERTY THAT IS ZONED OTR.

HOWEVER, THERE IS ALSO A CAVEAT TO THAT SAYS AS WELL AS PROPERTIES THAT ARE LISTED IN THIS APPENDIX THAT WAS PART OF THE 1998 DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

SO THROUGH THE REVIEW OF THIS CASE CAME IN, WAS NOT ZONED OTR.

I DID WORK WITH FINANCE TO ENSURE THAT THIS PROPERTY WAS LISTED IN THAT APPENDIX.

SO QUESTION THIS IS GOING TO GET NITTY GRITTY A LITTLE BIT.

I KNOW WE OR TO MY UNDERSTANDING WE HAVE HOMES CURRENTLY IN OTR THAT ARE NOT THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK ZONING SINCE THOSE ARE ONLY THREE HOUSES, RIGHT? SO WE KNOW THOSE THREE ARE ON OAK STREET.

THERE ARE OTHER HOUSES THAT STILL GET THE BENEFIT OF THAT TAX CREDIT THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING.

THEY, THEY THEY HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH.

THERE'S ONLY THOSE THREE HOUSES THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH TAX CREDIT, THAT HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION, YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT.

YES, YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT.

GET APPROVED.

OKAY, BUT THEN LET ME MAKE SURE IT'S NOT AUTOMATIC BECAUSE I MIGHT I MIGHT BE SAYING MY WORDS WRONG.

IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET THE TAX CREDIT, AND I HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.

THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAM IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET IT BY BEING IN THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK ZONING.

YOU HAVE TO BE DESIGNATED AS HISTORICAL.

THAT'S WHY THIS CASE IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

SO, YOU KNOW, SO THIS A PROPERTY OWNER AT THIS ADDRESS IN THE PAST HAD RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE CITY'S FINANCE DEPARTMENT LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR

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THAT SHOULD THEY GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

SO IT'S NOT JUST A BLANKET.

YOU'RE ZONED OTR; HERE'S YOUR TAX INCENTIVE.

GOTCHA. YEAH, I SEE HERE IT SAYS THIS PROGRAM PROVIDES INCENTIVES TO OWNER OCCUPIED RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLDS IN THE ORIGINAL TOWN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

TRUE, BUT IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC RIGHT.

I HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, AND AGAIN, SO IT'S HOMES IN THE OTR AS WELL AS HOMES IN THAT APPENDIX.

THIS HOME BEING IN THE APPENDIX.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TAX CREDITS.

I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE. SEAN REAL QUICK.

I JUST GOOGLED HISTORIC COLOR PAINT COLOR PALETTES.

1919 SEARS ROEBUCK COMPANY, PINK IS ONE OF THE COLORS ON THERE.

DIFFERENT CITIES HAVE DIFFERENT LIKE SEASIDE, FLORIDA HAS.

YES, AND I'M WITH YOU ON THAT.

I THINK WHEN I READ WHAT WHEN FRISCO MADE THEIR DESIGN STANDARDS BECAUSE ME LIVING IN DOWNTOWN FRISCO, I HAD TO ADHERE TO A LOT OF VERY SPECIFIC THINGS AND I KNOW SOMEONE RIGHT NOW THAT LIVES IN A HISTORIC HOME THAT ALSO IS REMODELING IT, AND THEY HAVE TO DO VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THAT OTHER HOMEOWNERS WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO, AND IT WAS THE WHOLE IDEA OF MAKING, AGAIN, THIS FABRIC THAT DOWNTOWN FRISCO AN HISTORIC FEEL HAS A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, INTEGRITY THAT'S WOVEN THROUGH IT.

SO I DO AGREE THAT IN CERTAIN CITIES LIKE SEASIDE, FLORIDA, THE HOMES THERE ARE COLORED A CERTAIN WAY, BUT LIKE I SAID, AND I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S I WISH WE HAD SOMEONE FROM THE HERITAGE ASSOCIATION HERE.

I KNOW THEY'RE NOT A GOVERNING BOARD, BUT JUST THE STORIES.

I REMEMBER TEN YEARS AGO THAT IT WAS THE FRISCO HERITAGE ASSOCIATION THAT WAS REAL SPECIFIC ABOUT THE WORDS WERE THE BENJAMIN MOORE PALETTE.

I KNOW FOR MY HOUSE IT HAD TO BE A CERTAIN COLOR AS WELL.

THEY WERE PICKING FROM. SO BUT PINK WASN'T ONE OF THOSE COLORS, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST MENTIONED IN THE FRISCO DESIGN STANDARDS. MR. LETTELLEIR. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN CHANGE OUR PRACTICES OR ANYTHING, BUT ON FUTURE CASES WHERE THIS WERE TO COME UP AGAIN, IF WE COULD HAVE A REPORT OR? ONLY THREE HOMES. WHAT? I'D SAY THERE'S ONLY THREE OTHER HOMES.

IT'S SO RARE.

I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IN THE FUTURE, THOUGH.

I MEAN, OKAY, TEN YEARS FROM NOW, JUST TO AVOID ALL THIS, CAN WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY COULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS HISTORICAL DESIGNATION FOR REZONING SOMETHING? IT SEEMS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

WE COULD DO THAT.

I DO WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT, THOUGH.

I MEAN, I THINK BRITTANY'S TALKING TO THE SAME HOMEOWNER THAT I TALKED TO EARLIER TODAY, AND I SAID, BASICALLY IT COMES DOWN TO THE COLOR.

HE GOES, THAT'S RIGHT.

SO YOU HAVE THE COLOR.

SO IF YOU PUT THE COLOR ASIDE, DO YOU WANT TO PRESERVE THAT, SEE THE HOUSE PRESERVED OR TORN DOWN, AND, YOU KNOW, A MORE MODERN HOME IS BUILT ON THE LOT.

THAT'S THE DECISION FOR YOU.

THE APPLICANT HAS CHOSEN TO GET A TAX CREDIT, PRESERVE THE HOUSE.

YEAH. MY COMMENT WOULD BE I ABSOLUTELY AM FOR THIS HOUSE.

I THINK IT MEETS THE QUALIFICATIONS AND I OF THE FRISCO HERITAGE ASSOCIATION, AND YOUR HOUSE IS DEFINITELY A HISTORIC HOME WITH A STORY BEHIND IT AND SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL. I'M HUNG UP ON IT RECENTLY, BEING PAINTED A COLOR THAT DOESN'T MATCH THE FABRIC OF THE OF THE AREA, OF THE HISTORICAL HOMES, OF THE HISTORICAL LOOK, AND THOSE THREE VERY SPECIAL HOMES THAT HAVE THIS DESIGNATION.

THAT WAS THAT'S MY ONLY HANG UP.

I WISH IT WERE THE COLOR IT WAS BEFORE, OR I WISH YOU WOULD CHANGE IT JUST TO MATCH AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, HOLD THAT INTEGRITY TOGETHER.

I'LL ASK JOHN LETTELLEIR A QUESTION BASED ON WHAT TIFFANY SAID EARLIER WHICH MADE GOOD SENSE, RIGHT? IF WE PRESERVE THE HOUSE, WE ADD THIS HISTORICAL PRESERVATION DESIGNATION ONTO IT IN ORDER TO TRY TO PRESERVE THE HOUSE, WHAT RESTRICTIONS DOES THAT THEN PUT ON THE HOUSE AFTER WE APPROVE THIS? THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THE, YOU KNOW, SOME IF THEY WANT TO DO, WELL, LIKE, AN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE, WE MAY HAVE TO INVOLVE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IN THE CASE, BUT PRESERVING THE HERITAGE OF IT WILL BE CONSULTING LIKE THERE'S AN AMERICAN FIELD GUIDE OF HOMES IN THIS TIME PERIOD THAT WE WOULD CONSULT WITH WHEN WE GET SUCH A REQUEST COMING FORWARD.

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SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BROAD QUESTION.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL ASK IS, BUT THEY SAID WE WANT TO DO BRICK.

WELL, THAT'S NOT REALLY THAT'S NOT FITTING INTO THE HOW THE HOME IS BUILT.

IT'S A WOOD HOUSE.

IF A HOUSE, WE ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT THIS WITH SF-7 ZONING.

WHEN HOUSES ARE IF A HOUSE BURNS DOWN OR SOMETHING HAPPENS TO A HOUSE AND IT COMES DOWN AND THEY NEED TO REBUILD IT AND THEY WANT TO REBUILD IT, EXACTLY.

WOULD THIS HOUSE CURRENTLY BE ABLE TO BE REBUILT EXACTLY AS IS UNDER THE SF SEVEN ZONING? IF YOU HAVE THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK TO IT, THE PERSON WILL BE GIVEN THE CHOICE.

ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD IT BACK? IF NOT, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE THE TAX CREDIT AND YOU KNOW IF THEY DON'T BUILD BACK TO THAT, THEN WE'LL BRING IT FORWARD TO HAVE IT RESCINDED.

OKAY. IS THERE MORE TO THE ZONING THAN THE TAX CREDIT, AND AGAIN I AND MAYBE I THINK WE GOT I THINK I MIGHT ASK THIS EARLIER JONATHAN WE GOT STUCK ON. WHICH HOUSES HAD THE TAX CREDIT, BUT IS THERE MORE? WE KEEP SAYING THE WORD PRESERVING.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THEN ONCE YOU HAVE THIS ZONING BESIDES THE TAX CREDIT, THERE'S A BENEFIT TO THE HOMEOWNER OR THE HOME? GENERALLY IT'S THAT TAX CREDIT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE.

IF IF A HOUSE IF A FUTURE HOMEOWNER THAT HAS THIS DESIGNATION ON THEIR PROPERTY, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS IF THEY WANTED TO REMOVE THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION FROM THEIR PROPERTY, THEY WOULD SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO RESCIND.

IT WOULD BE LIKE REMOVING AN SUP.

MM HMM. OKAY.

WE GO THROUGH THIS SAME PROCESS OKAY.

SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS, AND NOT THAT I'M SAYING I WANT TO HEAR MORE, BUT YEAH, LET'S LET'S IF I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, IF THERE'S NOT ANY MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM 21, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 21.

I'VE GOT A MOTION BY SEAN.

I'VE GOT A SECOND BY WARREN.

ANY OPPOSE? NAY. MOTION PASSES FOUR TWO.

THE TWO THAT ARE OPPOSED WERE STEVE CONE AND BRITTANY COLBERG.

YES. STEVE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO FIRST.

THE REASON FOR OPPOSING.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ADDING HISTORICAL LANDMARKS TO PROPERTIES THAT MAY NOT CURRENTLY FIT THE TRADITIONAL DEFINITION OF HISTORICAL CONDITION.

THANK YOU. BRITTANY AND I AGAIN SUPPORT THAT THIS HOUSE WOULD HAVE THAT DESIGNATION.

AS LONG AS THE SCHEMATICS AND THE DETAILS AND THE FACADE OF THE PAINT COLOR WOULD MATCH THE OTHER HISTORICAL HOMES THAT THE PRECEDENT HAS ALREADY BEEN SET FOR.

SO I'M I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER CONE ON THIS ONE.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CONGRATULATIONS. ITEM 21 HAS BEEN APPROVED.

[Results of the November 19, 2024, City Council meeting.]

ITEM 22. RESULTS OF THE NOVEMBER 19TH, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

WE HAVE THE RESULTS.

ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS ON THE CELL TOWER ORDINANCE THAT WAS TABLED TO LAST TUESDAY TO THE DECEMBER 3RD MEETING, AND THEN JONATHAN AND I ARE MEETING WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CELL PROVIDERS.

SO COUNCIL WAS LEANING TOWARDS APPROVING AS IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED BECAUSE JONATHAN'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR 18 MONTHS.

WE GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.

YES, AND SO THERE'S WE'RE SENDING OUT A MEMO TOMORROW TO COUNCIL TO GO OVER SOME ISSUES.

THAT QUESTION BY SEAN WAS AT THE MEETING, AND ONE THING I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT JOHN DIDN'T MENTION WAS THEY WERE STRIKING THE WORD INVISIBLE TO MAKE THE TOWER INVISIBLE.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING, THAT WE KIND OF LET THAT SLIP AS WELL.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO SEE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, AND THEN ONE OF THEM WAS INVISIBLE, AND I AGREE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WANTED THAT STRUCK BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE SOMETHING INVISIBLE, BUT I ALSO I'M CURIOUS, HAS THERE BEEN GOOD PROGRESS MADE.

I KNOW YOU SAID YOU WERE TALKING.

WELL, IS IT MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION? DEPENDS ON WHAT SIDE YOU'RE ON.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S ITEM 22.

[Schedule of future discussion items.]

ITEM 23.

SCHEDULE OF FUTURE DISCUSSION ITEMS. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, AFTER THE DECEMBER 10TH MEETING, WE'LL HAVE A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS THE CHAMPION ZONING CASE.

THAT'S ONE ON DECEMBER 4TH IN THIS CHAMBER WE WILL HAVE A MEETING IN WHICH MAYOR AND COUNCIL WILL BE PRESENT TO GIVE THEIR VISION FOR THE RAIL DISTRICT, AND THIS CAME OUT OF THE CHAMBER EXCHANGE LEADERSHIP PROGRAM THAT THE CHAMBER HAD THAT WE WENT TO GEORGIA ON, AND SO COUNCIL FOR THAT DECEMBER 4TH, ARE WE COMING AS A QUORUM OR WE JUST COMING TO LISTEN? YOU CAN COME TO LISTEN.

IT'S A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AND THEN ON DECEMBER THE 5TH, THE THURSDAY THAT WILL BE A JOINT MEETING OF CITY COUNCIL, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND

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THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND COMP PLAN.

SO THERE'S BEEN MAJOR CHANGES BEEN MADE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

WE HAD A MEETING BACK IN OCTOBER THAT WAS PRODUCTIVE.

SO IT'S MAKING PROGRESS.

I'M SORRY, JOHN.

DECEMBER 4TH, WHAT TIME IS THAT MEETING? 06:00. DECEMBER 5TH HERE? THIS HERE, AND YES, IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, AND THEN THE MEETING ON THURSDAYS AT 5:30 AT THE GROVE.

PERFECT. THANK YOU.

THAT WORKS OUT GREAT. THAT'S MY ANNIVERSARY.

SO IT GIVES ME A REASON TO GET OUT OF IT.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE ON.

YOU'RE MIKE'S HOT.

SPEAKERS] ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, THERE'S ONLY ONE LAST THING.

MOVE TO ADJOURN.

THANK YOU. A MOTION BY SEAN.

SECOND. A SECOND BY BRITTANY.