>> MR. CHAIR. [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:02] >> WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING FOR THE FRISCO AND PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION. WE ARE GATHERED HERE AT 6101 FRISCO SQUARE BOULEVARD AND THE TIME IS 06:31 PM. THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION CONSISTS OF RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. TONIGHT, COMMISSIONERS PRESENT ARE BRITTANY COLBERG, JAKE PETRAS, ED KELLY, MYSELF JON KENDALL, BRIAN MORGAN, SEAN MERRELL, AND STEVE CONE. [CITIZEN INPUT] THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZEN INPUT. IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION REGARDING ANY ITEMS NOT ON THE REGULAR PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA, YOU MAY DO SO AT THIS TIME. PLEASE COMPLETE A BLUE SPEAKER CARD AND APPROACH THE PODIUM. PRIOR TO YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. OUR MEETINGS ARE RECORDED, SO PLEASE SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE. PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION NOT TO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE OR APPLICANTS PRESENT THIS EVENING. TO ENSURE THERE'S ENOUGH TIME FOR ALL THE SPEAKERS, PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES UNLESS YOU MUST ADDRESS THE COMMISSION [NOISE] THROUGH A TRANSLATOR, IN WHICH CASE YOU MAY HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 10 MINUTES. PLEASE NOTE, THE COMMISSION CAN NOT DISCUSS OR TAKE SPECIFIC ACTION DURING CITIZENS' INPUT ON ITEMS NOT ON THE POSTED AGENDA, EXCEPT TO PROVIDE A STATEMENT OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO THE INQUIRY, TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY OR TO INDICATE THAT THE MATTER MAY BE PLACED ON A LATER AGENDA. IS THERE ANYONE HERE SPEAKING IN A CITIZEN'S INPUT THAT'S NOT ON THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES. COME ON UP. IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> GOOD EVENING, I AM ROBERT GAMMON. YOU NEED ADDRESS? >> YES. >> 5850 NOBLE OAK LANE, FRISCO, TEXAS. [NOISE] WE WERE HERE GATHERED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD TO DISCUSS BOTH TOPICS FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE. WE'VE GOT ONE MAJOR TOPIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS, WHICH IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20. BUT BEFORE THAT, I DO WANT TO MAKE SOME REMARKS, SO JUST SOME STATEMENTS TO THE COMMITTEE. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME BEING IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS. IT'S AN ABSOLUTE HONOR, AND I'M SO EXCITED TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS, SO I WANT TO BE REALLY RESPECTFUL FOR THIS. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF I'M [OVERLAPPING] >> IF IT'S YOUR FIRST TIME, YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY DO IT AT THIS TIME BUT WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING DURING ITEM 20 THAT WE'LL HAVE EVERYONE AFTER IT'S PRESENTED, THE PROJECT, APPLICANT SPEAKS, AND THEN WE OPEN IT TO PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD YOU WANT TO DO IT AT THAT TIME OR NOW? >> I THINK THIS IS PERFECT FOR CITIZEN INPUT. I PUT TOGETHER A COUPLE OF WORDS. I'M HERE TO ASK REALLY FOR YOU GUYS AS PARTNERSHIP ON THIS. I THINK YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SEE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD QUITE OFTEN HERE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS IF NOT MONTHS, WERE COBB HILL, STATE OF COBB HILL TO BE PARTICULAR. I'D LIKE TO START BY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE ACTUALLY SUPPORT CURRENT ZONING THAT'S IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN OUR AREA, THE VICINITY DIRECTLY AROUND US AND THE CORE REASON FOR THAT IS ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THE CURRENT DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN PROVIDING TO US. I THINK THE CITY WEBSITE IS JUST BEEN INCREDIBLE AND I THINK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF SHARING WHAT INFORMATION WE HAVE. I WANT TO TALK FOR A SECOND ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD, IT COMES WITH ITS CHALLENGES BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY THAT IT ALLOWS US. IT LET'S STEP OUT IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSES AND GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER. IT LETS US SHARE OUR NEIGHBOR'S UNIQUE EXPERIENCES, IT LETS US SHARE IN EACH OTHER'S VISION OF THE FUTURE. THIS IS GREAT FOR A SMALL COMMITTEE HALF OF THIS MANY NEIGHBORS HERE. FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT ON OUR MIND. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS COMING IN AND OUT OF THIS AREA. IT WAS CERTAINLY ON MY MIND, MY WIFE'S MIND WHEN WE SOUGHT OUT TO BUY THE HOUSE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE VISION WE SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS DELIGHTFULLY ALIGNED, I THINK WITH Y'ALL. I THINK GOING BACK INTO VOTING RECORDS AND JUST READING THE TRANSCRIPTS AS THESE THINGS COME TO LIGHT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, IT'S GREAT TO SEE THE ALIGNMENT. I JUST WANTED TO DO A QUICK QUOTE FROM OUR MAYOR THAT IS ABOUT AN ITEM THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. BUT IF I COULD JUST QUOTE. >> IS IS ABOUT ITEM 20? >> IT IS NOT ABOUT ITEM 20. IT'S JUST CITIZEN'S INPUT. >> I HOPE THIS PHASE, WE DO WANT CITIZEN INPUT. IF IT'S NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, WE RUN A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN CITY COUNCIL. >> SURE. >> THEY DO HAVE OPEN TO IT A LOT MORE BROAD. WE ON THIS BOARD ARE ONLY PLANNING AND ZONING. WHAT WE'RE ONLY ABLE TO DO IS ITEMS THAT ARE ON OUR AGENDA. THERE'S A CONSENT AGENDA, AND THAT'S THE TIME IF YOU WANT CITIZEN INPUT AND THEN WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARING. >> ABSOLUTELY. I'M RESPECTFULLY GUYS, WHAT I'M REALLY WANTING TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS IS ZONING. SPECIFICALLY POLICIES AND THE [OVERLAPPING] >> WHAT'S THE ZONING CASE DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS ON FOR TONIGHT? THAT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. [00:05:02] >> GREAT POINT, JON. WE'RE TALKING JUST IN GENERAL ABOUT THE WAY THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS ENGAGED WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT ZONING. DURING CITIZEN'S INPUT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS JUST SET THE PRECEDENTS FOR THE FOLLOWING NEIGHBORS THAT ARE COMING UP. IS THAT OKAY? CAN I PROCEED? >> IT'S ONLY IF IT'S RELATED TO THE ZONING CASE THAT WE HAVE ON FOR TONIGHT. [OVERLAPPING] AS MR. KENDALL HAS EXPLAINED, THE CITIZEN INPUT ON P&Z IS ONLY FOUR ITEMS LISTED ON THE AGENDA, NOT SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE OR IN THE PAST. THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION'S WORKS, CITY COUNCIL, THEY HAVE BROADEN THAT BEYOND WHAT THE STATE PROVIDES. >> I'M ONLY TRYING TO COMMENT ON WHAT WE FILLED ON THE BLUE CARD ON THIS SECTION, IT SAYS NOT ON THE AGENDA WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS, AND I PUT IT IN A BRIEF SUMMARY. >> WE USE THE SAME CARDS EFFICIENCY AS CITY COUNCIL, AND I APOLOGIZE IF WE HAVE TO HAVE DUPLICATE CARDS. >> I'LL GO AHEAD AND TABLE MY COMMENTARY. I DID WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS VERY IMPACTFUL TO US. THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I'D REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS HEARING US OUT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, I APPRECIATE IT AND I WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PEOPLE. >> SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO KEEP AN EYE ON THE COMING AGENDAS FOR THE COMMISSIONS AND COUNCILS, THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU THERE, MAYBE NEXT WEEK, TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS. >> WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. I KNOW IT'S SOMETIMES NOT THE THINGS WE LIKE TO SAY OR WANTS TO BE HEARD, BUT WE APPRECIATE IT. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. >> I'M SORRY, SIR. I WAS GOING TO SPEAK IN THIS TIME. >> I DO APOLOGIZE. YES. IF YOU'RE TOUCHING ON AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA. >> IT IS. >> YES, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> SURE. MY NAME IS LANCE TAYLOR. I LIVE AT 5970 WILLOUGHBY LANE IN FRISCO. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT ITEM 20 ON THE AGENDA. >> DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME OR WHEN WE DO THE PUBLIC HEARING? >> THIS TIME WILL BE FINE. >> OKAY. >> JUST MY CITIZEN COMMENTARY. GOOD EVENING, DISTINGUISHED COMMITTEE. THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT, TAKING YOUR VALENTINE'S DAY ASIDE AND HELPING SAVE THE REST OF US FROM OUR VALENTINE'S DAY. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. AS I SAID, MY NAME IS LANCE TAYLOR, AND I'VE BEEN A FRISCO RESIDENT SINCE 2003. WE MOVED TO THE STATES OF COBB HILL IN 2007, IN THE VERY EARLY PHASES OF ITS DEVELOPMENT. TO SAY A QUIET SPOT ON THE PRAIRIE HAS CHANGED IN THE LAST 15 YEARS WOULD BE A GROSS UNDERSTATEMENT. IN THAT TIME, WE'D BEEN COMPLETELY ENCIRCLED BY COMMERCIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THE FACT THAT HISTORICALLY LEADS TO SIGNIFICANT DEGRADATION OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY VALUES. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS COBB HILL IS ON AN ISLAND. IT SHOULD BE NO SURPRISE THAT THE SHRINKING ISLAND WE FIND OURSELVES ON HAS BECOME A LONELY PLACE. WE DON'T HAVE OTHER NEIGHBORS WHO KNOW HOW WE FEEL OR WHAT IT'S LIKE TO GO THROUGH AS BEING THE SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD IN FRISCO. WE REGULARLY FEEL IGNORED AND EVEN SACRIFICED WHENEVER THE CITY OR THE FISD MAKES DECISIONS THAT AFFECT OUR SMALL COMMUNITY. OUR SMALL COMMUNITY DOESN'T HAVE THE CONNECTIONS OF THE POLITICAL CAPITAL TO CALL IN FAVORS WHEN WE'RE IN DISTRESS. ALL WE HAVE IS EACH OTHER, AND A CITY PROCESS WE'VE GROWN TO TRUST AND PUT OUR FAITH IN. IN SHORT, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ON OUR OWN, WE NEED THE WISDOM AND THE STRENGTH OF FRISCO'S DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND PROCESSES TO PROTECT US. IN MY 20 YEARS IN FRISCO, I'VE GROWN TO HAVE GREAT FAITH IN THAT PROCESS AS WELL AS YOU LEADERS WHO EXECUTE IT. I TRUST THE COLLECTIVE WISDOM OF THIS COMMITTEE AND HAVE PLACED COUNTLESS VOTES IN SUPPORT OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. I TRUST THEM TO LEAD WHEN I KNOW LEADING ISN'T ALWAYS EASY. I TRUST YOU ALL TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS THAT HAS MADE FRISCO THE REMARKABLE CITY THAT IT IS BY REMEMBERING THAT IT IS THE PROCESS THAT MAKES THIS WORK. THE FIELDS DEVELOPMENT IS A SHINING EXAMPLE OF THAT FIRST-CLASS WORK, AND WHAT COMES FROM FRISCO'S PROCESS WHEN WE ALL ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND JUST DO THE WORK. BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT HISTORY WITH THE DEVELOPER AT OASIS OF CABELL OR FOR THAT MATTER, THE DEVELOPER FOR UNIVERSAL THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT, AND FRANKLY NEITHER DO YOU. THEIR NAME HAS ONLY BEEN ON OUR TONGUES FOR ABOUT A MONTH AND WE SIMPLY HAVEN'T BUILT A RAPPORT SUFFICIENT TO TRUST THEM, AS THEY SAY, TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, AS THEY SAY. THEY SEEMED GENUINELY LIKABLE AND MAY PROVE TO BE AMERICA'S BEST DEVELOPERS BUT WE HAVE NO FIRSTHAND WORKING KNOWLEDGE TO SUGGEST THAT THEY DESERVE OUR UNFETTERED SUPPORT AT THIS STAGE OF THIS PROCESS. RATHER, THEY'RE VERY MUCH IN THE PROVEN STAGE OF OUR COLLECTIVE RELATIONSHIP. YET THE SLOW DRIP OF TROUBLING INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED [00:10:01] SUGGESTS THEY'RE FAILING AT THEIR OBLIGATION OF TRANSPARENCY. THE UNCERTAINTY AND DOUBT SO MANY CABELL RESIDENTS FEEL IS UNSETTLING AND REQUIRES US TO LEAN EVEN MORE INTO THE PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES. BUT IT SEEMS THAT FAST TRACKING OF THESE PROJECTS ARE HAVING THE OPPOSITE EFFECT. THERE'S BEEN VERY LITTLE CITIZEN INPUT TO DATE ON THE OASIS OF CABELL. THERE'S BEEN VERY LITTLE CITIZEN INPUT TO DATE ON THE UNIVERSAL DEVELOPMENT THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTS US AS WELL,. >> IF YOU CAN PLEASE KEEP IT ONCE ON THE AGENDA. >> SURE >> THANK YOU. >> SALES PITCHES AND INFORMATION MEETINGS ARE NOT THE STANDARD THAT FRISCO HAS COME TO EXPECT WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT. WE NEED TIME TO ENGAGE WITH DEVELOPERS SO THAT WE ARE BROUGHT INTO THE PLAN AND HAVE CONCRETE, MEASURABLE STANDARDS WITH WHICH TO HOLD OUR NEW PARTNERS TO ACCOUNT. FRIENDS, I'M ONE OF THE STAUNCHEST SUPPORTERS OF NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY. I HOPE YOU BELIEVE THAT. I NEVER EXPECTED THAT WE'D GET TO KEEP OUR BEAUTIFUL FIELDS RANCH LAND VIEWS FOREVER. I FULLY EXPECT THAT I CAN, AND I WILL GET ON BOARD WITH THESE DEVELOPMENTS, AND I WILL BE A VOCAL CHAMPION FOR IT TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO HARBOR DOUBT. BUT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, I NEED TO SEE AND NOD THAT THE LEADERS OF THIS CITY FOLLOW THE VERY RULES AND STANDARDS THAT YOU ENACTED TO DIRECT US THROUGH SUCH UNKNOWN PROJECT AT THIS TIME. ANY HOME DEVELOPER CAN LOOK AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND SEE WHAT WE EXPECT FROM THEM IN ORDER TO BUILD A SIMPLE HOME OR STRIP MALL OR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. BUT IT'S ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FOR AN OUT-OF-STATE BIG-NAME DEVELOPER WITH AN IDEA FOR A NEVER BEFORE SEEN PROJECT TO UNDERSTAND OUR EXPECTATIONS AFTER SUCH A SHORT ENGAGEMENT. AS SUCH, I HUMBLY REQUEST THAT THE DECISION TO ISSUE AN SUP TO UNIVERSAL OR THE ZONING CHANGE FOR THE OASIS AT CABELL BE INDEFINITELY TABLED UNTIL NORMAL CITIZEN INPUT CAN BE UNDERTAKEN. I TRUST [NOISE] YOU BECAUSE YOU'VE EARNED THAT TRUST. NOW, LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO GET THE TRUST OF THESE DEVELOPERS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] I STILL WANT TO MAKE SURE WITH CITIZEN INPUT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING CITIZEN INPUT WITH REGARDS TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] AS MENTIONED, WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. WE HAVE TWO ON THE AGENDA FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES. DO I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM 2 WITH REGARDS TO APPROVAL OF MINUTES? >> MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 2 OF THE MINUTES OF JANUARY 11TH MEETING. >> SECOND. >> A MOTION BY BRIAN. A SECOND BY SEAN. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 6, 0. [NOISE] DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR ITEM 3 ON THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES? >> MOVE TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 24, 2023 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. >> MOTION BY BRITTANY. SECOND BY JAKE. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 6, 0. I JUST BURIED MY OWN. NEXT IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. [CONSENT AGENDA] THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF ROUTINE AND NONCONTROVERSIAL ITEMS. ANY COMMISSION MEMBER MAKING SUCH REQUEST PRIOR TO MOTION AND VOTE ON THE CONSENT ITEMS MAY CONSIDER ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY AND MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK AND MAKE COMMENTS ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS MAY DO SO WITH THE MAJORITY APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSION. WE HAVE ITEMS 4 THROUGH 18. ARE THERE ANY THAT NEEDS TO BE PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? >> I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM 5 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA SO I MAY RECUSE MYSELF FROM THE VOTE. >> THANK YOU. DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR ITEMS 4 AND 6 THROUGH 18? >> MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS 4 AND 6 THROUGH 18. >> MOTION BY BRIAN. >> SECOND. >> SECONDED BY ED. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 6, 0. WE'LL EXCUSE COMMISSIONER COHEN. [NOISE] DO I HAVE [5. Final Plat: Park West, Block A, Lot 2R (FP22-0063)] A MOTION FOR ITEM 5 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 5 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY BRITTANY. A SECOND BY JAKE. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 5, 0. WE CAN INVITE MR. COHEN BACK. [NOISE] [19. Public Hearing - Replat: The Bluffs at Chapel Creek, Block A, Lot 10 (RP23-0001)] TONIGHT WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE AGENDA, AND I WANT TO REVIEW THE PROCESS. EACH PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS PERCEIVED BY A STAFF INTRODUCTION OF THE REQUEST, THE APPLICANT IS THEN PERMITTED 10 MINUTES TO MAKE HIS OR HER PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION. FOLLOWING QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF AND APPLICANT BY THE COMMISSION, THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ARE WELCOME TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. ALL SPEAKERS, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT, [00:15:02] NEED TO COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD AND PROVIDE IT TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT. IF THERE ARE ORGANIZED GROUPS IN ATTENDANCE, WE SUGGEST THAT YOU SELECT REPRESENTATIVES TO PRESENT YOUR POSITION. PLEASE AVOID REPEATING WHAT HAS BEEN STATED BY PREVIOUS SPEAKERS, OTHER THAN STATING THAT YOU AGREE WITH THEIR COMMENTS. THE TIME LIMIT IS FIVE MINUTES PER SPEAKER. TO ENSURE EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO SPEAK, THE COMMISSION MEMBERS CAN VOTE TO LIMIT SPEAKING TIME IF A LARGE VOLUME OF PEOPLE ARE WISHING TO SPEAK. PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU ONLY HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. REPEAT APPEARANCES TO THE PODIUM ARE NOT PERMITTED. AFTER ALL PERSONS HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE CASE WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER TESTIMONY WILL BE PERMITTED UNLESS CASE IS TABLED TO A FURTHER DATE AND THE COMMISSION INCLUDES IN THEIR MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO A FUTURE MEETING. AFTER CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. PLEASE NOTE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ONLY MAKES A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING ZONING CASES. UNLESS THE COMMISSION DENIES THE CASE AND THE APPLICANT DOES NOT APPEAL THE DENIAL, FINAL ACTION REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING BY CITY COUNCIL. YOU ARE ENCOURAGED TO CONTACT YOUR DEVELOPMENT STAFF AS TO WHEN THE CASE WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. AS MENTIONED, WE HAVE TWO READINGS. [NOISE] OUR FIRST ONE, ITEM 19, PUBLIC HEARING RE-PLOT THE BLUFFS AT CHAPEL CREEK, BLOCK A, LOT 10, RP23-0001. OWNERS GREG AND SHELBY KID. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? THIS? COOL. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS A SINGLE-FAMILY LOT AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REVISE THE HOA DRAINAGE AND FLOODWAY EASEMENT. CITY ENGINEERS DETERMINED THAT SINCE THE CREEK HAS A ROCK BASE, IT WOULD ALLOW THE EASEMENT TO BE MODIFIED AS SHOWN ON THE PLAT. THE PLAT CONFORMS TO RE-PLOT 20-23 THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVED ON SEPTEMBER 22, 2020. STAFF RECOMMENDS THIS FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IF NOT IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND DO THEY DESIRE TO SPEAK? [BACKGROUND] QUESTIONS? APPRECIATED. I'LL OPEN UP. I KNOW THERE'S NO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. >> DID YOU OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? >> MOTION BY ED. >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY BRIAN. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 6-0. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 19 ON THE AGENDA? SEEING NONE? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING? >> SO MOVED. >> AS SO MOVED BY JAKE. >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY SHAWN. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 6-0, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING MAJOR. DO I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION? >> MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 19 AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF. >> MOTION BY BRIAN. >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY ED. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 6-0. CONGRATULATIONS, NUMBER 19 IS PASSED. [NOISE] THIS IS OUR VALENTINE'S SPECIAL, NUMBER 20. [20. Public Hearing - Zoning: Oasis at Cobb Hill (Z21-0012)] [LAUGHTER] PUBLIC HEARING IS ZONING OASIS AT COBB HILL, Z21-0012, OWNERS, LINETH RAHI, I MADE A BATCH OF THIS NAME, SADEED, ESTEFANI, AND FRISCO INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT. TRULY FORGIVE ME IF I PRONOUNCED YOUR NAME WRONG. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. BEFORE YOU ALL TONIGHT IS A REQUEST TO RAISE ON THE PROPERTY SHOWN HERE FROM AGRICULTURAL TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT TOWNHOME. BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THE PARTICULAR STANDARDS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS PROPERTY IS A LONG, NARROW TRACT. IT DOES HAVE THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE FISD PROPERTY TO THE EAST AND THE SOUTH AND THEN STREETS OF COBB HILL AND FRISCO STREET. COBB HILL BEING TO THE NORTH AND FRISCO STREET BEING TO THE WEST. EVEN WITH THESE CONSTRAINTS, STAFF AND THE APPLICANT HAVE WORK TOGETHER TO DEVELOP STANDARDS THAT DO LEND THEMSELVES TO ATTRACTING PEOPLE, ENCOURAGING SOCIAL INTERACTION, AND CREATING COMMUNITY. THERE'S ONE SPECIFIC EXHIBIT THAT I WANT TO TALK OF THIS EVENING ON THAT BEING THIS EXHIBIT HERE. LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT. THE CITY'S STANDARD TOWNHOME DIMENSIONS ARE 25 BY 100. EARLY RENDITIONS OF THIS SHOWED THE TOWNHOME LOTS MEETING THAT 100-FOOT LOT DEPTH. [00:20:08] BUT IN THOSE RENDITIONS, THE OPEN SPACE WAS ONLY 50 FEET WIDE. STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WERE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER TO REDUCE THE LOT DEPTH FROM 100 FEET TO 75 FEET AND THEN TAKE THOSE ADDITIONAL 25 FEET AND PUT THEM INTO THE OPEN SPACE. ALL OF THE OPEN SPACE AREAS HAVE NO DIMENSION LESS THAN 100 FEET. THEY'RE MUCH MORE MEANINGFUL. THESE OPEN SPACE TRACKS, AND I'LL GO BACK TO THIS EXHIBIT HERE. YOU CAN SEE FOUR OF THEM ACROSS THE PROPERTY. THEY ACCOUNT FOR 1.6 ACRES, WHICH IS ABOUT 20.8% OF THE PROPERTY, THIS EXCEEDS THE CITY STANDARD OF 15%, WHICH IS THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE TYPICALLY REQUIRED FOR TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENTS. EACH OF THESE OPEN SPACE TRACKS WILL BE DESIGNED INDIVIDUALLY, EACH ONE A BIT DIFFERENT IN ACCORDANCE WITH EXHIBITS A1 THROUGH A4, ALL EXHIBITS THAT WILL BE TIED DOWN WITHIN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. ON TOP OF THAT, THIS DESIGN DOES ALLOW 77% OF THE LOTS. TOTAL LOT COUNT HERE IS 54 LOTS, SO 77% OF THOSE LOTS WILL FRONT DIRECTLY ONTO THE OPEN SPACE. ALL OF THE LOTS WILL EITHER INCORPORATE A FRONT PORCH, MEETING THE FRONT PORCH STANDARDS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, OR A STOOP BEING REQUIRED TO BE 24 SQUARE FEET. TOWNHOME ELEVATIONS TO ENSURE THAT IT'S NOT MONOTONOUS, NOT EVERY TOWNHOME LOOKING JUST LIKE THE NEXT ONE, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A FEW DIFFERENT CHARACTER IMAGES SO THAT EACH TOWNHOME BUILDING WILL NOT BE EXACTLY LIKE THE ONE NEXT TO IT. THEN THE LAST THING THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT INTERESTING ABOUT WHAT WE DID HERE. WHEN WE TOOK 25 FEET OUT OF THE LOT, IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE DIDN'T REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE PRODUCT ITSELF. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GOT A STANDARD TOWNHOME PRODUCT ON THESE LOTS. WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE STANDARDS ACCOMMODATE A ZERO-FOOT FRONT YARD. THE FRONT OF THE TOWNHOME IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ZERO-FOOT LINE AND THEN THERE ARE ACCOMMODATIONS TO ALLOW FOR ENCROACHMENTS OF THE FRONT PORCHES AND THE STEPS. THIS REQUEST DOES COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN DOES DESIGNATE THIS PROPERTY AS SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, MEANING 100% RESIDENTIAL USES. STAFF DID SEND A COURTESY EMAIL TO ALL HOAS WITHIN 1,500 FEET. AT THE TIME THIS STAFF REPORT WENT OUT, STAFF HAD NOT RECEIVED ANY PROJECT INPUT FORMS. HOWEVER, SINCE THE PUBLICATION OF THE STAFF REPORT, STAFF HAS RECEIVED A NUMBER OF PROJECT INPUT FORMS, MOST OF THOSE PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION PRIOR TO THIS EVENING'S MEETING. THIS PROJECT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL THIS EVENING SUBJECT TO THE EXHIBIT THESE STANDARDS NOTED WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT IN THE ASSOCIATED EXHIBITS. WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> THIS TIME YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR DO YOU WANT TO HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENT? >> [OVERLAPPING] I HAD ONE QUESTION JUST FOR STAFF, JUST FOR SOME CONTEXT HERE ON THE DESIGN OF THIS, WHERE THE ALLEYS ARE FACING DIRECTLY ONTO A STREET, LIKE COBB HILL DRIVE. CAN YOU GIVE SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OTHER PLACES IN FRISCO WHERE WE'VE SET IT UP LIKE THAT? >> I'M NOT SURE. >> THAT'S A CONCERN. THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL STRAIGHT TO THE NORTH. YOU HAVE ALLEYS INTERSECTING RESIDENTIAL STREETS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. >> I GUESS I WAS CONSIDERING COBB HILL DRIVE NOT A TRADITIONAL LIKE AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL STREET. I DON'T RECALL IF THOROUGHFARE OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT SEEMS DIFFERENT THAN INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DO THESE INSIDE NEIGHBORHOODS ALL THE TIME. WE'RE AN ALLEY FACES A NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL STREET. JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN MORE OF AN AREA, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU LABEL IT, BUT NOT A TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL STREET. MY QUESTION IS, I DON'T RECALL SEEING THIS PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE DRIVING PAST A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVING ALLEY STRICTLY OUT ONTO IT. NOT IN FRISCO, I'VE SEEN IT IN CARROLL DEMPSEY AND OTHER PLACES, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS HERE. [00:25:02] >> IS AN ORDER FROM ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE IN FRISCO. >> COBB HILL IS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR. > WAS CLASSIFIED AS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR STANDARD. >> I HAD ONE QUESTION FOR JOE. >> I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION FOR TONY STARK. >> FOR THOSE AS HE COMES UP, JOE IS OVER TRAFFIC IN FRISCO. >> THANKS, JOE. WHAT IS THE TOTAL RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR COBB HILL? >> A TYPICAL RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR IS 60 FEET OF RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> IS TP A RIGHT-OF-WAY? CURRENTLY, I KNOW THE BOUNDARIES ARE A LITTLE AWKWARD IN THIS AREA, BUT THE CURRENT ROADWAY IS 24 FEET IN WIDTH. IN ADDITIONAL WHAT YOU HAVE SENT IN MY EMAIL EARLIER SO THEY'LL NEED AN ADDITIONAL SIX FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY, I'M SORRY. >> WHAT'S UNUSUAL IN THESE CASES WHEN THERE IS AN EXISTING GRAVEL ROAD, USUALLY, THOSE GRAVEL ROADS ARE LIKE OLD COUNTRY ROADS AND SO FORTH AND THEY'RE WITHIN WHAT'S CALLED PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT-OF-WAY. USUALLY, HALF OF THAT PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS ON EACH PROPERTY. WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN AND DEVELOPS ONLY ONE SIDE OF A FUTURE ROAD, BOTH SIDES ARE TECHNICALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR HALF THE ROAD, BUT YOU CAN'T BUILD EXACTLY HALF OF A ROAD BECAUSE THEN IT WOULDN'T REALLY BE FUNCTIONAL. WHOEVER COMES IN FIRST HAS TO BUILD A LITTLE MORE THAN HALF. A THREE-SIXTH FOOT WIDE ROAD NEEDS WOULD BE 18 FEET HALF AND HALF, BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT SO WE DO 24. THEY DEDICATE 30 FEET OF RIGHT-OF-WAY ON THEIR SIDE. THEN PLUS YOU CAN USE THE PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT-OF-WAY, THE HALF OF THE ROAD THAT'S STILL IN THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S IN PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT-OF-WAY. YOU CAN BUILD ON THAT AS WELL BECAUSE IT'S STILL RIGHT OF WAY. IT HASN'T BEEN DEDICATED TO US, BUT IT'S PRESCRIPTIVE OVER A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YEARS, IT'S BEEN USED AS A ROAD, IT CAN CONTINUE TO BE USED AS A ROAD. IN THAT WAY, YOU HAVE MORE THAN HALF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO BUILD IN. IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED. IT'S LIKE WE'RE DEALING WITH HOUSE, BUT A LITTLE MORE THAN HAVES IN ORDER TO MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL. BUT THEN IN THE FUTURE WHEN THE NORTHERN PROPERTY DEVELOPS, THEY WILL DEDICATE THEIR HALF OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. IT'LL COVER THAT PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT-OF-WAY WITH OFFICIAL RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE 60 FEET OF RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> SURE I FOLLOW. ROADWAY IS CURRENTLY 24 FEET? >> YES. >> FUTURE BUILD-OUT WITHIN BOTH PROPERTY OWNERS DEDICATED AND CONSTRUCTED IT WILL BE AT 36 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY? >> YES. >> THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL EIGHT FEET, FOUR ON EACH SIDE ROUGHLY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR STREETSCAPE AND SIDEWALKS, ETC. >> RIGHT. >> MY CONCERN IS THE LANDSCAPE THAT WE'RE DESIGNING ALONG THAT FRONTAGE, WHENEVER THESE ROADWAYS ARE CONSTRUCTED, I DON'T WANT THAT LANDSCAPE TO GO AWAY. >> IT WILL NOT. THE ZONING EXHIBIT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE LAND FOR IT. THAT IS WHAT THE LANDSCAPE YOU SEE ON HERE IS WHAT WILL BE PROVIDED AT ULTIMATE BUILT OUT. >> VERY GOOD. THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED. THANK YOU. >> JAKE BASICALLY ASKED MY QUESTION BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, SO ON BUILD, THAT WILL BE 36-FOOT SO IT'LL BE TWO WAY LEFT TURN LANE IN THE MIDDLE? >> TYPICALLY, WHEN OUR COLLECTORS WE DON'T, UNLESS THERE'S SOME SITUATION THAT REQUIRES US TO DO THAT BUT TYPICALLY A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR ROADWAY JUST IS 36 FEET WIDE WHICH IS TWO WIDE LANES, ONE IN EACH DIRECTION WHICH ALLOWS PARKING ACTIVITY OR SOMETHING ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, ALLOWS US THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING BIKE LANES ON THEM PERHAPS. BUT USUALLY, WE DON'T PUT A TWO-WAY LEFT TURN LANE UNLESS THERE'S A HIGH CAPACITY OR A HIGH-DEMAND TURN SITUATION SOMEWHERE. >> THAT'S MY QUESTION THANKS. >> I HAVE A FOLLOW ON QUESTION ON WHAT WE SAID EARLIER SINCE JOEL IS ALREADY UP THERE. NOW THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THIS AS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR ROAD AND THAT ALLEYWAYS ARE ALLOWED OFF OF RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR ROADS, IS THERE A LENGTH RESTRICTION? I'M JUST THINKING THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET TO THE NORTH IF THEY WANTED TO MIRROR THIS DEVELOPMENT AND DO A STRAIGHT ALLEY COMING OFF OF THIS ROAD HOW FAR COULD THEY GO BEFORE THEY HAD TO TURN? >> SO OUR STANDARDS LIMIT ALLEYS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ALLEY LENGTH, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? [OVERLAPPING] >> YEAH, I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST THE ALLEYS. >> YEAH. SO WE HAVE A LIMIT OF 800 FEET, IS THE LONGEST AN ALLEY CAN BE BEFORE IT HAS TO CHANGE DIRECTIONS. BUT ONCE YOU HIT A STREET LIKE COBB HILL THEN THAT STARTS OVER, SO THERE CAN BE 800 FEET OF ALLEY TO THE NORTH IF SOMEONE DESIGNED IT IN SUCH A WAY, BUT YES. [OVERLAPPING] >> FOR COMPARISON HOW LONG ARE THESE ALLEYS FROM THE SOUTH HERE? I CAN'T SEE IT. >> I CAN'T EITHER. DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. >> JUST ABOVE BALLPARK. >> IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 180 ROUGHLY. [OVERLAPPING] >> OKAY, YES. >> IT'S GOING FROM EDGE TO EDGE, [00:30:02] ROUGHLY 180 MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS. >> GOOD. SO ROUGHLY 180 IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE OR SO, CODE WOULD ALLOW BUILDING AN 800-FOOT ALLEY PARALLEL OR NOT PARALLEL BUT OPPOSITE THESE TO THE NORTH? >> SO FOR INSTANCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU WERE TO BUILD ALLEYS THAT WAY? >> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ENVISIONING. >> THAT IS OUR LIMIT, IS 800 FEET FOR ALLEY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. >> NOTHING ELSE? IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND DO THEY WISH TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT, YOU'VE GOT 10 MINUTES. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. MY NAME IS LUKE FRANZ WITH JACKSON WALKER AT 2323 ROSS AVENUE. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE. WE FILED THIS CASE IN APRIL OF 2021 AND I WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH STAFF FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW. AS JONATHAN HAS SHARED IN THE REPORT AND THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, THERE ARE SOME SIDE CONSTRAINTS WE WORKED THROUGH THEM WITH STAFF TO GET THIS DEVELOPMENT IN ALLIANCE WITH THE SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THEIR WORK THROUGH ALL THIS. OUR TEAM IS HERE TONIGHT; SAMEER WALVEKAR FROM URBAN GENESIS AS DEVELOPER AND THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE. WE ALSO HAVE ENGINEER ANTHONY LOEFFEL WITH KIMLEY-HORN, WHO'S OUR ENGINEER IN THIS CASE. WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE THROUGHOUT THE EVENING AND WE RESPECT TO REQUEST YOUR ACCLAMATION OF APPROVAL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WITH THAT, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, DO I HAVE A MOTION OPEN PUBLIC HEARING? >> ALL MOVED. >> MOTION BY? BRITTANY. [LAUGHTER]. >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY SHAWN. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ANY OPPOSE? >> MOTION PASSES 6-0, WE ARE NOW IN PUBLIC HEARING. I'VE GOT THREE BUT IF THERE IS SOMEONE THAT DIDN'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THEIR NAME PLEASE FEEL FREE TO FILL OUT A BLUE SPEAKER CARD. >> IF I CALL YOUR NAME, COME ON UP. ROBERT GAMMON. >> YES. >> IF YOU WANT TO COME ON AND SIT BEHIND HIM, THERE'S BARRY AND MCGUIRE, AND IS IT LUKE FRANZ? >> I KNOW YOU ALREADY DID IT BUT JUST OUR PROCESS IS NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN. >> YEAH. ROBERT GAMMON, 5850 NOBLE OAK LANE. [NOISE] THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME BACK UP AND SPEAK. I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION FOR OASIS AT COBB HILL SHOULD BE AT LEAST DELAYED AS WE'VE BEEN MAKING DECISIONS AND WE'VE BEEN LEARNING MORE ABOUT THIS PROCESS AS A NEIGHBORHOOD. I TOOK A PICTURE, I CAN'T SHARE WITH YOU GUYS NOW BUT I WILL EMAIL IT TO YOU GUYS AFTERWARDS, OF ONE OF THE SIGNS THAT NOTIFIED OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT'S ABOUT 150 FEET BACK ON A DIRT ROAD, THAT NONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE EVER CONSIDERED TO GO DOWN TO CHECK, WE'VE SEEN THIS HOUSE OVER YEARS AND NEVER REALLY HAD ANY QUESTION ABOUT IT. BUT I WILL SEND IT TO YOU GUYS AS AN EXHIBIT, I UNDERSTAND THAT I CAN'T ENTER THAT IN RIGHT NOW, BUT I DID WANT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ABOUT THE OVERALL EXPERIENCE WE'VE HAD WITH THIS SPECIFIC DEVELOPER. EARLIER, THE STATEMENT WAS MADE THAT THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO NOTIFY THE HOAS. AS A COURTESY, WE APPRECIATE THAT. WE'VE ACTUALLY RECEIVED WORD BACK FROM OUR HOA BOARD THAT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY INDICATION TEXTS, PHONE, EMAIL, OR CALL FROM THE SAID DEVELOPER SO REALLY SHOCKING TO US THAT THERE WAS A NOTIFICATION MADE. I'M GOING TO READ A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT THAT I THINK YOU GUYS MIGHT FIND INTERESTING. AS WE KNOW MANY THINGS ARE CHANGING AROUND OUR COBB HILL NEIGHBORHOOD, WE DEFINITELY EMBRACE THE CHANGE. WE BICKER ABOUT TRAFFIC AND OF COURSE, WE EMBRACE FOR THE UPCOMING DEVELOPMENTS. FIRST, WHAT WE'RE MOST LOOKING FORWARD TO, FRISCO STREET BEING COMPLETED. AS WE KNOW THAT FRISCO STREET WILL COME RIGHT OFF OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND WE'RE CONSIDERING THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT OUR KIDS WALKING BACK AND FORTH FROM MEMORIAL SO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS DIRECTLY ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND THIS IS DEFINITELY THE THOROUGHFARE IF YOU GUYS HAVE EVER BEEN OVER THERE WHEN SCHOOL LETS OUT, IT'S SKATEBOARDS AND HOVERBOARDS AND KIDS WALKING ON THEIR PHONE SO MEANINGFULLY CONCERNING FOR US. BUT WITH FRISCO STREET COMING IN, WE'RE LESS CONCERNED THESE CARS WILL BE EXITING FRISCO STREET, SO I THINK WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. SPECIFICALLY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE HEARING US THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY VERY MUCH SO EXCITED ABOUT MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT CLOSE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SO SPECIFICALLY ALLOWING THESE TO BE TOWNHOMES THAT ARE ATTRACTIVE TO FUTURE RESIDENTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT MAKES OUR COMMUNITY SPECIAL IS THE PEOPLE AND EXPERIENCES WE HAVE TOGETHER, SO THE PROPOSED SPACE IN THE AREA IS VERY IMPRESSIVE. I DO WANT TO SAY, I'VE BEEN A BIG FAN OF THE OPEN SPACES ORDINANCE THAT YOU GUYS PASSED, 20.8 PERCENT IS INCREDIBLE, IT'S GREAT, I WISH ALL OF THEM DO THAT. BUT IT DOES LACK THE DIMENSIONS TO BE TRULY COMMUNITY GATHERING. I LIVED FOR YEARS IN AN APARTMENT COMMUNITY CALLED AUSTIN RANCH WHO HAD ROUGHLY THE SAME SPACES AS AN APARTMENT COMMUNITY SO THIS LOOKS A LOT TO ME JUST LIKE THAT UNUSED SPACE IN THE MIDDLE. [00:35:02] IN OUR OPINION, WE'RE NOT ATTRACTING HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE FOR THE LONG RUN. I THINK THIS IS A PROPERTY IN OUR OPINION THAT IS GOING TO ATTRACT INVESTORS SET ON PURCHASING LOW AND RENTING BACK HIGH GIVEN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. SO I WANT EVERY ONE OF YOU GUYS JUST PICTURE THIS; ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WE'VE GOT OUR HOA, WE'VE GOT GOOD CONTROLS OVER HOW WE GO THROUGH PROCESSES, HOW WE INVOLVE OURSELVES, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT OUTSIDE OF OUR SCHOOL, AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT REALLY IS NET NEW TO THE AREA, AND THESE LOWER-END TOWNHOMES, WE FEAR THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A PRETTY EASY GRAB FOR AN INVESTOR. WE DO FUNDAMENTALLY SUPPORT THE DENSITY THOUGH, AND ALL THE MULTIFAMILY THAT'S DIRECTLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS ROADSIDE. I'M SURE YOU GUYS CAN TOTAL THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT'S AT THE OTHER END OF THIS ROAD SO I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THIS AREA IS REALLY STARVING FOR MULTIFAMILY OR A LITTLE BIT HIGHER DENSITY, BUT I DO SAY THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT, AS IT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A BIT PREMATURE. WE HAVEN'T ENGAGED YET WITH A DEVELOPER, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE SOME FEEDBACK ON THE FACADES, AS YOU KNOW OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS PRETTY HOMOGENOUS, SO THE FACADES OF THE HOUSES ARE ALL FAIRLY SIMILAR AND THERE'S JUST A LOOK AND FEEL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'D LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THAT WITH A DEVELOPER, BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE REALLY NEED YOU GUYS TO STAY THE VOTE FOR JUST AT LEAST ANOTHER FOUR WEEKS SO THAT WE CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM, HAVE SOME MEETINGS. YOU CAN CLEARLY TELL WE'RE ACTIVE, SO WE'D LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. MOREOVER, THE LAST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS SPECIFICALLY THE PARKING SPACES. THIS IS THE HIGH SCHOOL PARKING LOT RIGHT DIRECTLY BEHIND THAT. THERE ARE RIGHT NOW 23 SPACES ALLOTTED FOR THIS AND THEY'RE 54 UNITS. A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE LIVING IN THESE HOMES, WE CAN ALMOST ASSUME HAVE TEENAGE KIDS, MAYBE THERE'S TWO OR THREE CARS. I THINK WHEN WE START TO LOOK AT THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND WE START TO LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS HERE, IT JUST FEELS A LITTLE PREMATURE. THAT'S A FAIRLY BIG DEVIATION THERE, 23 SPACES, 54 UNITS. [NOISE] THIS OBVIOUSLY CREATES UNNECESSARY SAFETY HAZARDS IN AND AROUND THE KIDS WALKING FROM SCHOOL. BUT WE WOULD SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF TOWNHOMES FOR SURE IN THE DIRECT VICINITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK AS LONG AS THEY'RE INTENDED FOR LONG-TERM RESIDENTS WHO SHARE THE DESIRE TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY SOMETHING THAT WE ALL SHARE. THERE ARE MANY OF THESE EXISTING TODAY IN FRISCO. I THINK WE ALL KNOW THEM, THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL. I THINK IT'S GREAT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SMALLER UNITS THAT COULD BE PURCHASED BY YOUNGER FAMILIES OR PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DROP $1 MILLION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TOLLWAY. SO WE DEFINITELY WELCOME THEM, BUT WE DO BELIEVE THE FACADE ALONE, THE PARKING, JUST THE GENERAL SHAPE OF THIS, I THINK THE COBB HILL NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE A CHANCE TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER BEFORE YOU GUYS APPROVE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING TO MY TAKE FOR THE SECOND TIME TONIGHT, AND WE HOPE YOU TAKE MY CONSIDERATION. THANKS. >> THANK YOU. [NOISE] [APPLAUSE] >> MY NAME IS BARRY MAGUIRE, 5998 LAUGHLIN DRIVE FRISCO. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK ALL YOU ALL FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO FOR THE CITY OF FRISCO. BEING IN A LEADERSHIP POSITION IS DIFFICULT AT TIMES. I APPRECIATE YOU AND THE POSITIONS THAT YOU HOLD. AGAIN, MY NAME IS BARRY MAGUIRE. I'M A MULTI-BUSINESS OWNER HERE IN FRISCO, MEMBER OF THE COBB HILL HOA COMMITTEE. CURRENTLY STUDYING ALL THE CHANGES HAPPENING AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW IT COULD POTENTIALLY AFFECT US. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF A WASTE AS A COBB HILL WITHIN 1,000 FT OF MY HOME AND VISIBLE FOR MY SECOND FLOOR. ALTHOUGH THE PAPERWORK SAYS THAT HOA IS WITHIN 1,500 FT, GOT NOTICE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND ZONING CHANGE, OUR HOA DID NOT RECEIVE THAT COMMUNICATION. I WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HIGH SCHOOL AREAS ALMOST DAILY AND JUST NOTICE THE ZONING SIGNAGE ABOUT A WEEK AGO, SO I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT THE SPEED AT WHICH THIS PROJECT IS MOVING AND I HAVE SOME CONCERNS REGARDING ITS DESIGN AND IMPACT ON THE CITY'S FUTURE VISION. LET ME START BY SAYING THAT I'M NOT AGAINST TOWN HOMES. WHEN MY WIFE AND I MOVED TO FRISCO FROM NEW ORLEANS IN 2006, WE STAYED WITH A FRIEND THAT OWNED A TOWNHOME IN BELLICOSE. WHILE WE WERE THERE FOR ONLY ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF WHILE OUR HOUSE IN COBB HILL WAS FINISHED, WE MET MANY PEOPLE DURING OUR SHORT STAY WHO'VE BECOME SOME OF OUR CLOSEST FRIENDS. AMENITIES LIKE THEIR POOL, GYM, COMMON IN FIELD AREAS HELP FACILITATE THAT. ACCORDINGLY TO THE SUBMITTED PLANS FOR OASIS, THE ONLY AMENITY IN THIS COMMUNITY WILL BE SMALL GREEN AREAS. TO ME, THIS WILL DETER BUYERS WHICH WILL LEAD TO LOWER VALUES. THE LAYOUT OF THE GRASS AREAS IS ENTRANCES TO THE TOWN HOMES REMIND ME MORE OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES, NOT TOWNHOME COMMUNITIES. PROBABLY BECAUSE EVERY APARTMENT COMPLEX I LIVED IN THROUGH COLLEGE HAD A SIMILAR DESIGN. I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT DUE TO ITS PROXIMITY, INVESTORS WILL LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY AS SHORT TERM RENTALS FOR THE PROPOSED NOT DISNEY RUN THEME PARK. THIS DOES NOT FOSTER A SENSE OF COMMUNITY NOR FURTHER [00:40:04] ENCOURAGE SOCIAL INTERACTION AS THE COMMENTS ON THE PLAN SUGGEST. ONE OF MY BIGGEST ISSUES WITH THE DESIGN OF THIS PROPERTY IS ACCESS, PARKING AND LACK OF PHYSICAL STREETS. I QUESTION WHY ALL THE ALLEYWAYS FOR THE COMPLEX HAVE A DIRECT ACCESS TO A MAJOR STREET. I CONSIDER CAMP HILL DRIVE. THIS IS NOT SAFE NOR IN KEEPING WITH THE IMAGE OF FRISCO. THERE IS 54 UNITS PROPOSED, BUT ONLY 23 PARKING SPACES IN THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT. WHAT OF VISITORS OR FAMILIES THAT HAVE MORE THAN TWO VEHICLES EXPECTED TO PARK? TOWNHOME COMMUNITIES LIKE BELLICOSE IN THE CANALS HAVE PLENTY OF OWN STREET PARKING, WHERE THIS COMMUNITY LITERALLY BARELY HAS A SINGLE STREET. THE REAR DRIVEWAYS FROM THE PLAN LOOK TO BE ONLY 13 FEET DEEP. THE AVERAGE LENGTH OF A VEHICLE IS 14.7 FEET WITH MIDSIZE AND DENSE AVERAGING 14 FEET. MOST VEHICLES WILL NOT FIT IN THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY WITH EACH UNIT, WHICH WILL FURTHER CAUSE PARKING ISSUES INSIDE THEIR COMMUNITY. BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER DID NOT REACH OUT TO OUR COMMUNITY WITH INFORMATION, WE HAVE NO IDEA OF THE EXPECTED QUALITY NOR ASKING PRICES OF THIS COMMUNITY. WHEN I SHOWED MY WIFE THE EXPECTED FACADE ACCORDING TO THE IMAGES SUPPLIED TO YOU, FIRST THING SHE SAID WAS, IT LOOKED LIKE FLAT HOUSE ROOF FROM COLLEGE. THEY DO NOT LOOK TO THE CALIBER NOR VALUE OF EXISTING STRUCTURES IN THE AREA, INCLUDING MEMORIAL HIGH SCHOOL THAT SHARES THE PERIMETER LINE, ANY EXISTING NEARBY APARTMENT COMPLEXES. IN MY OPINION, OUR IMMEDIATE AREA NEEDS MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, NOT APARTMENTS OR TOWN HOMES. WE AS COBB HILL, OUR SMALL COMMUNITY IS BEING SWALLOWED BY EVERYTHING EXCEPT HOMES, WHICH WORRIES ME FOR OUR FUTURE PROPERTY VALUES AND QUALITY OF LIVING. WHILE I REALIZED THAT THE PLOT OF LAND IS ODD SIZE, AND SMALL, I FEEL FROM THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO THE CITY THAT A BETTER PLAN FALLS WITHIN ALREADY ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY STANDARDS IS NEEDED AND THAT IN ITS CURRENT FORM, THIS PROPOSED COMMUNITY IS NOT WHAT I BELIEVE THE VISION OF FRISCO WOULD BE BASED ON THE WORK YOU HAVE SO DILIGENTLY PUT INTO OUR CITY. AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I UNDERSTAND MAXIMIZING THE RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT BEING PUT INTO THIS PROPERTY, BUT I FEEL IT CRAMMING AS MANY UNITS AS POSSIBLE WHILE SEEMINGLY SKIRTING SOME GROUND RULES THAT HAVE MADE FRISCO A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE IS NOT THE SOLUTION FOR THIS PROPERTY. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME. I ASKED THAT A MINIMUM, YOU TABLE THE DECISION ON THE PROJECT TO A LATER DATE, SO WE'LL RECEIVE MORE COMMUNITY INPUT. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU. >> LAST BOOK I HAVE IS FOR LUKE FRANZ, BUT LUKE LOOKS TO BE AN APPLICANT, NOT A REPRESENTATIVE. [NOISE] >> BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY. WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT THAT WANT TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 20? SEEING NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING? >> SO MOVED. >> MOTION BY ED. SECOND BY SHAWN. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 6:0. OUR PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT AND THOSE THAT CAME AND SPOKE AND THEN CAME IN SUPPORT ALSO. AS EXPECTED, I THINK THE APPLAUSE LESS NOWHERE THAT REST OF YOU STOOD UP ON IT. NOW I GUESS I'LL START DOWN HERE. BRITTANY, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR STAFF, THE APPLICANT? >> HI GUYS. I WAS GOING TO GO FIRST. I DO HAVE NOTES THOUGH. >> SORRY. >> I CAN'T HAVE STEVE GO FIRST EVERY TIME. >> I KNOW. [LAUGHTER] HE LOVES A COCKTAIL TOO. JONATHAN, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? >> SURE. >> I UNDERSTAND A FEW PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONED THAT THE HOA WAS NOT NOTIFIED AND I KNOW YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THE HOA WAS, CAN YOU ELABORATE MORE ON THAT NOTIFICATION PROCESS? >> SURE. THE CITY MAINTAINS AN HOA DIRECTORY AS FAR AS WHO THE CITY HAS ON FILE FOR THE VARIOUS HOAS ACROSS THE CITY. IN MANY INSTANCES, THAT IS THE HOA MANAGEMENT COMPANY, SO THAT IS WHO THE CITY HAS ON FILE FOR COPY AND THAT IS WHO THEY EMAIL IT TO. >> GOT YOU. THANK YOU. THEN, CAN YOU GIVE ANY OTHER FEEDBACK AS FAR AS THIS SIGNAGE? I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY HAS CERTAIN RULES ON WHERE THE NOTIFICATION SIGNS ARE PLACED AND SO FORTH. CAN YOU JUST ELABORATE ON THAT SINCE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP? >> CORRECT. SURE. THERE IS SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL THE PUBLIC STREETS THAT SURROUND THE PROPERTY, [00:45:04] SO THERE WAS SIGNAGE ALONG COBB HILL AND AS WELL AS FRISCO STREET. >> GOT YOU. I THINK THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS THAT WOULD PERTAIN TO YOU. THANK YOU. >> MINE ARE FOR THE APPLICANT. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENTS IN WORKING ON THIS FOR NEARLY TWO YEARS. I'M CURIOUS, HOWEVER, HAVE YOU ATTEMPTED TO REACH OUT TO ANY OF THE FOLKS AT COBB HILL DURING THE LAST TWO YEARS OF WORKING ON THIS PROJECT? >> DURING THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE WORKED WITH STAFF ON THIS PRODUCT TO MADE SURE IT WAS COMPLIANCE WITH THE STAFF'S VISION FOR THE FUTURE. WE'VE NOT REJECTED THE COBB HILL IN THE PAST. OTHER DEVELOPS WE'VE DONE, THIS IS A RELATIVELY SMALL, SIMPLE PROJECT ALIGNING WITH THE COMP PLAN THAT WAS INSTATED IN THE FRISCO LONG COMP PLAN. WE FELT THAT THE SIGNS AND THE NOTIFICATIONS HOA WERE EFFICIENT WITH THAT PROCESS. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MEETING WITH THEM OR POSTPONING THIS TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH YOU FOLKS? >> SIMILARLY, THEY'RE DEVELOPER IN THIS. >> THANK YOU. >> HI. THIS IS SAMEER WALVEKAR. I LIVE AT 3,100 CARLISLE STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS. WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD AS JONATHAN AND LUKE BOTH MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN WORKING EXTENSIVELY WITH STAFF OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. IN ADDITION TO THE NOTICES SENT OUT, WE ALSO HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH SCHOOL ON THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT. WE'D LIKE TO PROCEED. >> YOU'RE REQUESTING THAT WE TAKE ACTION TONIGHT AS OPPOSED TO A TABLE? >> CORRECT. WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD. THAT BEING SAID, WE'D BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH THE FOLKS THAT HAVE COME HERE AT THE FUTURE, BUT WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE HERE IN THIS REZONING. >> I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I GOT. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE NOTICES WERE GIVEN. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SIGNS WERE PUT UP. IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS HAS BEEN IN PROGRESS, BUT AGAIN, THE RESIDENTS HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SEE IT. I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC PIECE WHERE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO, I SEE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, YOU HAVE A STREET TO COME INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT THEN WILL YOU BE ABLE TO TURN OFF OF COBB INTO THE ALLEYS? YOU'D BE ABLE TO COME IN TO THE ALLEYS. >> HE'S ASKING CAN YOU COME HERE AND THEN. >> I KNOW YOU CAN COME IN HERE ON THE LEFT THE STREET. THEN COME DOWN AND GO UP INTO YOUR ALLEY. BUT WILL YOU BE ABLE TO COME IN AND OUT OF THE ALLEYS ON THE COBB? >> YES. TO ANSWER A QUESTION EARLIER SUDDENLY CAME INTO MY HEAD. IT'S LIKE HICKORY STREET IS, A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR STREET WITH ALLEYS CONNECTING TO IT THAT YOU CAN ENVISION THIS BEING LIKE, YES, JUST LIKE ON HICKORY STREET OF THE PORTION BETWEEN PRESTON, AND FIFTH STREET [OVERLAPPING] >> IS THAT FOR FIRE ACCESS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? >> NO. THE ALLEY IS JUST FOR TRASH PICKUP. IT'S LIKE A TYPICAL ALLEY LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE IT'S TRASH PICKUP AND RESIDENT ACCESS TO THEIR DRIVE-THROUGH TO THE GARAGES. BUT THE FIRE ACCESS IS THE STREETS AROUND IT IN A LONG COBB HILL. THAT'S THE FIRE ACCESS. >> THANKS, JOE. MY OVERALL COMMENT IS I'VE SEEN THESE PIECES OF LAND TRIED TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE PAST, AND IN FRISCO, THEY ARE DIFFICULT WHEN THEY'RE LONG AND NARROW. I THINK THIS DESIGN IS PRETTY GOOD. I SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT'S BEEN GIVEN INTO THE OPEN SPACE AND THE DESIGNS AND THE SETBACKS AND SO ON. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TABLING THIS, TO GIVE THE RESIDENTS A CHANCE TO DEAL WITH THE DEVELOPER. BUT I'M NOT SURE IT'S GOING TO CHANGE VERY MUCH OTHER THAN JUST TO GET YOU COMFORTABLE. BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD DESIGN FOR THIS LITTLE PIECE OF LAND THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US HERE. I'M NOT SURE THAT I WOULD CHANGE MY VOTE AFTER A TWO-WEEK PERIOD OR WHATEVER. WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS, BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M ON THIS. >> THANK YOU, ED. BRIAN. >> I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE A DEVELOPER QUESTION OR JONATHAN'S QUESTION, BUT IT WAS MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT THE AMOUNT OF PARKING ALLOCATED FOR THE NUMBER OF RESONANCES SOUNDED LESS THAN HALF OR ABOUT HALF. [00:50:04] >> I WILL KNOW THAT EACH UNIT DOES HAVE A STANDARD TWO-CAR GARAGE AND YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING. >> I THINK THIS IMAGES IS MISLEADING IN TERMS OF PARKING. THESE PARKING SPACES THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE NOT THE ONLY PARKING. THEY WERE AN EXTRA ELEMENT WE ADDED TO CARVE OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S EXTRA PARKING. WHEN YOU HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S ALLEY SERVED. THE STREETS ARE 26 FT WIDE FACE-TO-FACE AND PARKING IS ALLOWED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. THAT'S OUR TYPICAL LAYOUT FOR, IN FACT, I BELIEVE THE COBB HILL NEIGHBORHOODS THE SAME WAY. THE STREETS ARE 26 FT WIDE AND SO PARKING IS POSSIBLE IN FRONT OF ALL THE HOMES ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT STREET. YES, IF PARKING DOES OCCUR ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET THEN IT REDUCES TRAVEL TO JUST ONE WAY AT A TIME. PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE TURNS. THERE'S PARKING POSSIBLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET ALL THE WAY AROUND. THAT'S PARKING ON BOTH SIDES. THERE'S PARKING ALSO POSSIBLE ALONG COBB HILL. BUT WHAT WE DID WAS BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRE ACCESS AROUND THE SITE. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS STREET WAS NOT REDUCED TO ONE LANE OF TRAVEL IN EACH DIRECTION AT A TIME. BY ADDING THOSE PARKING CARVE-OUTS, IT MAKES A STREET A LITTLE WIDER, WHICH ALLOWS BETTER FIRE ACCESS, BUT IT'S STILL THE SAME AMOUNT OF PARKING, BUT IT GUARANTEES THAT WHEN PARKING OCCURS ON BOTH SIDES, THE STREET IS WIDER. THAT WAS FOR INCREASED FIRE ACCESS AROUND THE SITE. THERE IS SUFFICIENT PARKING. WE ALWAYS WHENEVER WE SEE A PROPERTY THAT IS LIKE HOMES THAT ARE ON MUSES, AND SO FORTH, WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THE FRONTAGE OF THE HOMES. THEN MAKE SURE THERE'S SUFFICIENT PARKING AS IF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CONFIGURED LIKE A TYPICAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE THE STREETS HAVE HOMES ON BOTH SIDES. WE ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING AS IF ALL THOSE HOMES HAD FRONTAGE ON THE STREET. YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT THESE FRONTAGES ARE ADDED UP OVER HERE. IT'S LIKE, THAT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF THAT AND THIS IS THE EQUIVALENT OF THAT. WE MAKE SURE THERE'S THE EQUIVALENT AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE LIKE ANY NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD HAVE SO THERE'S PROPER PARKING. >> LIKE THE CANALS? >> YES, EXACTLY. >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION ON THAT ONE. AS FAR AS THE HOA NOTIFICATION GOES, THE CITY OBVIOUSLY FOLLOWED THE INFORMATION THEY HAD. THEY PROVIDED THE INFORMATION THEY NEEDED TO THE PEOPLE THAT THEY HAD ON RECORD. I MIGHT SUGGEST TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH YOUR MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND MAKE SURE THAT WITH ALL THE THINGS GOING ON IN THE CITY THESE DAYS, YOU NEED TO BE INFORMED. IF THEY'RE NOT PASSING THAT INFORMATION ON TO YOU ASSUMING THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING, MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT. >> CAN I ADD A POINT? >> NO, YOU CANNOT. I WILL LIKE TO SAY FOR THE RECORD IN THE PACKET THAT WE GOT THERE'S FOUR PROJECT INPUT FORMS THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS CASE. I COUNTED FIVE FORMS THAT SAID THEY NEEDED MORE INFORMATION. THEN THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT ALSO SAID THEY WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION. >> THANK YOU. WE DID ALL RECEIVE THAT. THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> I LIKE GOING CLOSE THE LAST, NOT LAST BECAUSE MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED. GOOD QUESTIONS FROM MY FELLOW HOOK COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I GUESS THE ONE QUESTION I DO HAVE IS WHEN I LOOK AT THE CROSS-SECTION OF COBB HILL ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HERE, THERE IS A TRANSMISSION LINE GOING DOWN IT. I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE ABLE TO WIDEN IT TO 36 AND THAT WON'T INTERFERE WITH IT? >> YES, AS A LOT OF DEVELOPERS WE'LL LAMENT. WE SAY YOU HAVE TO BUILD THE ROADS ACCORDING TO STANDARDS EVEN IF UTILITIES ARE IN THE WAY BECAUSE THEY WILL THEN HAVE TO WORK WITH THE UTILITY COMPANIES TO MOVE THE UTILITY. YES, THEY DO HAVE TO MOVE THINGS TO MAKE IT BE THE PROBLEM. >> THAT'S AT DEVELOPER'S EXPENSE? >> YES. >> LIKE I'D MENTIONED, I WOULD NORMALLY BE IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING MORE TIME FOR CITIZEN INPUT BY A GUARD, I DON'T SEE MUCH THAT WOULD CHANGE WITH, LET THE CITIZENS MEET WITH THE DEVELOPER MORE SO I'D PROBABLY BE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THIS TONIGHT. >> STEVE? >> YEAH. I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE OBVIOUSLY TO STAFF, I COULD NOT FIGURE OUT WHAT QUESTIONS TO ASK. I REALLY WAS PUZZLED BY THIS, JUST THAT IT WAS HARD FOR ME TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND. IT NEVER WOULD HAVE OCCURRED TO ME TO ASK IF THERE WAS PARKING ALLOWED ON CAMP HILL DRIVE. I'VE LEARNED A LOT TONIGHT AND I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT TO HAVE ASKED THAT QUESTION JUST BASED ON DRIVING ON IT. I APPRECIATE YOU-ALL POINTED OUT HICKORY STREET FOR US. I WOULD PLAN ON OBVIOUSLY GO IN AND DRIVING THAT MAYBE EVEN TONIGHT TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. [00:55:01] MAYBE I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP LATER ON ON OTHER PLACES THAT LOOK LIKE THIS. I GUESS IT'D BE MORE CURIOUS HOW RECENTLY WE'VE DONE THAT. MY CONFUSION WOULD BE JUST, FOR TRANSPARENCY I LIVE IN CAMP HILL. ANYONE HASN'T HEARD THAT A MILLION TIMES. I DRIVE THE STREET A LOT OR THIS GRAVEL ROAD A LOT TOO MUCH DISAGREEMENT WITH MY WIFE, THE CAR GETS DIRTY ALL THE TIME. I JUST HAD HEARD THEM WRAP MY MIND AROUND THE STRUCTURE OF IT AND THE DENSITY OF IT. WE TRIED TO GET THE RIGHT DENSITY IN THE RIGHT PLACE. YOU-ALL KNOW THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF TOWN HOMES. FOR A LIVING, I BUILD AND SELL TOWN HOMES, SO I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF TOWN HOMES BUT I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF THE RIGHT DENSITY IN THE RIGHT PLACE. ALONG THE HIGHWAYS WE'VE ALL, AS A COMMUNITY, VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF DENSITY ALONG HIGHWAY OR OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE REALLY WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS, LIKE SOMETHING REALLY WALKABLE NEARBY AMENITIES, JUST I GUESS A REASON. I'M NOT OPPOSED COMPLETELY TO TOWN HOMES HERE. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE DENSITY. THERE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, THIS SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF DENSITY, SOME PEOPLE WILL ACCUSE HIM OF A PACK AND STACK. THERE HAPPENS TO BE EIGHT ACRES ARE HARD TO DEVELOP, SO LET'S MAXIMIZE WHAT WE CAN PUT THERE. THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS THE BEST THING. IF I PERSONALLY PREFER TOWN HOMES, SO THAT DOESN'T MATTER. MY PERSONAL PREFERENCES DON'T MATTER EVEN IF I LIKE TOWN HOMES. IT'S TRYING TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY AND WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY AROUND THERE. I WAS SHOCKED WHEN THE DEVELOPER SAID TONIGHT THAT HE'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR TWO YEARS. I FRANKLY THOUGHT THIS WAS A PRETTY QUICK JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO. THEY PULLED IT TOGETHER. IT'S A SMALL SITE. I KNOW IT'S HARD TO DEVELOP BUT I WAS REALLY FRANKLY SHOCKED TO HEAR THAT YOU GUYS WERE WORKING ON THIS FOR TWO YEARS AND HAD NOT REACHED OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT IF I CAN ASK THAT. YOU SAID THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE SCHOOL; IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> FOR THE RECORD, THE SCHOOL IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE APPLICANTS. >> SCHOOL IS ONE OF THE APPLICANTS? >> YES. >> MAYBE THAT MY QUESTION IS MORE FOR STAFF AS TO HOW THE SCHOOL BECAME INVOLVED AS AN APPLICANT, THE BACKGROUND ON THAT. THANK YOU. >> IN TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO PROVIDE THE PROPER ACCESS TO THE SITE, THE HIGH-SCHOOL HAS A DRIVEWAY OVER HERE, SO THIS IS A FIRE LANE THAT WRAPS AROUND THE HIGH SCHOOL. IN ORDER TO GET THE PROPER OPEN SPACE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THEY ORIGINALLY HAD CONSIDERED A STREET MAYBE WRAPPING UP IN INDIAN THERE SO THAT THEY'D HAVE THEIR STREET CONNECTION TO END THEIR CONNECTION TO CAMP HILL. BUT TO GET MORE OPEN SPACE AND SO FORTH, THE IDEA CAME INTO BEING. IT'S LIKE WELL, IF THIS FIRE LANE COULD BE CONVERTED INTO A PUBLIC STREET AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE STREET THAT WILL PROVIDE THE END ACCESS FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT. THEN THAT'S WHAT THEY PROPOSED AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, WELL, NOW YOU NEED TO GO TO THE ISD AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AMENABLE TO THAT, SO IT MAKES SURE THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH THEM TAKING THEIR FIRE LANE AND DEDICATE IT AS RIGHT-OF-WAY AND FOR IT TO BECOME A PUBLIC STREET. IN THAT CASE, FOR INSTANCE, TODAY THE ENTRANCE TO THE SCHOOL IS TECHNICALLY HERE. THEN IS WHEN IT BECOMES A PUBLIC STREET, THE ENTRANCE TO THE SCHOOL NOW COMES DOWN IS DOWN THERE BECAUSE NOW PUBLIC STREET AND NOW THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL PROPERTY AND THEIR FIRE LANE IS DOWN THERE. THEN THAT ALSO GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO PUT A GATE ACROSS THE SCHOOL DRIVEWAY IF THEY WANT TO AND IT DOESN'T BLOCK THE STREET THAT PROVIDES ACCESS TO THESE TOWN HOMES. I HAPPEN TO HAVE MONTHLY COORDINATION MEETINGS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ANYWAY ABOUT SCHOOLS AND INFRASTRUCTURE. THEY HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD WORK AND SO FORTH, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO ASK ME THEIR QUESTIONS. I WAS ABLE TO ANSWER THEM FOR THEM IN THOSE MEETINGS. >> THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. A FOLLOW-ON QUESTION THEN THAT JUST CAME UP BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU JUST DREW THERE. THAT INTERSECTION WHERE THE NEW ENTRANCE TO THE SCHOOL PROPERTY WILL BE, WHAT SIGNAGE [INAUDIBLE] NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUT OF THE SCHOOL AND INTO THE SCHOOL PARKING LOT? >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS INTERSECTION? >> YES. THAT INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE. >> WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED ANYTHING YET. THIS IS JUST A ZONING EXHIBIT BUT I'M SURE THERE WILL BE A STOP SIGN. REALLY CAN'T DRAW THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL BUT A STOP SIGN ON EACH APPROACH I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THEY WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY AN ALWAYS STOP PROBABLY BUT WE HAVEN'T GOT TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL YET. >> I UNDERSTAND. WE'RE A LITTLE AHEAD OF THAT. SAME THING UP ON THE NORTH END OF THEIR OFF CAMP HILL DRIVE, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT PREMATURE BUT WOULD THAT END UP BEING JUST A TYPICAL THREE-WAY INTERSECTION STOP SIGNS? >> WE'D PROBABLY MOST LIKELY JUST BE STOPPED HERE AND CAMP HILL WOULDN'T STOP. >> THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. >> I WOULDN'T THINK THERE WILL BE ENOUGH TRAFFIC TO GENERATE AN ALWAYS STOP THERE. >> FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ALL TO THE NORTH LANE, THAT'S NOW A PUBLIC STREET, AND SO THAT COULD BE EXTENDED INTO [01:00:01] THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND MAKE A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION? >> YES, IT COULD. >> THEN PARKING WOULD BE ALLOWED ON BOTH SIDES OF CAMP HILL DRIVE, ONCE IT WAS COMPLETELY WIDENED AND FULLY DEVELOPED AND PARKING WOULD BE ALLOWED ON BOTH SIDES OF IT? >> YES. THAT IS ANOTHER REASON FOR THE 36TH FOOT WIDTH WHERE WE DON'T STRIPE MUCH ANYTHING BECAUSE THERE'S ROOM FOR PARKING ON EACH SIDE TOO, TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC PLUS PARKING ON EACH SIDE. THAT'S WHAT 36 FEET ALLOWS. >> I THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT JOEL. >> I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. >> PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> NO. >> NO? >> I'M JUST KIDDING. GO AHEAD. >> [LAUGHTER] I'M SORRY. >> IS THERE ANY LANDSCAPE BUFFERING SOUTH OF THAT ROAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN THEM AND THE HIGH SCHOOLERS? CAN THE HIGH SCHOOLERS JUST GO BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THIS LITTLE BIT PATCH OF GRASS? >> THIS EXHIBIT RIGHT HERE. I CAN SAY THERE IS A LOW FENCE WITH LANDSCAPING SHADE TREES TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM JUST WALKING BACK AND FORTH. >> ON THE FAR LEFT NEXT TO THAT TREE, WHAT IS THAT SHOWING? I CAN'T REALLY READ THAT. IS THAT A FENCE? >> THAT'S A FOUR-FOOT TALL FENCE. >> I SEE IT NOW. THANK YOU. >> IS THAT WHAT YOU HAD FOR [OVERLAPPING] >> CAN I PIGGYBACK ON A QUESTION TOO, IF THAT'S THE TREND RIGHT NOW? >> YES, PLEASE DO. >> I REALIZE I MADE A NOTE HERE. SOMEONE HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT 13 FOOT DRIVEWAY LINKS. I UNDERSTAND. I REMEMBER CORRECTLY IN THE CITY OF FRISCO, WE HAVE A 20-FOOT; IS THAT CORRECT? >> WAS IT 24 [INAUDIBLE]? >> NO, I MENTIONED THE DRIVEWAY. >> OUR STANDARD ON DRIVEWAYS 10, 20 OR NOTHING IN-BETWEEN. IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE 10. >> JUST MAYBE TOWN HOMES ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I WAS DEALING WITH MY HOME BUILDER. THAT COULD BE WHY I HAD MISINFORMATION THERE. >> THERE'S A REASON BEHIND THAT. YOU'RE WONDERING WELL, WHY WOULD YOU DO IT A LITTLE DRIVEWAY AS WE MAKE IT SHORT ENOUGH THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE LOGICAL SENSE TO PULL IN BECAUSE YOU'LL STICK TOO FAR OUT INTO THE ROAD, AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO GET IT WHERE PEOPLE WHO ARE AT 14, I GOT ONE OF THE EMAIL SAY, HEY, CARS ARE 14.5 BUT WE SHRINK IT ENOUGH THAT IT JUST MAKES LOGICAL SENSE THAT YOU WOULD NEVER PULL IN. THE ONLY OPTION IS YES, YOU'RE POINTING TO DRIVEWAY BUT YOU'D ONLY PARK IN YOUR DRIVEWAY, AND IF YOU CAN'T FIT IN YOUR GARAGE, YOU WOULD THEN GO TO THAT ADDITIONAL SPACING. THAT'S THE REASON FOR THIS SHORTER DRIVEWAY. >> A QUESTION FOR JOEL. I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS. LIKE WE SAID, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE SAW THE DETAILS ON THIS WAS ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON, EVEN FOR PEOPLE WORKING ON THE P&Z. IT'S A LOT TO DIGEST. I HOPE THE APPLICANT, WHETHER THIS IS APPROVED OR TABLES OR WHATEVER HAPPENS. I THINK ANYTIME YOU CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE IS ALWAYS BETTER, THAT'S ALL THE PEOPLE TRY TO DO IN THE CITY TYPICALLY ENCOURAGES THAT UNDERSTANDS A SMALL TRACK OF LAND. JOEL, QUESTION ON THE, STILL TRYING TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND THIS RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR STREET. RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR STREETS CAN HAVE DIRECT ACCESS OFF OF HIGHWAYS SUCH AS CAPITAL DRIVE HAS DIRECT ACCESS OFF THE TOLL ROAD. >> YES. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THE THING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL COLLECTORS IS THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE HOMES FRONT THEM. THEY COMING OFF OF AN ARTERIOLE AND THEY CAN BE LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THEY DON'T HAVE OUR LENGTH RESTRICTION THAT OTHER STREETS DO. STREETS THAT HAVE HOMES FRONTING THEM, THEY HAVE LENGTH RESTRICTIONS, BUT COLLECTORS, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE HOMES FRONTING THEM, THEY CAN BE MUCH LONGER. IT CAN CONNECT TO AN ARTERIAL, BUT NO HOMES FRONTED. NO-ONE'S FRONT YARD IS LOOKING AT THIS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR IS. NO HOMES FRONTING IT. >> NOW, THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE, BUT SIGNING UP TO IT OBVIOUSLY IS OKAY. >> YES. >> WHATEVER THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ARE, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE MEETING THEM FOR THIS YEAR. >> YES. >> NOW, I APPRECIATE THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE HOA NOTIFICATIONS. I REALLY APPRECIATED JONATHAN'S FEEDBACK TODAY, THE 1,500 FEET NOTIFICATION TO HOA'S AS A COURTESY, I THINK EVERYONE NEEDS TO ALWAYS KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT THE CITY STATE LAW DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT. HE'S NOT REQUIRED TO DO THAT. THE CITY GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND IN NOTIFYING HOA'S. WE ALSO HAVE EXPERIENCED OTHER TIMES BEFORE WHERE THOSE SOMETIMES FALL INTO A BLACK HOLE. I REMEMBER A RECENT TOWNHOME ZONING CASE, A VERY BIG TOWNHOME ZONING CASE WHERE THE NOTIFICATION TO THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY HAD FALLEN THROUGH. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WENT INTO EXTENDING [01:05:02] THE DISCUSSION ON THAT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAD THE SAME CONCERNS THAT THEY WERE REALLY TRYING TO DIGEST A LOT IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ENOUGH FOLKS THAT ARE WILLING TO GIVE THE DEVELOPER AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF TIME TO TALK. I HAVE SOME SERIOUS SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS AND I DO THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT SOME POSSIBLE CHANGES TO DESIGN BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE IDEA IS TO HAVE EVERYTHING A 100 PERCENT NAILED DOWN AND THEN PRESENTED TO US, THEN THAT'S YAY OR NAY ON THAT. THERE'S USUALLY ROOM FOR DISCUSSIONS WITH DEVELOPERS, DISCUSSIONS WITH NEIGHBORHOODS, ETC. IF THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE IN FAVOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS FOR FOUR WEEKS, SO I NEED TO KNOW THE DATE OF THAT NEXT MEETING. AND JOHN JUST CLARIFY, IS FOUR WEEKS PREFERRED? USUALLY YOU LIKE TO GO OUT TWO MEETINGS WHEN WE'RE TABLING AN ITEM. >> OR IF THERE'S GOING TO BE, IF YOU'RE TABLING FOR MEETING YES, IT IS THE BARE MINIMUM FOUR WEEKS BECAUSE WE PRODUCE THE STAFF REPORT THAT WAS TABLED TO THE 28TH ACTUALLY WILL BE PUT IN THE STAFF REPORT TOGETHER A WEEK FROM THURSDAY. >> 14TH IS THE ONE THAT WOULD BE FOUR WEEKS, BUT I DON'T KNOW YET. >> WOULD THAT BE SUFFICIENT TIME, MARCH 14TH OR IS THE ONE AFTER THAT? >> [INAUDIBLE] RESPONSE. >> YES, I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER, BUT YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT. BUT ANYTIME WE HAVE THIS MANY CITIZENS SHOW UP FOR OUR DISCUSSION, IT USUALLY INDICATES TO US THAT IT'S ALWAYS BEST TO HAVE PEOPLE DISCUSS AND TALK AND MEET. IF WE WERE TO TABLE IT FOR SIX WEEKS, SO THAT'S NOT RUSHED AND STAFF NOT RUSHED AND YOU'RE NOT RUSHED. I KNOW THAT THE NEIGHBORS IS GOING TO BE VERY BUSY DEALING WITH OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THE AREA. WOULD YOU BE OKAY THEN IF WE MOVE TO TABLE IT FOR SIX WEEKS? >> PREFERENCES TO MOVE FORWARD AGAIN TONIGHT, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE WILLING TO DO AND WE'RE EXCITED TO DO IS WE'RE HAPPY TO DO A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL HEARING BETWEEN NOW AND CITY COUNCIL, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS DESIRED AS WELL. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. ARE YOU OKAY WITH SIX WEEKS OR? I JUST WANT TO GET STRAW POLL. >> I'VE GOT A FEW COMMENTS BEFORE. >> OH, YEAH. >> I APPRECIATE. I REALIZED I CAN'T SAY ALL OF US IN THIS ROOM, WOULD RATHER BE SOMEWHERE ELSE ON VALENTINE'S DAY. I DON'T LIKE TO HEAR MYSELF SPEAK, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN WE HAVE THIS MANY RESIDENTS HERE JUST MAYBE EDUCATE YOU ON THE PROCESS. I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE TO BE ON THE COMMISSION FOR SIX YEARS AND CAME TO A MEETING SEVEN YEARS AGO. I WAS LIKE, HEY, I TOLD MY FAMILY, WE'RE GOING TO LIVE HERE NEXT 30 YEARS, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE FRISCO SPECIAL. THAT WAS MY INTENTION OF APPLYING TO BE ON THE COMMISSION. AS YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GET PAID. WE WANT THE BEST WHAT'S FOR OUR FAMILY, FOR OUR COMMUNITY, THE RESIDENTS. I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER. I KNOW JOHN OR JOEL AND SOME COMMISSIONERS HAVE BEEN HERE. WHEN I FIRST GOT ON, I WANTED TO DESIGN THINGS UP HERE. THEY'D GET UP HERE AND I GO, HEY, WHY DON'T YOU MOVE THIS SIDEWALK? WHY DO YOU ADD THESE TREES? AND THEY WERE LIKE, JOHN, DON'T YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY VETTED THIS OUT? AND I WAS LIKE NO, SWITCH THIS UP. I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO SIT DOWN AND GO TO SOME OF THE MEETINGS WHICH GOES THROUGH WHEN AN APPLICANT COMES IN AND IN THEIR CASE TWO YEARS AGO, WHICH I REALIZE YOU HERE, IT'S ONLY BEEN TWO WEEKS IF GIFTED THAT. BUT THEY STARTED THIS PROCESS TWO YEARS AGO AND IT'S VETTED OUT. THE REASON WHY WE LOVE FRISCO IS BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH DETAIL OUR CITY STAFF GO INTO. IF YOU SIT IN THERE WHEN THEY GO INTO A MEETING, IT'S THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, IT'S ENGINEERING, IT'S TRAFFIC, IT'S PLANNING, FIRE. THERE'S A PLETHORA OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THERE AND REALLY JUST HASH UP THEIR PLAN. I PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS PLAN LOOKED LIKE TWO YEARS AGO, BUT WHAT I'VE SEEN IS IT USUALLY GOES THROUGH THREE, IF NOT 18 RENDITIONS TO GET TO WHERE IT IS. NOW, I'M NOT HERE TO TELL THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS TO LOVE THIS PLAN. BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT A LOT OF WORK GOES INTO GOING TO WHERE WE ARE. I THINK SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY CONTRIBUTES TO THIS IS, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS INVOLVED. I FEEL WE HAVE AMAZING SCHOOL DISTRICT EVEN THOUGH WE OPERATE SEPARATELY. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD BUY IN IF THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT THIS WAS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS WHAT IT MEANS IT'S RIGHT, BUT THEY FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS USE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS I MENTIONED, PURCHASE LOW, AND RENT HIGH FRISCO. THE REASON WHY OUR HOME VALUES ARE TREMENDOUS IS FRISCO PUTS A VERY HIGH BUILDING STANDARD. WHEN YOU GO TO OTHER CITIES AND YOU REALIZE, WHY DID THEY GET AWAY WITH LESS BUILDING MATERIALS? [01:10:03] IT'S BECAUSE THE CITY ALLOWS IT. FRISCO HOLDS THEM TO A VERY HIGH STANDARD. THAT'S WHY IT'S, YOU CAN'T BUY A CHEAP HOME FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED WITH THIS OPEN SPACE AND ALL THE AMENITIES AND SO FORTH. I REALIZE THERE'S NOT A POOL PARKING. I THINK WE'RE ABLE TO ADDRESS OUR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, SOMEONE MENTIONED A HOVERBOARD. THAT WOULD BE COOL IF I DID SEE A HOVERBOARD, BUT THAT ASIDE, I DON'T GET A VOTE. I DO GET RUN THE MEETINGS, BUT I PERSONALLY DON'T GET TO VOTE. IF I WERE VOTING, I HOPE THE RESIDENTS KNOW, I THINK IT'S STILL IMPORTANT THAT YOU KNOW MY STANCES, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THIS. BUT I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND. I WOULD NOT TAKE YOUR COMMENTS LIGHTLY. I WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT IF IT'S FORTUNATE ENOUGH FOR THEM IF IT GETS APPROVED, THAT YOU DON'T LEAVE THIS ROOM UNTIL YOU SIT UP AND SAY WHAT TIME YOU'RE WILLING TO MEET WITH THEM BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. BECAUSE ALL WE ARE IS WE'RE A BOARD THAT RECOMMENDS SOMETHING. IT DOES NOT GET APPROVED HERE TONIGHT. IT GOES IN BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE BOTH PARTIES TO SAY UNDERSTAND A LOT OF IT'S JUST EDUCATION. HOW DID YOU GET HERE? THE REASON WHY I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T TABLE I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WOULD CHANGE. THAT'S PROBABLY MY REASON. IT'S NOT GOING TO JUST ACCEPT IT. IT'S A DIFFICULT PART AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE ENJOYABLE PART IS WE GET MORE DIFFICULT PROPERTIES. IT'S DIFFICULT DECISIONS AND I DON'T WANT TO DISAGREE WITH ANYONE, BUT I JUST WANT TO LET YOU AT LEAST UNDERSTAND WHERE I STAND AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS. BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST HAD A FEW COMMENTS. JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN MY POSITION ON THIS. IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO ME THAT YOU GUYS AREN'T WILLING TO VISIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ESPECIALLY IF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR TWO YEARS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TWO WEEKS OR FOUR WEEKS WOULD COMPLETELY KILL YOUR DEAL. THAT'S MY OPINION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE OUR CHAMBERS AND P AND Z FULL LIKE THIS VERY OFTEN. I'M KIND OF A DIFFERENT OPINION. IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU GUYS WANT ACTION TAKEN TONIGHT. IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS AND I WOULD RECOMMEND DENIAL. >> I CAN ADD MY COMMENTS TOO. WHEN COMMISSIONER COHEN WAS BRINGING UP THE FORMER APPLICANT THAT WE HAD, IT WAS A MULTIPLE LAYER PROCESS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM WAS HAVING THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE HOMEOWNERS AND WHO WAS GOING TO BE NEIGHBORING WITH THEM. I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME YOU ALL HEARD TONIGHT THAT FOR SOME OF THESE PEOPLE TONIGHT, THIS WAS NEW TO THEM. WHERE YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD. I KNOW STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD FOR TWO YEARS FOR THEM JUST TO HEAR THIS VERY RECENTLY. THAT'S WHERE I THINK I'M COMING FROM, KNOWING HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO HAVE THOSE PARTNERSHIPS WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS AND TO MAYBE ASK YOU ALL TO CONSIDER WORKING WITH THEM. I REALIZE I WASN'T ASKING THEM A QUESTION AND THEN I JUST STOPPED. >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. JUST HYPOTHETICALLY, IF THIS WERE TO GET DENIED TONIGHT, WHAT HAPPENS? >> THEY CAN APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN IT WOULD REQUIRE A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE. >> IF WE RECOMMEND TABLING, WOULD THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH AND I'M SORRY. I WAS DOING A MONOLOGUE, BUT I COULD ASK A QUESTION IF YOU DON'T MIND. >> YEAH. >> LET HER ASK HER QUESTION. >> NO. YOU CAN STAY RIGHT THERE. IT'S TOTALLY FINE. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A RECORD THAT YOUR QUESTION WAS ASKED. >> I HEARD MULTIPLE THINGS JUST AGAIN, WITH NEW INFORMATION AS WELL AS MAYBE JUST A DISCUSSION ABOUT FACADES OR THINGS THAT MAYBE COULD BE MORE APPEALING TO THE HOMEOWNERS. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WOULD BE WILLING TO MEET WITH THEM TO DISCUSS ANY OPTIONS THAT THEY MIGHT SEE WOULD BE A BETTER FIT? >> CERTAINLY. I THINK, AS WE SAID EARLIER, OUR POSITION TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT IF THE DESIRE OF THE COMMISSION IS TO TABLE FOR THAT MEETING TO HAPPEN PRIOR TO A VOTE BY THIS COMMISSION WE'RE AMENABLE TO THAT. ALTERNATIVELY, WE'RE AMENABLE TO A MEETING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT'S ULTIMATELY DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSION. BUT YES, WE WANT TO WORK WITH COMMUNITY. AS STATED BY SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE HARVEST STAFF ON THIS FOR TWO YEARS AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH WILL CHANGE, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO HAVING THAT DISCUSSION, WHETHER IT BE BEFORE A VOTE IS TAKEN HERE OR PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL, UP TO THE DISCRETION OF YOU GUYS, OF COURSE. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> I JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT I THINK IT'S GOOD TO GET OFF A PROJECT OFF TO A GOOD START. I THINK TAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE. [01:15:03] I DON'T SEE MUCH THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CHANGED IN THIS DESIGN, HOWEVER, I'LL SPEAK TO THE HOMEOWNERS NEARBY. THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD DESIGN FOR THIS LITTLE PIECE OF LAND. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE COULD GO HERE, REALLY. THAT WOULD BE AS ATTRACTIVE. I COULD GO EITHER WAY, BUT YEAH, GETTING IT OFF TO A RIGHT START MIGHT BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. >> YOUR COMMENTS FOR [OVERLAPPING] >> IF I CAN MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT FACADES AND SO TO AVOID DISCUSSING DESIGNING UP HERE, I DO WANT TO SAY THOUGH, TO THE APPLICANT THAT I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE FACADES THAT ARE ON THERE. I'VE TALKED WITH OTHER TOWNHOME DEVELOPERS AND ONE OF THEM MADE A JOKE AND ASKED ME IF THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH SUBMITTING FACADES LIKE THAT IN FRISCO BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY NORMALLY ARE HELD TO A MUCH HIGHER STANDARD. I WAS JUST A COMMENT. I DO THINK THERE IS ROOM TO TALK OFFLINE IF IT GETS TABLED ABOUT FACADES WILL I THINK BE THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. >> [INAUDIBLE] YOU HAVE COME FOR A ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> NOTHING THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN SAID. >> CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION? >> YES. I JUST WANT TO SAY WHAT'S THE DATE, JOHN THAT'S FOUR WEEKS FROM NOW? >> I THOUGHT YOU HAD A MOTION ALREADY. >> I PULLED IT BACK. >> MAYBE THE 14TH, BUT I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THE 28TH. WHAT I WOULD ASK OTHER COBB HILL NEIGHBORHOOD IS YOU TARGET A MEETING DATE MAYBE TOWARDS THE END OF NEXT WEEK, MAYBE NEXT THURSDAY. YOU PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT TWO MEETINGS, BUT BE PREPARED TO GO ON THE 28TH. >> TWENTY EIGHTH OF MARCH. >> YES. >> WE ARE SAYING. I APPRECIATE THAT. >> I'LL BE HERE. >> I JUST HAVE TWO COMMENT HERE TO MAKE VERY QUICKLY ABOUT MARCH 28TH. THE COBB HILL NEIGHBORS WE ALL KNOW GOING TO BE VERY BUSY BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES. ALSO, I THINK COBB HILL IS GOING TO BE VOTED THE LEAST ROMANTIC NEIGHBORHOOD IN FRISCO. [LAUGHTER] AFTER TONIGHT'S APPEARANCE ON VALENTINE'S DAY. WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DELAY THIS ITEM. >> TABLE. >> I'M SORRY. I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO TABLE. >> ONE OTHER, I WOULD ASSUME YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING? >> DO WE NEED TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO DO THAT? >> SO MOVED. >> WE SHOW THAT FIRST. >> SECOND. >> A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING BY BRITTANY. A SECOND BY JAKE. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION PASSES 6-0. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. >> NEED TO ASK IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK? >> NO. >> GOOD. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL THE MARCH 28TH, REGULAR P&Z MEETING AND TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL THAT DATE. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION BY STEVE A SECOND BY BRITTANY. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ANY OPPOSE? >> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES 5-1. FOR THE RECORD, SEAN MERRELL OPPOSED. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? [APPLAUSE] >> WHO FROM COBB HILL WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MEETING WITH THE [INAUDIBLE]. WE COULD DECIDE BEFORE YOU LEAVE TONIGHT. YOU EACH HAVE OTHER CONTACTS. KEEP JONATHAN INFORMED ABOUT WHEN THE MEETING'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE, BUT GATHER EACH OTHER CONTACT BEFORE YOU LEAVE TONIGHT, PLEASE. >> I APPRECIATE THOSE THAT COME OUT. MY JOB IS NOT TO BE MEAN, BUT JUST TO RUN A MEETING AND HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE AND SPECIAL PROCESS IN CITY OF FRISCO. I THINK IT'S WELL RAN EXTREMELY WELL. WE DO APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING OUT AND HOPEFULLY IT WAS WORTH YOUR VALENTINE NIGHT. THANK YOU. WITH THAT ITEM 21 RESULTS OF THE FEBRUARY 7, [21. Results of the February 7, 2023, City Council meeting.] 2023, CITY COUNCIL MEETING. >> COUNCIL APPROVED THE ORDINANCE TO RESEND THE SUP FOR THE DAYCARE OR THEIR LEGACY AND STONE WORK THAT Y'ALL RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. THEN THE SUP FOR THE SELF STORAGE LIKE THE TEXAS GARAGES, THAT WAS APPROVED 6-0. >> AGAIN? >> YES. WELL, THIS IS THE ORDINANCE THAT CAME UP. [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT KICKED IN. >> THE ORDINANCE CAME UP, AND SO YES, A SUPER-MAJORITY VOTE STILL TOOK PLACE. YOU HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTH THAT HAD NOT RESCINDED THEIR OPPOSITION LETTER. AGAIN, THAT LETTER ONLY AFFECTS THE CITY COUNCIL VOTE, NO BEARING ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. COUNCIL APPROVED IT. THEN THE 16 A CURVES THERE AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, OHIO AND WORN FOR TOWN HOMES THAT WAS APPROVED. THEN THE ZONING CASE AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF DALLAS PARKWAY AND WAR, AND THAT WAS TABLED FOR GOING THROUGH LIKE THE MARCH 7TH ANOTHER GONE TO THE MARCH 7 MEETING JUST BECAUSE THEY KNOW FOR THE 21ST, [01:20:01] THAT WAS NOT WRONG OR GOOD NIGHT DEPENDING ON ANOTHER CASE THAT WILL BE POPPING UP ON THAT NIGHT. THEY DECIDED TO TABLE IT AND CONTINUED TO TALK TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. >> JOHN, CAN YOU GO BACK AND ELABORATE ON WHAT TRIGGERED THE SUPER-MAJORITY VOTE ON THAT ONE CASE? >> FOR THE TEXAS GARAGES THERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF FRISCO STRAIGHT. BY STATE LAW, THE NOTIFICATION AREA, IF PROPERTY OWNER OR OWNERS CONSTITUTE A MINIMUM OF 20 PERCENT OR MORE, AND THEY SUBMIT A LETTER OR AN OPPOSITION THAT REQUIRES A THREE-QUARTER VOTE BY CITY COUNCIL. >> TWENTY PERCENT OF WHAT RADIUS, YOU SAID? >> THERE'S A 200 FOOT RADIUS. >> NOW, WE DID GO OUT 225 FEET, BUT WHEN WE DO THE CALCULATION, WE'LL DO THE 200. THE REASON WE GO OUT THE X FOR 25 FEET. I'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR A LONG TIME JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT BECAUSE WE USED TO HAVE TO MEASURE BY A RULER, READ IT YET ALL THESE ABSTRACT MAPS. THAT'S HOW LONG I'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS. WE ACTUALLY GOT THE PAPER. [LAUGHTER] >> ON YOUR ABACUS. >> I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 22, [22. Schedule of future discussion items.] SCHEDULE A FUTURE DISCUSSION ITEMS. LET'S SAY ON THE 28TH WE'LL HAVE A WORK SESSION. WE GET TO THE DRAFT OF THE PROPOSAL, THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE UPDATE. THAT'LL BE THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING IS TO GET YOUR COMMENTS ON THAT. >> THE WORK SESSION BEFORE OR AFTER 28TH OF FEBRUARY OR MARCH? >> FEBRUARY. >> BE AT THE END OF THE MEETING. [OVERLAPPING] AT THE END OF THE REGULAR MEETING. THAT ILL ENSURE WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME AND NOT BUTTING UP AGAINST THE START TIME. >> I'M IN A RUSH. >> WHAT DID YOU SAY THAT WAS? DID YOU TELL US? >> LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE. [OVERLAPPING] >> LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE. >> I WAS WRITING IT DOWN. >> YOU GOT JENNIFER HERE AND YOU SAID NO RUSH. [OVERLAPPING]. >> I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT ONE. >> I KNOW. >> THANK YOU, JENNIFER. >> THANK YOU, JENNIFER. >> THANK YOU, JENNIFER >> MAKING OUR VALENTINE'S DAY WORTHWHILE. >> MOVE TO ADJOURN. >> SECOND. >> A MOTION BY JAY, SECOND BY SHAWN. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 6-0. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:53 PM. [BACKGROUND] >> THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.