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>> GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
[CALL TO ORDER]
WE'RE GATHERED 6101 FRISCO SQUARE BOULEVARD AND THE TIME IS 06:30 PM.PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION CONSISTS OF FIRST GUY RESONANCE, APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
TONIGHT, COMMISSIONER, PRESENT ARE MR. COHN, MR. KINDLE, COMMISSIONER BOX, OUR VICE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER KELLY AND COMMISSIONER MORGAN.
I'M ROB COX. I'M YOUR CHAIR FOR THIS EVENING.
APPS AT THIS EVENING IS TO MINISTER COLBERT.
REPRESENTING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WE HAVE JOHN LITTLER, JONATHAN HOVERED, SUZANNE PORTER, CINDY JACKSON, REALLY ANDRE RUSSELL AND MATTHEW BARRERA AND LAURIE CROSS.
FOR ENGINEERING WE HAVE JOEL FITS INTO AND FOLLOWING HE MEAN.
REPRESENTING FIRE THIS EVENING IS ELICIT BARSTOW.
AND IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT I MISS THIS EVENING? EXCELLENT. THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS CITIZEN INPUT.
WE WILL ALSO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS LATER ON SPECIFIC ITEMS, BUT CITIZEN INPUT, IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION REGARDING ANY ITEMS ARE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, YOU MAY DO SO AT THIS TIME.
PLEASE COMPLETE THE BELIEFS FIGURE CARD AND APPROACH THE PODIUM.
PRIOR TO YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
OUR MEETINGS ARE RECORDED, SO PLEASE SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE.
PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION, NOT TO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE OR ANY APPLICANT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
I'M SURE THERE'S ENOUGH TIME FOR ALL TO SPEAK.
PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES UNLESS YOU MUST ADDRESS THE COMMISSION THROUGH A TRANSLATOR, IN WHICH CASE YOU MAY HAVE A MAXIMUM 10 MINUTES.
PLEASE NOTE, THE COMMISSION CANNOT DISCUSS OR TAKE SPECIFIC ACTION DURING CITIZEN INPUT OR AN ITEMS NOT ON THE POSTED AGENDA EXCEPT TO PROVIDE A STATEMENT OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY, TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY, OR TO INDICATE THAT THE MATTER MAY BE PLACED ON A LATER AGENDA.
I DO WANT TO REITERATE THAT WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING AS WELL DURING THE TWO CASES FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK DURING CITIZEN INPUT AT THIS TIME? THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM 2,
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.ITEM 2, CONSIDER AN ACT UPON APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ON MARCH 8TH, 2022.
COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THESE MINUTES OR DO I HAVE A MOTION?
>> OVER TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 8TH, 2022 PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.
>> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOX.
>> SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
>> MOTION CARRIES 50 ITEM 2 IS APPROVED.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
NEXT THING ON OUR AGENDA IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF ROUTINE AND NONCONTROVERSIAL ITEMS. ANY COMMISSION MEMBER MAKING SUCH REQUESTS PRIOR TO EMOTION AND VOTE ON THE CONSENT ITEMS MAY CONSIDER ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY.
ANY MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO MAKE COMMENTS ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS MAY DO SO WITH A MAJORITY APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSION.
WE HAVE ITEMS THREE THROUGH 21 [OVERLAPPING] THIS EVENING.
ARE THERE ANY THAT NEED TO BE PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING? ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM THREE THROUGH 21?
>> MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS THREE THROUGH 21 IS SUBMITTED BY STAFF.
>> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN.
>> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KINDLE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES 50 ITEMS THREE THROUGH 21 ARE APPROVED.
THIS EVENING WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE AGENDA AND I WANT TO REVIEW THE PROCESS.
[22. Site Plan: Coit and 3537 Addition, Block B, Lot 7 (SP22-0011)]
EACH PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS PRECEDED BY A STAFF INTRODUCTION ON THE REQUEST.THE APPLICANT IS PERMITTED 10 MINUTES TO MAKE HIS OR HER PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION.
FOLLOWING QUESTIONS, OTHER STAFF AND THE APPLICANT BY THE COMMISSION, THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ARE WELCOME TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
ALL SPEAKERS, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT, NEED TO COMPLETE THE SPEAKERS CARD AND PROVIDE IT TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.
IF THERE ARE ORGANIZED GROUPS IN ATTENDANCE, WE SUGGEST THAT YOU SELECT REPRESENTATIVES TO PRESENT YOUR POSITIONS.
PLEASE AVOID REPEATING WHAT HAS BEEN STATED BY PREVIOUS SPEAKERS, OTHER THAN STATING THAT YOU AGREE WITH THEIR COMMENTS.
TIME LIMIT IS FIVE MINUTES PER SPEAKER TO ENSURE EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
THE COMMISSION MEMBERS CAN VOTE TO LIMIT SPEAKING TIME IF A LARGE VOLUME OUR FOLKS ARE WISHING TO SPEAK.
PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU ONLY HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
REPEAT APPEARANCES TO THE PODIUM ARE NOT PERMITTED.
AFTER ALL PERSONS HAD BEEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE CASE WILL BE CLOSED AND AND NO FURTHER TESTIMONY WILL BE PERMITTED UNLESS THE CASES TABLE TO A FUTURE DATE AND THE COMMISSION INCLUDES IN THEIR MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO A FUTURE MEETING.
AFTER CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF OR THE APPLICANT.
PLEASE NOTE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ONLY MAKES A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING ZONING CASES UNLESS THE COMMISSION DENIES THE CASE AND THE APPLICANT DOES NOT APPEAL THE DENIAL.
FINAL ACTION REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
YOU ARE ENCOURAGED TO CONTACT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF AS TO WHEN THE CASE WOULD BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
ITEM 22, SITE PLAN AND 3537 ADDITION BLOCK B,
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LOT SEVEN, ESP N22, DATE 0011, OWNER C NM 2021, LLC.>> THANK YOU, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THE ITEM THAT WAS JUST READ INTO THE RECORD WAS GRANTED A 30 DAY EXTENSION BY THE COMMISSION AT THE MARCH EIGHTH, 2020 MEETING, WHICH ALLOWED THEM TIME TO ADDRESS COMMENTS AND TO MAKE ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THE PLAN.
THE PROJECT WAS RESUBMITTED AND REVIEWED BY STAFF.
HOWEVER, IT WAS FOUND THAT THE PROJECT FAILED TO COMPLY WITH CITY ORDINANCES AND STANDARDS.
THEREFORE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THIS APPROVAL FOR THE REASONS STATED IN THE PROVIDED STAFF REPORT.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ON THIS ITEM, JOHN, WE DO NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT?
>> COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM OR DO I HAVE A MOTION?
>> A MOVE TO DISAPPROVE ITEM 22, FOR THE REASONS IDENTIFIED IN THE STAFF REPORT, DELEGATE TO STAFF THE AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE A WRITTEN STATEMENT TO THE OUTFIT FOR THE REASONS OF THE DISRUPTION.
>> A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN.
>> SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSE? ITEM 22 IS DENIED AND DISAPPROVED.
[23. Public Hearing - Zoning: Heartwood at Edgestone (Z21-0016)]
I'M AT 23 PUBLIC HEARINGS, ZONING, HEARTWOOD AT HEADSTONE Z 210016, OWNERS, MULTIPLE OWNERS.ON ITEM 23, JOHN COMMISSIONER KINDLE WILL BE RECUSING HIMSELF.
WE WILL WAIT FOR HIM TO LEAVE THE DIAS.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVED A CALL TO PUBLIC HEARING TO A MAN PLAN DEVELOPMENT 245 ON FEBRUARY 22ND OF THIS YEAR.
THE ADOPTED PLAN DEVELOPMENT 245 PROVIDES STANDARDS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF SINGLE-FAMILY 8.5 LOTS ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THAT BEING THE RED TRIANGULAR PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO AMEND THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ADOPT NEW DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO ACCOMMODATE A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY.
WHILE THIS PROPERTY HAS A UNIQUE SHAPE AND EXISTING CONSTRAINTS THAT HAD TO BE WORKED AROUND, THE APPLICANT AND STAFF WERE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER TO DEVELOP STANDARDS WHICH LEND THEMSELVES TO ATTRACTING PEOPLE, ENCOURAGING SOCIAL INTERACTION, AND CREATING COMMUNITY.
JUST TO GO OVER A FEW OF THOSE STANDARDS THIS EVENING, FIRST LOOKING AT THE OPEN SPACE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CREEK AREA THAT RUNS ALONG THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THIS TRIANGULAR TRACK AND ULTIMATELY PROVIDE 1.8 ACRES OR 17 PERCENT OF THE PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED AS TOWNHOMES AS USABLE OPEN SPACE.
SEVENTEEN PERCENT EXCEEDS THE 15 PERCENT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENTS.
IN ADDITION TO THE AMENITIES THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING WITHIN THE OPEN SPACE, THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING ACROSS THE DRAINAGE AREA CONNECTING INTO THE EDGESTONE COMMUNITY, THAT BEING RIGHT HERE.
UNDER PLAN DEVELOPMENT 245, THIS CROSSING WAS INITIALLY ENVISIONED AS A VEHICULAR CROSSING BUT WAS LATER REPLACED WITH A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, AND THE APPLICANT IS KEEPING THAT AND PROPOSING TO INCLUDE IT, WHICH IS SHOWN IN ALL OF THEIR PD EXHIBITS.
NEXT, MOVING ONTO FRONT PORCHES.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO INCORPORATE FRONT PORCHES, MEETING THE FRONT PORCH STANDARDS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE ON ALL LOTS, [NOISE] THAT FRONT OPEN SPACE, AND THEN ALL OTHER LOTS WILL INCLUDE EITHER A FRONT PORCH OR STOOP.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A VARIETY OF ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS WHICH WILL CREATE ADDED INTEREST ALONG THE STREETSCAPE AND PREVENT MONOTONY FROM ONE BUILDING TO THE NEXT.
IN ADDITION TO THE VARIOUS ELEVATIONS THAT WILL BE TIED DOWN IN THE PD, THERE IS LANGUAGE WITHIN THE PD THAT STATES THAT ELEVATIONS THAT HAVE TWO OR MORE BUILDING FACADES THAT EITHER FRONT A STREET OR COMMON OPEN SPACE, THOSE ELEVATIONS ARE REQUIRED TO RESPOND TO THOSE MORE PROMINENT LOCATIONS THROUGH ADDED ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES,
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ADDITIONAL GLAZING, WRAP-AROUND PORCHES, SHEDS OVER ROOFS, WINDOWS, OR OTHER THINGS THAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY COME UP WITH.THIS JUST PREVENTS THE IDEA OF JUST A SOLID BLANK WALL ADJACENT TO A STREET OR OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT, THE WAY THE OPEN SPACE SITS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
LASTLY, FRONT BUILDING SETBACK.
SIMILAR TO WHAT HAS BEEN DONE AT THE CANALS AT GRANT PARK, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO PULL THE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE STREET, THEY'RE PROPOSING 18 FEET FROM BACK OF CARB VERSUS THE 25 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR TOWNHOMES.
WHILE IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE UP ON THE SCREEN JUST DUE TO THE SIZE, THERE IS SOME ALLOWANCE FOR SOME OF THE BUILDINGS TO BE PULLED SLIGHTLY FARTHER BACK AGAIN TO JUST BREAK UP THE STREETSCAPE, CREATE THAT ADDED ARCHITECTURAL INTERESTS SO IT'S NOT SO MONOTONOUS.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE, AS I SAID A SECOND AGO, UNDER THE ADOPTED PLAN DEVELOPMENT 245, THIS TRIANGULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY SHOWED SINGLE-FAMILY 8.5 LOTS.
THE CURRENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DOES HAVE LANGUAGE IN IT THAT REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 170 SINGLE-FAMILY 8.5 LOTS ON TRACKS B AND C, THAT BEING THE SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS ON THE NORTH SIDE AND SOUTH SIDES OF STONY BROOK PARKWAY.
THIS TRIANGULAR PIECE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS COMING OUT OF TRACK C. IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THIS DEVELOPMENT, THAT 170 WOULD BE REDUCED TO 164 AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THE APPLICANT DID HAVE AN HOA MEETING PRIOR TO SUBMITTING THE ZONING REQUEST.
THERE WAS ONE RESIDENT THAT ATTENDED THAT MEETING, POSED GENERAL QUESTIONS, AND EXPRESSED GENERAL SUPPORT.
SINCE THAT HOA MEETING AND THE CASE HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, STAFF DID SEND COURTESY EMAILS TO THE EDGESTONE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS ALL HOAS WITHIN 1,500 FEET.
TO DATE, STAFF HAS RECEIVED ONE PROJECT INPUT FORM AND SUPPORTED THE REQUEST, TWO PROJECT INPUT FORMS REQUESTING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, AND 86 PROJECT INPUT FORMS IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST.
BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, ALL OF THOSE PROJECT INPUT FORMS WERE A PART OF THE PACKET FOR YOUR REVIEW.
THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS REQUEST HAS COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAD A WORK SESSION IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR AND JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
THE APPLICANT HAS ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS ALL OF YOUR ALL'S CONCERNS IN THE REQUEST THAT IS BEFORE YOU ALL TONIGHT, AND ONE EXHIBIT THAT I DO WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER BASED ON SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK WAS HOW THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD INTERACT OR FRONT WITH THE ADJACENT COMMUNITIES.
YOU CAN SEE 4TH ARMY HERE, STERNBERG PARKWAY HERE, THE DRAINAGE AREA HERE.
THESE ARE GOING TO BE THE REAR OR THE BACKS AND SIDES OF LOTS IN THE EDGESTONE COMMUNITY, AND THEN YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE LOTS IN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT FROM THAT DIRECTION.
THE REQUEST DOES COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL THIS EVENING SUBJECT TO THE STANDARDS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE ASSOCIATED EXHIBITS, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE.
YOU SAID THERE WERE TWO WORK SESSIONS?
>> BOTH THOSE WORK SESSIONS WERE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, CORRECT?
>> OKAY. SOME PEOPLE WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT. ONE OTHER QUESTION.
YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS NOTICES SENT OUT TO THE HOAS AND SO FORTH.
BACK WHEN THEY HAD THE HOA MEETING, WERE THOSE NOTICES SENT TO PEOPLE WITHIN 300 FEET OR HOW DID THAT WORK?
>> ALL HOAS WITHIN 1,500 FEET OF THE REQUESTS ARE INVITED.
>> THEY WERE INVITED TO THE ORIGINAL HOA MEETING?
>> WE HAD ONE RESIDENT ATTEND.
LET ME GO AHEAD AND STATE THAT THOSE INVITES ARE SENT TO THE HOA CONTACT THAT THE CITY HAS ON FILE AND AT TIMES, THAT MAY BE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
>> YEAH. THE REASON WHY PEOPLE SEE THE SIGNS
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UP IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW THAT THAT ZONING CASE IS COMING UP ON THAT PROPERTY, RIGHT?>> YES. THERE ARE SIGNS. THAT'S CORRECT.
>> WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE CITIZENS DON'T DIE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FOR STAFF?
THE DESCRIPTION OF THE CASE SAYS, AMEND ZONING ORDINANCE THAT INCLUDES THESE TYPE OF PROPERTIES TO THESE TYPE OF PROPERTIES, WHICH IS CONFUSING.
WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS IF A PROPERTY, LET'S SAY, WHAT IF SCENARIO, IF A PROPERTY WOULD BURN DOWN THAT'S IN THE EDGESTONE COMMUNITY CURRENTLY ZONED IN AN AREA THAT THE ZONE IS SF 7 OR SF 8.5, COULD IT BE REPLACED WITH A PATIO HOMEWORK OR TOWN HOME BASED ON THIS ZONING REQUEST, IF APPROVED?
>> NO. IF TONIGHT'S REQUEST WERE APPROVED, IT IS NOT CHANGING THE ZONING THAT IS ON ANY OF THE EDGESTONE CONSTRUCTED COMMUNITY TODAY.
THE ZONING IS ONLY CHANGING ON THE TRIANGULAR PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE HERE.
IT IS ALL WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT 245 TODAY.
WHEN PROPERTY IS WITHIN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE TO OPEN THE ENTIRE BOUNDARIES OF THE PD TO MOVE THEIR REQUEST FORWARD.
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU READ THE DESCRIPTION, WHEN YOU READ THAT LEGALESE LANGUAGE, IT SEEMS THAT WAY.
BUT SHOULD THIS CASE BE APPROVED? IT IS ONLY CHANGING THE ZONING ON THE TRIANGULAR PIECE.
>> ONE PIECE OF INFORMATION TO ADD TO THAT UNDER THAT EXAMPLE THAT YOU GAVE ABOUT A HOUSE BURNING DOWN.
JUST REMEMBER THE LAW STAYS THE SAME.
>> BUT IT'S CHANGING THE NUMBER OF THE SUBSIDIES.
>> THIS TRIANGULAR PACE IS IN TRACK C TODAY.
WHEN THE ORIGINAL PD WAS ENVISIONED, IT STATED THAT A MINIMUM OF 170 SF 8.5S HAD TO BE DEVELOPED ON TRACKS B AND C. IF WE TOOK THIS OUT TO HIT THAT CAP, THEY WOULD REMOVE A PORTION OF THOSE SO THEY WOULD ONLY HAVE A TOTAL OF A 164 SF 8.5 LOTS?
>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? ALL RIGHT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND WOULD THEY CARE TO SPEAK?
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
I'M WITH CONTOUR REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
WE ARE THE APPLICANT FOR THIS PROJECT.
I THINK WE'VE SPENT A LITTLE OVER A YEAR WORKING WITH STAFF.
I THINK JONATHAN GAVE A FANTASTIC REPORT.
WE'VE ALSO MET WITH THE COMMISSION ON OUR WORK SESSION, ADDRESSED COMMENTS CONCERNS THAT THE COMMISSION STATED AND I THINK THAT WE'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF ADDRESSING THOSE.
WE'VE REACHED A POINT WHERE STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS ZONING CHANGE.
WE HAVE READ A LOT OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
I DIDN'T WANT IT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF CONCERNS QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAD.
FIRST OF ALL, THIS COMMUNITY IS WITHIN THE EDGESTONE PD, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE ITS OWN SEPARATE HOA.
IT'S GOING TO BE AN HOA THAT MANAGES EVERYTHING WITHIN OUR WALLS, INCLUDING LAWN MAINTENANCE AND CARE OF THE AMENITIES AS WELL AS THE STRUCTURES THEMSELVES.
I THINK ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF A TOWN ON COMMUNITY IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE ONE OUTLIER BUILDING THAT IS NOT PROPERLY MAINTAINED TO COMPARE IT TO THE REST BECAUSE IT IS AN HOA THAT TAKES CARE OF ALL THE BUILDINGS IN THE LANDSCAPE AND MAINTENANCE THAT'S REQUIRED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
AS FAR AS PRICE POINTS, THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT, I THINK THAT THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION ON WHAT THESE TOWN HOMES ARE GOING TO BE, AND THE TYPE OF HOUSING OR THE TYPE OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MOVING IN.
THESE TOWN HOMES ARE GOING TO START AT AROUND $500,000 AND MOVE UP.
SO AS YOU LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING EXISTING HOUSING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, WE WERE DEFINITELY VERY COMPATIBLE AS FAR AS PRICE POINT PER SQUARE FOOT, AND IN SOME CASES WE'RE DEFINITELY HIGHER.
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ANOTHER CONCERN WAS IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING SCHOOLS.THE TYPICAL BUYER FOR THIS TYPE OF HOUSING IS GENERALLY, THERE ARE NOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF KIDS, THEREFORE, WE WILL ACTUALLY BE A VERY LOW-BURDEN ON THE EXISTING SCHOOLS.
YOU GENERALLY FIND YOUNGER SINGLE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS TYPE OF HOUSING.
IT CAN BE A YOUNG MARRIED COUPLE WITHOUT CHILDREN, THEN ON THE OTHER BOOKEND, IT'S OFTENTIMES PEOPLE WHO ARE RETIRED, WHO NO LONGER WANT THE MAINTENANCE AND LIKE MORE OF THE LOCK-AND-LEAVE TYPE OF LIVING THAT TOWN HOMES OFFER.
ANOTHER ITEM THAT SOMEONE HAD MENTIONED WAS THAT THEY WOULD RATHER JUST SEE AMENITIES FOR EDGESTONE AND THAT EDGESTONE, THE MASTER PLAN IS ALREADY SHORT AND THAT OUR RESIDENTS WOULD REALLY JUST PUT FURTHER BURDEN ON THE EXISTING COMMUNITY.
I THINK THAT WITH OUR DOG PARK, OUR COMMUNITY GATHERING AREA, AS WELL AS LINKING TRAILS IN THE EXISTING EDGESTONE THAT WERE DEFINITELY NOT A BURDEN AND I THINK WE ACTUALLY ENHANCE THE EXISTING AMENITIES WITHIN THE EDGESTONE.
WITH THAT, I THINK I'LL STEP BACK.
I'M DEFINITELY AVAILABLE FOR ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY AND I CAN ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE.
>> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A MOTION OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING?
>> BOOKED UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
>> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN.
>> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
>> WAIT, I DO WANT TO NOTE, AS JONATHAN STATED, WE HAD ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS 86 NOTES IN OPPOSITION.
EACH OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS READ EVERY ONE OF THE PUBLIC INPUT AND WE TAKE PUBLIC INPUT SERIOUSLY.
WE DO APPRECIATE ALL THOSE WHO WERE FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM FROM A PUBLIC INPUT PERSPECTIVE OR NEEDED MORE INFORMATION, SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO READ THOSE IN DETAIL.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. IN NO SPECIFIC ORDER EXCEPT THE ORDER THAT WAS HANDED TO ME, I HAVE EIGHT BLUE CARDS OF INDIVIDUALS WHO WOULD EITHER LIKE TO SPEAK OR PUT THEIR NOTE INTO THE RECORD.
I HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IS AN OPPOSITION BY THE NAME OF DIEGO GARCIA.
I'M GOING TO CALL THE PERSON UP, AND THEN I'LL CALL THE NEXT PERSON.
MR. CHAIR, HOW LONG WILL THEY HAVE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING?
>> WE'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES THIS EVENING.
>> WELL, FIRST IS BRIAN, I THINK IT'S BELL FLOWER.
>> WE JUST ASK EVERYONE, WHEN YOU START OFF, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR RECORDS.
>> THEN AFTER MR. BELL FLOWER WILL BE BILL HITCHCOCK, IF YOU CAN BE PREPARED AS WELL. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BRIAN BELL FLOWER AND I LIVE AT 3752 MARBLE HILL ROAD IN EDGESTONE.
I'M ALSO ON THE HOA BOARD FOR EDGESTONE.
LET ME JUST ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS.
NUMBER 1, I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO ONE NEIGHBOR WHO IS IN FAVOR OF THIS TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT AT ALL.
YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT WHATEVER COMMUNICATION WAS SUPPOSED TO GO OUT THROUGH AN HOA REPRESENTATIVE, I'M NOT SURE IF VCM PROPERTIES FAILED US, BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD THE PROPER COMMUNICATION AS ILLUSTRATED BY ONE PERSON SHOWING UP TO AN HOA MEETING, I GUESS THAT WAS HELD.
THE 86 PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST THIS ARE REALLY THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.
THE REASONS WHY WE ARE AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT IS BECAUSE NUMBER 1, WE ALL HAVE WORKED VERY HARD FOR THE MONIES THAT WE HAVE PUT INTO OUR PROPERTIES.
JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CITIZEN OF FRISCO, WE'VE SAVED, WE'VE BOUGHT AND SOLD HOUSES, WE'VE WORKED.
WE'RE AT A PLACE IN OUR LIVES WHERE WE ARE NOW LIVING IN $1 MILLION PLUS TYPES OF HOMES AND THESE TOWN HOMES WILL DRASTICALLY POTENTIALLY DRIVE DOWN THE VALUE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING THESE, BUT THESE WILL TURN INTO OVER YEARS, RENTALS.
SOME OF US HAVE LIVED IN COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE STARTED OFF AS OWNERS AND THEN MOVE TO RENTERS AND WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
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THE ORIGINAL EDGESTONE COMMUNITY PLAN INCLUDED TIN, SINGLE-FAMILY, REGULAR HOMES TO BE PUT IN THIS AREA AND WE WANT THOSE TO REMAIN WHAT GOES IN THERE.IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, MY HOME VALUES GOING DOWN, BUT THE POOR PEOPLE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF STONEBROOK, LIKE MY FRIEND WHO'S IN THE MIDDLE OF BUILDING A HOUSE RIGHT NOW AND THIS WOULD CHANGE THE PLAN MIDSTREAM.
IT'S FINANCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE CITY OF FRISCO TO CHANGE THIS ON THESE PEOPLE.
WE NEED THIS AS A COMMUNITY TO STAY EXACTLY LIKE IT IS.
PUT NICE MILLION-DOLLAR PLUS SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THERE.
I'M NOT SURE WHY HEINZ, THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPERS SOLD THE PROPERTY.
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE REALLY NEED THIS TO STAY EXACTLY LIKE IT IS.
IF IT GETS REZONED, THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF EDGESTONE WHERE WE CAN'T SELL LOTS OR THE OTHER PART THAT'S DOWN BY STONEBROOK AND LEGACY ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER THAT COULD EASILY BE MADE INTO MORE TOWN HOMES AS WELL.
I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THE REZONING. THANK YOU.
>> NEXT IS BILL HITCHCOCK AND FOLLOWING HIM WILL BE ROGER HABER.
>> HI, MY NAME IS BILL HITCHCOCK AND EXCELLENT RANDOM DRAWING SINCE I WAS THE ONE LEADING THE MAFIA [LAUGHTER].
>> IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR ADDRESS AS WELL FOR THE RECORD.
>> SURE. MY ADDRESS IS 6254 MANDALAY DRIVE AND I'M IN THE EDGESTONE COMMUNITY.
BRIAN HAS ALREADY HIT ON A FEW OF THE BIG ITEMS, SUCH AS THE IMPACTS TO HOME VALUES.
I'M WORRIED ALSO ABOUT CONGESTION AND ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.
STERNBERG IS ALREADY VERY BUSY DUE TO ALL PHILLIPS CREEK RANCH AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO THERE.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING ADDITIONAL UNITS.
I DID BRING AN ORIGINAL MAP OF THE 10 HOMES THAT WERE PLANNED, THEY'RE IN A HALF FOOT ONES IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO GO FROM 10 TO HOW MANY? WHAT WAS THE NUMBER AGAIN?
>> TEN TO 61 AND YOU'RE IN AN AREA WHERE YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE ANY MORE HIGH-SCHOOLS PLANNED, YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF ROOM FOR THOSE HIGH-SCHOOLS, AND WE'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT ACROSS STREET FROM RIDI, AND WE DON'T EVEN GET ZONED RIDI.
IT'S GOING TO CAUSE ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS THERE.
I CAN APPRECIATE SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT WERE MADE EARLIER, BUT A LOT OF THE HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE EMPTY NESTERS LIKE MYSELF, RETIREES LIKE ONE OF THE OTHER HOA ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS, SO IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.
THE OTHER THING, YOU SAID YOU HAVE TO ZONE THE ENTIRE PLACE?
>> YOU CAN'T ASK STAFF QUESTIONS, [OVERLAPPING] I'M SORRY.
>> LEGALLY, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT RESPONDING TO YOU UNTIL AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I THINK I'LL END IT THERE THEN. THANK YOU, GUYS.
>> THANK YOU. NEXT IS ROGER HABER WHO'LL BE FOLLOWED BY ANNAN ANDREW.
MY NAME IS RAJA HEBAR AND I LIVE IN 3923 IDLEBROOK DRIVE FRISCO, WHICH IS PART OF THE ED STONE SUBDIVISION, THAT THIS IS AFFECTING.
I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING THAT I'M VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO THIS REZONING.
I FIND IT BOTH INTERESTING AND DISTURBING THAT THIS PROPOSAL HAS COME IN AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I FIND IT INTERESTING IN THAT THIS HAS BEEN CAST WITH SOME MOTIVATIONS AS TO WHY THE REZONING IS BEING DONE FOR THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION AS OPPOSED TO JUST A TRIANGULAR SEGMENT OF THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THE MOTIVES THAT HAVE BEEN ASCRIBED TO IT.
BUT I THINK THERE'S FAR MORE BEHIND THAT MOTIVE THAN IS ON THE SURFACE.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THIS PROPOSAL INTENDS TO BENEFIT FROM THE AMENITIES AND FACILITIES AND THE BRANDING THAT HAS BEEN BUILT INTO THE ED STONE SUBDIVISION SO THAT THE NAME CAN BE INHERITED BY THIS PARTICULAR SEGMENT THAT THE PROPOSERS ARE INTENDING TO PROFIT OFF OF.
I ALSO FIND IT INTERESTING THAT ABOUT THE TIMING OF THIS PROPOSAL, THIS IS TIMED, FRANKLY IN
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SUCH A PERFECT MANNER BY THE PROMOTERS TO PROFIT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.IT IS TIMED AFTER SELLING THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AT THE MAXIMUM PRICES THAT IT COULD GAIN BASED ON THE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THE SUBDIVISION WAS ABOUT.
THEN TURN AROUND AND INSERT THIS PROPOSAL AT THIS TIME SO THAT YOU CAN NOW INFUSE A LARGER NUMBER OF UNITS TO NOW PROFIT A WHOLE LOT MORE OUT OF IT AT THE COST OF THE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS WHO HAVE MADE THESE PURCHASE DECISIONS.
I FIND IT DISTURBING IN THE SENSE THAT THIS WAS DESCRIBED WITH A CERTAIN PROFILE AS A BRAND, IF YOU WILL, WHEN IT WAS SOLD TO US, THE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS.
AND IT HAS A VERY ATTRACTIVE PROFILE AND IT FETCHED THE MAXIMUM PRICE FROM US.
BY PAYING THAT PRICE, I DO FEEL THAT BY SOME MEASURE, WE DO OWN A PORTION OF THIS BRAND AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO THIS BRAND.
THEREFORE, WE ALSO HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTEST AND DENY ANY MOTION THAT HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THIS BRAND AT THIS POINT.
FOR ALL THESE REASONS, I'M VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO THE ZONING PROPOSAL. THANK YOU.
>> NEXT IS ANON ANDREW, WHO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY BOBBY.
I'M SORRY IF I MISPRONOUNCE THIS JACK SEWALA.
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS ANON ANDREW.
I LIVE IN ED STONE 3969 COHEN GARDEN LANE.
I DEFINITELY RECALL A LOT OF MY CO-RESIDENTS FROM ED STONE WHO MADE CERTAIN GREAT POINTS HERE.
ONE THING FOR SURE I HAVE TO GIVE A BACKGROUND IS IN THE HOA THAT WE HAVE.
WE DISCUSSED A LOT OF TIMES AMONG THE RESIDENTS.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH COMMUNICATION GOING TO THE RESIDENTS.
WITH THE VCM, THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT THAT WE HAVE, WE GET AN OFFICIAL OR NAMESAKE COMMUNICATION.
SOME POINT GETS LOST IN THE WEEDS.
WITH THAT BACKGROUND, I CAN CLEARLY RESONATE.
WE DEFINITELY HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORTERS HERE IN THE BACKGROUND AND THERE'S M ORE TO COME.
BUT THE POINT HERE IS THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE OPPOSING THIS CHANGE.
TO ME, I WOULD SAY WITH MY KIDS OUT THERE THE WAY I ENVISION THAT THEY WOULD GROW WITH THE COMMUNITIES AROUND MORE CLEANER CITY WITH THAT VISION OF FRISCO.
FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I DO SEE GETTING IT DOWN HOME LIKE THAT.
THE STABILITY IN THE CLEANLINESS OF THE CITY WITH THE BIG SUBDIVISION THAT WE HAVE.
I WAS HOPING IT'LL BE REMAINING THE SAME WAY.
BUT AGAIN, IT'LL CHANGE THE DYNAMICS AROUND THE SUBDIVISION.
THAT'S WHY I DEFINITELY WANT TO OPPOSE FOR THIS.
I CAN GO ON AND ON, BUT AGAIN, I HAVE TO REEMPHASIZE.
WE'RE NOT GETTING THE COMMUNICATION FROM HOA.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TWO REPRESENTATION OF HOAS THAT THE COMMUNICATION GOING OUT FROM THERE TO YOU ALL, THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT ABLE TO CONNECT, SO WE DON'T EVEN GET SOME WORDING OR GOOD REPRESENTATION.
FIRST OF ALL, TO SPEAK FROM ED STONE PERSPECTIVE.
THAT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE SO FAR.
COMING BACK TO FACILITIES, AMENITIES, THE NORTH SIDE OF ED STONE THAT HAS BEEN BUILT OUT NOW.
TO ME, HONESTLY, THE BUILDER HAS NOT DONE GOOD JOB IN PROVIDING THE GOOD FACILITIES COMPARED TO THE SOUTHSIDE.
ALREADY WE'RE STRAINED THERE AND TO MULTIPLY THAT WITH DOWN HOMES. I CAN GO ON AND ON.
I'D LIKE TO ECHO WHAT HAS BEEN SAID SO FAR.
>> NEXT IS, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME SO I DON'T BUTCHER IT AGAIN AFTER THIS GENTLEMAN WILL BE JEFFREY JOHNSON.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BOBBY JOE MALALA.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSION FOR PROVIDING ME OPPORTUNITY TO TALK OVER HERE.
I'M THE FUTURE RESIDENT OF ED STONE.
I SIGNED WITH LONDON BUILDER IN AUGUST MONTH, AND I DID TIME THIS WAS NOT COMMUNICATED.
I BELIEVE IT HAS COME AFTERWARDS.
BUT I INVESTED MY MONEY INTO THIS ED STONE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT WAS LOOKING VERY BEAUTIFUL AT THE RIGHT PLACE.
BY BRING THESE CHANGE IT WILL BE IMPACTING OR ALL MY INVESTMENT AS WELL AS I'M LOOKING MY KID'S FUTURE INTO THESE COMMUNITY.
BEING NEXT TO TOWN HOMES, I'M NOT FEELING VERY SECURE FOR MY FAMILY AND KIDS.
IN ADDITION, ALL OF OUR COLLEAGUES AND FRIENDS HAVE ALSO SPOKEN ABOUT SO I EQUAL THEIR VOICE.
FIRST OF ALL MY POINT IS THAT THEY ARE NOT STICKING TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN WHICH WAS COMMUNICATED TO US.
YOU AND I ARE NOT SEEING THAT AND I'M THE MOST IMPACTED PERSON BECAUSE I'M GOING TO LEAVE JUST A COUPLE OF STREET AWAY FROM WHERE IT'S BEING BUILT.
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I'M GOING TO STAY ON 6822 PEMBERTON DRIVE.RIGHT NOW A CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON AND CLOSING IS EXPECTED IN SOME TIME IN MAY.
BY HEARING THESE NEWS, I'M REALLY UPSET AND SHOCKED ABOUT THIS.
SECOND REASON I CAN FEEL OFF IS THAT, THE ORAL AREA WILL BECOME MORE DENSE BECAUSE 10 FAMILY HOME VERSUS 61 HOMES, SUCH A HUGE NUMBER, HUGE CHANGE.
ANOTHER REASON IF YOU LOOK AT NO OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TOWN HOMES.
BE IT PHILLIPS CREEK RANCH OR ANY OTHER COMMUNITY.
YOU LOOK AT IT. THEY'RE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND THEY'RE WELL DEVELOPED.
WE ARE LOOKING THE ED STONE FUTURE LIKE THAT.
I'M OPPOSING THAT AND I DO NOT WANT TO LIVE WITH THE RENTERS ARE PUTTING CEILING RENTERS WILL COME TO START SEEING THE TOWN HOMES.
I REQUEST THE COMMUNITY TO RECONSIDER THIS DECISION AND I REQUEST BUILDERS TO BUILD SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND STICK TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN. THANK YOU.
>> NEXT IS JEFFREY JOHNSON, FOLLOWED BY PAULA MCFARLAND.
>> MY NAME IS JEFFREY JOHNSON.
MY FAMILY AND I RESIDE AT 3923 COVEDALE, WHICH IS IN ED STONE SUBDIVISION.
IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL WE BUILT THAT HOUSE APPROXIMATELY IN 2017.
AT THAT POINT IN TIME, HEINZ DEVELOPMENT, ALONG WITH PROPERTY MANAGER, WHOEVER IT WAS AT THAT TIME, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THREE DIFFERENT COMPANIES NOW AS HEINZ HAS CHANGED AND IT SEEMS HEARTWOOD IS THE COMPANY THAT TOOK OVER FOR HEINZ.
THE CONCEPT WAS THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SUBDIVISION HAS A VERY ELABORATE AMENITY CENTER WITH A GYM.
I THINK IT'S 30 FEET LONG BY 15 FEET WIDE.
IT HAS A NICE LITTLE HILL AREA, A PERFECT POOL, RESORT STYLE, IF YOU WILL.
THE NORTH SIDE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DUPLICATED AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
WHEN THEY STARTED CONSTRUCTION ON THE NORTH SIDE, THEY CHANGED THAT CONCEPT.
NOW THEY SIMPLY HAVE TWO RESTROOMS AND A POOL THAT'S SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER.
THE REASON I WANTED TO GO INTO THAT IS BECAUSE ADDING THIS MINI MORE ADDITIONAL FAMILIES INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ALREADY LACKLUSTER AMENITIES, IT'S GOING TO CREATE ISSUES.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE FOOT TRAFFIC FROM THE TOWN HOMES THROUGH THE NORTH SIDE AND THEN BRING THEM BACK SOUTH ONTO OURS. THE ORIGINAL ONES.
THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE PROMISED, THEY'VE NEVER COME TO FRUITION.
THE CONTACT AMAZINGLY ENOUGH, WE DID NOT HAVE OUR ANNUAL JANUARY HOA MEETING THIS YEAR, NOR DID WE RECEIVE ANY INFORMATION ON WHY IT WAS CANCELED.
BUT WE DO HAVE NEW REPRESENTATION THROUGH THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY, VCM.
ON TOP OF AFFECTING OUR VALUES, WHEN THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT AND AS IT'S DEVELOPED, YOU HAD ANCHORING SECTIONS OF THE SUBDIVISION WHERE YOU HAD IN EXCESSIVE 1 MILLION IN EXCESSIVE 3 MILLION FROM THE ORIGINATION.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE ONE HOUSE WAS 600, THE NEXT WAS 1.1.
IT WAS TO HELP LET EVERYBODY'S VALUES INCREASE.
IT WAS EQUAL, IT WAS EQUITABLE TO EVERYONE.
WITH THIS SCENARIO IS GOING TO SECTION OFF THE $500,000 RANGE ALL THE WAY AT THE END OF THE SUBDIVISION, PUTTING THEM ON THEIR OWN.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, JUST BY LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS THAT THEY CAME UP WITH.
MY FIRST CONCERN IS PARKING, WHERE THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO PARK? OF COURSE, WE WOULD LIKE TO THINK THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE FANTASTIC NEIGHBORS AND THE ROTATION OF RESIDENCE IS GOING TO BE ALWAYS FANTASTIC.
BUT USUALLY THE SECOND CYCLE IS NOT THE BEST CYCLE, OR IF THEY TURN INTO RENTALS.
IF THERE'S NO PARKING LOTS, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, AND THERE'S NO AMENITIES CENTERS FOR THEM TO UTILIZE EITHER.
PARKING WOULD FALL ONTO THE FOURTH ARMY, WHICH IS ALREADY CONGESTED.
AS IT LEADS INTO THIS STONE BROOKE.
SECONDLY, ALSO, I THINK THE SCHOOL WAS ALREADY TOUCHED ON TO.
WITH THE ADDITION OF THE CONGESTION AND ONTO THE STREETS, MY ALSO WOULDN'T BE JUST THE CLIMBING TREES WITH THAT MANY MORE RESONANCE SQUISHED INTO THAT LITTLE AREA THAT WAS ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE ORIGINALLY DONE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. NEXT IS PAULA MCFARLAND, WHO SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY AMY LEWIS.
>> I'M PAULINE MCFARLAND, I LIVE AT 6233 BRAINWAVE ROAD.
MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR A LITTLE OVER THREE YEARS.
I TOO SIGNED MY CONTRACT ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, WAS REPRESENTED THE SAME WAY JUST AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY TOLD TO YOU ABOUT HOW EACH AREA WAS GOING TO HAVE AN INCREMENTAL INCREASE.
THERE WERE GOING TO BE 10 HOMES OR APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE LESS THAN 12 ON THAT TRIANGULAR AREA.
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AND IT WAS GOING TO BE MORE OF A UPSCALE.EVEN MORE SO THAN WHAT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY WAS GOING TO HOLD.
I SERVE ON THE ADVISORY HOMEOWNERS BOARD.
OUR REPRESENTATION FOR OUR HOA HAS BEEN VERY MINIMAL AT BEST.
UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM, THOSE ARE OUR PROBLEM WE ARE TRYING TO RECTIFY.
WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LEVEL OF TRAFFIC AND THE NOISE AS EXPONENTIALLY INCREASED SINCE WE MOVED IN THREE YEARS AGO.
AS HE SAID, I DON'T HAVE CHILDREN IN THIS FRISCO SCHOOLS ANY LONGER.
BUT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO RID.
OUR KIDS HAVE TO BE BUSSED ACROSS THE TOLL WAY TO FRISCO.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL CHANGE.
I CAN ONLY IMAGINE IF WE'RE COMING IN WITH WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE 10 HOMES AND THEY WOULDN'T REZONE US TO GO TO 3D.
THAT IF THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN WITH 60 PLUS HOMES.
THAT THEY WOULD NOT WANT TO REZONE BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL INCREASE IN NUMBERS FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO ANYONE WHO IS IN FAVOR OF THIS.
LIKE I SAID, I SERVE ON ADVISORY BOARD.
I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY HAD COME TO THEIR MEETINGS.
I DON'T KNOW WHO RECEIVED NOTICES OF THEIR MEETINGS.
BUT I KNOW BRIAN AND BILL, AND I WE TALK AND MEET OFTEN BECAUSE WE'RE THE THREE THAT ARE ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
WE WERE ALL DUMBFOUNDED WHEN WE GOT THIS AND WE FOUND THIS OUT ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED EVEN ON THE ADVISORY BOARD.
GRANTED WE DON'T HOLD ANY POWER OVER HINDS, WE DON'T HOLD ANY POWER OVER VCM.
WE CAN ONLY ADVISE WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM OUR NEIGHBORS.
THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
WE'D LIKE IT TO STAY AS THE HOMES AND HAVE THOSE BRING INTO THE COMMUNITY AND ADD THE DIFFERENCES THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS.
OUR COMMUNITY IS VERY VARIED, WIDE RANGE OF EDGES, AND EVERYTHING.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WITH THESE COMMUNITY, THESE TOWN HOMES, THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO MARKET THOSE AS YOUNG, MARRIED OR OLDER PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO EXIT THEIR HOMES QUICKLY AND STOP NOTICE.
I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME PROBLEMS WITH SOME RENTALS THAT PEOPLE HAVE COME IN AND INVESTMENT PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN BOUGHT.
AND THEY'RE NOW LEASING AND THEY'RE STARTING TO HAVE SOME ISSUES ON THAT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE ADVISORY BOARD IS TALKING TO BCM, WHO IS TALKING TO HEINZ TO TRY TO GET THIS RECTIFIED FOR US ALSO.
I CAN ONLY SEE THAT IT WOULD GO DOWN TO THAT ROAD ALSO.
AND WE WOULD HAVE MORE ISSUES TOO.
THAT WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY DRIVE OUR PROPERTY VALUES DOWN.
WE MOVED FROM AN AREA WHERE WE WERE TOLD NO, THESE ARE GOING TO BE SUPPLEMENTAL, THESE ARE GOING TO BE GREAT.
IT MIGHT BE FOR THE FIRST 3-5 YEARS.
DO YOU GET THAT FIRST TURNOVER OF PEOPLE? AFTER THAT, YOU GET MORE THAN LIKELY INVESTORS WHO ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE HOME LIFE THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. NEXT IS AMY LOUIS, WHICH WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DIEGO GARCIA.
>> I'M AMY LOUIS. I LIVE AT 4189 HAZELWOOD.
I'LL START BY SAYING I AM OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
I ALSO SERVE ON A COMMITTEE WITHIN EDGESTONE.
OVER THE PAST YEAR WE'VE DISCUSSED GATING THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT WAS A BIG DISCUSSION WHEN THEY STARTED SELLING THESE HOMES.
SO I KNOW WE'RE NOT ANSWERING QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, BUT I GUESS A QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT OUR ABILITY TO GATE THE COMMUNITY SHOULD WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT? IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A WALKING PATH THERE, WHICH I HAVE A FEELING WOULD BE A COMPLETE OPPOSITION BY EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE NOT HAD ANYONE OPPOSED TO GATING THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE JUST STILL BEEN WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
SO, I'VE GOT SEVERAL DIFFERENT POINTS SO BEAR WITH ME AS I LOOK AT MY NOTES HERE.
I ALSO, EVEN THOUGH I DO SERVE ON THAT COMMITTEE, WAS NOT AWARE THAT THERE WAS EVER AN HOA MEETING THAT HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS OF THIS.
THE FIRST NOTICE I HAD WAS SEEING THE SIGNS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN SEEING THAT WE HAD THIS MEETING TONIGHT.
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THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THE ACTUAL PLAN WAS.SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT WE WERE NOT AWARE AS RESIDENTS THAT THIS WAS IN THE WORKS AND DEFINITELY DID NOT HAVE AN HOA MEETING THAT WAS KNOWN TO THE RESIDENCE.
MY OTHER CONCERN WOULD BE THE NORTHEAST CORNER AT STONY BROOK AND LEGACY.
GOING FORWARD RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOTHING PLANNED FOR THAT, BUT WE ACTUALLY BACKUP TO THAT.
AND MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT IF THIS WHOLE PROPERTY IS REZONED, THAT ANOTHER INVESTOR OR THESE GUYS WHOEVER OWNS THAT AT THAT TIME COULD COME IN AND ALSO DO MULTI-FAMILY HOMES THERE AT THAT CORNER AS WELL.
WHEN THEY'VE MENTIONED THESE WERE GOING TO BE AROUND 500,000 JUST TO GO TO THE RENTAL THING.
MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS, WELL, IF THIS GOES THROUGH WE NEED TO LOOK AT BUYING THESE AS A RENTAL PROPERTY.
I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT RENTALS THERE, BUT AS A INVESTOR IN MY REAL ESTATE, I VERY MUCH SEE THESE BEING RENTAL PROPERTIES.
ESPECIALLY IN FRISCO WHEN THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO BE BOUGHT.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FAMILIES THAT ARE TRYING TO GET INTO THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN FRISCO COMING FROM OTHER PLACES AND THEY CANNOT AFFORD ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT.
SO THEY ARE LOOKING FOR RENTALS.
SO I VERY MUCH SEE THIS BEING A RENTAL USE SHOULD THAT GO THROUGH.
STONY BROOK IS ALREADY A VERY BUSY STREET.
ON THE NORTH SIDE WE HAVE A SMALL CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND.
AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE WE HAVE ONE, AS HE MENTIONED EARLIER, VERY SMALL AMENITY CENTER WITH WORKOUT EQUIPMENT AND SOME CHILDREN'S EQUIPMENT THERE, THAT'S FOR MUCH LARGER KIDS.
WE'RE NOT EVEN ABLE TO CROSS THE STREET USUALLY BECAUSE IT IS SO BUSY.
SHOULD WE BRING MORE PEOPLE IN? EVERYBODY IS WANTING TO COME TO THE SOUTH SIDE USE THOSE AMENITIES.
AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH SPACE THERE.
THE AMENITY CENTER IS PROBABLY SHUT DOWN 50% OF THE TIME BECAUSE SOMETHING IS BROKEN, THE DOOR IS LOCKED, THEY CAN'T GET IN.
I'VE ALSO SEEN THE POOL ON THE NORTH SIDE GATE LEFT OPEN.
WE'VE REPORTED THAT TO THE HOA TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GOT THAT FIXED, BUT THAT HAS LEFT THE GATE TO THE POOL WIDE OPEN.
AS WE KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL CHILDREN IN FRISCO AREA THAT HAVE DROWNED OVER THE YEARS.
SO I FEEL LIKE ADDING MORE FAMILIES, ESPECIALLY THAT MAY BE LOWER-INCOME, MAYBE THE PARENTS WHO ARE NOT THERE ALL THE TIME TO MONITOR.
IT COULD BE A RISK TO OUR COMMUNITY AND A LIABILITY TO OUR COMMUNITY.
WE LIVE ON THE CREEK THAT RUNS RIGHT THROUGH WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS GOING.
IT IS ALREADY FULL OF TRASH ALL THE TIME.
I FEEL LIKE ADDING THAT MANY HOMES RIGHT AT THAT AREA.
IT'S ONLY GOING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT GOES INTO THAT CREEK AND ULTIMATELY INTO THE POND BEHIND OUR COMMUNITY.
I GUESS THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW.
SO YES, I WOULD SAY THAT EVERYONE I'VE SPOKEN TO IS OPPOSED AND WE WERE NOT AWARE OF THIS PROJECT.
>> THANK YOU. BEFORE YOU STEP, I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION THOUGH.
SO YOU SAID THE GATE ON THE AMENITY POOL IS NOT OPERABLE?
I E-MAILED THEM AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY HAD THE TIME TO FIX IT BEFORE WE LET THE CITY KNOW.
>> IF THAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE JUST CONTACT MY DEPARTMENT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.
>> THANK YOU. NEXT IS DIEGO GARCIA FOLLOWED BY MARCO GARCIA.
I'M SORRY, DIEGO, WE DID NOT WISH TO SPEAK.
>> WILL BE FOLLOWED BY CERES MISHRA.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARCO GARCIA.
I LIVE IN 3800 OVERTURE DRIVE IN FRISCO ON PUBLIC COMMUNITY.
WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOME IN 2019, I DID MY RESEARCH.
THE WIFE MADE ME DO MY RESEARCH IN OTHER WAY AROUND IT.
AND I SPEND MONTHS LOOKING AT THE BEST VALUE FOR MY FAMILY AND THE BEST LOCATION.
AND I BOUGHT A CONTRACT AND I BOUGHT THE HOME, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DID.
ALL I WANT IS WHAT I PAID FOR.
I PAID WITH THE IDEA THAT IT'S GOING TO BE FULLY DEVELOPED.
YOU HAVE DARLING, YOU HAVE AN HIGHLAND HOMES, YOU HAD SHATTUCK, YOU HAVE THE TOLL BROTHERS.
THESE ALL REPRESENT A BRAND LIKE ANYBODY HAS MENTIONED.
AND NO MATTER WHAT ANYBODY SAYS, A TOWN DOESN'T FIT THAT CRITERIA, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR IT.
AND I JUST WANTED TO GET WHAT I PAID FOR.
I REALLY DON'T WANT ANY CHANGES TO HAPPEN BECAUSE IT WAS NOT FORESEEN.
IT'S JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE WHEN I BUY SOMETHING, I WANT EVERYBODY TO KEEP THEIR WORD AND PLAY IT LIKE IT WASN'T MEANT TO BE.
OUR HOA IS MINIMAL A JOKE AT BEST.
I HADN'T RECEIVED ANY COMMON NOTICES.
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AND YOU KNOW THE REASON WHY.I KNOW ABOUT THIS IS BECAUSE I SAW THE ACTUAL SIGNS, NO E-MAILS, NO HOA MEETINGS BEFORE.
SO I'M REALLY OPPOSED TO THIS AND I JUST WANT THE PLAN TO STAY AS A WORSE AND I HOPE THAT IT DOESN'T PASS THROUGH.
BECAUSE IF IT DOES, IT WILL BE A GREAT DEVASTATION TO THE COMMUNITY.
I SPOKE TO MY NEIGHBORS, ALL 20 OF THEM THAT I KNOW ON A DAILY BASIS IN OVERTURE DRIVE AND NOBODY HAS ANY IDEA THAT HOW COULD THIS BE? SO AGAIN I'M FULLY OPPOSED FOR IT.
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN AND RESPECTED COMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPRESENT.
>> SIR, IF YOU CAN SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, I'D APPRECIATE IT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> SURE. YEAH. SO MY NAME IS CERES MISHRA.
MY ADDRESS IS 4312 HAZELWOOD AVENUE, FRISCO TEXAS. LIKE MY NEIGHBORS AND CO-RESIDENTS IN THE EDGESTONE PROPERTY HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL, I'M HERE TO SHARE A FEW MORE SUPPORTING POINTS OF VIEW THAT I THOUGHT IT'S INTERESTING TO BRING IT THE TABLE AND TO THE ATTENTION OF EVERYONE ASSEMBLED HERE TODAY THIS EVENING.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT IN DALLAS, FORT WORTH AREA SINCE 2004 AND SINCE 2017, I'VE CALLED FRISCO MY HOME.
I'VE LIVED IN VARIOUS CITIES IN DALLAS, FORT WORTH METROPLEX, AND WHEN I CHOSE FRISCO BACK IN 2017, I WAS INTO THE SAME VISION THAT EVERYONE SHARED FOR THE CITY OF FRISCO, WHICH IS QUALITY OF LIFE, GREAT SCHOOLS, AND A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHEN I SPOKE TO THE BUILDER, HINES, AND OF COURSE THE PROPERTY MANAGERS, THE VISION THAT WE WERE SOLD IN EDGESTONE, INCLUDING SOME OF THE FLYERS AND BROCHURES THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS DISTRIBUTED WAS LIKE WE'LL HAVE TENNIS COURTS, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN BUILT TILL TODAY, WE WILL HAVE A PREMIUM NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THAT EDGESTONE BRANDING THAT WILL GUARANTEE THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE DENSITY THAT WE WERE EXPECTING.
WE WILL HAVE A PROPERTY THAT IS GOING TO APPRECIATE OVER TIME, AND IT WON'T BE JUST YET ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT.
WE PAID PREMIUM PRICES TO PUT OUR LIFETIME SAVINGS TO ACTUALLY BUY A PROPERTY IN EDGESTONE WITH THAT SHARED VISION.
BUT THEN ALSO IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, NO NEW AMENITIES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO US BY THE BUILDER NVCM.
THIS IS GOING BACK TO THOSE THREE OR FOUR MANAGEMENT CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED ON THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
I WAS TOLD, AND THEN THIS IS IN THE BY-LAWS, THAT ONCE THE BUILDER SELLS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF PROPERTIES, I BELIEVE IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 70 AND 80 PERCENT, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FORM OUR OWN HOA AND WE COULD DO THINGS.
THE POOL IS PRETTY MUCH OPEN TO PUBLIC ACCESS.
THE KEY FOBS ARE BROKEN 50 PERCENT OF THE TIME, WHICH YOU ALREADY HEARD.
NOW RECENTLY, THERE'S LOTS OF BURGLARY GOING ON IN THE AMENITY CENTER PARKING LOT.
LOTS OF ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE PEOPLE COULD SIMPLY SNEAK INTO THE PROPERTY WITH NO CONTROLS, AND SO THE RESIDENTS WANTED TO REALLY BUILD A GATED COMMUNITY, AND GUESS WHAT? 2017, I ATTENDED THE HOA MEETING, I WAS ONE OF THOSE EARLY MOVERS ALONG WITH MY FELLOW RESIDENTS, WE WERE TOLD THAT THESE ROADS BELONGED TO THE CITY OF FRISCO, IT'S NOT THE BUILDER'S DECISION TO BUILD A GATED COMMUNITY.
BY THE WAY, IF YOU DID WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE A GOOD GATED COMMUNITY, YOU NEED TO HAVE VOTING POWER, AND YOU SHOULD BE IN THAT CATEGORY WHERE IT'S 70-80 PERCENT OF THE HOMES SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOLD.
WELL, 70-80 PERCENT OF WHAT? 70-80 PERCENT OF THE ORIGINAL PLANNED EDGESTONE SOUTH AND NORTH BLOCK, OR IS IT THIS NEW SNEAKY CHANGE THAT WAS JUST INTRODUCED WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE WHERE NOW YOU'RE SAYING 70 PERCENT OF SOUTH BLOCK, NORTH BLOCK, AND THE SET OF TOWNHOMES? IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THIS IS AN EVER-EXPANDING MOVING TARGET, THAT 70 PERCENT IS NEVER GOING TO BE REACHED, AND IT SEEMS LIKE A MASTER PLAN
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WHERE THEY REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO SHARE THOSE TRANSPARENT NUMBERS WITH US.WHEN CAN WE REALLY GET MY OWN BASKETBALL COURT? WE HAVE ENOUGH GREEN GRASS.
MY KIDS CAN'T PLAY BASKETBALL BECAUSE THE BUILDER WOULDN'T BUILD IT.
MY KIDS CAN'T PLAY VOLLEYBALL BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ALLOCATED SPACE.
MY KIDS CAN'T USE THE AMENITIES THAT WE WERE PROMISED IN THE CHILDREN'S AREA, THAT'S NOT MAINTAINED.
ALSO, IRONICALLY, EDGESTONE SHARES A FENCE WITH REEDY HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS RIGHT IN THE BACKYARD.
I COULD SIMPLY CLIMB OVER THE FENCE INTO REEDY, AND WHEN WE HAD HIGH SCHOOL KIDS ASKING FOR REEDY HIGH SCHOOL TO BECOME PART OF THE EDGESTONE ZONING, A VIEWER SAID YOU'VE REACHED MAXIMUM CAPACITY.
THERE'S NO MORE ROOM TO ACCOMMODATE ANY MORE KIDS IN REEDY BECAUSE THAT'S MAPS TO PHILLIPS CREEK RANCH AND EVERYBODY IN EDGESTONE HAS TO GO FIVE MILES AWAY INTO FRISCO HIGH SCHOOL.
MY QUESTION HERE TO THE COMMITTEE HERE IS IF WE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY [OVERLAPPING]
>> CHAIR WILL GIVE YOU AN EXTRA 30 SECONDS.
>> THEN HOW DID YOU ALLOW THE TOWNHOMES? I DID WANT TO ACTUALLY ALSO SHARE THIS IMPACT ARTICLE FROM ONE OF THE STATEMENTS THAT MR. ROB COX HAS MENTIONED, AND HE'S HERE TODAY.
PLANNING AND ZONING, CHAIR ROB COX SAID, THE CHANGES REDUCE NEIGHBORHOOD DENSITY AND ARE IN LINE WITH THE CITY'S GOAL TO DEVELOP SPACIOUS LOTS FOR HOMES.
THIS REALLY HELPS WHAT WE TRY TO DO IN FRISCO WHERE WE CAN, WHICH IS TO HAVE A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NICE LOT SIZES.
THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING I SUPPORT MR. ROB COX, THIS IS A FRISCO IMPACT COMMUNITY STATEMENT THAT YOU HAD MADE.
HERE'S THE ARTICLE, SO IF YOU SUPPORT THE STATEMENT, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD ALSO SUPPORT NOT HAVING MORE TOWNHOMES AND REDUCING THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE AS RESIDENTS OF FRISCO WANT TO SHARE AND WE WANT TO LIVE THAT.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND I HOPE YOU'LL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THE OTHER FACTORS THAT MY COLLEAGUES JUST MENTIONED. THANK YOU.
>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM THIS EVENING? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK YOU GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO HIMSELF.
>> DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING?
>> MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN.
>> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOX. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES 4, 0.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE THAT CAME OUT TONIGHT AND SPOKE OR EVEN DIDN'T SPEAK, BUT FOR BEING HERE, PARTICIPATION IS VERY IMPORTANT.
I WANT TO ADDRESS A FEW THINGS THAT WERE STATED.
WHAT OUR ROLE HERE ON THIS COMMISSION IS TO UNDERSTAND THE BEST USE FOR THE LAND BASED OFF A LANDOWNER REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING AND THAT'S OUR JOB.
FIRST OF ALL, I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WEST OF THIS, I LIVE IN PEARSON FARMS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF STONEBROOK.
WHEN I FIRST HEARD THAT THEY WANTED TO PUT TOWNHOMES IN HERE, I WAS ACTUALLY TICKED, AND WHEN I MET WITH THE BUILDER AND I WAS TICKED BECAUSE OF HINES THAT THE DEVELOPER THAT BUILT THIS DIDN'T MEET THE COMMITMENT OF EIGHT OR 10 LOTS OVER ON THAT SIDE.
THAT BEING SAID, THEY SOLD IT TO A NEW LANDOWNER WHO HAS A REQUEST IN TO MAKE CHANGES.
WHEN TALKING TO THEM, THEIR VERY FIRST ITERATION OF THIS WAS DEFINITELY NOT ANYTHING THAT I WANTED IN THE AREA.
IF THEY DON'T BUILD $10.5 MILLION HOMES THERE, AND IF IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO BUILD $10.5 MILLION HOMES, WHAT'S THE NEXT BEST USE? I ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN.
ONE IS IF WE TURN THIS DOWN, WHAT CAN GO IN THERE? A CHURCH CAN GO IN THERE, WITHOUT ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT, A CHURCH WILL HAVE MUCH MORE TRAFFIC IMPACT, NOISE IMPACT, MAY NOT BE A BAD NEIGHBOR.
THAT MEANS THAT LAND COULD SIT THERE FOR YEARS AND JUST BE MORE TRASH, MORE MOSQUITOES, MORE SNAKES IN THAT UNDEVELOPED AREA.
I ASKED ABOUT PATIO HOMES BECAUSE WHAT'S THE NEXT BEST USE? CAN BE ABLE TO BE PATIO HOMES, BUT YOU CAN ONLY PROBABLY GET ABOUT 20 PATIO HOMES IN THERE, FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE.
THEN WE TALKED AND THE COMMENT I MADE ABOUT TOWNHOMES AS WELL, THEY NEED TO LOOK LIKE THEY'VE BEEN PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
THEY CAN'T LOOK LIKE TOWNHOMES YOU SEE DOWN IN CARROLLTON OR SOMEPLACE LIKE THAT THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS.
THEY NEED TO LOOK LIKE THE ONES IN HIGHLAND PARK OR THE CANALS, SO PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT WE HAVE TOWNHOME COMMUNITIES LIKE THE CANALS, WHICH ARE NEXT TO ME IN HALF OR TWO-MILLION-DOLLAR HOUSES
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IN THE CANALS AND IN PARK PLACE.WE HAVE TOWNHOMES RIGHT NEXT TO STARWOOD, BELLA CASA, ONE OF THE NICEST TOWNHOMES DEVELOPMENTS I'VE SEEN.
THEY CAN BE DONE WELL AND YOU CAN HAVE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY IN THEM.
BUT IS THAT THE BEST USE OF THE LAND? SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE REQUIRED OF THE DEVELOPER HERE IN THE MULTIPLE WORK SESSIONS THAT WE HAD WAS YOU JUST CAN'T HAVE SIX OR EIGHT TOWNHOMES ALL IN A ROW AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE ONE BLANK WALL, SO THEY WENT IN, THEY BUILT TWO TOWNHOMES, THREE TOWNHOMES, FOUR TOWNHOMES, SO THEY LOOKED LIKE MANSIONS VERSUS TRADITIONAL TOWNHOMES.
THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS IN TERMS OF THE CONVERSATION IN THE BUILDING REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE.
I WANT TO ADDRESS THE SECURITY ASPECT.
WE'RE NOT TALKING MULTI-FAMILY HERE ON A PIECE OF LAND LIKE THIS, YOU COULD PROBABLY HAVE TWO OR 300 APARTMENTS. WE WOULDN'T DO THAT.
I DON'T WANT APARTMENTS IN THIS AREA AND ESPECIALLY SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T LOOK LIKE PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
GOING BACK TO THE BEST USE, WE HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION IF THIS IS THE BEST USE OR NOT.
I ONLY GET TO VOTE MYSELF IF THESE FOUR DON'T COME TO A CONSENSUS AND IT'S A TIE.
BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TYPE OF FOLKS THAT COME INTO FRISCO AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOWER-INCOME FOLKS, THIS IS NOT A LOWER-INCOME PROPERTY, $500,000 TOWNHOME IS A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT.
ACTUALLY, CAN I ASK THE DEVELOPER TO COME UP SO I CAN ASK HIM QUESTION ON WHAT TYPICALLY HOA FEES ARE IN A TOWNHOME COMMUNITY OF THIS SIZE? I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE $100 A MONTH LIKE IT IS IN SOME DEVELOPMENTS.
>> MY NAME IS BRUNO PASQUENELLI, FOR THE RECORD, OFFICES AT 5151 HEADQUARTERS DRIVE IN PLANO.
I AM THE BUILDER CADENCE HOME.
SO GENERALLY, WE EVEN PUT A BUDGET TOGETHER YET, BUT THE BUDGET WOULD INCLUDE SINKING FUNDS FOR THE ROOF, THE BUILDING, THE PAVEMENT, THE DRIVEWAYS, THINGS THAT ARE NOT PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE USEFUL LIVES, THAT WILL NEED TO BE REPLACED EVENTUALLY.
THE BUDGET INCLUDES THE LAWN MAINTENANCE AND INCLUDES THE WATER FOR THE LAWNS, THE FERTILIZATION, ETC.
AN HOA THAT'S CONSTRUCTED CORRECTLY SHOULD HAVE LONGEVITY AND HOW IT LOOKS, YOU DON'T HAVE THE OUTLIER HOUSE, WHICH WE'VE ALL SEEN IN OUR COMMUNITIES WERE THE LAWN IS NOT MOWED.
EXCUSE ME, THE LAWNS MOWED THE SAME TIME EVERY WEEK SO GENERALLY, I WOULD EXPECT AND INCLUDES THE INSURANCE FOR THE BUILDINGS.
PROBABLY AROUND 300 DOLLARS A MONTH WOULD BE THE DUES SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.
>> NOT IN INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
>> IT'S NOT INSIGNIFICANT. THANK YOU, SIR.
>> I'LL DEFER TO THE OTHER GUYS COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I WANTED TO SHARE THOSE THINGS WITH YOU BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND.
I THINK WE DON'T HAVE SECURITY PROBLEMS AND BELLICASA.
WE DON'T HAVE SECURITY PROBLEMS IN THE CANALS ANYMORE THAN WE WOULD ANYWHERE ELSE.
IT REALLY BECOMES DOWN, I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS IS AND WHATEVER THE OUTCOME IS HERE TONIGHT I UNDERSTAND THAT DESIRE AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.
WHAT I GET CONCERNED ABOUT IS WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE DECISIONS ON THERE BASED OFF THE FACTS AND THE RIGHT REASONS.
FOR EXAMPLE, DATING THE COMMUNITY.
WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT DATING COMMITTEE.
THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS, A LEGAL PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH IF YOU WANT TO GET THE COMMUNITY AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A 100 PERCENT.
>> WE'D HAVE TO HAVE LET ME JUST COVER THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE 100 PERCENT OF THE HOMEOWNERS TO SIGN OFF ON IT.
THERE'S A LAW THAT IF YOU'RE CHANGING THE ACCESS TO SOMEONE'S PROPERTY, THEY HAVE TWO YEARS TO FILE SUIT. THAT'S ONE.
NUMBER 2, THE RIGHT OF LAWYER IS ONE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED.
THAT'S A PUBLIC ASSET THAT HAS TO BE TO A DETERMINATION ABOUT HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST TO ACQUIRE THAT IMPROVEMENT.
THIRD IS REPLANTING THE PROPERTY TO MAKE THAT A PRIVATE STRAIGHT.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER FACTORS AS WELL, MEANING THE HOA DOCUMENTS SETTING ASIDE FUNDS FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE STREET BECAUSE YOU WILL WANT FIRST RESPONDERS TO EASILY GET TO THE PROPERTIES SO YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE DAMAGE STRIPES.
BUT THOSE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT WITH CHAPEL CREEK AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S NOT GATED.
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>> THERE'S ALSO IN YOUR ENTRANCES, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SO MUCH ROOM FOR STACKING CARS COMING INTO A GATED COMMUNITY AND A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES AREN'T BUILT FOR THAT AND SO THAT CREATES SOME OTHER CHALLENGES.
I JUST WANT TO BRING IT OUT JUST BECAUSE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO AND WE CAN'T THE HOA SITUATION THAT YOU HAVE.
I GET IT I'VE BEEN PARTS OF THREE HOAS IN FRISCO.
IT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY AND I APPRECIATE THE ANGST ON IT, WHICH IS WHY WE PUT THE SIGNS OUT IN ADDITION TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND SO FORTH SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS AS PART OF THE PROCESS TO GIVE YOU A VOICE.
IF THIS ACTUALLY GETS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL NIGHT, THERE ACTUALLY WILL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO YOU'LL HAVE THE RIGHT TO TALK IN FRONT OF THAT BODY AS WELL.
WE DON'T MAKE THE DECISION, WE JUST RECOMMEND A DECISION ON THESE THINGS.
FROM A SCHOOL PERSPECTIVE WE CAN'T ADDRESS THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION WITH THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN HEADSTONE.
I KNEW THIS BACK WHEN IT WAS BUILT AND THOSE KIDS WEREN'T GOING TO READ IT.
I HAD TO GET KID AT FIRST GO HIGH SO I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION.
NOTHING WE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT.
WHY DO YOU WANT TO DO IS ASKED JOEL, IF YOU CAN COME UP AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THE IMPACT OF 60 TOWN HOMES WILL HAVE VERSUS 10 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC.
JOEL IS A HEAD TRAFFIC ENGINEER HERE SO.
>> BEFORE JOEL RESPONSE, ONE THING I DO WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH ALL DEVELOPMENT CASES AND ZONA CASES WE DO FOR THAT SUBMITTED CASES TO THEM FOR THEIR COMMENTS AND WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THIS CASE.
WE DO THAT ON ALL PROJECTS AND WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
>> IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC GENERATED BY SINGLE-FAMILY A RESIDENTIAL AREA, WHETHER IT BE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED OR WHETHER IT'S TOWN HOMES THAT THEY BOTH GENERATE THE SAME NUMBER OF TRAFFIC, BUT IT'S PER UNIT SO THE FORMULAS WE USE ADD UP THE NUMBER OF UNITS OF HOMES AND THEN THERE'S ASSUMES A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TRIPS PER DAY BASED ON THE NUMBER OF HOMES AND THIS SPECIFIC TYPE OF HOME, ONE TOWN HOME DOESN'T GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC THAN ONE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME BUT THERE ARE MORE HOMES IN THAT AREA, SO IT WOULD GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THAT LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM 60 HOMES VERSUS 10 FOR SURE.
BUT THE ARTERIAL SYSTEM IS DESIGNED, PRETTY MUCH HAVE AN ARTERIAL SYSTEM WITH ABOUT ONE MILE SPACING IS DESIGNED WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT EVERY PIECE OF LAND IS DEVELOPED WILL HAVE SOME PROPERTY ON IT THAT'S DEVELOPED THAT GENERATES TRAFFIC SO THE ARTERIAL SYSTEM LIKE STONE BROKEN LEGACY, AND SO FORTH, ARE INTENDED TO CARRY THE TRAFFIC OF ALL THE LAND DEVELOPING AND SO THAT SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM, THEY CAN HANDLE THAT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC FOR NO PROBLEMS.
>> THIS HAS TWO ENTRANCES CORRECT.
>> ONE ARMY AND ONE ON [INAUDIBLE].
>> THAT WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING BACKING UP.
WHAT ABOUT, AND SOMEBODY MENTIONED PARKING ON 4TH ARMY?
>> NO WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS SO THESE STREETS, LIKE TOWN HOME STREETS ARE JUST LIKE THE STREETS IN FRONT OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED IS THAT PEOPLE PARK ON THE STREET AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD DOES HAVE A COUPLE OF NEW STREETS, WHICH MEANS THAT THE HOME FACES OPEN SPACE AND THE HOME BACKS TO A WIDER ALLEY AND IN THOSE CASES, WE LOOK AT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME NEARBY PARKING ON THE STREET AND IF NOT, THEN WE'LL HAVE THEM OUT A COUPLE OF PICKUP PARKING SPACES IN THE MULES ITSELF AND THIS ONE DOES HAVE SOME PARKING SPACES ADDED TO THE MUSE WHEN SOME OF THE UNITS WERE A LITTLE TOO FAR FROM WHERE WE THOUGHT IT WAS CONVENIENT FOR SOMEONE TO WALK FROM AN ADJACENT STREET.
BUT WE DO LOOK AT THE PARKING TO MAKE SURE IT HAS ADEQUATE PARKING SO NO ONE SHOULD NEED TO PARK ON 4TH ARMY AND WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T ALLOW PARKING ON 4TH ARMY ANYWAY IN THAT CASE, BUT WE DON'T THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN BECAUSE WE DO MAKE SURE IT HAS ENOUGH PARKING.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. JONATHAN, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? I'M JUST GOING THROUGH MY LIST HERE IN TERMS OF THE TOWN HOMES FRONTING ED STONE, ARE THE BACK OF THE TOWN HOMES FACING THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE FRONT OF THE TOWN HOMES FACING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BECAUSE WE INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED IT ONE WAY DIDN'T WE?
>> CORRECT THE FRONT OF THE TOWN HOMES ARE FACING EDGEWOOD.
>> THEY WOULD EITHER BE LOOKING AT, CAN YOU GO BACK.
>> HERE WE GO SO YOU HAVE THE BACKS OF AND THEN A SHORT SIDE OF EDGE TOWN COMMUNITY AND THEN THESE ARE THE FRONTS.
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>> SO ACTUALLY RIGHT HERE IS, LET ME CHANGE THE COLOR AND I'M SORRY.
RIGHT HERE IS OPEN SPACE AND THEN WE HAVE AN AMENITY AREA HERE.
>> YES I MEAN, ALL OF THIS AREA IS TO CHANGE THE COLOR.
ALL OF THIS HAS OPEN SPACE HERE.
>> THERE'S A BUFFER AREA BETWEEN TOWN HOMES AND THEN THE CREEK?
>> THE CREEK IS BEING DEVELOPED ON THE OTHER SIDE BY ED'S.
>> CORRECT. PER PD 245, WHICH IS WHAT THEY DEVELOPED EDGE TOWN AS UNDER THEY HAVE EXHIBITS THAT SHOW THIS IS EDGE TOWN OPEN SPACE TODAY.
SO ALL OF THIS IS BEST DEVELOPMENTS OPEN SPACE SO THERE IS A LARGE BUFFER BETWEEN THE PROPOSED TOWN HOMES ON THE BACKS OF THESE EDGE TOWN LOTS.
>> BUT YET, I WENT THROUGH IT CLEARLY.
IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THERE'S A LOT RIGHT HERE BACKING UP INTO THEY WON'T BE LOOKING AFTER THIS BECAUSE IT BACKYARD IS BACKING UP TO THE FRONT OF THE TOWN HOMES BUT YET.
WHOEVER BOUGHT THAT LOT WILL BE RIGHT NEXT TO A TOWN HOME COMMUNITY OR AN EMPTY PIECE OF LAND OR A CHURCH OR.
>> OBVIOUSLY IF THAT'S EVEN A LOT AND DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S APPLIED THE LAW.
>> THEN YOU GOT ONE RIGHT HERE. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS AROUND CREEK TRASH, AND THIS IS NOT FOR YOU, JONATHAN, I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER.
I DO BELIEVE THAT WHATEVER GETS DEVELOPED HERE HAS TO ADDRESS THE CREEK IN A WAY THAT MAKES IT A NICE AMENITY.
I THINK DOING NOTHING, THIS COULD SIT HERE FOR A LONG TIME WITHOUT A PLAN AND THAT MAY BE OKAY.
IT JUST COMES DOWN TO BEST USE.
I THINK THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS I HAVE AT THIS POINT.
I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP. YOU WANT TO GO TO NEXT COMMISSIONER BOX?
>> YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I ALSO WANT TO ITERATE.
I WILL TELL YOU THERE'S SOME NIGHTS THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE HERE, SO WE FEEL LIKE IT'S NICE TO HAVE SOMEBODY HERE AND ALSO TO VOICE YOUR OPINIONS.
I SAT IN YOUR SEAT BEFORE I SAT UP HERE.
I'VE LIVED IN FRISCO FOR 15 YEARS. THAT'S WHAT ALL OF US ARE.
WE ARE RESIDENTS VOLUNTEERING OUR TIME TO TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING JUST AS CHAIRMAN COX WAS MENTIONING.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT REGARDING HOA.
THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE, WILL THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE ACCESS TO THE EDGESTONE HOA AMENITIES OR WILL THEY BE SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM EDGESTONE AND NOT BE ABLE TO ACCESS? WHAT'S THE DESIGN IF THIS WOULD GO THROUGH?
>> SURE, THE ONLY CONNECTION THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS TO EDGESTONE IS THE FACT THAT THE PROPERTY THAT WE'D LIKE TO DEVELOP ON IS PART OF THE EXISTING PD OF EDGESTONE.
OUR COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE ITS OWN SEPARATE HOA, PAY ITS OWN SEPARATE DUES, AND NOT HAVE ANY ACCESS TO ANYTHING WITHIN THE EDGESTONE COMMUNITY.
IT'S AS IF THE OTHER SIDE OF 4TH ARMY ISN'T PART OF THIS EITHER.
>> GREAT. THANK YOU. THIS IS NOT FOR YOU.
A COMMENT WAS MADE, SO I'VE ALSO BEEN ON THE HOA FOR WAY TOO MANY YEARS.
THOSE OF YOU WHO OBSERVED CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT AROUND THE POOL AREA IS NOT WORKING, THEY'RE OPEN, AS JOHN LITTLER SAID, CONTACT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IF THERE'S A GATE OPEN ANYTIME.
I WOULD ALSO SAY CONTACT THE NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
UNFORTUNATELY, I WOULD KNOW THAT BY HEART.
>> YES. YOU CAN REPORT ON THE MY FIRST GO APP, BUT YOU CAN CALL THAT NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER AND THEY WILL RESPOND APPROPRIATELY BECAUSE THAT IS A SAFETY ISSUE FOR CHILDREN AND ADULTS AS WELL.
AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING FOR US.
THOSE ARE IN YOUR HOA DOCUMENTS AND AN ITEM THAT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON,
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YOU SHOULD SEEK LEGAL REPRESENTATION.I'M NOT RECOMMENDING LEGAL REPRESENTATION UP FROM HERE, BUT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO LOOK.
THAT IS NOT A CITY ISSUE, SO I'M NOT MAKING A LEGAL RECOMMENDATION.
AS I SAID, THAT'S THE REASON WE PUT THE SIGNS OUT, SO I'M GLAD THEY WORKED AND GLAD YOU'RE HERE, AS WELL AS OTHER NEIGHBORS MADE COMMENTS APPROPRIATELY.
I'M SORRY, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AROUND.
I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT TRYING TO HAVE YOU PLAY WHACK-A-MOLE, UP-AND-DOWN.
JOEL MENTIONED PART OF THIS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THIS IN THE WORK SESSION.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN PARKING? I LIVE IN ONE OF THESE HOMES AND I HAVE PEOPLE COME VISIT ME.
WHERE WOULD THEY PARK? HOW WOULD THAT WORK? IF THREE OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE FRIENDS OVER, HOW AND WHERE ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE PARKING?
IT WORKS VERY SIMILAR TO SINGLE-FAMILY COMMUNITY WITH DRIVEWAYS IN FRONT, YOU'RE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE HOME.
ALONG THE STREET, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF HOMES, A LOT OF STREET WHERE THERE'S EITHER SINGLE LOADED OR ZERO LOADED STREETS, SO THAT'S PARKING THAT'S AVAILABLE TO ANY VISITORS.
THEN IF YOU LOOK ON THE MUSE LOTS, I THINK WHEN WE FIRST SHOWED THIS TO YOU, BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATION, I THINK WE HAD EITHER TWO OR FOUR PARKING STALLS.
WE ADDED ADDITIONAL PARKING STALLS AFTER OUR WORK SESSION WITH YOU ALL THAT'S INCLUDED IN THERE.
THEN IN ADDITION, EACH TOWN HOME HAS A GARAGE THAT HOLDS TWO CARS.
IN AN IDEAL WORLD, THE OWNERS PARK THEIR CARS INSIDE THE GARAGE AND THEN VISITORS USE THE STREET PARKING.
>> I APPRECIATE IT. I'M A VISUAL LEARNER.
JONATHAN, DO YOU MIND HELPING CIRCLE? I SEE THE STREET THAT HAS TREES ON EITHER SIDE, THAT WOULD BE LIKE A REGULAR WIDTH CITY STREET.
>> SO MUCH LIKE CARS PARKED IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE TODAY.
WHAT ABOUT TO THE EAST OF THAT, IN-BETWEEN THE SHORTER RUN? IS THAT THE SAME WIDTH OR IS THAT NOT AS WIDE STREET?
>> THAT IS NOT AS WIDE, THAT'S A MUSE STREET.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE ADDED THE SIX PARKING STALLS THAT YOU SEE, IT'S COVERED UP RIGHT NOW.
>> YES, GENERALLY RIGHT THERE.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN DO THIS, WE ALSO HAVE ALL OF THIS AREA RIGHT HERE THAT HAS PARKING FOR THE MUSE LOTS.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE ANSWER.
>> JUST FOR A RECORD, FRISCO HAS A REPUTATION OVER PARKING DEVELOPMENTS.
[LAUGHTER] MORE PARKING THAT SOME PEOPLE NEED.
>> I'LL DEFER TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER CONE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO NEXT?
[NOISE] THIS IS REALLY TOUGH, BUT BIGGEST CONCERN OBVIOUSLY IS GOING TO BE THE LOCATION OF THIS.
IF THIS WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE AND THIS WAS ON LEGACY AND STONE BROOKE, I THINK IT'D BE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION AND A DIFFERENT STORY.
MY BIGGEST CONCERNS OBVIOUSLY ARE THE INCREASE FROM 10-60.
MY SECOND BIGGEST CONCERN WOULD BE THE TIMING OF THIS, IT'S COMING ALONG AFTER SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE HAVE BOUGHT IN THERE THINKING THAT THERE WAS A CERTAIN PLAN IN MIND, AND THINGS DO CHANGE.
LIKE I SAID, IF THIS WAS ON THE OTHER CORNER, IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT STORY.
>> BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE AMOUNT OF DENSITY OR, FOR TRAFFIC FOLKS SAY THAT IT'S OKAY, ON STONE BROOKE AND 4TH ARMY THEN IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY.
BUT 4TH ARMY IS NOT AS WIDE AS LEGACY, IT'S NOT A THOROUGHFARE.
THAT CONCERNS ME QUITE A BIT HAVING THIS MANY RESIDENTS ALONG 4TH ARMY, EVEN IF IT'S NOT GOING TO STILL SIGNIFICANTLY BE A PROBLEM.
STILL THERE'S A PERCEPTION OF IT FOR SURE GOING FROM 10 TO 60.
THE LOCATION IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN.
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I KNOW WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LAND STAYING EMPTY FOR AWHILE LIKE THE CREEK AND ALL THOSE OTHER ISSUES, BUT SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS.A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED AS FAR AS THE INCREASE IN STUDENTS FOR THE SCHOOLS, I DON'T SEE THAT HAVING A SERIOUS IMPACT.
I DON'T SEE THE HOME VALUES GOING DOWN FROM HAVING HIGH END TOWN HOMES NEXT DOOR.
I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS, AND I'VE SAT OUT THERE MYSELF AND HAD SIMILAR CONCERNS.
BUT JUST BECAUSE I DON'T SHARE THOSE, I DON'T THINK THOSE CONCERNS OR THOSE IMPACTS ARE GOING TO BE AS BAD AS MAYBE SOME OF THE RESIDENTS BELIEVE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE CHANGE THAT WE SHOULD MAKE HERE.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
[NOISE] JUST TO REITERATE WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE HOA MAINTAINING THE LAWNS, THE OUTSIDE, THE EXTERIOR.
CAN YOU SPEAK ON AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE IS OF THE OVERALL EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDINGS, PAINT, GUTTERS, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE ON THE EXTERIOR, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS THE INDIVIDUAL TOWN HOMEOWNER RESPONSIBILITY AND HOW MUCH SHOULD BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA? [NOISE]
>> BRUNO PASQUINELLI, SO GENERALLY, THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND MYSELF WOULD WORK ON A MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE FOR THE COMMUNITY, SO IT WOULD GO FROM THE WEEKLY THINGS WHICH ARE MORE ON THE LAWNS, CLEANING THE TRASH OUT OF OUR SIDE OF THE CREEK, THAT TYPE OF THING TO THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN QUARTERLY, WHICH COULD BE FERTILIZATION, PEST CONTROL, THOSE THINGS AND THEN YOU WOULD GET INTO YEARLY THINGS.
YOU NEED TO INSPECT THE BUILDINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS AND I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS, IT COULD BE A TWO-YEAR, THREE-YEAR SCHEDULE.
YOU WANT TO CHECK THE BRICK WORK FOR TOC POINTING.
YOU WANT TO CHECK THE FLASHING OF THE BUILDINGS, YOU GOT TO CHECK THE WINDOW CLOCKING, ETC.
AGAIN, I BELIEVE A WELL-FUNDED, WELL-THOUGHT-OUT HOA WILL LOOK BETTER IN THE LONG RUN THAN AN DETACHED NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN AN UNDERFUNDED HOA, SO IT'S GOT TO BE DONE PROFESSIONALLY AND WITH A LOT OF THOUGHTS, SO THE SCHEDULES WOULD INCLUDE THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDINGS FOR THEIR LONG-TERM LONGEVITY.
DOOR SEALS ON THE FRONT DOORS PREDOMINANTLY, I THINK 90 PLUS PERCENT OF THAT IS DONE BY THE HOA.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME THINGS LIKE CLEANING, AIR CONDITIONING FINS OR SOMETHING THAT COMPRESSORS MIGHT BE [NOISE] THE RESONANCE RESPONSIBILITY, BUT THE MAINTENANCE OF PAINT CAULK, FLASHING, THAT THING IS DRIVEN BY THE HOA.
>> FOLLOW-ON QUESTIONS AS THESE BUILDINGS AGE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE EXISTING RESIDENTS HAVE A SERIOUS CONCERN.
ABOUT WHAT THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AS THESE AGE AND THEY BECOME 20 YEARS OLD AND 30 YEARS OLD AND ALL OF THAT AND THINGS NEED TO BE REPLACED.
WHETHER IT BE A ROOF FROM STORM DAMAGE OR AGE OR EXTERIOR SHUTTERS ARE JUST THE GENERAL UPKEEP THAT'D BE NEEDED ON A 30-YEAR-OLD TOWN HOME.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO JUST REMIND US HOW MUCH OF THAT WOULD BE COVERED BY?
>> SURE, YEAH, HAIL IN TEXAS IS PRETTY CRAZY, SO I'VE REPLACED MORE THAN A FEW ROOFS BECAUSE OF THE HAIL DAMAGE, BACK TO THE BUDGET PROCESS.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO A RESERVE STUDY WHEN YOU START THE COMMUNITY, YOU LOOK AT THE USEFUL LIFE OF A ROOF, IT COSTS SO MUCH TO REPLACE IT, IT HAS A USEFUL LIFE OF 20 YEARS.
YOU DO THE MATH THAT PORTION OF THE MONEY TO HIT THAT GOAL IN 20 YEARS GETS ADDED TO THEIR DOSE.
HEY, WE HAVE TO REPAINT ANY CITING THAT MAY EXIST ON THE BUILDING EVERY FIVE-YEARS.
AGAIN, I'M NOT AN EXPERT AT THIS, BUT I KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO REPAINT THAT BUILDING IN FIVE YEARS IS GOING TO COST THIS MUCH MONEY, SO THIS MANY HOMES, WE GOT TO RESERVE THIS MUCH MONEY FROM EVERY DUES PAYMENTS, SO ON FIVE-YEARS WE CAN REPAINT THE BUILDING.
YOU DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE TO DO ASSESSMENTS, YOU WANT THE HOA ON THEIR BALANCE SHEET, THEY HAVE RESERVES.
THE BOARD SAYS TIME TO DO IT, THE MONEY'S THEY HIRE THE CONSULTANTS,
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THE VENDORS AND THEY'D COME AND THEY PERFORM MAINTENANCE.>> I HAVE A QUESTION. NO, I DID HAVE A FOLLOW FOR JOHN REAL QUICK AND YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING.
>> JOHN. THE BUILDING REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE ON THESE TOWN HOMES WITH IN TERMS OF BRICK IN MASONRY COMPONENTS IS AT 80-20.
WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT HERE, FOR EXAMPLE, I BELIEVE ARE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES HAVE A PRETTY STRINGENT REQUIREMENT?
>> WELL, SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, THERE'S 100 PERCENT ON THE GROUND FLOOR 50 PERCENT ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
THEY HAVE INCLUDED ELEVATIONS THAT'S GOING BEYOND BUT I'LL DO WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT, I MEAN EVERYTHING BUT MR. PASQUARELLI HAS SAID ABOUT HOA IN REFERENCE TO STEVE'S QUESTION, THAT'S STRICTLY A PRIVATE MATTER.
THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT.
[NOISE] WE DON'T ENFORCE HOA REQUIREMENTS, WE ONLY ENFORCE THE CITY ORDINANCES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
>> THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING ON THAT, GOOD POINT.
THERE IS RISK ASSOCIATED, AS THE AFRICAN SAID, IF IT'S A GOOD HOA AND WELL-FUNDED, THEN THINGS COULD LOOK BETTER THAN INDIVIDUALLY OWNED NEIGHBORHOOD OR STATE.
THAT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN A SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, EXACTLY.
YEAH, SO I DON'T THINK THAT THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANY NEGATIVE TO IT VERSUS THE SINGLE-FAMILY NEXT DOOR TO IT.
I GUESS I'M TRYING TO SAY THAT THEY'RE SIMILAR RISK IN SOMEWHAT SIMILAR OUTCOMES.
OVERALL, I HAVEN'T LIKED THIS CHANGE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE RESIDENTS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, THE FIRST TIME I SAW THIS, I'M STILL HAVING A SERIOUS PROBLEM GETTING AROUND ADDING THIS MANY UNITS TO THIS LOCATION.
MY CONCERNS STILL REMAIN THE SAME ABOUT HAVING THIS MANY RESIDENTS COME OUT AND SPEAK REALLY DOES MATTER.
THIS MANY THAT REPLIED, THIS MAY COME OUT REALLY DOES MATTER AND I THINK THE TIMING OF THIS AFTER THEY'VE BOUGHT INTO IT, IT'S TOUGH WHEN YOU HAVE INFO LIKE THIS AND THESE THINGS HAPPEN, BUT I'M STILL HAVING A REAL SERIOUS PROBLEM SUPPORTING THIS.
>> THESE ARE ACTUALLY THE TOUGHEST CASES.
COMMISSIONER KELLY, [NOISE] COMMENTS.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS COMING OUT AND I DO LISTEN CLEARLY THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE VERY MUCH NOTICE OR YOU WEREN'T NOTICED AND SO I HAVE A FEELING THAT YOU REALLY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THESE PRODUCTS WILL LOOK LIKE.
BUT GOING BACK TO WHAT CHAIRMAN COX SAID, THE PEOPLE UP HERE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE LAST NOVEMBER WITH THE STAFF.
THIS IS NOT THE FIRST PLAN WE SAW, THIS IS PROBABLY THE THIRD OR FOURTH ITERATION I THINK, THERE'S A LOT LESS DENSITY HERE THAN IT WAS INITIALLY.
IT DEALS WITH WHAT DO YOU DO WITH A TRIANGULAR PIECE OF LAND? AGAIN, CHAIRMAN COX SAID, THIS COULD BE A CHURCH, IT COULD BE AN OPEN FIELD AND SO WE LOOKED AT THIS AND WORK THIS PROBLEM HARD.
I WOULD TELL YOU THAT IF IT GETS APPROVED TONIGHT, IT'LL HAVE TO GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TO BE APPROVED AND YOU'LL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO STUDY THE FACADES, TO STUDY THE DESIGN, TO UNDERSTAND THE PRODUCT THAT'S GOING TO BE ADJACENT TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOPEFULLY GET A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THIS IS.
THERE ARE OTHER AREAS IN FRESCO THAT I'M AWARE OF WHERE TOWN HOMES ARE BEING BUILT ADJACENT TO HOMES THAT ARE OVER 2 MILLION DOLLARS FOR AS A MATTER OF FACT.
THIS IS A PRODUCT THAT'S NEEDED IN FRESCO, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT'S BETTER OFF THAN APARTMENTS FOR SURE AND IT BRINGS A QUALITY OF PERSON TO THE CITY THAT WE THINK IS A HIGH PROFESSIONAL THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF IMPACT ON SCHOOLS OR SERVICES.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS, BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU GET TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS, YOU MIGHT GET A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING EXTRA TO ADD.
I WILL SAY AS MUCH AS WE APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC COMING OUT AND THE RESIDENTS COMING OUT SPEAKING THEIR OPINIONS ON THIS, I ALSO APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER AND THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S WORKED WITH A SO HARD OVER THE LAST YEAR TO TRY TO MAKE THIS AS GOOD AS IT COULD BE.
THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF ITERATIONS OF THIS THEY WORKED WITH US I'VE TAKEN ALL OF OUR INPUT, SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT TOO.
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IT'S A TOUGH SITUATION AND WE'LL JUST HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT AND MOVE ON THE CYCLE WE WANT TO DO WHEN COUNCIL TAKE CARE OF THE NEXT STEP.>> COMMISSIONERS, ANY FINAL COMMENTS, DO WE WANT TO.
I THINK I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW HOW THIS ONE'S GOING TO GO, USUALLY I DO.
>> I DO HAVE A FINAL COMMENT THAT I MEANT TO SAY EARLIER WHEN THE APPLICANT WAS UP HERE.
BUT IT'S NOT A QUESTION BUT JUST MORE OF A COMMENT THAT, WHAT I DID SAY WAS ABOUT HAVING THIS MANY NEIGHBORS AND THIS MANY THE ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THE APPLICANT I WOULD SAY.
FOR ME TO SUPPORT THIS, I WOULD REALLY NEED A LOT MORE NEIGHBORHOOD BY IN.
WE'VE HAD REALLY TOUGH CASES COME BEFORE US BEFORE AND SOME OF THOSE CASES HAVE DRAGGED ON A LONG TIME AND THERE WAS A LOT OF MEETINGS WITH A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS AND SOME OF THEM SURPRISINGLY AFTER MAYBE A YEAR OR TWO CAME BACK WITH NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT, AND SO FOR ME TO SUPPORT THIS BIG OF A CHANGE IN THIS AREA, I'D HAVE TO SEE A LOT MORE INTERACTION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE APPLICANT AND MORE.
SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS SAID EXPLAINING THINGS TO THEM AND MORE DIALOGUE AND COMMUNICATING, JUST MORE NEIGHBORHOOD INTERACTION AND SUPPORT BEFORE I CAN SUPPORT THIS.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT AND AS COMMISSIONER CONE SAID I'M STRUGGLING WITH A 10 TO 60.
I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS IS A HARD PIECE OF PROPERTY THOUGH AND WE DON'T WANT IT SITTING THERE BECAUSE THERE'S MORE DAMAGE POTENTIALLY TO YOUR HOME VALUES IF IT SITS THERE AND DRAGS IN TRASH ETC, FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
THERE ARE ALREADY COMMENTS AROUND OTHER THINGS HAPPENING AROUND THIS AREA.
PARKING IS A REAL ISSUE, AND I KNOW IT MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS BUT THIS IS IN A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, SO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT EVEN DEEPER.
I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT CHRISTMAS TIME AND WHEN FAMILIES COME, I MEAN JUST AT THIS ONE AREA THERE 1,2,3,4,5, THERE ARE NINE HOMES ON THE RIGHT SIDE, NOT THE BOTTOM-RIGHT BUT NEXT TO THE PARK.
TWO CARS BY NINE THAT'S 18 CARS THAT STREET CAN'T HOLD IT.
I KNOW THEIR AREAS IN THIS CITY THAT MANAGE THIS, I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS RIGHT, RIGHT HERE IN THIS FORM, I THINK THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO DESIGN THIS, DEVELOPER I KNOW WE TALKED WITH YOU NUMBER OF TIMES STAFF SPENT MONTHS WITH YOU, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS, I'M STRUGGLING.
>> ALL RIGHT, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO TAKE MOTION.
>> YES I MOVE TO DENY ITEM NUMBER 23 AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.
>> ALL RIGHT, SO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO DENY BY COMMISSIONER CONE.
>> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOX.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DENYING.
BECAUSE IT WAS A DENIAL MOTION, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION IN THE AFFIRMATIVE THAT TIES FOR A TIEBREAKER OR?
>> NO, PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
SO ON A TWO, TWO YOU NEED TO MAKE A DECISION IF YOU SUPPORT THE MOTION OR NOT
>> SO SIX YEARS FIRST TIEBREAKER I GET TO MAKE, SO I THINK IN TERMS OF.
>> LET ME ADD THIS, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU VOTE, IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE MOTION THEN THERE NEEDS BE A SECOND MOTION FOR APPROVAL, SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE IF YOU DENY THE MOTION THEN THAT MOTION FAILS.
>> OKAY I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE DENIAL, SO THAT BREAKS THE DENIAL THREE, TWO, SO CAN WE HAVE A SECOND MOTION?
>> MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 23 SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT SUBMISSION AT THE STANDARDS.
>> SECOND. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN IS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
>> SO WE HAVE A TWO, TWO TIE ON MOTION IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
SO LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE DENIAL, I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE VOTED IN REPRESENTATIVES THAT SHOULD MAKE THIS DECISION SO I AM GOING TO VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, SO IT CAN GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND YOUR CITY REPRESENTATIVES CAN MAKE A DECISION ON THIS WITH A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THAT'S AN AYE FOR ME AND THAT MAKES THIS MOTION PASSED THREE, TWO AND WE'LL GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
FOR THOSE TWO THAT VOTE IN DENIAL CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR REASONS WHY?
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>> SURE. JUST GOING FROM 10 TO 60 THE INCREASED DENSITY IS JUST A LOT, AND THE PARKING I JUST DON'T THINK THE PARKING SUPPORTS THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
I WOULD SAY WITH THIS MOVING THE CITY COUNCIL, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO MEET WITH MEMBERS OF COUNCIL OUTSIDE THE COUNCIL MEETING, OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE VERY OPEN TO MEETING OUTSIDE THE COUNCIL AND BE GREAT TO MEET WITH THEM NOT 60 MEETINGS BUT PULL SOME GROUPS TOGETHER AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT.
>> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY ADVICE AS WELL BUT, COMMISSIONER CONE?
>> YEAH. VOTED TO DENY BECAUSE THIS IS TOO BIG OF A CHANGE FOR THIS CORNER INCLUDING THE CONCERN ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL PARKING NEEDED AND ALSO THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO DO MORE TO GET MORE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT.
THANK ALL OF YOU ALL FOR YOUR INPUT, SO THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM.
>> SO LET ME JUST ADD THIS SO THIS WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR COUNSEL ON APRIL THE 19TH.
>> IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON HOW TO REACH YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, MEET WITH US AFTERWARDS WE'LL POINT YOU TO THE WEBSITE AND APPROPRIATE.
ITEM 24, RESULTS OF THE MARCH 15,
[24. Results of the March 15, 2022, City Council meeting.]
2022 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.COMMISSIONERS DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THESE MINUTES?
>> DO WE NEED TO GET OUR OTHER MEMBER BACK IN? [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO, NO, HE'S STILL AROUND SO HOLD ON.
>> IS COMMISSIONER KENDALL HERE? [BACKGROUND] [NOISE] SO COMMISSIONER KENDALL ITEM 24 RESULTS OF THE MARCH 15, 2022 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
>> ANY QUESTIONS? NO. ITEM 25 SCHEDULE A FUTURE DISCUSSION ITEMS.
[25. Schedule of future discussion items.]
ANYTHING FOR STAFF? [NOISE] THAT LEAVES AS A ONE THING, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.>> SO MOVED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOX.
>> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES FIVE, ZERO.
WE ARE ADJOURNED. [NOISE] [BACKGROUND].
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.