[00:00:02] GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING, THE FRISCO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, [CALL TO ORDER] WE'RE GATHERED AT 6101 FRISCO SQUARE BOULEVARD IN THE TIME OF 6:30 P.M. THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION CONSISTS OF FRISCO RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT COMMISSIONERS PRESENT ARE COMMISSIONER CONE, COMMISSIONER KENDALL, COMMISSIONER BOX, OUR VICE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER COLBERG, OUR SECRETARY, MR. KELLY AND COMMISSIONER MORGAN. I'M ROB COX. I'M YOUR CHAIR FOR THIS EVENING. REPRESENTING STAFF THIS EVENING FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. WE HAVE JOHN LETTELLIER, SUZANNE PORTER, CINDY JACKSON ALEJANDRO RUSSELL. DID I GET THAT RIGHT? ALEJANDRO, YEAH. THANK YOU. MATTHEW BARRERA AND [INAUDIBLE]. IN ENGINEERING. WE HAVE JOEL FITTS AND TOYIN FAWEHINMI. FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE JOHN GILLETTE AND ELIZABETH BARSTOW, AND FROM LEGAL THIS EVENING WE HAVE RICHARD ABERNATHY. WELCOME, RICHARD. THANK YOU. GOOD TO BE HERE. GOOD TO SEE YOU NOT A TIE. I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT I WAS TRYING TO FIT IN. EXCELLENT. SO TONIGHT, THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS CITIZEN INPUT. IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION REGARDING ANY ITEMS THAT ARE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, YOU MAY DO SO AT THIS TIME. PLEASE COMPLETE A BLUE SPEAKER CARD AND APPROACH THE PODIUM. PRIOR TO YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. OUR MEETINGS ARE RECORDED, SO PLEASE SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE. PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION, NOT TO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE OR ANY APPLICANTS PRESENT THIS EVENING. TO ENSURE THERE'S ENOUGH TIME FOR ALL TO SPEAK. PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES UNLESS YOU MUST ADDRESS THE THE COMMISSION THROUGH A TRANSLATOR IN WHICH CASE YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM 10 MINUTES. PLEASE NOTE THE COMMISSION CANNOT DISCUSS OR TAKE SPECIFIC ACTION DURING CITIZEN INPUT OR ON ITEMS NOT ON THE POST AGENDA, EXCEPT TO PROVIDE A STATEMENT IN SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY. TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY, OR TO INDICATE THAT THE MATTER MAY BE PLACED ON A LATER AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING CITIZEN INPUT? OK, THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] ITEM TO CONSIDER IT AN ACT UPON APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL WORK SESSION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON MEETING ON JANUARY 25TH, 2022. COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR A MOTION ON ITEM TWO? SORRY. MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE SPECIAL WORK SESSION OF JANUARY 25TH, 2022. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOX. ALL THOSE IN APPROVAL? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0. ITEM THREE, CONSIDER AN ACT UPON APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ON FEBRUARY 8TH, 2022. COMMISSIONERS, WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR SET OF MINUTES? MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES SUBMITTED FOR THE FEBRUARY 8TH, 2022 MEETING. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0. ITEM THREE IS APPROVED. EXCELLENT. ON THE ON THE AGENDA NEXT IS OUR AGENDA ITEMS. [CONSENT AGENDA] THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF ROUTINE AND NON-CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS. ANY COMMISSION MEMBER MAKING SUCH REQUESTS PRIOR TO A MOTION AND VOTE ON THE CONSENT ITEMS MAY CONSIDER ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY. ANY MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS MAY DO SO WITH MAJORITY APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSION. I THINK WE HAVE ITEMS 4-15 THIS EVENING. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY THAT NEED TO BE PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? EXCELLENT. DO I HAVE A MOTION ON ITEMS 4-15? MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS 4-15. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOX. ALL OF US IN FAVOR. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. ITEMS 4-15 ARE NOW APPROVED. CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS. TONIGHT WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS ON OUR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE AGENDA AND I WANT TO REVIEW THE [16. Public Hearing - Replat & Conveyance Plat: Four Corners Shopping Center, Block A, Lots 13, 16, & 17 (RP22-0001)] PROCESS. THESE PUBLIC HEARING IS PRECEDED BY A STAFF INTRODUCTION OF THE REQUEST. THE APPLICANT IS THEN PERMITTED 10 MINUTES TO MAKE HIS OR HER PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION FOLLOWING QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT BY THE COMMISSION. THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ARE WELCOME TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. ALL SPEAKERS, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT, NEED TO COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD AND PROVIDE AN ADMINISTRATIVE SYSTEM. IF THERE ARE ORGANIZED GROUPS IN ATTENDANCE, WE SUGGEST THAT YOU SELECT REPRESENTATIVES TO PRESENT YOUR POSITIONS. PLEASE AVOID REPEATING WHAT HAS BEEN STATED BY PREVIOUS SPEAKERS OTHER THAN STATING THAT YOU AGREE WITH THEIR COMMENTS. THE TIME LIMIT IS FIVE MINUTES PER SPEAKER. TO ENSURE EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO COMMISSION MEMBERS CAN VOTE TO LIMIT SPEAKING TIME, IF A LARGE VOLUME PEOPLE ARE WISHING TO SPEAK. THAT WON'T HAPPEN TONIGHT. THERE'S NOT A LARGE VOLUME HERE TONIGHT. PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU ONLY HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. REPEAT APPEARANCES TO THE PODIUM ARE NOT PERMITTED. AFTER ALL PERSONS HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE CASE WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER TESTIMONY WILL BE PERMITTED UNLESS, LET ME GET THE RIGHT PAGE HERE, UNLESS THE CASE IS TABLED TO A FUTURE DATE IN THE COMMISSION INCLUDES IN [00:05:01] THE MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING INTO A FUTURE MEETING. AFTER CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. PLEASE NOTE THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ONLY MAKES A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING ZONING CASES UNLESS THE COMMISSION DENIES THE CASE AND THE APPLICANT DOES NOT APPEAL THE DENIAL. FINAL ACTION REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING BY THE CITY COUNCIL. YOU ARE ENCOURAGED TO CONTACT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF AS TO WHEN THE CASE WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 16 PUBLIC HEARING RE PLAT AND CONVEYANCE PLAT FOUR CORNERS SHOPPING CENTER BLOCK A, LOTS 13, 16 AND 17. RP-22-0001. OWNERS FSWC, LP. THANK YOU. OOPS, SORRY. THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPORT IS TO REVISE LOT LINES AND DEDICATE EASEMENTS NECESSARY FOR DEVELOPMENT. THE SITE IS ZONED PD-254 AND THE PLAT CONFORMS WITH EXHIBIT C OF PD-254. STAFF, THEREFORE, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. EXCELLENT, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WOULD THEY CARE TO SPEAK? DO I HAVE A A MOTION ON THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOX. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. SO ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM THIS EVENING. SEEING NONE, MOVE TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KENDALL. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM OR DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? GO AHEAD. MOVE TO PROVIDE-- I DIDN'T. I WILL START OVER. YOU MESSED ME UP. I KNOW ,IT'S MY FAULT. MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 16 AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOX. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0. ITEM 16 AS APPROVED. [17. Public Hearing - Replat: Crown Ridge, Phase 2, Block H, Lot 10 (RP22-0002)] ITEM 17 PUBLIC HEARING REPLAT AT CROWN RIDGE PHASE TWO, BLOCK H LOT 10, RP-22-0002, OWNERS JOSEPH AND AMANDA DE GRAZIA. THE PURPOSE OF THIS RE PLAT IS TO ABANDON A 10-FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT ALONG THE NORTHERN AND WESTERN PROPERTY LINE. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED LETTERS FROM THE FRANCHISE. UTILITIES WHO OFFER NO PROTEST TO THE REQUEST AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. EXCELLENT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND DO THEY CARE TO SPEAK? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES 6-0. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS REQUEST? SEEING NONE, MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED ON ITEM 17. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM OR DO I HAVE A MOTION ITEM ON ITEM 17. MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 17 AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0. ITEM 17 IS APPROVED. [18. Public Hearing - Specific Use Permit: Panther Creek Crossing, Block A, Lot 8 (SUP21-0011)] ITEM 18 PUBLIC HEARINGS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT PANTHER CREEK CROSSING BLOCK A ,LOT EIGHT SUP 21-0011. OWNERS [INAUDIBLE] VENTURES LLC. THANK YOU. THIS ITEM MUST BE REMOVED FROM THE TABLE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE THEM FROM THE TABLE? SO MOVED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0. THE ITEM IS REMOVED FROM THE TABLE. THANK YOU. WHERE'S MY EXHIBITS? THERE THEY GO. OK. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TABLED THIS REQUEST DURING THEIR JANUARY 25TH MEETING. THEY WANTED TO GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE THE CIRCULATION PLAN TO REFLECT THE ADDITIONAL 60 STUDENTS THAT WERE PROPOSED FOR THE SITE. SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED BY THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME HAD TO DO WITH CONFLICT BETWEEN THE DROP OFF AND PICK UP TIMES BETWEEN TRENT MIDDLE SCHOOL, WHICH IS ACROSS KALEIDA WAY FROM THE PROPOSED SCHOOL, AS WELL AS THE CIRCULATION OF THE OF THE DRAFT PICK UP AND DROP OFF, PROVIDING THAT THEY THERE'S NO BACKUP ALONG KALEIDA WAY OR PANTHER CREEK. SO THE APPLICANT HAS REVISED THE STUDY, AS NOTED IN YOUR PACKET. [00:10:01] IT WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AND ADDRESSED ALL COMMENTS. SPECIFICALLY, THERE THE MORNING SESSION FOR TRENT MIDDLE SCHOOL THERE, ALL OF THE STACKING FOR DROP OFF IS ON THE SCHOOL SITE AND DOES NOT BACK UP ONTO KALEIDA WAY. IF THEY DO, IT'S VERY MINIMAL AND WILL NOT CONFLICT WITH THE DROP OFF FOR THIS SCHOOL DURING THE AFTERNOON PICK UP. THERE IS SOME STACKING ALONG KALEIDA WAY, HOWEVER. KALEIDA CREEK, RATHER, HOWEVER, IT HAS IS CLEARED OUT BY FOUR O'CLOCK PM AND THE PICKUP FOR THE THE PROPOSED MONTESSORI SCHOOL DOESN'T START UNTIL FOUR 10 P.M., SO IT'S NOT ANTICIPATED TO BE A CONFLICT WITH THAT AS WELL. THE CIRCULATION PLAN, AS SHOWN IN THE IN THE REVISED STUDY. LET'S SEE. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT I PUT IT IN THERE, BUT THE CIRCULATION PLAN SHOWS THAT THE PEOPLE PICKING UP. LET'S SEE. WE'LL TRAVEL THIS WAY, ACTUALLY WE'LL BE DROPPING OFF AND PICKING UP WILL COME THIS WAY AND THEN COME TO THE FRONT THIS WAY, THERE WILL BE CONES HERE TO LIMIT ANYBODY FROM TURNING RIGHT INTO THAT ENTRANCE TO THE SCHOOL. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REVISED CIRCULATION PLAN AND HAS APPROVED IT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS SUP. WE HAVE REVISED THE THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. THE WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT IS ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY STUDENTS SEPARATED INTO GROUPS NOT TO EXCEED 80 CHILDREN PER GROUP. THE MORNING SESSION WILL OPERATE FROM 8:30 AM TILL 12 P.M. AND THE AFTERNOON SESSION WILL OPERATE FROM ONE P.M. TO 4:30 P.M. EACH CLASS SESSION SHALL BE LESS THAN FOUR HOURS IN DURATION PER CHILD PER DAY SO THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE CHILD IN TWO SESSIONS AND BE THERE ALL DAY. WE ARE REQUIRING COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVED CIRCULATION PLAN. THE SITE SHALL DEVELOP IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ATTACHED SITE PLAN. LANDSCAPING SHALL BE PER THE ATTACHED EXHIBIT AND BUILDING MATERIALS AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE ATTACHED FACADE PLAN, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAME TO AGREEMENT ON THE HOUR IN BETWEEN SESSIONS AND SETTING HOURS, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT IS THE REASON FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE IN THE RECOMMENDATION? SO THE CHILD CAN'T GO TO MORE THAN ONE SESSION IN A DAY? WHAT'S THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT? REASON FOR THAT IS THE REDUCTION IN OUTDOOR OPEN SPACE, SO THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT IF IT'S PROVIDED FOR FOUR HOURS OR LESS, YOU GET A REDUCTION IN THE OPEN SPACE. THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, AND IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE THAT YOU COULD FALL BACK ON. THAT'S RIGHT, BUT IT'S BECAUSE IT'S BY ORDINANCE, RIGHT? OK, I GOT IT. OK, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS TIME? TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, THANKS FOR WORKING THROUGH THIS AND THE APPLICANT AS WELL IS THE CIRCULATION PLAN. DOES THAT BECOME PART OF THE SOUP? AND IF THEY DEVIATE FROM THAT AT ALL, THEY MUST RESUBMIT FOR ANY CHANGE. THAT'S CORRECT. OK, GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN IN THIS, MAYBE A QUESTION FOR JOHN, BUT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCEMENT BACK TO THE ENFORCEMENT QUESTION BECAUSE THESE ARE DIFFICULT ITEMS TO ENFORCE UNLESS THERE'S A PROBLEM. IS THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT OR PD? WELL, IT'D BE CODE ENFORCEMENT. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE. BUT IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, WHAT CODE STAFF WILL DO IS LIKE INTERACT WITH JILL OR SOMEBODY FROM TRAFFIC. AND THEN BECAUSE ANY TIME YOU ISSUE A, LIKE, A CITATION, YOU GOT TO HAVE SOME NO ORDINANCE TO FALL BACK ON. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. ALL THESE STEPS FOR DAYCARES. WE ADOPT THE CIRCULATION PLAN AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE FOR THAT REASON. RIGHT. AND I LIED, I HAVE A THIRD ITEM IS, ONE THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, AND I WOULD ASK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER IS THIS IS BASED ON THESE TRENT MIDDLE SCHOOL TIMES [00:15:07] TODAY. IF TRENT MIDDLE SCHOOL DECIDES TO CHANGE THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION. I WOULD. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO RESUBMIT HOURS OF OPERATION FOR APPROVAL BY THE CITY. I THINK THAT'S A CONCERN THAT THEY IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CHANGES THEIR HOURS. OK, HOLD ON. OK. FOR THAT, IT WOULD BE PART OF YOUR MOTION, LIKE WITH THE NUMBER TWO ON THIS AS CINDY PRESENTED LIKE 8:30-12 AND ONE TO FOUR P.M. ALONG THE BOARDING. IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES TO THE TIME ZONE FOR THE TRENT MIDDLE SCHOOL, P & Z, THEY CAN EVALUATE SEE IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A PROVISION MADE TO THE SUP ORDINANCE. SO SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES AND THEN WE'LL TWEAK THAT AS IT GOES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T BRING THAT QUESTION, SO I COULD CLARIFY IT BETTER. WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AFTER WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU ALL TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION NOW. SO. ALL RIGHT. ANY COMMENTS, ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS POINT? IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND WOULD THEY CARE TO SPEAK? DO YOU HAVE A A MOTION OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 6-0. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. SO ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM THIS EVENING? SEEING NONE, MOVE TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KENDALL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. CHAIRMAN ROB? YES? MR. CHAIRMAN, WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? YEAH. WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND ASK THAT NOW? SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER ASKING THE APPLICANT IF THEY'RE WILLING TO AGREE TO THAT CONDITION BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND, THE COMMISSIONER'S CONCERN IS THAT THE SCHOOL OPERATING HOURS TODAY WORKED WELL WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, BUT IF THEY CHANGE IT, THEN IT MAY CREATE SOME ISSUES AND WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS A SAFETY ISSUE; RIGHT? CORRECT. A SAFETY AND A ALCOHOL SAFETY ISSUE. WHAT WAS THE SECOND THING? A SAFETY AND A WHAT? I WOULD CALL IT A SAFETY ISSUE. YES. OK. I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO IF YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE, I REQUEST THAT YOU ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY CAN, THEY'LL AGREE TO THAT ON THE RECORD. OK, WELL, LET'S FIND OUT FROM THE FROM. THANK YOU, RICHARD. LET'S FIND OUT FROM THE COMMISSION HERE, DID THEY CONSIDER THIS A CONCERN OR NOT CONCERN? I'M GOING TO START OFF WITH MY FIRST. JOEL, IF YOU COULD COME UP JUST FOR A SECOND. WE HAVE 80 STUDENTS IN THE MORNING, 80 STUDENTS IN THE EVENING. WHAT IS THE RISK LEVEL OF TRENT MIDDLE SCHOOL CHANGING THEIR HOURS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, IN SYNC WITH WHAT THE DISMISSAL TIME HERE IN THE AFTERNOON OR IN THE MORNING ENTRY TIME? WHAT IS THE RISK FOR A VEHICLE OR 80 CARS? FIRST, I'LL TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS SHIFTED THE TIMES OF THEIR SCHOOLS OCCASIONALLY, LIKE USUALLY TEN MINUTES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ELEMENTARY TIME, MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL, AND THEY USUALLY TRY TO KEEP THOSE SEPARATED SO THAT THEY CAN USE THE SAME NUMBER OF BUSSES TO SERVE EACH OF THOSE GROUPS. SO IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THEY WOULD SHIFT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL TO BE THE SAME AS HIGH SCHOOL, FOR EXAMPLE. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S A GREAT RISK OF THEM SWITCHING THE MIDDLE SCHOOL ENOUGH TO COINCIDE WITH THE TIME HERE, BUT IT IS A POTENTIAL POSSIBILITY. THE RISK OF THERE BEING THE TWO TRAFFIC FLOWS BEING A BIG ENOUGH PROBLEM IF THEY OCCURRED AT THE SAME TIME. IT'S HARD TO SAY BECAUSE WE OFTEN CAN'T, WE CAN'T ESTIMATE THE HIGH, THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS TRAFFIC AS WELL AS THIS ONE BECAUSE POPULATION FLUCTUATES IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF [00:20:03] PEOPLE ATTENDING AT ANY GIVEN TIME AND WHERE THEY'RE DRIVING TO AND FROM AND SO FORTH. SO IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT IT WILL. TO SAY THAT ABSOLUTELY WON'T EVER BE AN ISSUE. IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY BECAUSE IT CAN DIFFER FROM YEAR TO YEAR WHERE PEOPLE LIVE AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ATTENDING THE MIDDLE SCHOOL CHANGES. SO IT'S VERY HARD TO TO SAY, BUT IT IS A POSSIBILITY, BUT ONE THING I WILL SAY IS AT LEAST THIS SITE HAS MULTIPLE. IT'S PART OF A SHOPPING CENTER THAT HAS MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS, SO YOU KNOW, THEY COULD ENTER A DIFFERENT WAY AND NOT USE KALEIDA CREEK IF IT BECAME AN ISSUE. THAT'S ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER. THANK YOU, JOHN, FROM A SUP PERSPECTIVE, LET'S SAY THAT WE DIDN'T PUT ANY PROVISION IN AND THERE BECOMES A PROBLEM WITH THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION HERE. DO WE STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CALL THE SUP? ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE IT A CALL AND TO DO A CALL BECAUSE EITHER THE PROPERTY OWNER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL HAS STANDING TO TRIGGER A CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING. AS FAR AS MAKING CHANGES, I QUESTION, I MEAN, JOEL HAS REVIEWED A NUMBER OF THESE AND I CAN'T THINK OF, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE, THAT ONE DOWN ON OR WHERE'S. I THINK SPEARS ELEMENTARY IS, THEY GOT LIKE A DAYCARE, AND I THINK YOU HAD TO MAKE SOME REVISIONS TO THAT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, BASED ON HIS EXPERIENCE OF WORKING WITH THE DAYCARES, THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN TWEAKED. I MEAN, JUST LIKE WHAT JOEL AND HIS TEAM DOES WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHEN IT'S A NEW SCHOOL OPENING, USUALLY THEY'RE TWEAKING THINGS AFTER ABOUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS, THEY GET IT IN SYNC AND THEY DO THAT ABOUT EVERY START OVER EVERY SCHOOL YEAR OR SO. THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS AND WORKING THE KINKS OUT. MR. CHAIRMAN, MY CONCERN IS NOT A FIVE MINUTE CHANGE OR A 10 MINUTE CHANGE. MY CONCERN IS 10 YEARS FROM NOW. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT MAKES A DECISION TO FLIP FLOP HIGH SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL HOURS, WHICH COULD HAPPEN BECAUSE OUR POPULATION COULD CHANGE DRAMATICALLY AND THEN WE HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION OF THE SITE. IF I THINK WE MIGHT. MY QUESTION IS, DO WE ALREADY HAVE AN AVENUE FOR THAT? THAT'S REALLY MY QUESTION. DO WE HAVE AN AVENUE THAT SAYS WE CAN? WE CAN CALL THIS AN SUP AT ANY TIME. AND SO BY PUTTING GUARDRAILS IN OUR I MEAN, WE HAVE TO GET SO SPECIFIC, IS IT A 10 MINUTE CHANGE OR JUST A 20 MINUTE CHANGE? I THINK WE HAVE TO PUT IN. WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT IN SUCH SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS TO UNDERSTAND WHEN TO MAKE A CALL WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE THAT CAPABILITY, IN MY OPINION, BUT WE'RE APPROVING IT WITH THESE HOURS SPECIFIC. AND SO IF THEY WOULD CHANGE THESE HOURS, THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN VIOLATION OF THEIR SUP. I DON'T THINK THEY MAY NOT HAVE A PROBLEM, THEY MAY JUST LEAVE THE HOURS THE WAY THEY ARE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS BECAUSE IT MAY CAUSE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM. IF THE MIDDLE SCHOOL CHANGES THEIR HOURS, IT'S NOT THEM CHANGING THEIR HOURS. MIDDLE SCHOOL WAS THERE FIRST. MIDDLE SCHOOL HAS HOURS THAT ARE SET. MY POINT IS WE ALREADY HAVE AN AVENUE FOR IT. DO WE NEED ANOTHER AVENUE? AND THEN HOW MUCH DETAIL DO WE NEED TO GET INTO IF THERE IS A SECOND AVENUE? THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION FOR ME. CAN I OFFER THIS? I MEAN, JUST AS I JUST STATED A FEW MINUTES AGO, IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, STAFF WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO RESOLVE MATTERS. AND I CAN'T THINK OF ONE WHERE IT HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED AND LIKE THAT ONE I'M TRYING TO THINK OF. IS THAT ON WAIT OR SOMETHING? BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT TOOK A FEW TIMES TO GET THE THING WORKED OUT, AND IT'S WORKING. SO IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE AND, YOU KNOW, SAY THE CITY IS NOT MAKING HEADWAY ON TRYING TO RESOLVE SOMETHING, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE'LL DO A CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE YOU ALL TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO REEVALUATE THIS SUP BECAUSE SOMEONE'S NOT WILLING TO WORK WITH US. SO WE HAVE A CERTAIN MECHANISM, RIGHT? WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE DO. OK. BUT GO AHEAD. RIGHT? BUT JOHN, IS THAT MECHANISM, MAKE SURE I SAY IT CORRECTLY, THE APPLICANT HAS AN SUP THAT PROVIDES THEM CERTAIN ENTITLEMENTS. DO WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO OVERTURN AN ENTITLEMENT IN THE SUP IF THERE IS A SAFETY ISSUE CREATED? HERE'S WHERE THAT CIRCULATION PLAN IS ADOPTED. I MEAN, THAT IS A KEY ELEMENT TO SHOW THAT THIS IS HOW YOU'RE APPROVING THIS REQUEST. THEY HAVE CIRCULATION PLAN. HERE'S THE HOURS. IF THAT'S NOT WORKING OUT, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND REVISIT THE CIRCULATION PLAN, WHICH IS PART OF THIS ORDINANCE. BUT THE CIRCULATION PLAN IS BASED ON HOURS PROVIDED BY A THIRD PARTY. AND IF THAT THIRD PARTY CHANGES THEIR HOURS, THIS. HOW DO WE SUBJECT THE APPLICANT TO MEETING THOSE THIRD PARTY HOURS? AND THAT'S OUR, THAT'S MY CONCERN IS WE HAVE IS THE CIRCULATION AND INTERACTING WITH [00:25:05] ANOTHER IN AND OUT SCHOOL. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING IN THE ABSTRACT UNTIL SOMETHING ARISES TO THAT. I MEAN, THINK OF ALL THE DAYCARES THAT'S BEEN APPROVED, THAT'S, IT'S BEEN WORKED OUT. SO. IT'S IT'S CHALLENGING. I MEAN, TO GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE ANSWER, I WISH I COULD. SURE, BUT THE RISK MANAGEMENT IS ABSTRACT, IT'S SUBJECTIVE, AND THAT'S WHERE I'M CONCERNED. I DON'T KNOW. I'M IN SUPPORT OF HOW IT CURRENTLY STANDS. RECOMMENDATION, I MEAN, I FEEL WE'RE GETTING, BUT I PERSONALLY, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM A SAFETY CONCERN YOU HAVE. BUT GETTING IN THE WEEDS OF AND [INAUDIBLE] SAYING SAFETY AND I THINK YOU'RE SAYING SAFETY IS SOMEWHAT TIED TO THE TRAFFIC PART OF IT. AND TRAFFIC CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE. A RESTAURANT COULD BE OVERLY SUCCESSFUL AND WE COULD BE LIKE, HEY, THIS RESTAURANT NEEDS TO CUT BACK BECAUSE IT HAS TOO MUCH TRAFFIC. I MEAN, I FEEL WE'RE JUST A LITTLE TOO STINGY BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL ADAPT. IF MY KIDS, WE DROP OFF SCHOOL, IT'S TOO CROWDED. SO WE GO MUCH EARLIER SO WE DON'T HIT TRAFFIC OR WE, YOU KNOW, MAKE THEM WALK. AND SO I THINK PEOPLE WILL ADAPT IF THERE'S A TRAFFIC ISSUE, BUT I FEEL WE SHOULDN'T TIE THEM DOWN TO CHANGING HOURS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL FEELING. I HAVE A COMMENT, I FEEL LIKE WE ARE TYING THEM DOWN TO VERY SPECIFIC HOURS. SO WE'VE GONE PRETTY DEEP IN THE WEEDS ON THE TIMING OF THIS ALREADY. MY CONCERN WOULD BE IF THE MIDDLE SCHOOL HOURS WERE CHANGED TO MATCH UP EXACTLY 4:30. AND YOU HAD AN OWNER AT THE TIME, A DIFFERENT OWNER, WHOEVER IT WAS, THAT WAS LIKE, WELL, IT'S REALLY HARD FOR US TO CHANGE OUR SCHEDULE. WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO CHANGE OUR SCHEDULE. LET'S JUST DEAL WITH IT AND HAVE BOTH SCHOOLS GETTING OUT AT 4:30 AND JUST LET THE PEOPLE DO IT. COMMISSIONER HERE SAID, JUST LET THEM FIGURE IT OUT, AND SOME OF THEM WILL, BUT NOT ENOUGH OF THEM DO. I COULD SEE WHERE BECAUSE WE ARE TYING DOWN SPECIFIC TIMES NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO IF WE USE THE MECHANISM THAT JOHN MENTIONED EARLIER AND WE PULL THIS BACK UP, WHATEVER THE MECHANISM WAS TO BRING BACK A STANDARD MECHANISM, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CALL IT A SUP. SO WE CALL IT BACK AND WE GO, HEY, THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM. AND THE OWNER SAYS, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT BIG OF A PROBLEM. I IT'D BE A BIGGER PROBLEM FOR ME TO CHANGE MY HOURS THAT I'VE BEEN OPERATING ON AND I DON'T WANT TO. AND WHAT NEXT ENTITLED TO THESE HOURS? SO CAN YOU EVEN CHANGE? BUT UNDERSTAND AN SUP IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND IS AT THE BEHEST OF THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL. SO WE HAVE A MECHANISM FOR EVERY SUP THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CITY TO CALL IT IF WE NEED TO CALL IT. AND SO I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH PERSONALLY, AND IT ALLOWS US TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THE CIRCULATION PLAN IS NOT WORKING, SO WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION THROUGH THE PROCESS UNDER THE CURRENT SUP PROCESS. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF WE COME IN HERE AND SAY, OK, IF THE SCHOOL FLIPS, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT THE SCHOOL CAUSING THE ISSUE, IT'S TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE PGA CAUSING THE ISSUE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE CAN'T THINK OF EVERY VARIABLE TO PUT INTO A SPECIAL A SPECIAL CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT'S CAUSING A SCHOOL, A CIRCULATION ISSUE WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE A MECHANISM TO DEAL WITH IT, IN MY OPINION, THROUGH THE THROUGH THE COMMON SUP PROCESS. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I JUST DON'T THINK WE CAN. WE CAN PICK CERTAIN THINGS TO SAY. ALL RIGHT. IF THIS HAPPENS AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT WELL, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT, NO MATTER IF THAT HAPPENS OR NOT. WELL, THAT'S KIND OF MY POINT. OK. CAN YOU ELABORATE? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT. SO IF WE FOLLOW THAT THE CURRENT PROCESS SUP GETS CALLED BACK UP HERE AND THE APPLICANT DOESN'T WANT TO CHANGE THEIR SCHEDULE, WHAT'S THE NEXT? THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO CALL FOR A CHANGE TO THE SUP. SO WE COULD THEN? JOHN AND RICHARD, AM I WRONG IN MAKING THAT STATEMENT? YOU CAN DO THE CALL FOR PUBLIC HERE, AND WE'VE DONE THAT ON A NUMBER OF WHAT WE'RE DONE FOR SENTIENCE. SO YOU ARE CORRECT THAT YOU CAN CALL A PUBLIC HEARING. THE ISSUE IS IF YOU DECIDE TO CHANGE THE SUP, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CHANGE IS, MAY IMPLICATE CERTAIN LEGAL RIGHTS OF THE LANDOWNER. WITH HOURS OF OPERATION TO BE A LEGAL RIGHT, THAT. IS THAT? I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU IN PUBLIC ANYWAY. OK. OK, THANK YOU. MY CONCERN, I GUESS, BECAUSE WE'RE TYING IT DOWN SO DETAILED ALREADY, WE'VE ALMOST KIND OF CREATED A LITTLE BIT OF A GETTING DOWN INTO THE WEEDS A LITTLE BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT WITH THE TIMING OF THE. WHAT? THE CIRCULATION PLAN. SO I GUESS I'M JUST I'M SAYING I THINK IT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT HOW THAT WOULD PLAY OUT. IT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE LIGHT OF SAFETY. PEOPLE WILL ADAPT. I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE WHERE IF THE PARENTS THAT ARE DROPPING THEIR KIDS OFF AT THE [00:30:05] JUNIOR HIGH OR THE DAYCARE FEEL IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN, THEY WILL ADJUST THEIR SCHEDULES. YEAH, BUT I THINK A SAFETY CONCERN WOULD BE A VALID REASON TO OPEN UP AN SUP. BUT I THINK WE I THINK WE I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE TOO DEEP IN IN WHAT WE'RE ENFORCING. THIS IS A [INAUDIBLE] AGREEMENT WITH YOU. I UNDERSTAND. THESE ARE BUSINESS OWNERS IS, HERE'S A BUSINESS OWNER, AND HE MAY OWN IT FOR THE NEXT 70 YEARS, OR HE OWNS IT FOR 10 AND WANTS TO SELL BECAUSE OH, BY THE WAY, WHEN I SELL IT, YOU HAVE THESE CONTINGENCIES. I MEAN, WE NEED TO SOMEWHAT EMPOWER THESE BUSINESS OWNERS, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S ASKING FOR A LOT TO SAY. HE CAN, THE HOURS HE WAS GIVEN THAT HE CAN KEEP THOSE. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST A CLOSED MEETING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AS AUTHORIZED UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.001 TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER FOR PRIVATE CONVERSATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY FOR OPINION. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO MEET WITH COUNCIL IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. I DON'T NEED A SECOND ON THAT; DO I? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? WE HAVE ONE OPPOSE. WE HAVE FIVE ASKING APPROVAL AND ONE DISAPPROVING THIS. SO WE'RE GOING TO MEET. WE'RE GOING TO RECESS AND MEET, ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.001 AND 551.071 PRIVATE CONSULTATION WITH THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY, AND WE WILL BE BACK SHORTLY. WE ARE IN RECESS. ALL RIGHT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO RECONVENE? SO MOVED. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOX. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0. WE RECONVENE AT 7:43. NO ACTION WAS TAKEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. ALL RIGHT. SO COMMISSIONERS, I WANT TO HEAR FROM THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE. I UNDERSTAND THESE THREE PEOPLE'S POSITION, THREE COMMISSIONERS ON THIS SIDE. DO I HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE ON THIS ON THE ISSUE THAT COMMISSIONER BOX BROUGHT UP OR ON THIS ON THIS SUP IN GENERAL? IF YOU WANT TO START ON THIS END, I PERSONALLY HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THE WAY IT'S BEING SUBMITTED BY STAFF. AND I THINK IF THERE DO, IF THERE ARE CHALLENGES THAT COME UP IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL WORK THEM OUT LIKE WE'VE ALWAYS WORKED THEM OUT. ALL RIGHT, MR. KELLY; THOUGHTS? I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH COMMISSIONER MORGAN. I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE WAY IT'S SUBMITTED AND I THINK IT CAN BE WORKED OUT IF THERE'S AN ISSUE. COMMISSIONER COLBERG? I AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENTS THAT COMMISSIONER KENDALL STARTED OFF SAYING, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T OVER POLICY HERE AND. YEAH. I MEAN, OPEN OPENING BACK OVER HERE TO THIS SIDE. BASED OFF OUR LEGAL COUNSEL CONVERSATION IN EXACT SESSION. ANY COMMENTS, CHANGES, THOUGHTS? WELL, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE ALREADY ARE DOING OVER POLICY. WE'RE ALREADY GETTING SO DETAILED, SO WE'RE NOT ADDING MORE DETAIL TO IT BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING SO DETAILED. THAT IS MY CONCERN. YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE SAYING A SPECIFIC TIME HERE. I DO FEEL SOMEWHAT CONFIDENT BECAUSE OF EACH SITE IS UNIQUE AND THIS SITE HAS MULTIPLE ENTRANCES AND EXITS AND EVERYTHING. SO THAT'S THE ONE THING. IT GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT OF SOLACE THAT IF SOMETHING, IF THERE WAS A CONFLICT IN THE FUTURE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE PHYSICAL WAYS TO KEEP THE TRAFFIC SAFE GOING THROUGH THERE. THANK YOU. I JUST I HAVE A QUESTION UNRELATED TO THIS AFTER WE GET THROUGH THIS ISSUE. I JUST WANT TO GET PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS HERE FOR SOMETHING WE UNDERSTAND HOW TO MOVE FORWARD ON CERTAIN PARTS. COMMISSIONER KENDALL ANY CHANGES TO YOUR THOUGHTS? NO, I AM SURE. COMMISSIONER BOX? YEAH. SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. AS BEFORE, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, FOR THE RECORD, THAT'D BE GREAT. SO AS WAS STATED, WE ALREADY GETTING SPECIFIC IN RECOMMENDATION ITEM NUMBER TWO WITH SPECIFIC TIMES THE PURPOSE OF THESE SPECIFIC TIMES, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK AND GUIDANCE WE GAVE STAFF AT THE LAST MEETING WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT YOUR CASE WAS WE WE INSTEAD OF 80 STUDENTS, WE HAD 160 STUDENTS IN TWO DIFFERENT SESSIONS. WE DIDN'T WANT OVERLAPPING, SO WE WANTED AN HOUR BETWEEN THE SESSIONS AND WE WANTED TO CONSIDER THE SCHOOL THAT WAS NEARBY. IF WE, IF I LOOK TO IF MY VOTE WENT TO APPROVE, AS STATED TODAY, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF IN BETWEEN NOW IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO POSSIBLY RELOOK AT HOW THE TIMING IS STATED? AND INSTEAD OF PUTTING EXPLICIT TIMES, LOOK AT EXPLICIT TIME BARRIERS SAY WE WOULD WE ELECT. WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE AN HOUR BETWEEN SESSIONS AND WE WON'T COINCIDE WITH WHATEVER THE SCHOOL IS. AND THAT WAY, IT'S A FLEXIBLE FOR YOU AS WELL AS FLEXIBLE FOR THE CITY. [00:35:03] IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE ONE? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND TWO, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF ON BETWEEN NOW AND IF PASSED THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON THIS CASE? YEAH, AMIN AMLALI, 8466 HAPPY HOLLOW FRISCO, TEXAS. ABSOLUTELY. AND WE SAID THAT AT THE LAST MEETING AS WELL. WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ISSUES. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND JUST FURTHER STATED THE HOURS THAT ARE SUBMITTED, HERE ARE THE STANDARD HOURS FOR IVYBROOK THAT MOST OF THE FRANCHISEES USE ACROSS THE COUNTRY. MAKE SURE YOU'RE SPEAKING INTO THE MICROPHONE UNIT. SORRY, THE HOURS THAT ARE STATED IN THIS TRAFFIC CIRCULATION STUDY ARE THE HOURS THAT IVYBROOK USES AS A STANDARD ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THEY WERE NOT SPECIFIC TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL TIMES THAT WERE BEING BROUGHT. AND IT'S JUST THAT 15 MINUTE WINDOW THAT THERE'S THE STACKING FROM THE MIDDLE SCHOOL ON NICOLLET OAK CREEK BECAUSE WE WENT OUT THERE, OUR ADDRESS IN THE I'M SORRY, JONATHAN KIRBY 13455 NOEL ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS. AND PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THESE BLUE SPEAKER CARDS. SORRY FOR ALL THE PAPERWORK PART, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. SO TO ANSWER YOUR , MR. CHAIR, IS IS I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH DIRECTING STAFF TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO SEE IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY TO STATE THIS FOR SIMPLICITY AS IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. SO WILL WE GIVE STAFF THAT GUIDANCE TO? IT WOULD BE GUIDANCE, NOT SPECIFIC TO THE MOTION BECAUSE. THEY MAY DECIDE THAT THEY CAN'T DO IT ANY DIFFERENT? I AGREE. OK, JOHN, ANY ISSUES WITH THAT APPROACH? IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF P & Z, THEN I ASK JILL AND SEND IT TO GET WITH THE APPLICANT BETWEEN NOW AND WE HAVE TO. THIS WOULD BE SCHEDULED FOR THE MARCH 15TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THAT'S RIGHT. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THIS RESOLVED BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK. SO AND I MEAN, JOEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OK, I JUST WANT TO SHARE. I THINK IT'S A, I STILL THINK WE'RE ASKING. I MEAN, I HOPE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM SAFETY, BUT TRAFFIC. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AN ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC. BUT WHEN WE ASK A BUSINESS THAT MAY EMPLOY 20, 35, 40 PEOPLE AND TO SAY, HEY, ADJUST YOUR SCHEDULE BECAUSE THE SCHOOL ALL OF A SUDDEN CHANGED THEIRS, YOU'RE NOW UPROOTING 20-40 FAMILIES SAYING, HEY, YOU USED TO WORK EIGHT TO FIVE. BUT BECAUSE THE SCHOOL RANDOMLY CHANGED IT, NOW YOU HAVE TO WORK NINE TO SIX, AND NOW THEY HAVE TO PICK UP THEIR KIDS AT DIFFERENT TIMES. I JUST I REALLY GET CONCERNED THAT WE'RE GETTING IN THE WEEDS AND PEOPLE NEED TO ADAPT TO TRAFFIC. THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT. I DON'T THINK THIS IS AS BIG A SAFETY CONCERN AS WE'RE MAKING IT. THAT'S JUST MY FEELING. I DON'T KNOW. OK. I THINK THAT THE VOLUME HERE IS PRETTY LOW COMPARED TO SOME OF OUR OTHER SCHOOLS. BUT ON THIS ONE, I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GET THE VOTE, SO I'M GOING TO DEFER TO MY COMMISSIONERS HERE. NONE OF THE STUDENTS IN THE SCHOOL DRIVE, SO TRAFFIC CAN BE AN ISSUE AND. IT'S 80 CARS, SO. IT'S MORE THAN THAT. IN THE EVENING OR THE MORNING? HOW IS IT MORE THAN 80 CARS? HOW MANY KIDS? HOW MANY STUDENTS ATTEND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL? NO, IT'S MIDDLE SCHOOL. WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT ONE SIDE OF THE VARIABLE BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE SCHOOL GETS TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. YOU'RE JUST SAYING WE'RE JUST YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THE DAYCARE, WHICH IS ONLY THE 80 CARS. AGREE, BUT IF THE 80 CARS HAVE TO STACK WITH ALL THE CARS FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, THEY'RE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THOROUGHFARE PROCESS, THEY'RE ON THE THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD FROM, YOU KNOW, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL'S ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD. SO THEY'RE GOING TO STACKED ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD OR DOWN FURTHER DOWN ON THEIR SIDE OF THE ROAD. IT'S NOT GOING TO STACK IN THE MIDDLE, THE PROCESS HERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE STACKING, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE STACKING ON PANTHER CREEK RIGHT HERE. THE THE POINT WAS KALEIDA CREEK. I BELIEVE NOT. THEY'RE THERE, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE CIRCULATION PLAN TO BE ABLE TO COMMENT FOR THE FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. SO, SO IT'S STILL A CONCERN BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. I JUST I THINK IT'S 80 CARS, SOME. WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH. WELL, I THINK IT'S 80 CARS ON TOP OF THE THE ADJACENT MIDDLE SCHOOL TRAFFIC. SO, THAT'S OUR CONCERN IS THAT 80 CARS ENOUGH TO CAUSE A SAFETY ISSUE. WHEN YOU ADD THAT ON TOP OF RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE NOT ON TOP OF THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, SO IT'S 80 CARS. IF YOU ADD THEM TOGETHER. BUT. AND I DON'T WANT TO PARAPHRASE FOR JOEL. WHEN WE ASKED HIM IF THAT WAS AN ISSUE, I MEAN, HIS BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THE HOUR IN [00:40:03] BETWEEN THE TWO SESSIONS. NO, NO. THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION, JOEL, WHY DON'T YOU COME UP AND ANSWER? ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD WAS A VERY LOW RISK. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD, TOO. SO, JILL, JUST TO CONFIRM THE BIGGEST CONCERN WAS IF THE MIDDLE SCHOOL WAS GETTING OUT AT 4:30 CURRENTLY AND THEY'RE SET NOW, WE'VE LEARNED SOME NEW INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE SET TIME IS 4:30. WOULD THERE BE THAT WOULD BE THE PEAK TRAFFIC TIME YOU'D HAVE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL STACKING ON KALEIDA ROAD. AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAD 80 CARS COMING ON TOP OF THAT TO TRY AND GET THEIR STUDENTS. THE SAFETY VALVE WAS THE MULTIPLE ENTRANCES AND EXITS FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER. THAT'S CORRECT. IF WE DID NOT HAVE THAT, YOU DID SAY, I BELIEVE YOU SAID IF THERE WEREN'T THOSE MULTIPLE ENTRANCES EXITS, DOUBLING UP THE TWO SCHOOLS AT THE 4:30 WOULD BE A CONCERN. IT WOULD BE A CONCERN IF THIS SCHOOL HAD ONLY ITS ONLY TWO POINTS OF ACCESS. WE'RE HERE, HERE AND HERE. IF THOSE WERE THE ONLY ACCESS POINTS OF THE SCHOOL, I WOULD HAVE A MUCH LARGER CONCERN. BUT BECAUSE IT'S PART OF A SHOPPING CENTER WITH MULTIPLE ENTRIES AND EXITS, I DON'T HAVE AS BIG OF A CONCERN FOR THAT. PERHAPS THE APPLICANT ONE MORE QUESTION. APPRECIATE THE COMMENT THAT THESE ARE STANDARD HOURS FOR THE THE IVY CREEK SCHOOLS AROUND THE COUNTRY, THAT THAT HELPS AS WELL IS AFTER AFTER THE FACT AND YOU CAN'T SPEAK TO 50 YEARS IN THE FUTURE, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IF SOMETHING WOULD COME UP, ARE YOU WILLING TO WORK, COME UP IF THIS GETS APPROVED? LET ME LET ME GO IN MORE DETAIL IF THIS WOULD GET APPROVED BY THIS BODY AND THEN EVENTUALLY BY CITY COUNCIL AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, THERE BECOMES A PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GO ON THE RECORD SAYING YOU WILL WORK WITH THE CITY TO RESOLVE THOSE ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC? I DO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE, MR. CHAIR, I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT BEFORE I DO, I DON'T MAKE SURE I CUT ANYONE OFF. THERE ARE TWO QUESTIONS ONE RELATED TO THAT. JOEL I'VE QUESTION FOR YOU. ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC PATTERN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE FUTURE RESTAURANT TO THE NORTH OF THIS BUILDING WHEN YOU GUYS WERE LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION. WAS THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO BE A QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT OR NOT, BUT ANY CONCERNS ABOUT STACKING WITH A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT THAT'S OVERLAPPING WITH THIS CIRCULATION FOR THE DAY CARE? NO, WE WE DEAL WITH DAYCARES GOING INTO SHOPPING CENTERS AND LOTS OF PLACES, AND WE DON'T GET TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. IT'S USUALLY THE DAYCARE THAT CAUSES MORE OF AN ISSUE THAN ANY OTHER ONES AROUND IT. SO AS LONG AS WE MAKE SURE THAT THE DAYCARE OPERATES WELL, THEN WE USUALLY FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE REST OF IT. AS LONG AS IT'S NOT CHICK-FIL-A. WELL, YES, I WILL SAY THERE'S THREE RESTAURANTS THAT IF THEY WERE TO GO IN THAT CORNER, I THINK IT'D BE A PROBLEM FOR ANYONE. CHICK-FIL-A IS TRUE. WE DO LOOK AT CHICK-FIL-A DIFFERENTLY THAN, YES, THAT IS TRUE. A LITTLE MORE SCRUTINY THERE. OK. SO DEPENDING ON THE FOOD? YEAH. OK, THANK YOU. AND THEN I HAD ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. AND ONCE YOU GET YOUR STEPS IN. WE'LL BE HANDING OUT FITBITS LATER. ON THAT NOTE, HE NEEDS TO ASK YOU THE QUESTION. I'M SORRY. THIS JUST CAN'T MAKE A COMMENT. OK? LET ME ASK YOU FIRST A FOLLOW ON QUESTION ABOUT THE QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT TO THE NORTH AND THE TRAFFIC PATTERN, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE ENTRANCE TO THE WHAT LOOKS LIKE WOULD BE THE DRIVE THRU IS RIGHT THERE IN THE TRAFFIC PATTERN WITH THE THE DAYCARE. IS THERE ANY CONCERN THAT YOU HAVE FOR THAT? SO THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH, WE JUST SUBMITTED THE FULL CIVIL PLAN SET ON MONDAY. YESTERDAY FOR THAT HALF, THAT BUILDING IS BEING TAKEN DOWN BY REPUBLIC TITLE ON THE WESTERN HALF OF IT AND THE EASTERN HALF, WHICH IS CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE A LEASE, IS WHAT WOULD COULD BE A RESTAURANT USE. AND TO ANSWER YOUR FOLLOW UP QUESTION, I DO NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PANTHER CREEK ACCESS POINTS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THIS. I THINK THE TRAFFIC IS COMING FROM PANTHER CREEK, NOT FROM KALEIDA CREEK. OK, THANK YOU. GOOD ANSWER. OK, THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WAS ON KALEIDA CREEK DRIVE IS A NORTH SOUTH ROAD AND THERE'S ANOTHER ROAD NEARBY THERE THAT'S KIND OF SIMILAR TO THIS. THAT'S ACROSS FROM NEWMAN ELEMENTARY. IT'S BETWEEN NEWMAN VILLAGE AND NEWMAN ELEMENTARY, AND THAT DEVELOPER CHOSE TO PUT THEIR TREES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK ALONG THERE TO PROVIDE SHADE ALONG THE SIDEWALK. I WAS JUST ASKING IF THERE'S A REASON THAT YOU CHOSE TO PUT THE TREES ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT? CAN I ASK, WAS THIS QUESTION ASKED AND ANSWERED AT THE LAST LAST MEETING BECAUSE I THOUGHT I HAD SOMETHING WE MENTIONED RIGHT AWAY OR SOMETHING? IT WAS MENTIONED THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND WHERE WE DO [00:45:01] STRAIGHT TREES IS WITHIN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, AND KALEIDA IS A COLLECTOR STREET. TOTALLY DIFFERENT STREET. IT'S BUILT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT UTILITIES OR FRANCHISE UTILITIES ARE IN THERE. AND YOU KNOW, THEY COULD SAY THEY AGREE TO DO IT AND DECIDE LATER NOT TO DO IT. AND I'M NOT ASKING THEM TO AGREE AT ALL. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WAS IF YOU HAD THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING THEM ON THE THE WEST SIDE OF IT TO GIVE SHADE FOR THAT SIDEWALK. SO AS MENTIONED, DOING ANYTHING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY COMES WITH A WHOLE HOST OF ISSUES. PLANTING TREES, ESPECIALLY THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT WOULD PROVIDE SHADE. TRADE TREES ARE EVEN MORE OF AN ISSUE. WE WOULD HAVE TO GET RIGHT AWAY ABANDONMENT LETTERS FROM ENCORE ATMOS, ALL THE FRANCHISE COMPANIES THAT OPERATE IN FRISCO TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE SAYING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING IN THIS SPACE, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD REALLY WANT TO DO TO PUT ANYTHING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD WANT US TO DO EITHER. OK. FOLLOW UP QUESTION. ARE YOU SAYING IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AS IT'S CURRENTLY DESIGNED? YES. OK, THANK YOU. I'LL JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT. LIKE WHEN WE DO THOSE THREE TREES, AS YOU'RE ASKING FOR STEVE, THAT'S DETERMINED LONG BEFORE THEY MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO PROPERTY. THIS PROPERTY'S ALREADY IMPROVED. OK, THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE] RETRACT MY REQUESTS FOR THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF IF THIS IS APPROVED IN BETWEEN NOW AND CITY COUNCIL, I THINK THEY'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS SUFFICIENTLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER BOX. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 18 AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF, ASSUMING THE CONDITIONS ARE STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. MY BRAIN JUST WENT OUT. COMMISSIONER KELLY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0. ITEM 18 IS APPROVED. CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU ALL. PUBLIC HEARING 19 PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. [19. Public Hearing - Zoning Ordinance Amendment: Amendment to the Zoning Ordinance (ZA22-0001)] AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, ZA-22-001, OWNER OF CITY OF FRISCO. I'LL PRESENT THIS ONE ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE. IT WAS A MISTAKE. IT WAS IN INVERTED. LEE DELETED FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE BACK IN 2019 FOR A REASON I CANNOT EXPLAIN. BUT THE REASON WE HAVE THIS REQUIREMENT WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE ON PLIMER SITE PLANS BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE HAVE LARGE TRACTS. THERE MIGHT BE 20-30 ACRES AND THE ONLY DOING A SMALL PORTION OF IT. THIS IS TO ALLOW THEM TO DO A PLIMER SITE PLAN ON A SMALLER SECTION, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO SHOW LIKE STRAIGHT CONNECTIONS TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, THE LANDSCAPE EDGE AND SO FORTH. SO WE'RE JUST WANTING TO REINSERT THIS BACK INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS TO STAFF? MOVE TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. A MOTION, WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICANT, SO A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING BY COMMISSIONER BOX. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0. PUBLIC HEARINGS NOW OPEN. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM HERE THIS EVENING? NOBODY HERE, NO ONE HERE. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING? MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0. PUBLIC HEARINGS NOW CLOSED ON ITEM 19. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR DO I HAVE A MOTION IN MIND? ITEM 19? MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 19 IS SUBMITTED BY STAFF. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0. ITEM 19 IS APPROVED. [20. Results of the February 15, 2022 City Council meeting.] ITEM 20 RESULTS OF THE FEBRUARY 15 2022 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. YES, WITHIN YOUR PACKET, THEY ADOPTED THE SUP ORDINANCE FOR THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, A LONG LEGACY JUST SOUTH OF WAS THAT PANTHER CREEK OR EL DORADO AND THEN THE PD AMENDMENT FOR THE BREWERY DOWN IN THE OLD DOWNTOWN THAT WAS TABLED. IT WAS TABLED TO NEXT TUESDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING. NO SPECIFIC REASON WAS GIVEN ON THAT AND THEN THE R. LUPA CASE REGARDING THE REGULATION OF CHURCHES COMPARED TO OTHERS, AND THAT WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. SO THE ORDINANCE WILL BE COMING BACK PROBABLY AROUND ABOUT MARCH 15TH. SO THAT'S IT FOR THE CASES. THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THAT? QUESTIONS ON ITEM TWENTY ONE SCHEDULED TO FEATURE DISCUSSION ITEMS. [21. Schedule of future discussion items.] ANYTHING FOR STAFF THAT WE NEED TO ADD TO OUR LIST OF BUCKET LIST OF THINGS TO TALK ABOUT. JOHN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR COMMISSION? THERE'S ONE THING WORKING ON AND PROBABLY JUST TALK TO YOU OFFLINE INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT IT, BUT LOOKING AT SOME REVISIONS TO A COUPLE OF THE STANDARDS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, I HAVEN'T COMPLETED THE RESEARCH ON IT. SO BEFORE MENTIONING ANYTHING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE BECAUSE [00:50:02] OBVIOUSLY ONCE IT BECOMES PUBLIC, THEN THERE'LL BE SOME PEOPLE HAPPY AND MIGHT BE HAVING SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES FOR TRYING TO FIGURE OUT BEFOREHAND. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. IT JUST LEAVES US ONE THING. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOX, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0. SO WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:41. WE DO HAVE A WORK SESSION ON THE THIRD OR FOURTH FLOOR. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.