PROCLAMATIONS

[18. Council Subcommittee reports for current activities of the Legislative Committee, Governance Committee, Budget and Audit Committee, Frisco Square Management District, Dallas Regional Mobility Commission, North Central Texas Emergency Preparedness Committee, Frisco Veterans Advisory Committee, North Texas Commission, and Regional Transportation Council.]

OUR SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS.

COUNCIL, WHAT UPDATES DO YOU HAVE? [INAUDIBLE] NOT A COMMITTEE MET YESTERDAY FOR ABOUT AN HOUR TALKING WITH STAFF IN A VERY VERY VERY SHOULD I SAY IT AGAIN VERY PRELIMINARY MANNER ABOUT THE UPCOMING BUDGET AND THE POSSIBILITY OF INCREASING THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

AND WE DISCUSSED A POSSIBLE SENIOR FREEZE ALSO.

THEY'LL CONTINUE TO REFINE THOSE NUMBERS AS THEY GET MORE INFORMATION FROM COLLIN AND DENTON COUNTY AND MAKE A PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL AT A WORK SESSION.

I THINK WE SAID PROBABLY THE SECOND MEETING IN MAY AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP AT OUR JUNE SUMMER WORK SESSION BEFORE WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT IN JUNE.

SO BE PREPARED FOR THAT.

SINCE WE DO HAVE A ACTIVE AUDIENCE TONIGHT, I DO WANT TO REITERATE, UNDERSTAND PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENTS ARE GOING OUT THIS WEEK SO WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO START HEARING FROM ANY OF YOUR RESIDENTS WHEN YOU OPEN THAT ASSESSMENT.

AND SO THE BUDGET COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL'S ALREADY PROACTIVELY LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN HELP MITIGATE THAT INCREASE IN YOUR IN YOUR TAX BILL.

SO JUST KNOW THAT WE THINK A LOT OF OUR HOMEOWNERS PROBABLY WILL HIT THE 10% TRIGGER JUST WITH THE RAPID VALUES.

AND THIS COUNCIL WAS PROUD IN 2017, WE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED FIRST HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

WE DID NOT HAVE ONE BEFORE THEN.

WHERE IT DID, WE START AT SEVEN AND A HALF, STARTED AT SEVEN AND ONE HALF AND WE CAME BACK THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND INCREASED IT TO TEN.

SO IT'S CURRENTLY AT TEN AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE COUNCIL'S GOAL TO GET TO THE STATE MAXIMUM OF 20.

AND SO I THINK WE'RE LOOKING THIS YEAR AS FAR AS HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE ANOTHER LEAP TO GET US THERE AND THEN ALSO HELP OUR SENIORS WHO ARE ON FIXED INCOMES, CERTAINLY WITH THEIR TAXES.

IT'S STILL A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE.

BUT JUST KNOW THAT YOUR COUNCIL'S ALREADY THINKING ABOUT IT BEFORE YOU OPEN THAT BILL.

ANY OTHER SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS? I JUST LIKE TO ADD ABOUT THE BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING.

IT WAS A VERY ACTIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW TO CONTROL TAXES ON OUR CITIZENS AND STILL BE ABLE TO OPERATE OUR BUDGET.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE FACING THINGS SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, INFLATION AND GAS AND WAGES AND STUFF.

BUT WE ARE WORKING.

IT WAS VERY ACTIVE AMONG STAFF AND THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE TO CONTROL TAXES AND KEEP THEM AS LOW AS POSSIBLE IN THE CITY OF FRISCO.

SO IT WAS A GOOD MEETING.

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ANYTHING ELSE THAT WILL MOVE US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS PLACED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, CONSIDER ROUTINE IN NATURE AND OR CONSIDERED NON-CONTROVERSIAL?

[CONSENT AGENDA]

THE CONSENT AGENDA CAN BE ASKED ON ONE MOTION.

A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TO MOVE ANY ITEM FOR DISCUSSION IN SEPARATE ACTION.

COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY VOTE ON ANY SINGLE ITEM WITHOUT COMMENT AND MAY SUBMIT WRITTEN COMMENTS AS PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD COUNCIL.

YOU HAVE 19 TO 32 FOR CONSIDERATION.

MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS 19 THROUGH 32.

MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY JOHN.

ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

THAT WILL MOVE US TO A LEGISLATIVE AGENDA.

THESE ITEMS MAY LEGALLY REQUIRE ACTION, BUT COUNCIL POLICY SHOULD BE THE CITY MANAGER'S RESPONSIBILITY.

[LEGISLATIVE AGENDA]

THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA CAN BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION.

THE CONCURRENCE OF TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS IS REQUIRED TO REMOVE ANY ITEM FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND ACTION.

COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY VOTE NAY IN ANY ITEM WITHOUT COMMENT, MAY SUBMIT WRITTEN COMMENTS AS PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD.

THERE'S ONE ITEM, ITEM 33.

MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 33.

MOTION BY BILL. SECOND.

SECOND BY BRIAN. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

THAT MOVES US TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA.

ITEM 34 IS A PUBLIC HEARING REQUEST TO REPEAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2020-04-15 CONSISTING OF 400.3 ACRES ON THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTHWEST CORNERS OF LEGACY

[34. Public Hearing: A request to repeal Ordinance No. 2020-04-15 consisting of 400.3± acres on the northwest and southwest corners of Legacy Drive and Stonebrook Parkway (“Property”), to amend the Zoning Ordinance (Ordinance No. 11-04-09, as amended), to rezone the Property as Planned Development-245-Single Family-10/Single Family-8.5/Single Family-7/Patio Home, Planned Development-245-Office-1, and Planned Development-Townhome, and to consider to direct Staff to prepare an Ordinance of the same. Zoned Planned Development-245-Single Family-10/Single Family-8.5/Single Family-7/Patio Home and Planned Development-245-Office-1. Neighborhood #39 and #41. Zoning Case No. Z21-0016. Applicant: Bohler Engineering. (Development Services/JH)]

DRIVE AND STONY BROOK PARKWAY TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 11-04-09 AS AMENDED TO REZONE THE PROPERTY AS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO 45 SINGLE FAMILY TEN SINGLE FAMILY 8.5 SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN.

PATIO HOME PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO 45.

OFFICE ONE AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT TOWN HOME AND TO CONSIDER TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE TO THE SAME ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO 45 SINGLE FAMILY TEN SINGLE FAMILY 8.5 SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN PATIO HOME AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT 225.

OFFICE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER 39 AND 41 ZONING CASE NUMBER Z21-0016 APPLICANT, BULLER ENGINEERING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

ON THIS ONE, I'LL BE GIVING A LITTLE BIT OF A LONGER PRESENTATION AS THERE'S MORE INFORMATION I NEED TO SHARE WITH YOU ON THIS PARTICULAR ZONING CASE.

FIRST OF ALL, THIS PROPERTY IS IN WITHIN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, A LARGER AREA.

SO TRYING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

WHAT THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO DO IS REMOVE THIS TRIANGULAR PROPERTY FROM THE OVERALL PD.

SO THAT IS THE ZONING CASE TO REMOVE THAT AND ADJUST THE LOT NUMBERS AND THE REMAINDER OF THE AREA IN EDGE STONE AND SEPARATE OUT THIS TRIANGULAR TRACT WHERE IT'S ITS OWN SEPARATE PD AND IT WILL NOT BE PART OF THE EDGE STONE HOA.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAME UP IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING WAS HOMEOWNERS IN EDGE STONE DID NOT WANT THE POTENTIAL FUTURE RESIDENTS IN THIS TRIANGULAR PORTION TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR AMENITIES.

I MEAN, THOSE WOULD BE TWO SEPARATE HOAS THE ONLY WAY THAT SOMEBODY WOULD GET ACCESS TO THEIR AMENITIES IF SOMEONE GIVES OUT THE CODE OR WHATEVER TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.

WE DID RECEIVE A PETITION, THAT PETITION, AND WE FINALIZED IT JUST ABOUT AN HOUR AGO.

IT DOES NOT TRIGGER THE SUPERMAJORITY VOTE, SO ONLY A SIMPLE MAJORITY VOTE IS REQUIRED TO APPROVE OR DENY THIS REQUEST.

SO THIS IS THE TOWNHOME LAYOUT ON THE PROPERTY.

THE DENSITY THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING COMES OUT TO BE ABOUT 5.7 UNITS TO THE ACRE.

TYPICALLY, YOU COULD GET ABOUT EIGHT UNITS TO THE ACRE ON A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT.

BUT WITH THE SHAPE AND SIZE OF THIS TRACK, IT LIMITS THE DEVELOPABLE AREA IN ORDER TO MEET DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SLIGHTLY SMALLER LOTS, BUT ONE THING THAT THEY'RE CHANGING IS INSTEAD OF HAVING LIKE EIGHT UNITS IN A ROW, THEY'RE DOING THREE AND FIVE UNITS IN A ROW. THEY'RE DOING AN OFFSET.

LET'S SEE IF THERE'S AN EXHIBIT.

SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS BUILDING SETS BACK.

THIS BUILDING SITS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE STREET.

THIS SITS BACK.

SO GIVE A LITTLE VARIATION ALONG THE STREETSCAPE FOR THE PROPERTY.

AND THIS IS THE OPEN SPACE DESIGN.

ONE THING THAT THEY'RE DOING IN HERE IS HAVING SEVERAL LOTS FRONTING ONTO OPEN SPACE THAT EXISTS FOR THESE LOTS HERE, OR THEY'RE FRONTING ON THIS OPEN SPACE.

THESE LAWS ARE FRONTING ON THIS OPEN SPACE.

THIS IS A SIMILAR [INAUDIBLE].

AND THEN, BILL, YOU HAVE SEEN THESE DEVELOPMENTS WHEN WE'RE OUT IN VARADO.

THEY HAD TOWNHOMES FRONTING ON THE OPEN SPACE.

WE HAVE SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS HERE IN FRISCO.

THE FIRST ONE BEING I THINK IT'S THE CHASE AT STONE BRIAR, JUST ALONG OHIO AND WARREN.K THAT WAS OUR FIRST PROJECT IN WHICH WE HAVE LOTS FRONTING OPEN SPACE.

WE HAVE PARK WEST, WE HAVE CANALS AT GRAND PARK.

THE DEVELOPMENT THAT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS JUST APPROVED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MAIN STREET, JUST EAST OF PRESTON.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT AS WELL AS HAZELWOOD.

HAZELWOOD UP AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF FM FOUR AND THREE AND ROCK HILL PARKWAY.

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SO WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THEY DO HAVE LOTS OF RUNNING ON THE OPEN SPACE.

AND WHEN THEY DO THAT, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE WHAT'S WHAT WE CALL A MUSE.

AND THAT IS A WIDER ALLEY.

IT GOES FROM 12 FEET TO 24 FEET, SERVES AS A FIRE LANE.

THOSE UNITS HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 26 FEET IN WIDTH, SO THEY HAVE A SEPARATE DOOR.

SO WHEN FIRST RESPONDERS ARE RESPONDING, THEY'RE NOT GOING THROUGH SOMEONE'S GARAGE DOOR.

THEY'RE GOING THROUGH A SEPARATE DOOR DIRECTLY INTO THE UNIT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND IN SOMEONE'S GARAGE.

AND BUILDING ELEVATIONS.

WE WORK WITH THEM ON THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS.

WOULD IT ALL BE MONOTONOUS ON THE PROPERTY? SO THAT'S ADOPTED WITHIN THE PD, SO THEY'RE GOING OVER AND BEYOND.

THEY DID SIGN THE VOLUNTARY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REGARDING BUILDING MATERIALS AND LOCAL BUILDING AMENDMENTS.

AND SO HERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I GOT RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL THAT ARE RESPONDED TO.

SO I JUST WANT TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THOSE.

SO JUST GET THE INFORMATION OUT THERE.

WE'VE COVERED THE THE DENSITY.

THIS IS DEVELOPING LESS THAN WHAT A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE.

AND JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES, WHITE SETTLEMENT THAT'S DOWN ON PARKWOOD BOULEVARD AND THAT'S AT 9.6 UNITS TO THE ACRE TUSCANY SQUARE.

THAT'S ALONG HILLCREST, JUST NORTH OF LEBANON, 7.6 BELLA CASA.

THAT WAS AT 9.1.

AND AS I STATED, THIS ONE IS THAT 5.7 UNITS TO THE ACRE REGARDING THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT CAPS A NUMBER OF LOFTS TO BE DEVELOPED AT 740.

AND BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED TODAY, THEY HAVE MET THEIR MINIMUM OF SF-10 LOTS AT 65, THE 8.5 WHAT'S REQUIRED IS A MINIMUM OF 170.

IF THIS CASE IS APPROVED, THERE'D BE SIX BELOW THAT NUMBER.

SO THAT NUMBER WOULD BE ADJUSTED IF COUNCIL APPROVES THIS CASE TONIGHT ON THE SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN AND A MAXIMUM OF 305 LOTS, ONLY 241 WILL BE BUILT.

THAT'S A DECREASE OF 64 LOTS ALONG THE PATIO HOME.

THE MAXIMUM IS 215 AND WHAT WILL BE BUILT IS 194, WHICH IS 21 FEWER LOTS.

SO RIGHT NOW THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE 76 FEWER LOTS.

SO IF THIS TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED AS 61 LOTS IS PROPOSED, IT STILL BE BELOW THE 740 BY 15 UNITS.

HAS A TRAFFIC IMPACT BEEN DONE? NO, ONE IS NOT REQUIRED.

WHEN WE DID THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BACK IN 2015, AN OVERALL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS DONE BY TRAFFIC AND ENGINEERING.

AND SO WHEN SOMETHING COMPLIES WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE DO NOT RUN A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

JILL FITTS IN ENGINEERING RESPONDED TO QUESTIONS REGARDING TRAFFIC.

GENERALLY, YOU GET ABOUT TEN TRIPS PER UNIT.

SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TEN LOTS.

THAT'S 100 TRIPS THAT WOULD BE GENERATED PER DAY, THIS ONE B 61.

SO MULTIPLY THAT BY TEN.

SO OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD GET MORE TRAFFIC.

BUT THE THOROUGHFARES IN PLACE, FOURTH STREET, STENBERG IS THERE TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC.

DID THIS DEVELOPER MAKE ANY CONCESSIONS? SHE HAS MADE A NUMBER OF CONCESSIONS ON THIS.

THE DEVELOPER REDUCED THE NUMBER OF LOTS FROM 64 TO 61.

THE DEVELOPER IS PROVIDING 17% OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS GREATER THAN THE 15% REQUIRED.

THE DEVELOPER IS RUNNING LOTS TOWARDS THE OPEN SPACE AREA THAT INCREASES VALUE AT THE REQUEST OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THE DEVELOPER HAS REDUCED THE NUMBER OF UNITS IN A SINGLE TOWNHOME INSTEAD OF BEING EIGHT HAS REDUCED THAT TO FIVE AND THREE.

THE DEVELOPER IS PROVIDING A VARIED SETBACK.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION, THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING A FRONT PORCH ON ALL THE LOTS FRONTING THE OPEN SPACE AND THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO WORK WITH THE ADJACENT EDGE STONE DEVELOPER TO MAKE THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION AS IS REQUIRED.

THEN THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT COULD BE DEVELOPED ON THIS.

COULD A CHURCH BE DEVELOPED? I HAVE TO CORRECT MYSELF ON THAT.

NO WE COULD NOT, THE PD WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED.

WE'VE HAD THIS COME UP ON A COUPLE OF OTHER CASES AND SINGLE FAMILY LOTS HAVE SHOWN IF THIS IS JUST STRAIGHT ZONING, YES, THIS WOULD MEET THEIR CRITERIA TO DEVELOP A CHURCH.

COULD A GAS STATION DEVELOP ON THE PROPERTY? NO. COULD AN OFFICE DEVELOP ON THE PROPERTY? NO. COULD MULTIFAMILY DEVELOP ON THIS PROPERTY? NO. THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FOR TOWNHOMES ZONING ON THE PROPERTY.

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SO ANY OF THOSE OTHER USES, LIKE A DAYCARE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, WHICH IS NOT PART OF THE REQUEST AND THAT DOES NOT OBLIGATE COUNCIL TO APPROVE.

BUT THOSE OTHER USES OF OFFICE GAS STATION SELL ALCOHOL COULD HAVE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY ON THE PROPERTY.

NO, YOU COULD NOT.

THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS ZONING REQUEST.

THE ZONING REQUEST IS SIMPLY TO DO TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY.

SO IF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS APPROVED WITH ALL THE EXHIBITS, THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD BE HAVE TO ADHERE TO.

AND THEN ON FISD, WE HEARD BACK FROM FISD EARLIER TODAY, WE CHECKED WITH THEIR DEMOGRAPHER.

SO BASED ON WHAT WE GOT FROM FISD, THEIR AVERAGE IS 0.78 STUDENTS PER HOUSE AND SO BASED ON TEN LOTS THAT WOULD GIVE YOU ABOUT JUST UNDER EIGHT STUDENTS THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THAT.

BASED ON 61 TOWNHOME LOTS, THAT NUMBER WE TOOK OUT FOR LIBERTY SQUARE, WHICH IS JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CITY HALL PARKING GARAGE, THOSE ARE TOWNHOMES.

THEY COME OUT TO BE 0.131, SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN THE AVERAGE.

SO ESSENTIALLY THAT WOULD BE ABOUT EIGHT STUDENTS COMING OUT OF 61 HOMES.

SO WHAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE USING THE NUMBERS THAT.

HEY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE I'M SORRY, THIS IS NOT HOW WE DO BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF FRISCO.

OK. SO EVERYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

BUT WE DO NOT LAUGH, WE DO NOT COMMENT WHILE OTHER PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING.

WE'RE RESPECTFUL AS PEOPLE AT THE DAIS AND EVERYONE WILL BE HEARD.

THANK YOU. SO THAT'S JUST BASED ON THE NUMBERS.

AND FISD HAS PROVIDED.

DID YOU? YES.

SO THE APPLICANT GOT A LETTER FROM SHADICK, WHO IS DEVELOPING THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT, STATING THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE CASE.

AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

OH, ONE THING REGARDING CRIME THAT CAME UP, CHIEF CHILSON PROVIDED HIS STATS AND THAT WAS FORWARDED ON TO YOU, AND HE'S HERE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THAT REPORT.

JOHN, BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP FOR CITIZEN INPUT, MAYBE TOUCH ON THERE'S TWO OTHER CORNERS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH A SIMILAR PROCESS.

ONE FOR THE EDGE STONE CHURCH, WHERE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WERE REMOVED FOR A MORE DENSE PRODUCT FOR THE CHURCH AND THEN THE OTHER FOR THE DAYCARE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SINGLE FAMILY AS WELL. MAYBE SPEAK THROUGH KIND OF THOSE PROCESSES.

YES. SO THE DAYCARE THAT WAS APPROVED IS BASICALLY RIGHT HERE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF LEGACY AND STONE BROOK PARKWAY.

A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WAS APPROVED FOR A DAYCARE A FEW YEARS AGO THAT HAS NEVER BEEN BUILT, SO WE MIGHT GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF RESCINDING THAT SUP. THE SECOND ONE IS THIS AREA UP HERE, YOU HAVE THE GATEWAY CHURCH.

HINDS SOLD THIS PROPERTY FOR THEIR EXPANSION, SO THAT REDUCED THE NUMBER OF LOTS BEING DEVELOPED HERE.

AND NOW WE HAVE THIS ONE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT TRAFFIC COUNTS, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A BIG CONCERN, HOW DO YOU THE TRAFFIC COUNTS FOR A CHURCH AND A DAYCARE COMPARED TO A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT OR TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LIKE FOR A DAYCARE, WE GOT TO KNOW LIKE HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE GOING TO BE THERE.

AND THEN FOR A CHURCH, WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE CONGREGATION? AND THE ONE THING ABOUT CHURCHES, I MEAN, DO THEY HOLD THEIR SERVICES ON SUNDAY? IS IT ON SATURDAY SOME OTHER TIME? THERE'S A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT GO INTO THAT.

AND I KNOW A LOT OF MENTIONED WAS TEN HOMES, BUT THE ORIGINAL PLOT IN THIS LITTLE SECTION HAD 13.

13, CORRECT. AND WITH CURRENT DENSITY PROPOSED AT I'M GOING TO LOOK AT MY NOTES.

THIS IS AT 5.7.

IF IT WERE BUILT TO SF SEVEN, THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE A DENSITY OF 4.1.

SO YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT A DELTA OF WHAT, TEN, TEN PROPERTIES OF SEVEN.

SO REALLY A TEN PROPERTY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SF SEVEN, WHICH THE MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS.

AND THIS PROPOSAL, BUT THE OTHER SF SEVEN DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY OPEN SPACE, DOES NOT REQUIRE OPEN SPACE.

THE ONLY TIME YOU GET INTO THE OPEN SPACE, UNLESS WE DO A PLANNING DEVELOPMENT IS FOR PATIO HOME AND TOWNHOMES MULTIFAMILY THAT REQUIRES OPEN SPACE.

ARE YOU SAYING IT? SF SEVEN? THERE COULD BE 50 HOMES THERE.

IT'D BE QUICK.

THAT WAS WHAT THEY SAID EARLIER.

SO SF SEVENS ARE TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY ZONING WITH THE MAJORITY OF EDGE STONE IS.

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AND SO THAT'D BE, IT'D BE ROUGHLY IT YIELDS 4.1 UNITS TO THE REAR VERSUS 5.7. SO MAYBE MAYBE 15 LESS PROBABLY IT'S WHAT 11 ACRES AND YOU HAVE THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT IN THERE AS WELL. THERE'S A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT'S JUST A ROUGH APPROXIMATION THAT WE GET WHEN YOU'RE FIGURING IT OUT.

BUT THIS IS A TRIANGULAR PORTION THAT CREATES SOME SOME CHALLENGES.

WELL, I GUESS WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN TO CITIZEN INPUT.

I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF BLUE CARDS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

I KNOW WE RECEIVED A LOT OF YOUR EMAILS.

I KNOW ALL OF COUNCIL HAS READ ALL OF YOUR EMAILS, EVEN THOUGH WE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RESPOND TO THEM.

IF YOU COME UP AND YOU FEEL LIKE SOMEONE BEFORE YOU HAS WELL ARTICULATED YOUR POINT, IT'S JUST AS EFFECTIVE TO JUST SAY YOU SHARE THAT SPECIFIC CONCERN AND THEY ALREADY ARTICULATED THE POSITION, BUT YOU'RE FREE TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM THAT YOU LIKE OR AS LONG AS YOU LIKE WITHIN 3 MINUTES, YOU KNOW, AS YOU START GETTING TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE PILE. A LOT OF TIMES AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE THE LAST COUNCIL MEMBER TO SPEAK, ALMOST EVERYTHING BEEN SAID BEFORE YOU.

AND SO I KNOW SOME OF YOU AT THE END MAY VERY WELL YOUR POINTS HAVE BEEN MADE.

AND SO IT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE JUST TO SAY WHICH ONES ARE OF CONCERN TO YOU AND FOR THE SAME REASONS.

SO WE DO WE HAVE MORE THAN I THINK WE HAVE MORE THAN TEN.

SO I THINK WE NEED A MOTION FOR THE 3 MINUTES OF THE WE CHANGE THE TIME LIMIT FROM 5 MINUTES TO 3 MINUTES DUE TO THE NUMBER OF BLUE CARDS.

SO MOVED. MOTION BY BILL.

SECOND. SECOND BY ANGELA.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

AND BRIAN, I'LL TURN IT TO YOU. WE NEED TO OPEN THE THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR KEEPING US ON TASK FOR A MOTION IN PUBLIC HEARING.

SOME MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY BRIAN ON FAVOR MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

SO WE HAVE SEVERAL BLUE CARDS.

ONE IS FROM I'M NOT GOING TO TRY AND PRONOUNCE THE LAST NAME JIM [INAUDIBLE], WHO IS THE APPLICANT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK FIRST OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO TO WAIT.

I'LL GIVE YOU THE. SO I'M JIM.

CAN I WAIT TILL THE END? SURE. YEAH, SURE.

ABSOLUTELY. YES.

OKAY. STARTING OFF, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TIM CHRISTY, THEN DONNA KEEFE AND THEN RAJ IYER.

IF YOU JUST COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS TIM CRYSTAL.

I LIVE AT 3746 OLMSTEAD DRIVE IN THE CENTER OF EDGE STONE.

I'M ALSO A 20 YEAR FRISCO RESIDENT, AND I DEFINITELY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THIS.

I THINK YOU, MAYOR CHENEY AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, NEW MEMBER RUMMEL, VERY NICE TO SEE THAT SWEARING IN THIS EVENING.

I ALSO WANT TO THANK MR. PUREFOY FOR MORE THAN THREE AND A HALF DECADES OF SERVICE TO THE CITY OF FRISCO.

IT'S BEEN AMAZING TO THINK ABOUT.

WHEN I WAS BACK RUNNING AROUND COLLEGE, HAVING FUN, YOU WERE ALREADY MAKING FRISCO A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE, SO I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF FRISCO AND WHAT'S MADE IT GREAT ALL THIS TIME.

WE INTENDED TO HAVE THREE SPOKESPERSONS FOR THE OPPOSITION TO THIS REZONING REQUEST, SO THAT WAS THE INTENTION WITH MYSELF, DON AND RAJ.

SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS TRY AND CONSOLIDATE OUR POINTS, KEEP YOUR TIME RESPECTED.

OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO GO BEYOND THAT.

SO THAT WAS OUR INTENTION OF THE FIRST THREE SPEAKERS HERE.

SO ULTIMATELY WE WANT TO REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITY.

WE'VE BEEN PLAYING A 60 DAY CATCH UP MODE HERE.

WE'VE REALLY BEEN HAVING JUST THOSE 60 DAYS TO KIND OF COME CATCH UP AND GET THROUGH WHAT WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE SIGNS ON THE PUT OUT THERE ON THE STREET SIDE.

SO WE HAVEN'T KNOWN ABOUT THIS UNTIL THAT POINT IN FEBRUARY.

BUT AT THIS POINT, I BASICALLY WANTED TO HAVE EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO IS PART OF THE OPPOSITION TO THIS JUST RAISE THEIR HAND SO WE CAN KIND OF SIGNIFY THAT.

AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO, AGAIN, GO BEYOND THAT.

JUST TO LET YOU UNDERSTAND AGAIN, WHO HEARS FOR THE OPPOSITION.

SO BUT WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE TRYING TO KEEP YOUR TIME TAKING CARE OF THE HANDOUT I GAVE OUT EARLIER, WHICH HOPEFULLY YOU'VE SEEN THAT WAS HANDED OUT.

BUT KRISTI, HERE'S A SUMMARY OF THAT PETITION THAT WE WORKED HARD ON.

WE'VE ALSO ENGAGED THE RESIDENTS OF PEARSON FARMS AS WELL.

SO BETWEEN EDGE STONE AND PEARSON FARMS, WE HAD QUITE A FEW PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY OPPOSED TO THIS PROPOSITION.

JUST SOME SPOT HIGHLIGHT NUMBERS OUT OF THAT.

FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN, IS 35% OF THE ENTIRE NUMBER OF HOME LOTS IN EDGE STONE.

WE'RE THE ONES WHO SIGNED THAT PETITION.

50% OF THE HOMES THAT ARE EXISTING SIGNED THAT PETITION AS WELL.

AND THEN, LIKE I SAY, A GREAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE AS WELL, JUST WEST OF FORTH ARMY AND PEARSON FARMS ALSO SIGNED THAT PETITION.

SO WITH NEARLY 90% OF ALL THE LOTS AND IN EDGE STONE ALREADY BUILT OUT ALREADY WITH STRUCTURES ON THEM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE QUITE A FAR WAYS DOWN THE STREAM AS FAR AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CONCERNED FOR DEVELOPMENT.

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THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY HERE WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT WE ARE IN FAVOR OF DIVERSIFIED HOUSING IN THE CITY OF FRISCO.

WE WANT FRISCO TO HAVE DIVERSIFIED HOUSING.

WE JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSITION IS APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE WITH THIS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL FITS THE SMART GROWTH MECHANISMS IN THE CITY.

WE DON'T FEEL THAT IT MIRRORS ALL THE OTHER TYPES OF TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE.

WE TALKED ABOUT WADE SETTLEMENT, BELLACASA, THE GABLES AT OHIO.

THOSE ARE APPROPRIATE AS FAR AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE CITY OF FRISCO.

AND WE GET THAT AND WE'RE IN FAVOR OF THAT KIND OF THING.

BUT THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT SITUATION, WE BELIEVE, HERE IN EDGE STONE.

SO THANK YOU.

I'LL JUST GIVE MY TIME.

DID YOU FINISH YOUR POINTS? I DID NOT FINISH MY POINTS, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER MINUTE.

SINCE YOUR FIRST MINUTE WAS GRATITUDE TO GEORGE.

YOU CAN TRUST ME. I'M IN IT, SO I'M OKAY.

I'M JUST LIKE I SAY, WE.

WE WANT TO STRESS THE POINT THAT WE'RE IN FAVOR OF DIVERSIFIED HOUSING AND MEDIUM DENSITY IN THE CITY OF FRISCO.

LIKE I SAY, THIS IS WHERE WE FEEL THIS IS INAPPROPRIATE AND INCOMPATIBLE WITH WHERE WE ARE AS A FULL NEIGHBORHOOD ESTABLISHMENT AS WELL AS PEARSON FARMS. AND SO WHILE THE COMPREHENSIVE CITY PLAN FOR URBAN NODES AND MAJOR ARTERIALS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO BE ABLE TO ACTIVATE THINGS LIKE MEDIUM TO HIGH DENSITY MAKES IT VERY APPROPRIATE.

WE DON'T SEE THE SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT HERE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS.

THE QUESTION OF WHAT COULD BE THERE IF NOT TOWNHOMES AND IT WAS PARTIALLY ADDRESSED HERE AS WELL BY JOHN.

AS FAR AS THAT, OUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN TRYING TO PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AGAIN.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM OURSELVES, BUT WE THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD THERE, SOME OTHER EXAMPLES IN THE CITY OF FRISCO THAT HAVE TO DO WITH SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIT INTO THAT LAND SINCE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME CONCEPT MAY HAVE GONE AWAY.

AND THAT WOULD BE SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT PRESTON VINEYARDS VILLAGE AND AS ONE EXAMPLE AND THEN 7000, PARKWOOD HAS ANOTHER EXAMPLE AS WELL.

SO JUST DIFFERENT TYPES OF POSSIBILITIES TO SPITBALL OUT THERE.

SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HI.

MY NAME IS DONNA KEITH.

I LIVE AT 6082 MANDALAY DRIVE IN FRISCO AND THANK YOU CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR FOR THIS TIME AND TO HAVE THIS FORM TO BE ABLE TO VOICE OUR CONCERNS AND OUR THOUGHTS. SO FIRST OF ALL, THE IMPRESSION THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU SEE, I THINK THERE'S BEEN THIS MESSAGE OUT THERE THAT WE WERE APATHETIC OR DISINTERESTED, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE, NOT JUST TO WELCOME LAURA TO BEING SWORN IN, BUT ALSO BEING VERY INTERESTED IN THIS TOPIC.

AND I THINK I WANT TO FIRST START OFF WITH AS FAR AS HOW WE DISCOVERED RIGHT WHEN THE SIGNS FIRST CAME OUT, THERE WERE 18.

THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME A LOT OF US SAW WHAT WAS HAPPENING.

SO THANK YOU FOR THOSE SIGNS.

AND SINCE THEN, WE'VE BEEN PLAYING CATCH UP, AS TIM SAID, FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS.

SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY EMAILS.

NOBODY RECEIVED ANY EMAILS TO THIS EFFECT.

WORKING SESSIONS, ONE OR TWO, NOBODY KNEW OF THOSE.

AND IN FACT IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS ONE HOA MEETING WITH ONE IN ATTENDANCE, ONE A PROPONENT, NOBODY KNEW ABOUT IT.

SO I WANT TO STATE THAT OUR BOARD RIGHT NOW WITH 663 LOTS IS A DEVELOPER CONTROLLED HOA.

SO TO THAT EXTENT TO WHAT TO HOW MUCH WE WERE COMMUNICATED TO, WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

MARCH 22ND, THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT I THINK A LOT OF US STARTED TO REALLY LEARN ABOUT IT.

AND EVEN THEN YOU HAD ABOUT 86 PROJECT INPUTS THAT WERE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSAL OR REZONING PLAN.

AND IN THAT NIGHT, ABOUT TEN SPOKE UP IN OPPOSITION.

SO SINCE THEN, WE'VE BEEN GATHERING TOGETHER OUR LOOKING AT OUR REASONS WHY AND THE REASONS FOR AND BEING ABLE TO TEST AND SOLIDIFY WHAT OUR POSITION IS AS A COMMUNITY, AS YOU SEE, FILLING THIS ROOM.

AND HOPEFULLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO LEAVE WITH YOU IS AN IMPRESSION THAT WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO CHANGE.

RIGHT. BUT WE WANT TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND CERTAINLY IDEALLY THAT THE COMMUNITY IS ENGAGED.

WHEN I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE MARCH 22ND PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, I WASN'T EVEN IN ATTENDANCE BECAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT THEN.

WAS IT COMMISSIONER BOX AND COMMISSIONER CONE SAID, WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH SUCH A BIG CHANGE LIKE THIS FROM 10 TO 61 OR WHATEVER IT WAS, 13 TO 61, THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT.

AND WE DON'T FEEL THAT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, RIGHT? BASED ON WHAT HAD TRANSPIRED, THE ONLY MEETING THAT WE HAD WAS APRIL 12TH, ABOUT A WEEK AGO WHEN ONE OF OUR HOMEOWNERS APPROACHED THE DEVELOPER TO SAY, HEY, LET'S DO A Q&A.

THAT'S THE ONLY TIME. AND AT THAT TIME, THERE WERE 80 PEOPLE IN OUR SOUTH AMENITY CENTER TO BE ABLE TO HEAR OUT WHAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE SAYING.

SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE COMMUNICATE WELL IS HOW IMPORTANT THIS PARCEL OF LAND IS BECAUSE IT IS PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

IT'S CONNECTED.

IT ISN'T JUST ADJACENT.

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THAT'S UNDEVELOPED LAND, IT IS PART OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE SEE DAY IN, DAY OUT.

AND AS FAR AS THE THE FABRIC OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE SCHOOLS ARE AND WHERE THE THE OTHER SUBURBS ARE, IT'S REALLY FLOWS REALLY WELL IN THAT SITUATION. SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD IS, YOU KNOW, IS IT COMPARABLE TO THE CANALS AT GRAND PARK? NO. YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEING USED AS AN EXAMPLE.

BUT IN THAT PERSPECTIVE, THE BUYERS WERE AWARE OF WHAT THEY WERE BUYING INTO THE COMPOSITION SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, TOWNHOMES AND APARTMENTS AT THAT.

SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A COMPARISON, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S GOING TO SIT ACROSS GRAND PARK.

SO I THINK I KNOW I'M OUT OF TIME HERE, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY WE LOVE FRISCO.

MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED HERE, CHOSE IT OUT OF MANY, MANY CITIES.

WE MOVED FROM DENVER, COLORADO.

AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE LOVED IT IS THE DIVERSITY, RIGHT? THE URBAN AND THE SUBURBAN LIVING AND HOW WELL IT'S BALANCED IN BEING ABLE.

I CAN EVEN BIKE TO WORK 20 MINUTES AWAY AT HALL PARK AND THAT IS SUCH A NICE LIVING.

I'M REDUCING MY CARBON FOOTPRINT, GETTING SOME EXERCISE AND BEING ABLE TO REALLY SEE A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO JUST TO LEAVE IT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR OUR FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY THAT WE ARE NOW CALLING HOME.

AND I JUST HOPE THAT WE LOOK AT THIS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AND AND REALLY SEE IF IT'S REALLY RESPONSIBLE AND IF IT'S IN THE RIGHT SPOT FOR THAT AREA.

SO THANK YOU.

RAJ IYER.

THEN WE'LL HAVE DAN ROSS AND ALEX CHING.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS RAJ IYER. I LIVE IN 6466 LASSETER TRIAL [INAUDIBLE] COMMUNITY.

CONGRATULATIONS, LAURA.

I THINK I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF ITEMS. TRAFFIC. WE NEEDED TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC IN A KIND OF A TWO DIFFERENT ANGLE.

ONE IS A KIND OF A MACRO TRAFFIC.

AND WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THE KIND OF A MICRO TRAFFIC PATTERN.

I JUST WANTED TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION THAT FOURTH ARMY THAT THE CITY HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB CONNECTING FOURTH ARMY TO LEBANON.

THANK YOU. BUT THE FOURTH ARMY IS A KIND OF A MAX CAPACITY.

IT IS LIKE A TWO LANE, TWO LANE ROAD.

FOURTH ARMY ALSO HAS A SECOND OF A DEAD DIAMOND POINT LANE TO THE NORTH IN PEAK MORNING, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS GOING TO BE CROWDED AS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME THROUGH THE FOURTH ARMY TO TAKE A LEFT AT THE LIGHT, TO GET TO STONE BROOK AND GET A [INAUDIBLE] WITH THE 61 TOWNHOMES.

WE ARE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE.

ONE THING TO RUN THE TRAFFIC MODELS, OTHER ONE TO REALLY JUST TO LIVE THERE AND TO SEE DAY IN, DAY OUT WHEN I TRY TO EVEN TAKE A DROP MY KID TO ALLEN YOU TAKE LIKE A 4 TO 6 MINUTES ON 7:30 7:40 A.M.

TO MAKE A SIMPLE RIGHT TURN TO FROM A SOUTH SIDE OF H2.

IT IS REALLY BAD AND I HOPE SOME OF YOU EXPERIENCE THAT.

AND THE OTHER THING I NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THE SAFETY, TRYING TO LOAD UP THE EASTBOUND OFF OF STONE BROOK FROM [INAUDIBLE], FOLKS MAY TRY TO CUT INTO THE KIND OF A MEDIAN IT IS GOING TO CREATE, A KIND OF A DANGEROUS AND IT MAY CAUSE MORE ACCIDENTS AS WELL.

I ALSO ASK THIS COUNCIL TO REALLY JUST LOOK AT THE RECENT ACCIDENT DATA.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAD A ONE FATAL ACCIDENT AT LEGACY AND STONE BROOK, AND WE HAVE SEEN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ACCIDENTS HAPPEN IN THE KIND OF RECENT TIME.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC MODELS.

A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC MODELS ARE WHAT DESCRIBED THERE ARE LINEAR STATIC MODELS.

PROBABLY WE WILL KNOW FROM A KIND OF A LOT OF OTHER THINGS WE HAVE DONE IN BANKING SIDE.

IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE BEHAVIORAL DATA OF THE DRIVER.

LET ME JUST GIVE YOU A KIND OF AN ACTUAL EXAMPLE.

ONCE THE APPS LIKE A WAZE, THIS IS GOING TO REALLY JUST EVENTUALLY PUSH THE CARS TO KIND OF [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO AND THEY ARE GOING TO CROWD UP THE ONE ELEMENT TREE AND THE CAR IS GOING TO SEE ALTERNATE AREAS LIKE LEGACY AND COTTON GIN.

WORTH NOTING THAT TIA, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS HAS NOT BEEN PERFORMED.

LET'S QUICKLY TOUCH UPON PARKING.

THERE IS GOING TO BE 120 TO 150 CARS FROM THESE 61 HOMES.

DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE SECONDARY PARKING SITUATION.

LAWN CARE PEOPLE, HOUSEMAIDS, HANDYMEN, ROOFER, MAINTENANCE WORKER, ELECTRIC CABLE, UTILITY WORKERS AND MANY, MANY VISITORS GOING TO COME TO THIS LOCATION.

THERE ARE CONCERNS WITH THE FIRST RESPONDERS.

WE LOOKED AT THE USE CRITERIA.

WE THINK THAT IT IS MUCH LOWER.

IN A SECOND, LET ME JUST TO CLOSE THE WE HAVE GONE THROUGH SO MANY DIFFERENT CHANGES.

THIS MASTERPLAN HAS CHANGED A NUMBER OF TIMES.

I WANT TO REITERATE, WE ARE IN FAVOR OF RIGHT DENSITY IN RIGHT PLACES IN THE CITY OF FRISCO.

WE ARE FAVOR OF DIVERSIFIED HOUSING.

BUT THIS PLAN IS INAPPROPRIATE IN RESPONSIBLE USE OF THE SITE.

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THIS COUNCIL ALREADY SAID IN COURT EVERYONE LOVES SEEING LARGER LOTS AND REDUCED DENSITY.

AND OF COURSE, I HAVE TO SAY WE COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

WE LOVE CITY OF FRISCO AND WE CHOOSE TO LIVE AND RAISE FAMILY HERE.

CITY HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB AND WE HOPE THE CITY MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION AND COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION OUR COMMUNITY DID.

IT IS NOT THE RIGHT DENSITY, UNFORTUNATELY.

IT IS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE EITHER.

PLEASE. MANY OF US ARE HERE.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU AGREE THAT THE PROPOSED PLAN BY THIS DEVELOPER IS INAPPROPRIATE AND IRRESPONSIBLE USE OF THIS SITE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND DAN ROSS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

CITY COUNCIL. MR. MAYOR.

MY NAME IS DAN ROSS. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF FRISCO SINCE 2004.

I LIVE ON MAPLE DRIVE AND PEARSON FARMS AND OUR HOME BACKS UP TO FOURTH ARMY, ONE OF THE PROPOSED CROSS STREETS OF THE EDGE STONE DEVELOPMENT AND THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE.

THE MAYOR AND HIS FIRM HELPED SELL MY PREVIOUS HOUSE IN THE TRAILS, HELPED US HELP REPRESENT US WITH SHATTERED HOMES IN PURCHASING OUR HOME THAT WE GOT IN PEARSON FARMS. ONE REASON WHY I LEFT THE TRAILS.

TRAFFIC WAS A DISASTER.

I MEAN, IT WAS BACKED UP PAST MAIN STREET, PAST THE ENTRYWAY IN THERE.

THIS I DON'T SEE THIS IS GOING TO DO THE EXACT SAME THING.

JUST TRAFFIC'S GOING TO BE A COMPLETE NIGHTMARE.

YOU KNOW, THEY MENTIONED ABOUT TRAFFIC.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO IT SO MUCH, BUT I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT THEY WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT THAT.

TURNING RIGHT THERE AT FOURTH ARMY AND STONE BROOK.

IT'S ALREADY VERY, VERY TIGHT.

BUT I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY TO VOICE MY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED CHANGE IN ZONING AT FOURTH ARMY AND STONE BROOK.

I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE INCREASED DENSITY OF THE PROJECT, LIKE A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GOING FROM TEN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND CONVERTING THEM INTO OVER 60 TOWNHOMES, MORE THAN A6X INCREASE WITH MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING AS EVEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION NOTED IN THEIR FILES AND IN THEIR NOTES.

I CONSIDER SUCH A PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE TO BE IN FAVOR OF MORE DENSITY.

THIS IS CONVERTING PRIME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONED LAND BACKWARDS, IN MY OPINION.

HERE I AM THINKING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GO MORE IN FAVOR OF OF LESS CONDOS, LESS APARTMENT, MORE RESIDENTIAL USE.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALREADY ZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

AND I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING DENSITY IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THIS WAS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL FROM WHERE IT WAS JUST FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, TO ME, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT ZERO POLITICAL AMBITIONS, NONE AT ALL.

I COULD CARE LESS, BUT I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST AS A MATTER OF COMMON SENSE AND PUBLIC RECORD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU VOTE FOR MORE DENSITY, IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE PUBLIC RECORD WHEN THE NEXT ZONING THING HAPPENS.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT IS, YOU KNOW.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ABOUT TWO ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT I DIDN'T HEAR MENTIONED FROM JOHN WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IT.

ONE WAS PARK WEST WAS KIND OF BROUGHT UP AS IN GENERAL, SPEAKING AS I WAS COMING HERE TONIGHT, I DROVE BY PARK WEST AND I'M NOTICING IT'S STEEL.

IT'S NOT BRICK FACING MAIN STREET.

YOU'VE GOT A TWO CAR GARAGE WITH TWO CARS IN ON THE DRIVEWAY, ONE PARKED ACROSS THE ALLEYWAY.

IT JUST IS NOT VISUALLY APPEALING LIKE MOST OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT YOU SEE THROUGHOUT FRISCO.

THEN THE SECOND ONE IS THE NORTH END OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE PEARSON FARMS COMMON AREA.

SO THERE'S A THERE'S A POND RIGHT THERE THAT THOSE AREAS WOULD ACTUALLY BE CLOSER TO THE PEARSON FARMS COMMON AREA THAT IS NOT GATED, IT'S NOT BLOCKED IN OR ANYTHING AS OPPOSED TO THE COMMON AREA THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT AS FAR AS RESEARCH ON THAT OR WHAT THE WHAT THE PROPOSED IMPACTS MIGHT BE ON ON THE PEARSON FARMS COMMUNITY.

SO JUST, YOU KNOW, IN CONCLUSION, I WOULD JUST I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU I'M SURE IF, YOU KNOW, I'M BLESSED I MANAGED TO BUY THIS HOME IN 2013 WHERE WE'VE MADE SIZABLE APPRECIATION.

I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE YOU KNOW, I'M NOT LOOKING TO SELL MY HOUSE BY ANY MEANS.

BUT IF I JUST SPENT $1.3 MILLION ON A HOUSE, I FEEL AS THOUGH I GOT BAIT AND SWITCHED.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. ALEX CHING.

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LET ME TURN TO YOU THE REST OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

IT'S AN HONOR TO MEET YOU GUYS.

I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR TWO THINGS.

ONE IS MY APPEARANCE.

I WAS NOT ACTUALLY EXPECTING TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

THIS WAS VERY IMPROMPTU.

AND THE OTHER I AM PARTIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT NOISE THAT YOU HEAR IN THE PARK WITH THE SCREAMING BABY.

SO I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE HERE FOR THE SAKE OF THEIR BAD TIMES.

I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS REALLY SHORT AND SWEET AND JUST SAY I SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SPOKEN BY ALL THE SPEAKERS PRIOR.

MY FAMILY AND I, WE MOVED HERE FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA TO ESCAPE THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

AND WE MADE WE BOUGHT A HOUSE IN EDGE STONE.

AND WE JUST MOVED IN TWO MONTHS AGO, BUT WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE IN 2020 AND HAVE BEEN BUILDING EVER SINCE.

AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE DID MAKE OUR PURCHASE OUT OF THE MANY SPOTS THAT WERE STILL AVAILABLE IN 2020 WAS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THIS WAS ZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY.

THAT WAS A CRITICAL CRITERIA FOR US TO BE IN A SINGLE FAMILY SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE WE WANTED TO ESCAPE THE TOWNHOUSE LIFESTYLE FROM CALIFORNIA.

AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE KEY REASONS THAT WE MOVED TO TEXAS.

AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT ALL THE STATEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE PREVIOUS FOUR SPEAKERS.

THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU.

NEXT WE HAVE CRYSTAL KATHURIA.

AM I MISPRONOUNCING IT SO BAD THAT KRYSTAL DOESN'T? SORRY. WAS CLEAR FOR.

CLEAR FOR. YES, I AM.

I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS SPEAKING. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK IF YOU.

I WILL, THOUGH. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING.

I ACTUALLY DID WANT TO MENTION SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS DEVELOPER, BUT THE LAND THAT HE MENTIONED THAT COULD BE A DAYCARE OR COULD BE A CHURCH THAT WAS ALREADY PARTITIONED, WAS ACTUALLY LOCATED ON LEGACY ROAD.

AND THERE WAS A LARGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LEGACY ROAD AND FOURTH ARMY ROAD, AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW MANY LANES THAT THERE ARE ON LEGACY.

AND THERE'S ALREADY A KROGER AND ALREADY LARGE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE AND A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT IS THERE.

AND I THINK THE TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE ON FOURTH ARMY ROAD IS JUST VASTLY DIFFERENT.

THERE'S EVEN LIKE A DEAD END ESSENTIALLY AT THE END OF FOURTH ARMY ROAD.

SO I JUST THINK TRAFFIC WISE, IT'S JUST IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE AT ALL.

AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT ALL OF YOU TAKE A TRIP AND VISIT THIS LOCATION IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY, AND JUST SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT PLOT OF LAND THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS ON THE CORNER OF STONE BROOK, AND LEGACY AND THE PLOT OF LAND THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF FOURTH ARMY AND STONE BROOK.

AND THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO ADD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

FRANCIS [INAUDIBLE]. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

WELCOME. LAURA RUMMEL.

SO I AGREE WITH ALL THE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.

AND ALSO ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS AS YOU KNOW, GROWING OUR FAMILY.

WHEN MY CHILDREN GO TO VAUGHN ELEMENTARY, I WOULD LIKE MY OTHER CHILDREN GO TO VAUGHN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL EVENTUALLY BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE OF CHILDREN POTENTIALLY IN THE OTHER TOWNHOMES. I DON'T WANT TO GO TO TWO DIFFERENT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS FOR BOTH THE KIDS ONCE THEY BOTH GO TO THE SAME ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

AND ALSO IT'S ALREADY ROUGH TRYING TO CROSS THE STREET TO GO TO VAUGHN ELEMENTARY PARK ON THE WEEKENDS AND AFTER SCHOOL.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT TO WHERE I CAN JUST WALK WITH MY KIDS AND A TWO LANE, THREE LANE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WATCH FOR ALL THE CARS.

BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE VINO KODAL.

HI. I'M A RESIDENT OF 6816 BOND STREET, FRISCO AS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE.

I MOVED FROM CONNECTICUT IN THE HOPES OF ACTUALLY BUILDING A NEW FUTURE FOR MY CHILDREN.

I HAVE TWIN BOYS, SO MY GOAL OF RAISING CHILDREN IS LIKE THE TEXAN STYLE, RIGHT? A VAST OPEN SPACE.

PEOPLE ARE LOVING AND WHATNOT.

RIGHT. I THINK SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE A CODE IS IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH WHAT I CAME FROM, FROM CONNECTICUT IN GENERAL.

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RIGHT. SO WE SHOULD BE DIVERSE AND WE SHOULD BE LETTING ALL THE COMMUNITIES GO TOGETHER.

RIGHT. BUT THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE IS REALLY BOTHERING ME IS BECAUSE IT'S THE DENSITY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE DENSITY OF 61 HOMES, 61 FAMILIES MOVING IN.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE RACE OR THE RELIGION OR THE, YOU KNOW, THE POVERTY OR IT IS NOT THAT IT IS THE DENSITY IS THE PROBLEM.

RIGHT. AS ONE OF THE WOMEN HAS COMPLAINED, IT'S REALLY IT'S A DEAD END.

IT'S A LOW TRAFFIC AREA.

AND WE ARE TRYING TO CRAM IN 61 FAMILIES IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, WHICH IS THE PROBLEM HERE.

AND I REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO THINK AS PARENTS, AS FAMILIES, WHAT WOULD YOU DO WHEN YOU WERE TO SEE 61 FAMILIES MOVE AT THAT CRAMMED IN LOCATION? THAT'S THE CHALLENGE.

AND WE ARE THINKING ABOUT LIKE RAISING MY CHILDREN, THE FAMILIES HERE AND MY BACK, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEXT 20, 30 YEARS.

RIGHT. WE CAME HERE AS A HOME, AS A FAMILY TO THIS AREA.

AND WE ARE YET AGAIN, YOU KNOW, LIKE TREATED AS EITHER NEW YORK OR CONNECTICUT, ANOTHER DENSELY POPULATED.

THIS IS WHAT I DID NOT REALLY SIGN UP FOR.

THE TRAFFIC DENSITY IS ONE THING.

AND THE OTHER THING IS IT BECOMES A MORAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR EACH AND EVERY PERSON IN THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY APPROVING OR DENYING THIS PARTICULAR ZONING CHANGE.

YOU ARE SETTING THE PRECEDENCE FOR THE CITY OF FRISCO.

IT'S NOT EVEN THE EDGE STONE.

IT IS LIKE WE AS THE CITY ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT.

AND PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO FAVOR TO OPPOSE THIS DEVELOPMENTAL CHANGE.

RIGHT. WE ARE STRICTLY AGAINST THIS.

I HOPE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MADE ENOUGH REASONS FOR EVERYONE HERE TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE MAYOR THAT THIS IS A BAD IDEA FOR EDGE STONE AND ALSO FOR THE CITY OF FRISCO.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

NEXT, WE HAVE ROBERT DESANTIS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M GOING TO I'D JUST LIKE TO RE ECHO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE SAID BY MOST OF THE INDIVIDUALS OUT HERE.

I RETIRED FROM THE NAVY.

MY DAUGHTER, MY WIFE AND I MOVED OUT HERE, OBVIOUSLY, TO FRISCO, WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

AND ED STONE, IT WAS IT WAS HANDS DOWN, PROBABLY THE BEST AREA THAT WE LOOKED AT.

AND MY DAUGHTER AND HER FAMILY HAVE MOVED HERE.

ALSO LIVE IN EDGE STONE.

SO WE HAVE TWO FAMILIES THERE.

SOMEBODY MENTIONED BAIT AND SWITCH OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.

YEAH. TWO YEARS AGO, WE WERE LOOKING, OF COURSE, THE PANDEMIC AND DELAYS IN GETTING HOUSES BUILT AND EVERYTHING.

BUT NONETHELESS, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT REMINDS ME OF.

I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE.

AND AGAIN, ONE THOUGHT, IF YOU GO AND YOU STAND AT FOURTH ARMY AND EDGE STONE AND STONE BROOK AND YOU JUST STAND THERE AND WATCH THE TRAFFIC AT VARIOUS HOURS OF THE DAY TO PUT TO GO FROM TEN HOMES TO 61 HOMES.

YOU WILL SEE THAT TRAFFIC IS IS IS PRETTY BAD.

WHEN A HIGH SCHOOL GETS OUT, IT'S EVEN WORSE.

SO LOTS OF PEOPLE ADDING ADDING MORE TRAFFIC.

SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BEFORE YOU DO.

THANK YOU. KATHRYN HADAWAY.

HI. MY NAME IS CATHERINE HADAWAY.

I LIVE IN PEARSON FARMS AT 3881 FAYETTE TRAIL.

AND SORRY FOR THE WAY I LOOK TODAY.

TODAY'S THE DAY AFTER TAX SEASON, BUT I AM IN MY LEADERSHIP.

FRISCO CLASS CLASS 25 BEST CLASS EVER.

CONGRATULATIONS, LAURA.

ALSO CLASS 25.

SO I WANT YOU TO LIVE MY 5:00 TRAFFIC ROUTINE WITH ME AS I'M DRIVING DOWN STONE BROOK AND I GET CLOSE TO FOURTH ARMY, I PUT BOTH HANDS ON THE STEERING WHEEL, TURN ON THE TURN SIGNAL AND PRAY.

I ALWAYS THINK I'M GOING TO GET REAR ENDED.

AND EVEN BEFORE THIS PROPOSAL, THAT WAS A VERY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION IN THE MORNING WHEN I'M TAKING MY KIDS TO SCHOOL AND I'M HAVING TO MAKE A LEFT ON TO STONE BROOK, PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING WRITES CUT INTO THAT LEFT TURN ALL THE TIME.

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SO EVEN BEFORE THIS, THAT WAS AN INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS PLACE.

THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER WHENEVER THEY BROUGHT UP THE NUMBERS ABOUT TOWNHOMES HISTORICALLY HAVE HAD FEWER CHILDREN LIVING THERE.

I CAN TELL YOU, I EMPLOY THREE MILLENNIALS THAT ALL WITHIN GEN Z'S THAT WOULD ALL LOVE TO BUY A HOUSE AND THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T.

THEY'RE BUYING TOWNHOMES.

YOU'RE GOING TO START TO SEE THESE YOUNGER GENERATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE HAVING THE YOUNG CHILDREN LIVE IN TOWNHOMES DUE TO AFFORDABILITY.

AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WILL NOT GO TO VAUGHAN.

THEY'LL BE ABLE TO WAVE TO IT, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CROSS AND GO TO ALLEN.

THAT'S A DANGEROUS, DANGEROUS INTERSECTION THEY HAVE TO CROSS TO GO TO ALLEN.

SO BUT THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER DISCUSSION WITH FRISCO ISD AND THEIR RIDICULOUS ZONING.

THE OTHER THING ABOUT MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I LOVE, WE HAVE GREAT AMENITIES AND DURING COVID, PEOPLE FOUND OUT ABOUT OUR AMENITIES AND WE'RE NOW A DESTINATION NEIGHBORHOOD.

PEOPLE LIKE TO COME AND WALK OUR PONDS.

THE THINGS THAT OUR HOA PAYS FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE CLOSER TO THOSE AMENITIES THAN I AM IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I PAY FOR.

SO I'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD.

I'M MARRIED TO AN ARCHITECT.

I'M NEVER ONE TO SAY NOT IN MY BACKYARD, BUT I AM.

I DO KNOW THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE A LOT OF MONEY ON THE CPA.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO IF THEY COULD ALSO HELP US WITH THOSE AMENITY COSTS, BECAUSE THOSE RESIDENTS WILL BE ENJOYING WHAT WE PAY FOR.

SO THOSE ARE MY THREE BIG THINGS.

TRAFFIC SUCKS, THE SCHOOL ZONING WILL BE A BIG ISSUE THERE AND HELPING US WITH OUR AMENITY COSTS THAT THEY'LL BE ENJOYING.

SO THINGS.

NEXT, WE HAVE [INAUDIBLE] PROBABLY NOT THE WAY YOU'D SAY IT, BUT.

3767. ANYBODY KNOW? THEN OUR LAST SPEAKER WILL BE.

I CAN'T READ. CAN YOU READ THAT? [INAUDIBLE] MY EYESIGHT'S FAILING ME.

AND IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT HASN'T BEEN CALLED THAT WOULD STILL LIKE TO SPEAK, WE CAN STILL TAKE BLUE CARDS.

THANK YOU. I'M SUPER NERVOUS.

I HOPE I MAKE MY POINT CLEAR.

I MOVED FROM IRVING AS A FAMILY.

WE ARE A FAMILY OF FOUR.

I HAVE TWO KIDS WHO GO TO HIGH SCHOOL IN MIDDLE SCHOOL.

I GO OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I CAN SEE THE SCHOOL RIGHT THERE.

BUT I CAN'T GO TO IT BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY CROWDED IN THE AREA.

SO BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL ZONE DISTRICT.

I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF REQUESTS TO ZONE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THERE.

AND BECAUSE OF THE POPULATION, THE DYNAMICS, WHATEVER, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED.

SO IT'S DISHEARTENING TO KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO CONVERT MORE HOMES TO BE ZONED INTO THAT SAME AREA.

SO EACH TOWN WILL NEVER HAVE A CHANCE OF SENDING OUR HIGH SCHOOL KIDS AND MIDDLE SCHOOL KIDS JUST WITH WALKING DISTANCE.

THE OTHER POINT IS, WHEN WE MOVED FROM IRVING, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION TODAY THAT WE HEARD ABOUT CONDO OWNERSHIP AND ALL OF THAT.

I OWN A CONDO IN IRVING, ACTUALLY, AND IT'S AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY AND I AM AN OWNER AND I RENT IT TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE KIDS THAT GO INTO THAT SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THEY'RE ALL ZONED IN THE COPPELL SCHOOL DISTRICT, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW.

WE COMPARE OURSELVES TO BEING THE BEST DISTRICT AROUND.

WE MOVED OUR KIDS FROM COPPELL TO COME TO FRISCO WITH THE EXACT REASON WHY WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE IN A HIGH DENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN WE MOVED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND THREE YEARS BACK.

WE WERE PARTICULARLY SOLD THAT THIS WILL BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING WALKING TRAILS IN THAT EXACT PLACE.

AND THAT IS WHAT EVERY BUILDER SOLD.

AND IF I'M LYING, PLEASE, IF ANYBODY HAS HEARD ANYTHING DIFFERENT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

BUT EVERY PERSON IN THIS ROOM IS OPPOSED.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS IF YOU KNOW THAT EVERY BUILDER WHO SOLD YOU THE PROPERTY TOLD US THAT THERE WERE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BEFORE.

YEAH. SO MY ONLY POINT IS CONDO INVESTMENTS, AS YOU HEARD FROM OTHERS AS WELL.

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MOST OF THEM ARE INVESTMENT HOMES.

IF THEY ARE NOT IN THE INITIAL STAGES, THEY WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME.

SO. I SERIOUSLY REQUEST THE FISCAL COUNCIL MEMBERS TO CONSIDER AND HELP US BE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE LONG TERM.

THANK YOU. DO WE WANT TO READ? OKAY. WE HAVE TO READ ALL THE OTHERS INTO RECORD OR WE'LL JUST BE INCLUDED IN THE RECORD.

I WOULD READ THEM INTO THE RECORD, FRANKLY.

BUT YOU CAN SAY THE NAMES AND PUT THEM IN THE RECORD IF YOU WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY.

DO YOU WANT TO SPLIT THOSE UP SOME? YES, I WOULD LIKE TO DO A FEW.

I'LL DO IT FOR YOU. YOU DO FEEL THAT? YEAH. I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK.

CYRUS SINGER.

WE CAN EVEN MAKE THE SHORTER.

I BELIEVE THAT STACK IS ALL IN OPPOSITION.

DOESN'T WANT TO SPEAK, CORRECT, BRIAN? CORRECT. THIS ONE.

SO IT WAS BACKWARDS.

SUPPORT THE FIRST ONE.

CONFUSE ME ALREADY. PLEASE RECORD MY SUPPORT OF OPPOSITION.

OK.

LINA MARRERO OPPOSE.

JANIE ABRAHAM OPPOSED.

TJ GEORGE OPPOSE.

THESE ARE ALL OPPOSE UNLESS I SAY OTHERWISE.

RITESH KALRA.

KARAN SINGH.

ANAND ANDREW VALENCIA MCCLURE.

BWANA PRANAV SHAH AKILAH MARTHA ASHWINI VARDA.

PAULINE NIKITA NESSA DIANA SHIVA MIRIAM GUSTAV KUMAR RAJAN DAMAN PRADEEP REDDY MANJARI SHRI PAUL.

I'M BLAMING ANY MISPRONOUNCING ON YOUR HANDWRITING.

SONJA JEMAND RAJITHA YALLA.

BHARTI SHAHAR SAJA DURAN HEMA BINDU.

JOHN FRIGO SUNDEEP D'SOUZA PENARTH ROIS PRASHANT BOOYA SUNIL KUNDU MICHELLE BURGER NAHA GOM JUSTICE M VINCENT HICKS SETHI NARA MARY V PAOLA SALOVEY BENNETT BURGER RAMA KHASHAN AND ANDREW PINKERTON.

AND ALL THESE ARE OPPOSED UNLESS I SAY OTHERWISE.

DINESH LINKY YOU READY? CANAL RAPPELLING PRE COULD KANANI.

SURYA KASSAR.

RAJO TEJ.

BEN NASRI.

HRISHIKESH COLANERI, KRISHNA JAGA SALA, SARITA GUPTA MARAM BHAVIK [INAUDIBLE] SANJEEV KUMAR.

[INAUDIBLE] . AGAIN, IT'S THE HANDWRITING.

I AGREE WITH THEM. NATALIA TORETTO.

[INAUDIBLE] CONRAD, DIANA AND JOE CHRISTIAN NAILED THAT ONE.

PRIYA PAREKH GREG HERMAN CAN.

TARA MALHOTRA MINAL MALHOTRA.

POOR PATEL, RAJA HEBERT AND MICHAEL D MCGEE.

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THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT.

YOU CALL THE APPLICANT. YES, THE APPLICANT IS HERE, JIM.

T COME UP AND SPEAK.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS JIM [INAUDIBLE].

THANK YOU. I'M WITH CONTOUR, REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPMENT.

WE ARE THE DEVELOPER OF THIS PROJECT.

THE APPLICANT.

I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE ITEMS THAT I DID HEAR MENTIONED IN THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION, BUT I THINK THAT JOHN DEFINITELY HIT ALL OF THE HIGHLIGHTS AS FAR AS THE PROJECT.

SO I'LL DEFER ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY TO OUR DESIGN, OUR PROPOSAL.

I THINK JOHN'S HANDLED A LOT OF THAT, SO I WON'T GO OVER THAT AGAIN.

ONE OF THE FIRST SPEAKERS HAD MENTIONED THAT THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE THE NOTICE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT WE DID FOLLOW THE CITY PROCEDURES ON NOTICING EVERYONE AND STAFF WAS ACTUALLY REPRESENTED AT EACH ONE OF OUR MEETINGS THAT WE HAD, INCLUDING LAST TUESDAY, WHICH WAS A VOLUNTEER MEETING.

AND WE CERTAINLY TRIED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND I DO FEEL BAD THAT THEY WEREN'T NOTICED EARLIER WITH REGARDS TO A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC AND PARKING CONCERNS.

I JUST WANTED TO AGAIN REITERATE THAT STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS AND DOES NOT SEE A PROBLEM.

THE COLLECTOR STREETS THAT THAT ARE ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS PROJECT ARE DESIGNED TO SUPPORT THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT THAT WE WOULD BRING ON TO THE SURROUNDING ROADWAYS.

WE FEEL THAT THAT REALLY WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

I KNOW THAT THERE WAS I THINK 35% IS WHAT THEY HAD ALLUDED TO ON ON HOW MANY PEOPLE SIGNED THE PETITION.

BUT BUT WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO ATTRACT A LOT OF BUYERS OR BUYERS ARE ACTUALLY COME FROM THIS SURROUNDING AREA.

SO IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE KIDS THAT GREW UP IN THIS AREA THAT HAVE GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE AND WANT THEIR FIRST HOME.

WE THINK THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE CLOSE TO THEIR PARENTS, BUT THERE'S AN AFFORDABILITY HERE WITH THESE HOMES.

THESE ARE GOING TO START IN THE $500,000 RANGE IS WHAT WE ANTICIPATE.

AND THEN AND THEN THE OTHER THE BUYER THAT WE THINK IS A STRONG POSSIBILITY ARE FAMILIES THAT RAISE THEIR KIDS IN THIS GENERAL AREA, STILL WANT TO GO TO THE SAME GROCERY STORE OR PHARMACY OR DRYCLEANERS, BUT THEY DON'T WANT THE MAINTENANCE OR THEY WANT A SECOND HOME, BUT THEY STILL WANT TO LIVE IN THE SAME AREA. THIS IS MORE OF A LOCK AND LEAVE LIFESTYLE.

SO THIS WE FEEL THAT THIS TYPE OF HOUSING IS A HOUSING CHOICE, NOT A SACRIFICE, PARTICULARLY AT THE PRICE POINT THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL BE YET. AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE SOMETHING THAT JOHN HAD SAID, THAT BASED ON THE ORIGINAL PD, THAT EVEN IF THIS IS APPROVED WITH OUR 61 UNITS, THAT THE LOT COUNT WILL STILL BE BELOW WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN THE PD WHEN IT WAS ZONED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.

AND THEN I'VE GOT JOHN PALMER, WHO IS UP HERE WITH ME, WHO IS IS PART OF STONEBRIDGE PARTNERS WHO ACTUALLY BOUGHT THE LAND TWO YEARS AGO FROM HINES.

AND HE'D LIKE TO COME UP HERE AND EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO DATE.

THANKS, JIM. MAYOR.

MAYOR, PRO TEM COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS JOHN PALMER.

I'M A DEVELOPER.

AND AS JIM SAID, I SAW THE HANDS GO UP FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION TODAY.

AND SO WHEN YOU COME AT THE END AND YOU'RE IN SUPPORT, IT'S ALWAYS KIND OF A UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION TO BE IN, BUT NEVERTHELESS, THERE'S REASONS FOR IT.

AND SO WE THINK WE HAVE GOOD REASONS.

I JUST WANT TO SHARE A COUPLE OF MINUTES ON THOSE AND THEN AS A WISE COUNSEL, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A DECISION.

WE DID BUY THIS LAND FROM HEINZ.

I DARESAY MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT WERE NOT HERE WHEN THE DEED WAS PASSED.

THEY BOUGHT HOUSES AND ARE A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION TODAY.

BUT THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE LIVING HERE BEFORE, BEFORE THIS WAS PASSED, BEFORE THESE HOMES WERE BUILT, AND THERE WAS OPPOSITION THEN, TOO.

BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES TONIGHT AND IT'S UP TO THIS COUNCIL, IS WHAT'S REALLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OPPOSITION TONIGHT, AND I'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THE 61 FUTURE HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE NOT HERE TONIGHT.

AND THEY REPRESENT PEOPLE WHO, AS JIM WAS SAYING, MAYBE LIVE HERE IN FRISCO, MAYBE SENIORS WHO ARE DOWNSIZING FROM A SINGLE FAMILY

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HOME BECAUSE THE AFFORDABILITY OF IT OR THEY JUST WANT LESS CARE AND MAINTENANCE, THAT THERE IS A BUYER IN FRISCO THAT IS NOT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THAT DOES NOT CANNOT AFFORD 1.2 MILLION HOUSE.

AND I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE PEOPLE TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY ARE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE NOW AND WILL BE COMING HERE.

I BUILT THE SENIOR LIVING OVER HERE, THE 183 PRESIDIUM, LUXURY SENIOR LIVING.

THERE WERE PEOPLE AND THERE WAS SOME OPPOSITION AND ANXIETY ABOUT IS THERE GOING TO BE MORE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE? I WOULD ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT TRAFFIC OR CRIME OR OTHER MANY OF THE OTHER VALID STATEMENTS TONIGHT WITH THE FACT THAT THE CITY OF FRISCO HAS A VERY SOLID TRACK RECORD OF ADDRESSING GROWTH.

AND SO TONIGHT, IF THIS IS A PART OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS, A HIGHER DENSITY HERE, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU TAKE A COUPLE OF THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.

P&Z DID PASS THIS WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR PASSING BASED UPON WHAT THEY SAW AND HEARD AND WHAT THEY'VE APPROVED IN THE PAST AND THE ISSUES OF TRAFFIC AND OTHER THINGS WE LEAVE TO THE PROFESSIONALS HERE AT THE CITY.

NO PROPOSAL IS APPROVED BY THE CITY THAT DOESN'T MEET VERY STRINGENT CRITERIA ON THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS THAT COMES BACK THROUGH P&Z AND CITY COUNCIL.

SO THIS IS A ZONING ISSUE.

SO WHAT I WOULD ASK IS LISTENING TO ALL THE PEOPLE TONIGHT, THEY HAD VERY VALID POINTS.

THEY'RE VERY PASSIONATE OR EMOTIONAL ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY, AS I AM AS WELL.

I'M A BIG LANDOWNER HERE IN FRISCO ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE IN EDGESTONE.

SO I HAVE A VESTED STAKE AND I WANT THE RIGHT THING TO BE DONE, TOO.

SO WE'LL LEAVE THOSE UP THAT UP TO YOUR CAPABLE HANDS AND APPRECIATE ALL THE PEOPLE COMING IN TODAY, AND WE WERE ABLE TO HEAR THEM.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, MOVE TO CLOSE.

MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY BRIAN.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT AND SHARING YOUR OPINIONS.

I KNOW WE HEARD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT NOT BEING NOTICED.

THAT'S PART OF WHY CITY STAFF KIND OF GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND AND PUTS OUT MORE SIGNS THAN IS REQUIRED AND PUTS OUT THE PUBLIC NOTICES BECAUSE THE INPUT OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES IS IMPORTANT TO US.

SO I HOPE EVERYONE THAT IS HERE TONIGHT FEELS THAT WAY.

FEELS THAT CITY STAFF HAS LISTENED.

FEELS LIKE CITY COUNCIL HAS RESPECTFULLY LISTENED.

THIS IS PROBABLY MANY OF YOU ALL'S FIRST COUNCIL MEETING THAT YOU'VE ATTENDED.

I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR A SHOW OF HANDS; I'D PROBABLY GET A LOT OF THEM, AND FOR MANY OF YOU IT MAY BE YOUR LAST THAT YOU EVER ATTEND, AND WE SPEAK OFTENTIMES AS A COUNCIL WHEN WE'RE OUT THERE KNOCKING ON DOORS OR SPEAKING TO PEOPLE PEOPLE IN THIS AUDIENCE MAY AGREE WITH 99% OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE AS A COUNCIL, BUT THE ONE THAT THEY PAID ATTENTION TO OR WAS SPECIFIC TO THEIR HOME THEY DISAGREED WITH, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT THEY REMEMBER.

SO IT'S A DAUNTING TASK AS A COUNCIL, WHEN YOU SEE THIS, MANY PEOPLE SHOW UP.

IT'S OUR JOB TO LISTEN.

IT'S OUR JOB TO REPRESENT YOU AS THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE TODAY AND NEARBY THERE.

IT'S OUR JOB THAT WILL TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THAT WILL COME AFTER YOU, THAT WILL MOVE INTO YOUR HOMES.

IT'S OUR JOB TO HAVE A VOICE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE MOST IMPACTED BY THIS ZONING CASE.

THE PEOPLE MOST IMPACTED BY THIS ZONING CASE ARE THE 26 HOMES THAT CURRENTLY HAS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN BUILT YET.

THOSE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE A VOICE HERE TONIGHT, AND THEY'LL BE THE MOST IMPACTED.

I WILL SAY THIS COUNCIL GENERALLY LOVES TO PLEASE PEOPLE.

WE LOVE TO PLEASE OUR RESIDENTS, AND OFTENTIMES WHEN PEOPLE COME TO THEIR FIRST CASE, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, COUNCIL ALREADY HAD THEIR DECISION MADE UP OR IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT WE SAID AT THE DAIS. I CAN TELL YOU I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THIS COUNCIL WILL VOTE ON THIS ITEM TONIGHT.

MY VOTE DOESN'T EVEN MATTER BECAUSE SINCE WE'RE AN ODD NUMBER, I WON'T BE VOTING ON THIS CASE.

I'M GOING TO TRY TO HELP NAVIGATE US TO A FINAL ANSWER, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF THESE ZONING CASES OVER THE YEARS WHERE MANY PEOPLE SHOWED UP, AND I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THEM WHERE THE AUDIENCE THAT HAD ONE POSITION GOT THE OUTCOME THEY WERE LOOKING FOR AND THEY WERE HAPPY THAT NIGHT, AND THEN YEARS LATER, THEY TOLD US THEY WERE DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE IT TURNED INTO SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T EXPECT.

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WE'VE HAD MORE INSTANCES THAN I CAN COUNT WHERE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE AUDIENCE, A LARGE GROUP, LEFT ANGRY AND UPSET AND SENT US NASTY EMAILS AFTERWARDS AND THEN YEARS LATER THANKED US AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU WERE RIGHT THAT NIGHT, AND NOW I SEE WHAT I HAD MISSED.

IT'S OUR JOB TO LISTEN TO EVERY SINGLE CONCERN.

THERE'S A LOT OF VALID CONCERNS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO POINT BY POINT.

I THINK PART OF THEM, THERE'S A LOT OF THEM THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

THERE'S A LOT OF THEM WHERE I THINK WE JUST NEED TO EDUCATE YOU AS OUR RESIDENTS WHY WE MAY NOT AGREE ON THOSE POINTS.

SO AS WE GO THROUGH THEM, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY THINGS THAT YOU DON'T AGREE WITH, AND SO I JUST URGE YOU TO SHOW THE COURTESY AND RESPECT THAT COUNCIL SHOWED DURING YOUR COMMENTS AND NOT SPEAK FROM THE AUDIENCE OR YELL FROM THE AUDIENCE OR THROW THINGS AT US THAT WE WILL HAVE A RESPECTFUL DIALOG AND WE WILL WORK TOGETHER AS A COUNCIL TO GET TO A FINAL DECISION.

SO HOW I'D LIKE TO HANDLE THIS PERHAPS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN NORMAL TO KEEP SOME STRUCTURE, SINCE THERE ARE JUST SO MANY DIFFERENT COMMENTS IN THE EMAILS, AND TONIGHT IS TO GO KIND OF POINT BY POINT EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM AND COUNCIL KIND OF AS I'M GOING THROUGH EACH ONE, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT SPECIFIC ITEM, LET'S KIND OF WORK THROUGH THEM ONE AT A TIME, AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE END, CERTAINLY SOME OF YOU COUNCILMEMBERS MAY HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I DID NOT BRING UP IN THE STRUCTURE, AND SO, JOHN, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE A POPULAR PERSON HERE TONIGHT.

SO WE'LL KIND OF START THERE.

CLARIFY WHICH JOHN.

SORRY. I THINK [INAUDIBLE] MIGHT BE A POPULAR PERSON, TOO, YOU KNOW.

SO I GUESS FIRST, WHAT I'D LIKE TO START WITH IS JUST FROM MORE OF THE HIGH LEVEL, THE PLATTING PROCESS, KIND OF WHAT THIS MEANS.

SO I HAD RECEIVED A CALL FROM A RESIDENT ASKING ABOUT IF WE OPEN UP THE PD, IT'S OPENING UP THE WHOLE PD.

IF WE APPROVE TOWNHOMES, IT COULD POTENTIALLY APPROVE TOWNHOMES IN OTHER LOCATIONS OR SOMEONE TORE DOWN A HOUSE.

THEY COULD REBUILD A TOWNHOME.

THIS IS NOT CHANGING THE REST OF THE EDGESTONE PD, IT'S ACTUALLY JUST REMOVING THIS CORNER FROM THE PD AND SEPARATING IT, AND IF IT WERE TO PASS, THE REST OF THE PD WOULD LIVE ON AS IT DID CORRECT THE THREE CORNERS. SO WHEN THE INITIAL PLAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, TRAFFIC STUDIES WERE DONE.

WE HAVE TECHNICAL PROBLEMS. WELL TRYING TO GET TO THE PRESENTATION AND I'LL LET THE VIDEO GUYS TAKE CARE OF THAT.

WHEN WE APPROVE AN INITIAL PLAT FOR ANY NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANY DEVELOPMENT, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE 10 TO 15 YEAR PROJECTS, IT'S PRETTY RARE, IF EVER, THAT THE FINAL PRODUCT IS WHAT WAS INITIALLY PRESENTED OVER THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT.

MARKET CONDITIONS CHANGE, MARKET DESIRES CHANGE.

THINGS PROVE TO BE NOT COMMERCIALLY VIABLE AND THROUGH A PROCESS OF YEARS COMES THROUGH BEFORE COUNCIL FOR DIFFERENT REQUESTS.

MAYBE EXPLAIN THAT IT HAPPENS IN ALMOST EVERY DEVELOPMENT IT DOES.

SO WHEN IT'S A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S A ZONING EXHIBIT THAT GOES ALONG WITH MOST PDS AND SO WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR MAJOR AND MINOR AMENDMENTS.

THIS WOULD BE A MAJOR AMENDMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE INCREASING THE DENSITY AND ASK FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT PROVIDED FOR IN THE PD.

TAKE LIKE STRAIGHT ZONING.

YES, SO WE MIGHT SEE A PRELIMINARY PLAT, AND ALONG THE WAY THEY MAKE CHANGES.

THAT'S TYPICAL, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN TOO MANY TIMES, BUT THEY MIGHT SQUEEZE AN EXTRA LOT OR TWO, BUT THIS IS NO DIFFERENT.

SO WHEN THEY GET A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVED, THEY GO TO CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND THEN THEY MIGHT WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING AND THEN WE'RE MAKING EVALUATION.

THEN YOU HAVE TO REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAT OR BE PERMITTED TO GO WITH THAT AND THEN THE FINAL PLAT SERVES AS THE AS-BUILT.

SO IT'S TYPICAL TO HAVE CHANGES FROM WHAT WAS APPROVED AS A PRELIMINARY PLAN TO WHAT IS ULTIMATELY BUILT ON THE PROPERTY.

THE OVERALL DENSITY, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE FROM AN INITIAL PERSPECTIVE, WHEN WE DO THOSE INITIAL TRAFFIC COUNTS AND WE LOOK AT DENSITY WE TEND TO LOOK AT IT AS A DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE.

OF COURSE, NOW WE'RE JUST CARVING OUT A SMALL PIECE.

SO THERE'S BEEN CHANGES OVER TIME, AND THE TOTAL UNIT COUNT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, IF THIS WERE APPROVED, IS LESS THAN

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WHAT WAS INITIALLY APPROVED.

CORRECT.

I REMEMBER THIS CASE INITIALLY WHEN WE'RE APPROVING EDGESTONE AND BEFORE ANY OF THESE LOTS WERE DEVELOPED AND THE RESIDENTS HERE WERE ABLE TO MOVE INTO THEIR HOMES, WE ACTUALLY HEARD, OR I DID, AT LEAST FROM SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES PROTESTING EDGESTONE AND A LOT OF THE SAME COMMENTS WE HEARD TONIGHT WERE COMMENTS WE HEARD BACK IN 2015, I THINK IT WAS WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED.

YES. NOT WANTING EDGESTONE TO BE APPROVED BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO ADD TO TRAFFIC, IT WAS GOING TO ADD THE SCHOOLS, THE REZONING, A LOT OF THOSE SAME ARGUMENTS.

SO IT IS NATURAL FOR ONCE PEOPLE GET HERE, THEN IT'S THE PEOPLE AFTER THEM THAT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT ADDING TO TRAFFIC AND SCHOOLS AND SO FORTH WHEN WE HAVE TO KIND OF LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY.

SO A LOT OF I THINK THE DENSITY CONCERNS THAT I'M HEARING IS IN PEOPLE'S MIND, THEY SELL TEN UNITS EVEN THOUGH IT WAS INITIALLY 13 BECAUSE IT'S AN ODD TRACT.

THERE'S A DRAINAGE EASEMENT AND YOU CAN'T GET EGRESS AND INGRESS IN VERY EASILY BECAUSE OF THE TRIANGULAR SHAPE.

SO THE INITIAL PLAT HAD 13 I THINK THEN IT WAS REDRAWN AS TEN AND THEN [INAUDIBLE] SUPPOSEDLY ALMOST IMMEDIATELY CAME AND ASKED FOR A REZONING REQUEST FOR THREE DIFFERENT TRACTS, AND ON THIS TRACT, THE TRIANGLE TRACT, THEY WANTED TO DO COMMERCIAL ZONING.

YES, THEY HAD INQUIRED ABOUT IT, AND SO PART OF THE REASON THAT IT NEVER CAME BEFORE COUNCIL OR P&Z OR THE NEIGHBORS EVEN HEARD THAT WAS A POSSIBILITY IS THAT STAFF PRETTY MUCH STOPPED IT DEAD IN THE TRACKS.

THEY WERE SAYING THERE'S NO WAY WE WOULD SUPPORT IT, AND IF WE DON'T SUPPORT IT, THEN P&Z PROBABLY WON'T SUPPORT IT AND CERTAINLY COUNCIL WON'T SUPPORT IT.

SO THE INITIAL VISION WAS A MUCH MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE END UP HAPPENING AT 4TH ARMY IN LEBANON.

ONE CORNER ENDED UP BEING.

MEANING SELF STORAGE AND THE OTHER CORNER ENDED UP BECOMING A RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, PROBABLY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS PROPOSED HERE , AND SO I GUESS THAT IS WHEN I SAY THE OUTCOME OF THE VOTE TONIGHT MAY OR MAY NOT EITHER DISAPPOINT YOU TONIGHT OR DISAPPOINT YOU LATER. I THINK THAT PEOPLE THAT HOPE TO ONE DAY SEE TEN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BUILT HERE WILL ONE DAY BE DISAPPOINTED.

JUST THE MARKET WON'T ALLOW IT.

NOW, WHETHER THIS IS THE RIGHT USE FOR IT I WOULD.

THERE'S REASONS THIS ODD SHAPE THAT EITHER PATIO HOMES OR TOWNHOMES WOULD PROBABLY BE THE LESS DENSE PRODUCT YOU COULD GET IN THAT SITE UNLESS YOU CORRECT ME OTHERWISE BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T DO SF-7 FROM WHAT I SEE, BECAUSE IT'D BE TOUGH TO GET A ROAD IN AND OUT.

IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING.

SO IT WILL DEVELOP INTO SOMETHING ONE DAY, AND IT MAY BE WHEN NO ONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE IS LIVING THERE, AND IT MAY SIT AS AN OPEN FIELD , BUT IT'S MORE LIKELY THAN NOT THAT ONE DAY IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT THAN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS WHY YOU MAY APPLAUD TONIGHT FOR DENIAL.

WE COULD LONG BE GONE IN SIX YEARS FROM NOW.

IT BECOME A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, A CHURCH OR SOMETHING MUCH MORE INTENSE, WHICH I THINK IS MORE LIKELY.

COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS YOU'LL HAVE ON THE PLATTING PROCESS AND PD FROM THAT HIGH LEVEL? SURE, LAURA, DID YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD? SURE, BECAUSE I'M SURE MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH ALL THE P&Z TERMINOLOGY.

COULD YOU EXPLAIN FURTHER THE SF-7 AND WHAT HE JUST SAID, SO THAT WAY EVERYBODY IS FULLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST NOW.

OKAY, SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN IS A LARGER LOT THAN TOWNHOME.

SO WE HAVE YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST START AT 8500 SQUARE FOOT LOTS SF-8.5 THEN WE HAVE SF-7, 7000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.

SO THE MINIMUM LOT DIMENSIONS ARE 60 BY 100, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM 7000 SQUARE FEET IN THE LOT, AND THEN YOU COME DOWN PATIO HOME, WHICH IS EITHER A FIVE OR 6000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, DEPENDING IF THEY'RE DOING A CENTER LOADED OR ZERO , AND THEN YOU'RE DOWN TO THE TOWNHOME, WHICH IS AROUND 2500.

SO AS YOU GO SMALLER, IT GETS MORE DENSE, BUT AS YOU GO MORE DENSE, ONCE YOU GET BELOW THE SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN, THEN YOU END TO THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT. THANK YOU.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO IN ORDER OF DENSITY, SO OBVIOUSLY THE INITIAL PLAT HAD 13 UNITS THAT WOULD BE A VERY LOW DENSE

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ENVIRONMENT HERE.

KIND OF NEXT WOULD BE SF-10 AND SF-8.5 AND SF-7, BUT I DON'T HONESTLY WITH THE LOT SHAPE, I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU COULD IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DESIGN THAT.

THOSE USES ALSO DON'T REQUIRE OPEN SPACE AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENTS, AND SO FROM THEN, THE LEAST DENSE THAT YOU COULD DO IS PATIO HOMES, WHICH WOULD BE A NICE USE HERE.

I THINK PATIO HOMES REQUIRE OPEN SPACE, 15% OPEN SPACE AND TOWNHOMES REQUIRE 15% OPEN SPACE, AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT NEXT, WHICH IS THE OPEN SPACE AND THE AMENITIES.

ONE STRUGGLE I HAVE WITH EDGESTONE TO THE NORTH OF STONEBROOK IS IT'S UNDERSERVED IN OPEN SPACE, IN MY OPINION, BY A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN.

THE SOUTH SIDE OF STONEBROOK IS OVERSERVED WITH OPEN SPACE AND AMENITIES.

SO MY CONCERN WITH THE NORTH SIDE AND WHY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS TRIANGLE, A PATIO HOME OR A TOWNHOME THAT REQUIRED 15 OPEN SPACE THAT COULD 15% OPEN SPACE THAT COULD BE DESIGNED TO BECOME AN AMENITY THAT ALSO THE NORTHERN EDGESTONE RESIDENCES WOULD BE ABLE TO USE AND ENJOY, I THINK WOULD ACTUALLY CREATE THE OPPOSITE EFFECT OF WHAT WAS VOICED AS A CONCERN, WHICH WAS, I THINK MANY OF THE NORTHERN EDGESTONE HOMEOWNERS WOULD ACTUALLY START USING THE OPEN SPACE PROVIDED BY THE TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT.

THERE'S THREE LOTS THERE AS WELL THAT IT'S TOUGH TO TELL THEM THIS PICTURE THAT RIGHT NOW EDGESTONE THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS NOT AMENITIES AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S NO PLANS.

LET'S SEE, THERE'S THE OPEN SPACE.

DO YOU HAVE ONE THAT SHOWS THE EDGESTONE AS WELL? THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST ONE TO--LET ME SEE WHICH THREE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THIS IS REALLY HARD TO SEE.

DO YOU HAVE ONE THAT KIND OF ZOOMS IN ON THE TRIANGLE THAT ALSO SHOWS THE ROAD? IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROAD AND THE TOWNHOME PROPOSAL, THERE'S A ROAD THAT GOES KIND OF LIKE THIS.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT HERE THAT'S LIKE A LOT HERE THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED OPEN SPACE.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THIS DOESN'T QUITE SHOW IT, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT UP HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

YES. YEAH, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE EDGESTONE DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT PLAN TO AMENITIZE THAT.

MY ASK AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE COUNCIL STANDS, BUT I WOULD PROPOSE TO COUNCIL IF THEY WERE GOING TO CONSIDER THIS TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT THAT A REQUIREMENT FOR APPROVING THE TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE THIS DEVELOPER INVESTING IN THOSE LOTS TO AMENITIZE THEM AS PART OF THE GENERAL OPEN SPACE SO THE NEIGHBORS COULD ALSO ENJOY THAT AND GET THE BENEFIT OF THAT.

TO THAT, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THEM THE APPLICANT ON THIS ZONING REQUEST AMENITIZING WHAT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK? IS THAT THE ASK? WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST WHERE IT WAS MORE OF THEY GAVE MONEY TO THE HOA TO ALLOW THEM TO INVEST IN AMENITIES, IT WAS A SHARED USE AND SHARED AMENITY.

YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN INDEPENDENTLY.

THE APPLICANT IS OPEN TO THAT CONCEPT.

THE LAST CASE WHERE SOMETHING LIKE THAT CAME UP WAS A WALMART THERE AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER 423 IN STONEBROOK.

WALMART SEPARATELY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY AUTHORITY WORKED WITH THE--I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THERE, BUT THEY PROVIDED ADDITIONAL TREES ALONG [INAUDIBLE], AND I THOUGHT THE APPLICANT, NOW WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS THE OWNER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY BEING RECEPTIVE TO THAT.

SO, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO SAY, HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE THE MONEY AND MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT I THINK THAT SINCE SHADDOCK

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HAS DONE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS, THAT'S A POTENTIAL THAT THE TWO SIDES CAN COME TOGETHER AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN REPORT BACK IN THE FUTURE, AND TO THAT POINT, WITH THIS OPEN SPACE THAT'S BEING DESIGNED, THE 26 SHADDOCK HOMES WOULD ACTUALLY BECOME PREMIUM LOT PROPERTIES BECAUSE THEY WOULD BACK ONTO OPEN SPACE.

THEY'D BE HIGHER VALUE PROPERTIES THERE VERSUS BACKING TO AN UNKNOWN CORNER.

THEY DID SEND A LETTER.

THEY ASKED ME TO READ IT. IT SAYS SHADDOCK HOMES IS CURRENTLY BUILDING IN EDGESTONE ON THE 74S ON THE CORNER OF FOURTH ARMY AND STONEBROOK.

OBVIOUSLY, SINGLE FAMILY ZONING WOULD BE PREFERRED ZONING, BUT AT THIS POINT, THIS OPTION SEEMS COST PROHIBITIVE BASED ON THE OPTIONS THAT WE ARE AWARE OF THIS TIME.

SHADDOCK HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE CURRENT TOWNHOME PROPOSAL MADE BY CADENCE.

TOWNHOME ZONING WOULD CERTAINLY BE PREFERRED OVER COMMERCIAL RETAIL OR RELIGIOUS USE.

THAT WAS THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY THAT ARE ADJACENT.

COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON OPEN SPACE? THEN WE'LL JUMP TO DENSITY, WHICH I KNOW THERE'LL BE A LOT ON.

SO JUST A COMMENT REAL QUICK AND I DO AGREE WITH YOU.

LOOKING AT THIS, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY MORE OF THOSE HOMES CLOSE TO THE CREEK WILL GRAVITATE OVER ACROSS TO THE TOWNHOMES, BUT THERE'S A RESIDENT THAT HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT PEOPLE, FOUND YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND STARTED USING IT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, I SPENT TEN YEARS ON MY OWN HOA BOARD AND WE'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM ONE THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY AMENITIES AND WE SAW THE SAME THING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND WHILE IT'S A CHALLENGE, I PROMISE YOU'LL END UP WORKING THROUGH THAT.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN FRISCO FACE.

IT'S ALMOST A GOOD THING, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE WE HAVE TRIED TO BE SO CONNECTED, AND IT GETS THE RESIDENTS OUT USING TRAILS, USING PARKS AND JUST BEING OUT AND GETTING TO KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES WITH THAT, AND I HAVE FAITH THAT IT'LL WORK OUT OVER TIME. I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN BEFORE.

THANK YOU, BILL. I GUESS THE NEXT TOPIC IS TO MOVE TO DENSITY, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST POINT OF OBJECTION HERE, WHICH, HEY, THIS IS AN ARGUMENT I TOTALLY GET.

I MEAN, WE GET BAIT AND SWITCH ALL THE TIME FROM DEVELOPERS, FROM COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS TO OTHERS, OTHER TIMES IT'S A CHANGE IN MARKET , AND SO WHEN PEOPLE SEE ONE THING AND THEY BELIEVE ONE THING, THEN THEY'RE DISAPPOINTED WHEN SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS.

I KNOW RESIDENTS AT PARK PLACE, THEY'RE STILL MAD AT US BECAUSE THEIR BUILDER TOLD THEM GRAND PARK WAS ABOUT TO START AND YEARS LATER, IT STILL HASN'T STARTED.

SO JUST AS FAR AS IF WE WERE EVALUATING THIS AND SAYING, OKAY, IF NOT THIS, THEN WHAT ? THE OPTIONS THAT YOU WOULD SEE? JUST SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES IN DENSITY, IF YOU KEPT IT AS SOME TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL USE AND DIDN'T GO COMMERCIAL OR RELIGIOUS . THIS IS 5.7 UNITS PER ACRE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE BY FAR THE LESS DENSE TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT IN FRISCO, AT LEAST THAT I'M AWARE OF BY FAR.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE MUCH CHANGED.

I MEAN, PATIO HOMES WOULD POTENTIALLY BE ANOTHER OPTION THAT WOULD YIELD 4.9.

SO PROBABLY THIS IS AN 11 ACRE SITE, 11 ACRES? SO THAT WOULD YIELD ALMOST ABOUT TEN ADDITIONAL LOTS.

SO YEAH, SO IF YOU WANT PATIO HOMES, IT WOULD BE 51, 52 INSTEAD OF 62.

IF YOU DID SF-7.

SO THAT'S LIKE A TYPICAL 60 BY 120 A LOT THAT WOULD BE 4.1, BUT THEN AGAIN, THEY WOULDN'T REQUIRE TO DO ANY OPEN SPACE.

SO YOU KIND OF LOSE THAT BENEFIT.

SO FOR ME LIVING THERE, I WOULD ACTUALLY PREFER PATIO HOMES OVER SF-7 PERSONALLY, BUT THAT'S I'M SURE THERE'S PERSONAL DISAGREEMENT ON THAT JUST TO GET THAT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, AND THEN AGAIN, KIND OF THE OVERALL VISION OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS LESS THAN DENSE THAN WAS INITIALLY INTENDED.

NOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS AS JUST A CORNER IN ONE CORNER, I THINK THOSE COMMENTS ARE FAIR.

I MEAN, YOU CAN'T JUST LOOK AT IT AS A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT AND SAY THAT WE'RE ROUNDING THIS OVER THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A TOTALLY REASONABLE APPROACH FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER TO SAY THEY'RE NOT SUPPORTING IT JUST FOR THAT REASON, THAT IT'S NOT A BLEND OF THE DENSITY SPREAD OUT OVER A BIGGER AREA.

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SO I DO THINK THE DEVELOPER AND THE LANDOWNER TRIED TO GET THOSE DENSITY NUMBERS DOWN, TRY TO BE REASONABLE AND MAKE IT FIT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH ANY RESIDENT TONIGHT THAT CAME HERE AND SAID THAT.

SO THAT IS A FAIR CONCERN.

SO COUNCIL, I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY WHERE WE'LL HAVE THE MOST COMMENTS.

I'LL TURN IT TO YOU ALL.

MY QUESTION IS REGARDING THE SF-7.

WE SAID IT WASN'T DEVELOPABLE USING SF-7 BECAUSE OF THE ROAD.

WELL, YOU GOT THE ROAD. I MEAN, THIS IS A TRIANGULAR SHAPED PROPERTY THAT BRINGS A UNIQUE DESIGN CHALLENGE TO THE PROPERTY.

SO MY QUESTION IS, IS IT NOT POSSIBLE OR MORE DIFFICULT TO BUILD MAXIMUM SF-7 OR IS IT JUST SF-7 IN GENERAL? BECAUSE IF YOU BUILD TEN OF THE BIGGER ONES, IF YOU COULD BUILD--I'M JUST MAKING UP SOMETHING--15 OR 20 SF-7, EVEN THOUGH IDEALLY IT'D BE 35 OR 40, IS SF-7 POSSIBLE THERE JUST NOT TO THE AMOUNT NEEDED TO MAKE IT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE.

IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO ECONOMICS AT THE END OF THE DAY, FOR A DEVELOPER TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

SOME MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE IT WORK, OTHERS NOT.

IT IS POSSIBLE TO DESIGN IT.

IT JUST WOULDN'T BE AS MANY AS IDEALLY TO BE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE.

YOU COULD DESIGN IT, BUT RIGHT, WITH FEWER HOUSES, YOU'RE SPREADING THOSE DEVELOPMENT COSTS.

THE STREETS, THE SEWERS, EVERYTHING OVER FEWER HOMES, AND IT BECOMES MORE EXPENSIVE.

IF I COULD GO BACK A LITTLE BIT TO THE PD AND THE ORIGINAL PLAT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT PAST EXPERIENCES.

I'VE CERTAINLY BEEN UP HERE FOR A LONG TIME.

I'VE HEARD A LOT OF SPIRITED EXCHANGE OF IDEAS, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THE OUTCOME ISN'T ALWAYS WHAT IS EXPECTED THE NIGHT WE TAKE A VOTE.

HOWEVER, THIS HAS A DIFFERENT FEEL TO IT, TO ME.

IN PARTICULAR, I'M NOT FEELING A REAL SENSE OF URGENCY HERE.

WE HAVE GOOD ZONING IN PLACE.

QUITE FRANKLY, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WRONG WITH THE ZONING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

IF WE VOTED NO, COULD THIS SAME DEVELOPER OR ANOTHER DEVELOPER COME BACK WITH THIS SAME PLAN OR WHAT WOULD IT NEED TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT? NO, LET'S SAY IF THIS WAS DENIED, THEY COULD SUBMIT THE NEXT SUBMISSION DAY OR SOMEBODY ELSE COULD.

THERE'S NO LIMITATIONS ON HOW MANY ZONING CASES THAT CAN BE SUBMITTED ON PROPERTIES.

I THINK YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF FOR A YEAR.

PRACTICALLY, IF IT'S DENIED, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE [INAUDIBLE].

IT'D PROBABLY JUST SIT THERE UNTIL ANOTHER USE IS SUPPORTED BY COUNCIL.

I THINK IT WOULD BE TOUGH TO CONVINCE SOMEBODY IF ANYBODY WANTED, WHETHER IT'S THE RESIDENTS OR COUNCIL OR DEVELOPER.

I THINK PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND GO, OH, WELL, THEY TURNED DOWN TOWNHOMES ONCE, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BOTHER LOOKING AT THAT ANYMORE.

SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE DENSITY AND THERE'S ONE PROJECT IN PARTICULAR I'LL MENTION CLOSER TO ME, THAT'S WHERE I START LOOKING AT, WELL, IF WE SAY NO TO THIS NOW, THEN IT BECOMES A CAUTIONARY TALE OF BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR, BECAUSE THEN IT MIGHT BE LOW RISE OFFICE CONDOS, I DON'T KNOW, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO GENERATE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC THAN 60 TOWNHOMES WILL.

WOULD THAT BE SUPPORTED? WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE LOWER RISE THAN A TWO STORY TOWNHOME, BUT WHAT'S IT GOING TO DO TRAFFIC WISE THEN, TOO? SO I THINK JEFF'S POINT ABOUT PRACTICALITY IS DEAD ON.

IF WE SAY NO TO THIS NOW, I WOULDN'T EVER EXPECT TO SEE ANOTHER TOWNHOME PROJECT PRESENTED FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, AT LEAST NOT IN MY TIME LEFT ON COUNCIL. THAT SAID, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DENSITY, THE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I GUESS I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THIS, TOO, THAT I'VE LOOKED TO AS I'VE LOOKED AT THIS CASE IS THE TUSCANY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS TOWNHOMES OVER OFF OF OHIO, AND WHEN I'VE DRIVEN DOWN THAT, THEY'RE ACTUALLY MORE UNITS PER BUILDING THAN WHAT'S DESIGNED IN THIS CURRENTLY

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AND WHEN YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE OR ALONG OHIO, THOSE BLEND INTO THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND IT, AND IT'S VERY HARD TO TELL WHAT THOSE ARE UNTIL YOU REALLY STOP AND LOOK AT IT.

SO I KIND OF USE THAT AS AN ANALOG AS I'VE LOOKED AT THIS CASE AND BEEN PRESENTED WITH THAT INFORMATION.

JOHN, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE QUESTION OF TRAFFIC JUST YET, BUT SINCE WE ARE TALKING DENSITY AND NATURALLY THAT LEADS TO THE CONVERSATION OF TRAFFIC, AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD [INAUDIBLE] LOOK AT TRAFFIC AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO DO SO UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT CONSIDERING THE SHEER MAGNITUDE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED AND THEN WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, WOULD THAT JUSTIFY US DOING SOMETHING MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE WAY OF TRAFFIC? BECAUSE HONESTLY, THAT IS ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS.

LET ME HAVE [INAUDIBLE] RESPOND TO THAT.

SO OUR RULES FOR REQUIRING TRAFFIC TO IMPACT ANALYSIS ARE LIMITED TO SITUATIONS WHERE WE DON'T KNOW OR WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA THAT WE WERE USED TO USING THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO FOR INSTANCE, I'LL JUST KIND OF START FROM A GRAND SCHEME WHERE OUR CITY IS BUILT WITH PRETTY MUCH A MILE NETWORK OF ARTERIAL NETWORK ARTERIAL ROADWAYS, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO HANDLE ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE GENERATED IF THAT WHOLE SQUARE MILE DEVELOPED IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

SO WE DO HAVE SEVERAL SQUARE MILES WHERE IT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AND IN THOSE CASES, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANY INDIVIDUAL LITTLE PIECE OF THAT SQUARE MILE OF RESIDENTIAL AT ALL FUNCTIONS TOGETHER S ONE BIG SQUARE MILE OF RESIDENTIAL GENERATING TRAFFIC.

SO THE TIMES WE USE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYZES ARE FOR WHEN THERE'S A SPECIFIC THING ABOUT THE ROAD THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, LIKE HOW DOES THIS TRAFFIC ACCESS THE ROAD, HOW DOES THE DEVELOPMENT--IS IT A PLACE WHERE THE ROAD'S NOT BUILT YET? SOMETIMES WE'RE DEALING WITH A DEVELOPER WHO DOESN'T WANT TO DO WHAT OUR STANDARDS REQUIRE.

IT'S LIKE, WELL, THEN SHOW ME A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT PROVES YOU DON'T NEED ANOTHER LANE OR A TURN LANE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IF THEY FOLLOW OUR STANDARDS, WHICH ARE PRETTY STRICT. WE HAVE PRETTY STRONG STANDARDS TO REQUIRE A SIX LANE ARTERIAL AND EVERY DRIVEWAY HAVING A RIGHT TURN LANE TO IT AND SO FORTH.

WHEN EVERYTHING MEETS THOSE STANDARDS, THEN WE USUALLY DON'T DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS BECAUSE THIS AREA FUNCTIONS JUST THE SAME AS IT DOES EVERYWHERE ELSE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, LOOKING AT IT FROM A GLOBAL PERSPECTIVE.

WHAT WE USUALLY USE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS FOR IS LIKE, OKAY, LET'S SAY THERE WASN'T A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT FOURTH ARMY IN STONEBROOK--THERE IS-- BUT LET'S SAY THERE WASN'T.

WE WOULD HAVE THEM DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS TO SAY, DOES YOUR TRAFFIC WARRANT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL NOW AT THAT INTERSECTION? THAT'S THE MOST COMMON THING BECAUSE WE MAKE EVERYBODY BUILD TURN LANES, AND FOR INSTANCE, AT THIS INTERSECTION, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO BUILD A RIGHT TURN LANE ON STONEBROOK TO FOURTH ARMY.

SO IT'S LIKE THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE DON'T NEED TIA TO DETERMINE IF A RIGHT TURN IT'S NEEDED BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE REQUIRE AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT, BUT WE OFTEN DO THINGS LIKE DO A STUDY AND TELL US, IS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL REQUIRED BASED ON THE TRAFFIC YOU'RE ADDING, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT NEED HERE BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS ALREADY THERE. WE ALSO HAVE A PLAN TO WIDEN STONEBROOK PARKWAY.

THE DESIGN STARTS IN 2023 AND CONSTRUCTION STARTS IN 24.

AGAIN, OUR ENTIRE CITY IS PRETTY MUCH MADE UP OF ARTERIALS THAT ARE PLANNED TO BE SIX LANES AND THEY'RE BUILT INITIALLY AS FOUR WITH A WIDE MEDIAN, AND THEN WE GO IN AND WE WIDEN THEM TO SIX WHEN TRAFFIC LEVELS REACH A CERTAIN LEVEL AND WE ARE AT THAT LEVEL NOW WITH STONEBROOK, AND SO WE DO HAVE PLANS TO WIDEN IT TO SIX LANES , BUT AGAIN, THE INTERACTION I SEE HERE IS THE SAME TYPE OF DRIVEWAY INTERACTION AND ROADWAY CONNECTIONS THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO I DON'T THINK WE WOULD GAIN ANYTHING FROM A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE SIGNAL AND THE RIGHT TURN LANE AND THE ROAD WIDENING OCCURRING.

IN YOUR ASSESSMENT, WITHOUT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY CONCEPTUALLY BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE, WILL BE THE BIG THEMES OF TRAFFIC IF YOU PLANNED IT, 61 UNITS AT THAT CORNER? I THINK IT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO THINK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IN TERMS OF THE AM PEAK HOUR AND THE PM PEAK HOUR, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES WE HAVE CALCULATIONS THAT WE HAVE NATIONAL STANDARDIZED, THE IT TRIP GENERATION MANUAL THAT GIVES YOU THESE FORMULAS TO USE BASED ON WHATEVER KIND OF LAND TYPE IS GOING TO COME IN, HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IT'S GOING TO GENERATE, AND PEOPLE OFTEN TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH TRAFFIC PER DAY IT'S GOING TO GENERATE, BUT IT'S JUST KIND OF HARD FOR PEOPLE TO VISUALIZE THAT.

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SO WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO OCCUR, JUST LIKE IN THE PEAK HOUR.

SO FOR INSTANCE, THE 61 UNITS WOULD GENERATE 28 VEHICLE TRIPS IN THE MORNING.

SO IT'S JUST NOT AS BIG, I THINK, AS SOME PEOPLE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE BECAUSE WE BOIL IT DOWN TO AND THAT'S IF WE DID DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

THEY WOULD USUALLY DO AN AM PEAK HOUR ANALYSIS AND A PEAK HOUR ANALYSIS, AND IT WOULD SHOW US THAT THE 28 TRIPS WOULD BE GENERATED BY THE 61 HOMES AND IN THE EVENING, 5 P.M., IT WOULD GENERATE 34 TRIPS.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THAT LEVEL OF TRIPS, THAT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CARS COMPARED TO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY ON STONEBROOK.

SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE LOOK AT THOSE THINGS LIKE IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT ADDITION TO STONEBROOK.

[INAUDIBLE] ANOTHER WAY, IF YOU SAID BETWEEN AM PEAK AND PM PEAK, I THINK YOU SAID 28 IN THE MORNING AND 34 IN THE AFTERNOON.

SO LET'S JUST USE 30.

THAT'S ONE CAR EVERY 2 MINUTES? RIGHT, YES.

SO, ONE CAR EVERY 2 MINUTES WOULD BE COMING OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DON'T NEED AN ENGINEERING DEGREE TO ASSUME THAT 61 UNITS WOULD YIELD MORE TRAFFIC THAN 13 UNTIS.

HOWEVER, WHEN WE EVALUATE TRAFFIC, I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE WITH THIS CASE, IF WE WERE DOING EDGESTONE FROM SCRATCH, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN BE HAVING A CONVERSATION AT THIS CORNER.

SO, EVALUATING THIS CASE, IT'S THIS MINDSET OF, OH, I'M COMPARING 61 TO 13, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS SAYING, REALISTICALLY, IT'S NOT DEVELOPING AS 13 HOMES, RIGHT? SO IT'S 61 VERSUS WHAT IT WILL BE EVENTUALLY.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT ORIGINALLY BEFORE ANYTHING WAS BUILT, THE SOUTH SIDE HAS 380 LOTS AND THE NORTH SIDE HAS 286, NOT COUNTING THE TRIANGLE.

SO IT JUST SHOWS YOU THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH MUCH BIGGER AGGREGATE NUMBERS WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT FROM A BIG PICTURE VIEW, AND WE DIDN'T LOOK AT ANY INDIVIDUAL LITTLE PIECE OF IT. YOU JUST LOOK AT IT, THE GRAND SCHEME OF HOW MANY ARE IN THAT SQUARE MILE, SO TO SPEAK.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A TRAFFIC YIELD OF 61 TOWNHOMES VERSUS AND STAFF HAS ALREADY SHOT DOWN RETAIL, SO IT'S UNLIKELY WE WOULD GET A REQUEST BECAUSE STAFF STOPPED AT THE STAFF LEVEL, BUT RETAIL OBVIOUSLY GENERATES A WHOLE LOT MORE TRAFFIC THAN THIS WOULD.

YES, AND THEN IF YOU'RE COMPARING 61 TO CALL IT 50 PATIO HOMES OR CALL IT 35 SF-7 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, IT'D PROBABLY BE A NEGLIGIBLE DIFFERENCE.

NOT NOTICEABLE.

CORRECT. ANOTHER BIG THING ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND REASON, WE DON'T DO THEM A LOT FOR SINGLE FAMILIES BECAUSE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T HAVE AN INTENSE TRAFFIC USAGE LIKE AN OFFICE BUILDING DOES WHERE EVERYBODY ARRIVES AND LEAVES AT THE SAME TIME.

THAT'S MORE WHEN THE TRAFFIC IS REALLY INTENSE, IT'S MORE CRITICAL TO SEE HOW MUCH IMPACT THAT'S HAVING ON THE ROADWAY SYSTEM, BUT A NEIGHBORHOOD YOU DO HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO GO TO WORK AT A CERTAIN TIME, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS SHOWING THAT IT'S 28 THAT LEAVE AT THAT TIME AND THEN OTHER TIMES DURING THE DAY, PEOPLE COME AND GO A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME.

SOMEONE HAS AN APPOINTMENT OR THEIR KIDS FROM SCHOOL.

THEY'RE COMING AND GOING KIND OF ONESIES/TWOSIES INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IF YOU HAVE RETAIL OR IF YOU HAVE OFFICE OR SOME OTHER KIND OF USE, IT'S JUST MUCH MORE INTENSE.

EVERYBODY'S ARRIVING AT WORK AT THE SAME TIME, LEAVING AT THE SAME TIME, OR CUSTOMERS COMING AND GOING.

RESIDENTIAL IS THE LEAST INTENSE USE FOR IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING TRAFFIC OR? SURE, IF YOU'D JUST STEP UP TO THE MIC.

SO IT'S RECORDED AGAIN.

HAVING GONE ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE ORIGINAL HINES APPLICATION.

WE WERE AFTER HINES, BUT THERE WAS, I THINK, 100 ACRE PARK THAT WAS DONATED TO THE CITY THAT'S GOING TO CONNECT GRAND PARK.

THE SELLING OF THE TRACT TO THE CHURCH TOOK ALL THOSE HOUSES OFF THE NUMBERS LIST.

COUNCILMEMBER KEATING POINT ABOUT TIMELINESS.

ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS DONE IS IT HAS BEEN VACANT LAND FOREVER.

IT'S BEEN UNDEVELOPABLE LAND FOR A LONG TIME, AND SO THE AD VALOREM TAXES HAVE BEEN VIRTUALLY NONE.

ON THAT CHURCH, YOU'RE GETTING NO AD VALOREM TAXES.

WE ARE ON THIS TRIANGLE PIECE, GOING TO HAVE 61 HOMES THAT ARE PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES AND PARK FEES AND ALL THE REST.

SO AS IT RELATES TO TRAFFIC COSTS, WE LOOK AT IT AS TAKING IT FROM VACANT LAND TO SOMETHING THAT WILL BE AN ASSET TO THE CITY.

KIND OF STAYING WITH THE DENSITY THEME.

I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK TOWNHOMES, THE APPEARANCE OF MORE DENSITY IS PRETTY COMMON WHERE YOU HAVE ONE LONG

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BUILDING, NO FACADE OFFSETS, SOMETIMES THREE STORIES, VERY TALL IT'S THIS KIND OF OVERWHELMING IMAGE THAT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE IN THEIR MIND, AND I KNOW IN THE DESIGN OF THIS, A LOT OF THOSE CONCESSIONS WERE MADE.

THERE'S A MAXIMUM ON A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

THE OTHER HOMES IN EDGESTONE OF 40 FEET, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

YES. THESE ARE GOING TO BE RESTRICTED TO 35.

SO THEY'LL ACTUALLY BE SHORTER AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO DO SMALLER BUILDINGS, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, AND THEN DO OFFSETS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE OFFSETS? YES, THE OFFSETS, SOME BUILDINGS WILL SET BACK TEN FEET.

OTHER BUILDINGS WILL SET BACK 15 FEET, AND SO THAT JUST PROVIDES A VARIED SET BACK AS YOU LOOK ALONG THE STREETSCAPE AND YOU SEE SOME TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENTS, I MEAN, IT'S A TUNNEL VISION BECAUSE THE HOMES ARE BROUGHT UP.

SO THESE ARE GOING TO BE OFFSET, AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE OFFSET BEING A GREATER SETBACK, THEY MAY BE A STOOP OR THEY MAY BE DOING A COURTYARD.

SO MAKE IT A PERSONALIZED SPACE.

A GOOD EXAMPLE IS THE APARTMENTS BUILT OVER HERE JUST WEST OF THE CHURCH.

WHEN YOU SEE THOSE UNITS ALONG PAGE STREET, SO THEY HAVE A LITTLE COURTYARD WITH THEM.

THAT'S WHAT YOU PROBABLY SEE ALONG HERE.

SO JUST MY EXPERIENCE WITH THESE FROM A VISUAL PERSPECTIVE, FROM A STREETSCAPE, THERE'RE SOMETIMES LIKE ZERO LINE PRODUCTS THEY ACTUALLY LOOK GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF DETACHED, AND SO IT'S A WAY TO KIND OF TRICK THE EYE, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK SO OMINOUS AND AS BIG OF A DENSE PRODUCT.

ONE THING, I WANT MAKE A COMMENT WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND TALK ABOUT DOING SOMETHING THAT'S MORE DENSE THAN A TYPICAL SF-7, WE WORK WITH THEM TO UP THE STANDARDS SO THEY'RE DOING MORE MASONRY ON IT, RESTRICTING THE TYPE OF EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIALS. IT'S THE STREETSCAPE, THE DRIVE UP APPEAL; THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SELLS HOMES.

DOING THE OPEN SPACE, AMENITIZING THE OPEN SPACE INCORPORATING THAT IN THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, SOMETHING WE DIDN'T DO BACK IN 2015 WHEN HINES HAD THE PROPERTY, WISH WE HAD A MULLIGAN ON THAT, BUT WE UPPED THOSE STANDARDS.

SO IF YOU WANT TO DO X, YOU'VE GOT TO DO Y TO GET STAFF SUPPORT, AND THAT'S BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL , AND THE OTHER THING ON THIS.

WE KNEW P&Z HAD CONCERNS ABOUT IT, AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CASES, ZONING CASES COME FORWARD THAT HAVE ASKED FOR VARIED SETBACKS, WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO GET THAT IN. I DO WANT TO ADD THEY HAVE TWO WORK SESSIONS WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

FIRST ONE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WAS NOT FAVORABLE OF THE PROJECT.

THE APPLICANT REACHED OUT TO SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS AND FELT THAT SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE CHANGED THEIR OPINION.

SO WE HAD A SECOND WORK SESSION AND IT WAS A MORE FAVORABLE WHERE WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE ZONING CASE.

YOU BRING UP THE SITE PLAN THAT DO YOU HAVE THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS THE ALLEYWAYS AND EVERYTHING? DO YOU HAVE THAT DETAIL? SHOWING THE ALLEYWAYS FOR THE TOWNHOMES.

I GUESS THIS IS THE BEST ONE WE'VE GOT.

YEAH, I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.

THIS IS BETTER.

SO MOVING TO PARKING THAT RESIDENTS HAD CONCERNS ON.

SO MOST OF THESE ARE GOING TO BE ALLEY SERVED.

IS THAT CORRECT? ARE THERE ANY THAT ARE FRONT ENTRY? NONE OF THESE ARE FRONT ENTRY.

I WILL SAY THESE ARE MEWS AND THIS ONE IS A MEWS HERE, WHERE THE ALLEY GOES FROM 12 TO 24 FEET WIDE, AND SO THE QUESTION COMES UP, I'M JUMPING AHEAD, OF COURSE, AND PARKING BECAME A CONCERN.

IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE THIS PEOPLE NOT GOING TO BE HAVING LARGE PARTIES.

I MEAN, GRANTED, YOU MAY HAVE PARKING, BUT IT'S ALLEY SERVED.

YOU'D JUST BE PARKING ALONG THE STREET.

WHEN WE DO THESE MEWS LOTS FRONTING ONTO OPEN SPACE, WE DON'T DO LONG SECTIONS AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE WANT TO HAVE PARKING CLOSE BY, BUT ALSO MAKE IT CONVENIENT FOR GAS GOING TO VISIT THEIR FRIENDS OR FAMILY IN THESE UNITS. SO THE IMPORTANCE WITH THAT CONCERN THAT MANY EXPRESSED ABOUT PARKING IS WE DO HAVE TOWNHOME PROJECTS IN FRISCO THAT ARE FRONT-LOADED AND THAT BASICALLY WHEN YOU TAKE THE WHOLE WIDTH AND IT'S A DRIVEWAY, THERE REALLY IS NO ON STREET PARKING.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND IF YOU COMPARE THIS TO A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS FRONT ENTRY, BY THE TIME YOU ACTUALLY ACCOUNT FOR THAT DRIVEWAY OF ALL THOSE HOMES, THE ACTUAL PUBLIC STREET THAT ALLOWS FOR PARKING LIKELY ISN'T MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THIS PER UNIT COUNT SINCE IT'S

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ALLEY SERVED. IF IT WAS FRONT ENTRY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY VALID CONCERN, BUT THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A DESIGN AS REAR ENTRY CORRECTS THAT, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THERE'S BEEN SOME BUMP OUTS TO ALLOW FOR THAT UNIT CIRCLE WHERE THERE'S ADDITIONAL PARKING.

YEAH, THERE AND THERE'S SOME PLACE ELSE, BUT YES, THERE'S PARKING PROVIDED IN CASE, AND ONE THING, WE'RE TRYING TO BE CAREFUL WITH THOSE TYPE OF PARKING SPACES WHERE THEY DON'T BECOME PARKING SPACES FOR RESIDENTS TO PARK ADDITIONAL VEHICLES.

SO THAT HAPPENS FROM TIME TO TIME.

AND THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED WITHIN THE HOA GOVERNING DOCUMENTS WHERE IT WOULD BE HOA MANAGED FOR THOSE PARKING SPOTS, CORRECT? OKAY, WE'RE GETTING THROUGH THE LIST, I PROMISE.

A LOT OF EMAILS ABOUT CRIME.

I DON'T KNOW IF CHIEF WANTS TO MAYBE MAKE HIS WAY DOWN HERE.

I CAN TELL EVERYONE HERE FIRST AND FOREMOST, I KNOW EVERYONE APPLAUDED WHEN CHIEF MENTIONED US BEING NAMED THE SAFEST CITY IN THE COUNTRY.

WE WOULD NEVER APPROVE HIS OWN CASE IF WE THOUGHT IN ANY WAY IT ADDED TO THE CRIME OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT I'D LOVE FOR YOU TO KIND OF MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.

YEAH, SO WHEN JOHN BROUGHT THIS TO MY ATTENTION, WE HAD OUR CRIME ANALYST LOOK AT CRIME STATISTICS FOR SIX DIFFERENT TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY OF FRISCO AND STARTING GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO JANUARY 1ST OF 2019 TO ABOUT MID APRIL.

SO WE LOOKED AT ABOUT A LITTLE OVER ALMOST TWO AND ONE HALF YEARS WORTH OF CRIME STATS FOR THESE TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENTS, SIX DIFFERENT ONES, AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS A TOTAL OF 167 TOTAL INCIDENTS FOR ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS COMBINED.

33 OF THOSE INCIDENTS, OR ABOUT 20% OF THEM WERE PART ONE UCR CRIMES.

THESE ARE YOUR MORE SIGNIFICANT CRIMES AND ONLY FOUR OF YOUR FOUR OF THOSE 33 WERE PART ONE CRIMES AGAINST PEOPLE.

SO MOST OF THOSE 33 WERE PROPERTY CRIMES.

SO THOSE WOULD BE THEFTS OR BURGLARIES RELATED TO THOSE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.

SO VERY FEW CRIMES AGAINST PEOPLE, AND IN FACT, THERE WAS NOTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE THAT STOOD OUT IN THOSE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE ALARMING AND WERE ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WOULD SEE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

CHIEF, DIDN'T YOU SAY IN ONE OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE IT LOOKED LIKE THE NUMBERS WERE HIGHER, IT WAS RELATED TO TWO VERY SPECIFIC UNITS WHERE THERE WAS A VERY SPECIFIC PROBLEM WITH A VERY SPECIFIC GROUP? CORRECT, YEAH, THERE WAS ONE DEVELOPMENT, OUR OLDEST TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF [INAUDIBLE].

THEY LED WITH A TOTAL OF 91 INCIDENTS THERE AND ALMOST 40% OF THOSE, ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 40% OF THOSE WERE THE RESULT OF TWO SPECIFIC ADDRESSES THAT WERE.

MOST OF THE CALLS RELATED WERE DOMESTIC DISTURBANCES, MAYBE NOT RISING TO THE LEVEL OF AN ASSAULT, BUT DEFINITELY DOMESTIC DISTURBANCES THAT GOT OUR RESPONSE.

SOMETHING INTERNAL TO THOSE TWO UNITS VERSUS SOMEBODY COMING IN OR SOMEBODY CAUSING ISSUES ELSEWHERE.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT ITEM, I'VE JUST GOT THREE MORE.

A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT RENTALS AND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IF THIS BECAME A RENTAL COMMUNITY.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS MY BUSINESS.

I'M A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT OF IT.

THERE'LL BE RENTALS IN EDGESTONE.

THERE ALREADY ARE. THERE WILL BE RENTALS IN EVERY COMMUNITY.

IS THIS MORE OR LESS LIKELY TO HAVE SOME? PROBABLY MORE LIKELY THAN THE REST OF EDGESTONE.

THE MARKET VALUE AND THE RENTS THAT THESE PRICE POINTS WOULD GATHER AND THE QUALITY YOU ACTUALLY SEEK OUT QUALITY SEEKING TENANTS AND PEOPLE THAT VALUE THE HOME AND SO WE DON'T TYPICALLY SEE ISSUES WITH RENTALS THERE, AND QUITE FRANKLY, HOW PEOPLE PURCHASE HOMES OR HOW THEY NAVIGATE INTO A MARKET IS VERY DIFFERENT TODAY AND WILL BE DIFFERENT IN THE FUTURE, BUT I WOULDN'T SEE A

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SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS OR PATIO HOME PRODUCT AND SF-7 PRODUCT, OR PROBABLY NOT THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE THAN EDGESTONE AS A WHOLE AND THEN MARKET VALUES, WE GOT SOME EMAILS ABOUT THAT.

BEING PERFECTLY HONEST, THE 26 LOTS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THIS WILL HAVE HIGHER MARKET VALUES.

THE REASON SHADDOCK SUPPORTS IT IS THEY'LL SELL THEM AT PREMIUM PRICES BECAUSE NOW THEY'LL BE BACKING ON THE PARKS.

IT WILL HELP THE PROPERTY VALUES ADJACENT.

I DON'T THINK IT WILL HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE OTHERS.

AGAIN, AS SOMEONE I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY, IS A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ON THAT, AND THEN THE LAST THING I HAD WAS THE SCHOOL CONCERNS AND CAPACITY, AND AGAIN, IT'S WHAT THIS BECOMES.

I MEAN, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT GIVES US THE NUMBERS AS FAR AS STUDENTS THEY EXPECT BASED ON THESE FLOORPLANS AND THE UNITS THAT THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE THAT MANY KIDS.

THERE NUMBERS ARE EIGHT.

IF YOU JUST SAY, OKAY, I'M NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THAT AND I'M GOING TO TRIPLE THAT NUMBER AND SAY 24 IF YOU'RE DOING A LOT, EVEN IF IT WAS 13 LARGE LOTS, TYPICALLY SOMEONE WHO'S GOING TO MOVE INTO A LARGE LOT AND A LARGE HOME IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE CHILDREN IN SCHOOL.

SO EVEN IF YOU HAD THE 13 AND YOU AVERAGE TWO PER HOUSEHOLD, THAT'S THE SAME NUMBER.

SO PERSONALLY I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT REGARDLESS OF THE PRODUCT THAT'S APPROVED HERE.

SO, I'VE GOTTEN THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE HEARD AND I'VE SEEN VIA EMAILS AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO COUNCIL FOR OTHER THINGS THAT THEY MAY HAVE SEEN OR HEARD.

MY RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE THAT WE TABLE THIS TONIGHT, THAT WE LET THIS ZONING CASE BREATHE.

WE HEARD FROM THE RESIDENTS, THEY'VE HEARD INPUT FROM US, THEY'VE HEARD RESPONSES.

THEY CAN ABSORB WHAT THEY'VE HEARD TONIGHT I'M SURE EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SAID AND YOU AGREE WITH AND MAYBE IT ALLEVIATED SOME CONCERNS. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD SOME THINGS AND SAY, I ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE WITH OR I WANT TO FOLLOW UP.

I THINK A PERFECT OUTCOME I WOULD LOVE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF EDGESTONE AND THE DEVELOPER TO MAYBE HAVE A MEETING OF THE MINDS TO TRY TO FIND A WIN AS FAR AS HOW YOU CAN ALLEVIATE CONCERNS, HOW YOU CAN PROVIDE DEVELOPMENT OR BENEFITS TO EDGESTONE NORTH, WHICH IS I'M BEING HONEST, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN EDGE STORM NORTH, I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU TO RAISE YOUR HANDS.

YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OPEN SPACE IN THAT DEVELOPMENT TO SERVE THAT PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

YOU JUST DON'T, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG TERM CONCERN, AND PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE ARE GOING TO ASK US WHY WOULD IT NOT PLAN FOR MORE OPEN SPACE IN EDGESTONE NORTH? THIS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO HELP YOU SOLVE THAT, NOT JUST WITH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ON THIS PROPERTY, BUT THE VACANT TRACKS THAT ARE THERE.

I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT IF THAT'S WHAT IT TOOK FOR THEM TO GET THEIR ZONING CASE, THEY WOULD PROBABLY STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND HELP.

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ASK I WOULD HAVE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF YOU WERE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER.

SO I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.

IS THERE ANY RUSH WHERE DELAYING TWO WEEKS WOULD CAUSE ANY UNDUE HARM ON A DECISION? ARE YOU THINKING FIRST MEETING IN MAY OR SECOND MEETING IN MAY WHEN WE'RE BACK AT FULL COUNCIL? LET ME MENTION THIS.

IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO WEEKS AND BY THE TIME WE HAVE TO HAVE A STAFF REPORT, I CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.

AGAIN, COUNCIL MAY HAVE FURTHER COMMENTS, I WILL SAY EVERYONE EVERY RESIDENT THAT CAME HERE AND SPOKE, I KNOW THIS TOOK A LOT OF TIME OUT OF YOUR NIGHT TO COME HERE, AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILIES. IF THIS IS TABLED UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, YOU ARE ALL WELCOME TO COME AND JOIN US FOR ANOTHER LONG EVENING, BUT JUST KNOW THAT ALL YOUR COMMENTS THAT YOU MADE HERE TONIGHT WILL ALSO BE REFLECTED IN THE NEXT MEETING SHOULD YOU NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOTH.

SO COUNCIL, WHAT THINGS DID WE NOT COVER OR CONCERNS WE NEED TO ADDRESS? I JUST WANT TO ADD SOMETHING ABOUT THE SCHOOL PIECE OF IT.

I'LL HAVE MORE COMMENTS AT THE NEXT MEETING WHEN I CAN PUT THEM ALL BACK TOGETHER.

I'VE GOT SIX PAGES OF NOTES, IF ANYBODY'S WONDERING.

I SERVED ON THE LONG RANGE PLANNING COMMITTEE FOR FISD FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

SO TO JUST POINT AND THE INFORMATION THAT JOHN PROVIDED ABOUT WHAT FISD EXPECTS OUT OF A CERTAIN TYPE OF HOUSING PRODUCT, BE IT SINGLE FAMILY OR TOWNHOMES OR PATIO HOMES OR APARTMENTS OR WHATEVER IT IS, THEIR DEMOGRAPHERS ARE REALLY, REALLY GOOD.

THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH DEAD ON WITH THOSE NUMBERS.

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SO I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOW NUMBER FOR TOWNHOMES, BUT THE EXPERIENCE THAT THEY HAVE WITH DOING THAT AND WHAT I SAW SERVING ON THAT COMMITTEE AND THE DEPTHS THAT THEY GO TO GENERATE THOSE FIGURES, THEY'RE PRETTY ACCURATE.

SO I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AS JUST AN ANECDOTAL PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT THE DATA IS RESEARCHED.

I HAVE ONE COMMENT.

SO, JOHN, YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER THAT A SUPERMAJORITY HAD NOT BEEN MET WITH THE PETITION.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE HOMEOWNERS? BECAUSE AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS PRESENTATION THAT THEY GAVE US, IT LOOKS LIKE A LARGE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THEIR HOMES NOW HAVE SIGNED THE PETITION AND POTENTIALLY THE ONES WHO HAVEN'T ARE EITHER OPEN LOTS OR THEY'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

THEY MAY NOT LIVE HERE YET.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW DO WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE SUPERMAJORITY RULE? JONATHAN HUBBARD WORKED WITH GIS BECAUSE WE GOT THAT YESTERDAY.

WAS IT YESTERDAY YOU GOT THAT? SO THEY WENT THROUGH AND VERIFIED AND THERE'S TWO CRITERIAS.

ONE IS ON THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE AND THAT WAS FAR BELOW THE 20%, AND THEN INTERIOR DID THEY MEET THE 20%? AND THE ANSWER IS NO.

YOU CONSIDER EVERYTHING ON THAT PROPERTY, CITY PROPERTY IS WELL, IT'S IN THAT 20%, BUT WE ALL DON'T ESTABLISH A YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF THAT 20%.

SO THEY DIDN'T MEET IT, AND THE CUTOFF IS DONE NOW.

I MEAN, THAT'S A PETITION.

GO AHEAD. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT, MAYOR, THAT I THINK IT'S REALLY WISE LEADERSHIP TO TABLE THIS.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN A LONG NIGHT, AND THE ONE THING THAT I WILL SAY IS THE FACT THAT WE HAD ONE RESIDENT SHOW UP TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING SHOULD HAVE BEEN A RED FLAG TO THE DEVELOPER AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CHANGE MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, GOING FROM TEN HOMES TO 61, THAT'S HUGE, AND COMMUNICATION IS THE NAME OF THE GAME HERE AND OVER COMMUNICATION AND TAKING PEOPLE ALONG WITH YOU, AND SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THE MAYOR HAS GIVEN TO COMMUNICATE WITH THESE RESIDENTS, HELP THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS CHANGE IS ABOUT, AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE CAN COME BACK TOGETHER AND MAKE A DECISION IN WHICH THEY ARE INFORMED ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GETTING READY TO CHANGE THEIR COMMUNITY.

I MEAN, JUST SOME INSIGHTS HERE AND I'LL MAKE THESE QUICK.

AN OLD SAYING THAT I'VE JUST HEARD RECENTLY I THOUGHT WAS RATHER INTERESTING FOR TONIGHT.

THERE'S A REASON THE WINDSHIELD IS BIGGER THAN THE REARVIEW MIRROR.

THIS IS A COUNCIL THAT DOES LOOK FORWARD TO THE FUTURE.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LOT, BUT OF COURSE, ON THAT REARVIEW MIRROR, IS THAT FINE PRINT? SO OBJECTS IN THE MIRROR ARE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR.

SO YOUR PRESENCE HERE TONIGHT IS CERTAINLY SEEN AND FELT AS WE LOOK BACK UPON RESIDENTS WHO WERE HERE ALREADY, WE'RE LOOKING AT A PROJECT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT ARE PART OF A VISION FOR THE FUTURE, CERTAINLY FOR THE DEVELOPER SITTING HERE.

WHATEVER IT GOES IN THIS SPACE IS GOING TO BRING SOME SORT OF DENSITY BY SOMEONE'S DEFINITION, AND ANYTHING BUILT HERE IS GOING TO BRING TRAFFIC.

THIS ISN'T A FUNCTION OF RIGHT OR WRONG OR A GOOD IDEA OR A BAD IDEA.

EARLIER TONIGHT, AN OUTGOING COUNCILMAN MENTIONED A PIECE OF ADVICE THAT I GAVE TO HIM.

SO MY ADVICE TO LAURA AS YOU'RE COMING IN WHEN POLITICS ENDS, GOVERNANCE BEGINS.

AS YOUR POLITICAL CAMPAIGN IS OVER, YOU'RE HERE NOW.

CONGRATULATIONS, AND NOW THE JOB OF GOVERNANCE BEGINS, AND I THINK YOU AND I HAD THAT CONVERSATION SOME TIME AGO.

I TRY TO SHARE THAT AS OFTEN AS I CAN.

POLITICS ASIDE, GOOD GOVERNANCE ASKS, IS THE PUBLIC SERVED? IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE CURRENT ZONING? NO. IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE AMENDMENT? NO, BUT IS THE PUBLIC BEING SERVED? I'LL JUST CLOSE WITH THIS COMMENT.

THE MOST IMPACTFUL STATEMENT TO ME MADE TONIGHT WAS BY DONNA KEEFE WHEN SHE TALKED ABOUT HER COMMUNITY AND HER NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE VALUE OF KEEPING ALL OF THAT INTACT, AND THAT'S SERVING THE PUBLIC.

THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

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COUNCIL, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE HERE? MOVE TO TABLE, SECOND MEETING IN MAY.

SECOND. I HAVE A QUESTION SINCE YOU CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DO YOU WANT TO REOPEN IT AND CONTINUE IT OR YOU JUST TABLE THE CASE TO THE 17TH? IF YOU DO THAT, THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING.

WE SHOULD INCLUDE A PUBLIC HEARING JUST IN CASE.

MOVE TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 34.

MOTION BY BILL.

SECOND BY JOHN.

ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.

DO YOU WANT TO DO IT? GO AHEAD.

YOU DO IT IF YOU WANT. YOU CAN TAKE IT.

OKAY. [CHUCKLING] MOVE TO TABLE ITEM 34 AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE SECOND MEETING, WHICH SHOULD BE MAY 17TH. MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY BRIAN.

ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? THAT PASSES FIVE ZERO.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS TONIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE ON A LONG EVENING.

WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR BEING HERE.

ALL RIGHT, ITEM 35 IS CONSIDERED AN--I'LL LET THEM CLEAR OUT A LITTLE BIT . ITEM 35 IS CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE RESIGNATION OF LAURA RUMMEL FROM PLACE SEVEN ON THE SOCIAL SERVICES AND HOUSING BOARD, AND THIS IS A RESULT OF HER TAKING A NEW SEAT

[35. Consider and act upon accepting the resignation of Laura Rummel from Place 7 on the Social Services and Housing Board. (CSO/KM)]

ON THE DAIS AND SHE IS GOING TO RECUSE HERSELF SINCE HER NAME IS ON THIS.

SO I WILL LOOK FOR A MOTION.

MOTION BY JOHN.

SECOND BY BILL.

ALL IN FAVOR. AYE.

THE MOTION PASSES FOUR ZERO.

SHOULD WE FORMALLY THANK HER FOR HER SERVICE ON THE SOCIAL SERVICES AND HOUSING TRUST FUND BOARD? [CHUCKLING] WELCOME ABOARD.

THEY ALREADY DID. THEY WERE VERY SWEET AT MY LAST BOARD MEETING.

36 WAS CONSIDERED AND ACT UPON THE APPOINTMENT OF AN INDIVIDUAL TO FILL A VACANCY FOR PLACE SEVEN ON THE SOCIAL SERVICES AND HOUSING BOARD FOR A TERM ENDING ON SEPTEMBER 30,

[36. Consider and act upon appointment of an individual to fill a vacancy for Place 7, on the Social Services and Housing Board for a term ending on September 30, 2023. (CSO/KM)]

2023.

LAURA IS THERE SOMEONE YOU'D LIKE TO APPOINT? NO PRESSURE. OR IF WE'RE NOT SURE, ARE THEY HURTING FOR A MEMBER? THEY ARE HURTING FOR A MEMBER.

YEAH, WE OFTEN NEED QUORUM.

SO ACTUALLY THERE WAS ONE OF OUR MEMBERS RECENTLY WHO DID NOT RENEW HIS TERM BECAUSE HE TOOK A JOB OUT OF STATE AND HE HAS NOW RETURNED, AND SO IF HE IS INTERESTED, I WOULD LOVE TO NOMINATE BRIAN THOMPSON TO TAKE BACK OVER ONTO THE BOARD, AND HE'S IN THE AUDIENCE TOO.

SO, HE MOVED BACK INTO THE CITY? YES. HE'S A FRISCO RESIDENT? YES. AND HE IS A REGISTERED, QUALIFIED VOTER? YES, TECHNICALLY, HIS HOME NEVER LEFT.

HE JUST WENT AND TRAVELED FOR HIS JOB CONSTANTLY.

I HAD TO ASK THE QUESTIONS. FAIR ENOUGH. JUST TRAVELING MORE, STILL LIVING HERE? YES. IF HE'S INTERESTED.

BRIAN, ARE YOU ? I NOMINATE BRIAN THOMPSON TO SERVE AS SOCIAL SERVICES AND HOUSING BOARD.

SECOND. MOTION BY LAURA, SECOND BY JOHN.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

OPPOSED? THAT MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU AGAIN.