SO GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE FRISCO PLANNING AND ZONING [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:05] COMMISSION, WHERE GATHER AT 6101 FRISCO SQUARE BOULEVARD IN THE TIME OF 6:30 P.M. THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION CONSISTS OF FRISCO RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT. COMMISSIONERS PRESENT ARE COMMISSIONER CONE, COMMISSIONER BOX, VICE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER COLBERG, OUR SECRETARY, COMMISSIONER KELLY AND COMMISSIONER MORGAN. I'M ROB COX. I'M YOUR CHAIR FOR THIS EVENING. COMMISSIONER KENDALL IS ABSENT THIS EVENING REPRESENTING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. WE HAVE JOHN LETTELLEIR, JONATHAN HUBBARD, CINDY JACKSON, ANDREA RUSSELL, LORI CROSS. PLEASE TELL HIM HE MISPRONOUNCED IT. IT'S MORE FUN. ENGINEERING, WE HAVE JOEL FITTS AND [INAUDIBLE]. I WASN'T PREPARED TONIGHT TO SPEAK. FIRE DEPARTMENT JOHN GILLETTE AND LEGAL, WE HAVE RYAN PITTMAN. DID I MISS ANYONE THIS EVENING? ALL RIGHT, FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS CITIZEN INPUT. IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION REGARDING ANY ITEMS THAT ARE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, YOU MAY DO SO AT THIS TIME. WE WILL ALSO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS LATER ON ON CERTAIN TOPICS. PLEASE COMPLETE A BLUE SPEAKER CARD AND APPROACH THE PODIUM PRIOR TO YOUR COMMENTS. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. OUR MEETINGS ARE RECORDED, SO PLEASE SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE. PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION, NOT TO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE OR ANY APPLICANTS PRESENT THIS EVENING. TO ENSURE THERE'S ENOUGH TIME FOR ALL TO SPEAK, PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES UNLESS YOU MUST ADDRESS THE COMMISSION THROUGH A TRANSLATOR, IN WHICH CASE YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM 10 MINUTES. PLEASE NOTE THE COMMISSION CANNOT DISCUSS OR TAKE SPECIFIC ACTION DURING CITIZEN INPUT OR ON ITEMS NOT ON THE POSTED AGENDA, EXCEPT TO PROVIDE A STATEMENT OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY, OR TO INDICATE THAT THE MATTER MAY BE PLACED ON A LATER AGENDA. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK DURING CITIZEN INPUT THIS EVENING? OK, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO. [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES ITEM TO CONSIDER AN ACT UPON APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING OF JANUARY 11TH, 2022. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE MINUTES, COMMISSIONERS? DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JANUARY 11TH, 2022. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOX. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. ALL RIGHT. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. ITEM TWO IS APPROVED. ITEM THREE, CONSIDER AN ACT UPON APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL JOINT WORK SESSION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD MEETING ON JANUARY 13TH, 2022. ANY COMMENTS ON THESE MINUTES? DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE TO APPROVE. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. ITEM THREE IS APPROVED. [CONSENT AGENDA] NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM. THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF ROUTINE AND NON-CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS. ANY COMMISSION MEMBER MAKING SUCH REQUESTS PRIOR TO A MOTION AND VOTE ON CONSENT ITEMS MAY CONSIDER ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY. ANY MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO MAKE COMMENTS ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS MAY DO SO WITH THE MAJORITY APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSION, AND WE HAVE ITEMS THIS EVENING, 4-13. ARE THERE ANY THAT NEED TO BE POOLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEMS 4-13. MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS, 4-13. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOX. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. ITEMS 4-13 ARE APPROVED. ALL RIGHT. THIS EVENING, WE HAVE FIVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE AGENDA, AND I WANT TO REVIEW [14. Public Hearing - Replat: Frisco Original Donation, Block 58, Lots 11-12 (RP21-0051)] THE PROCESS. EACH PUBLIC HEARING IS PRECEDED BY A STAFF INTRODUCTION OF THE REQUEST. THE APPLICANT IS THEN PERMITTED 10 MINUTES TO MAKE HIS OR HER PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION FOLLOWING QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF AND APPLICANT BY THE COMMISSION. THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ARE WELCOME TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. ALL SPEAKERS, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT, NEED TO COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD AND PROVIDE IT TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT. IF THERE ARE ORGANIZED GROUPS AND GROUPS IN ATTENDANCE, WE SUGGEST THAT YOU SELECT REPRESENTATIVES TO PRESENT YOUR POSITIONS. PLEASE AVOID REPEATING WHAT HAS BEEN STATED BY PREVIOUS SPEAKERS OTHER THAN STATING THAT YOU AGREE WITH THEIR COMMENTS. THE TIME LIMIT IS FIVE MINUTES PER SPEAKER TO ENSURE EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO SPEAK. THE COMMISSION MEMBERS CAN ALSO VOTE TO LIMIT SPEAKING TIME IF A LARGE VOLUME OF PEOPLE ARE WISHING TO SPEAK. WE WON'T BE INVOKING THAT TO SEE ME. PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU ONLY HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. REPEAT APPEARANCES TO THE PODIUM ARE NOT PERMITTED. AFTER ALL, PERSONS HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE CASE WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER TESTIMONY WILL BE PERMITTED UNLESS THE CASE IS TABLE TO A FUTURE DATE. AND THE COMMISSION INCLUDES INTER A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO A FUTURE MEETING. AFTER CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. PLEASE NOTE THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ONLY MAKES A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING [00:05:02] ZONING CASES UNLESS THE COMMISSION DENIES THE CASE AND THE APPLICANT DOES NOT APPEAL THE DENIAL. FINAL ACTION REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING BY THE CITY COUNCIL. YOU ARE ENCOURAGED TO CONTACT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF AS TO WHEN THE CASE WILL BE CONSIDERED BY CITY COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT, FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS ITEM 14 PUBLIC HEARING REPLAT AT FRISCO ORIGINAL DONATION BLOCK 58, LOTS 11-12RP-21-0051 OWNERS RICHARD HENSON LLC. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPLAT IS TO SHIFT THE COMMON PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN TWO ORIGINAL TOWN RESIDENTIAL LOTS TO CREATE TWO BUILDABLE LOTS. EACH OF THESE LOTS COMPLIES WITH THE OTR MINIMUM LOT SIZE STANDARDS. STAFF HAS RECENTLY RECEIVED ONE EMAIL IN SUPPORT OF THIS REPLAT, BUT IT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TONIGHT, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. SO IF YOU COULD JUST QUICKLY, THIS IS TAKING TWO LOTS AND CREATING ONE? SO IT'S TWO LOTS TODAY. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THIS YELLOW LINE HERE. IT'S JUST A SMALLER LOT AND A LARGER LOT. THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, EVENING OUT THAT LOT LINE. SO YOU HAVE TWO BUILDABLE LOTS OF DECENT SIZE. OK, SO IT'S TWO GOING TO TWO, RIGHT? OK, AND JUST MAKING THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE EQUITABLE. THAT'S CORRECT. OK, ANY QUESTIONS BY STAFF? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOX. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. OK, LET ME SEE IF WE HAVE ANY. I'VE GOT ONE ON 14. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE UP HERE THAT DON'T HAVE AN ITEM NUMBER, BUT FIRST. FIRST ITEM IS MATT CALLAWAY. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AS YOU COME UP. AND THEN I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHERS I'LL CALL IN A SECOND. GOOD EVENING. I'M MATT CALLAWAY. I LIVE A BLOCK AWAY 7546 OAK STREET. I SUPPORT THIS AGENDA ITEM. AS A PROPERTY OWNER DOWNTOWN, I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF LARGER LOTS. THIS IS MAKING IT LARGER FOR THE CORNER LOT. I KNOW THE APPLICANT AS WELL, AND HE PLANS TO BUILD A CUSTOM HOMES THERE, AND THAT CORNER LOT BEING BIGGER WOULD GIVE HIM THE NECESSARY BUFFER FOR LANDSCAPING AND OTHER THINGS THAT'S NEEDED IN THE OTR TO BUILD A HIGH END QUALITY PRODUCT. SO I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF IT. EXCELLENT. SO MR. TOM MARTINEZ. IT SAYS YOU DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT DID NOT SAY WHICH ACTION ITEM THAT YOU WERE IN SUPPORT OF. DO YOU, MR. MARTINEZ, STILL HERE? OK, THANK YOU. AND THEN, LYDIA, I APOLOGIZE. COMERO? IT STATES THAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHICH ITEM IS THIS ITEM HERE OR A DIFFERENT ITEM. OK. I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT ITEM IS NOT. OK. TELL ME WHAT ITEM THAT IS. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER FOLKS THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON ITEM 14 THIS EVENING REGARDING THIS REPLAT. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. LET ME NOTE THAT I SAW COMMISSIONER BOX STATE YES, INSTEAD OF BEING IN THE MICROPHONE. I VOTED. ALL RIGHT. AS YOU SAID. COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? ANYTHING? ANY COMMENTS? OR DO I HAVE A MOTION? JUST ONE COMMENT. JUST TO CLARIFY THAT WE'RE TAKING THIS TWO LOTS THAT ARE DIFFERENT SIZES AND WE'RE MAKING THEM INTO TWO ALMOST IDENTICAL SIZE SLOTS, CORRECT? YEAH. I THINK THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE FOR THIS AREA TO DO THAT. ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM 14? [INAUDIBLE] RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. COMMISSIONER BOX. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOX. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. ITEM 14 IS APPROVED. [15. Public Hearing - Replat: Preston Center, Phase I, Block A, Lot 3A (RP21-0053)] ALL RIGHT. ITEM 15 PUBLIC HEARING REPLAT PRESTON CENTER PHASE ONE BLOCK A, LOT 3A, RP-21-0053 OWNERS MCDONALD'S RESTAURANT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPLAT IS TO DEDICATE EASEMENTS NECESSARY FOR DEVELOPMENT. THIS DOES CONFORM TO THE SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORMING SOP PLAN THAT STAFF APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR. IT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TONIGHT, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. ALL RIGHT, STEPHANIE COMMISSIONER CONE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF QUESTION? IF YOU CAN CONFIRM FOR EASEMENTS BECAUSE THE BUILDING'S ALREADY THERE, THE FOR FUTURE [00:10:03] DEVELOPMENT, IS THAT CORRECT? SO THEY RECENTLY CAME IN TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THEIR DRIVE-THRU, AND THAT'S WHAT THE SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORMING SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED FOR. AND DURING THAT TIME, IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT SOME OF THE EASEMENTS FOR THE BUILDING, FOR THE SITE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR THE YEARS, FOR YEARS WERE NEVER DEDICATED. SO IT'S DEDICATING THE EASEMENTS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEDICATED YEARS AGO, AS WELL AS ANY CHANGES THAT WERE RECENTLY MADE FOR THE DRIVE THRU. THANK YOU. HMM. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOX. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES 5-0. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, MOVE TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS OR DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 15, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOX. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. ITEM 15 IS APPROVED. ITEM 16 PUBLIC HEARING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. [16. Public Hearing - Specific Use Permit: Panther Creek Crossing, Block A, Lot 8 (SUP21-0011)] PANTHER CREEK CROSSING BLOCK A LOT EIGHT. CP21-0011. OWNERS WP VENTURES LLC. I APOLOGIZE FOR BUTCHERING THAT. THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A LICENSED CHILD CARE CENTER. THEY'RE PROPOSING A ONE STOREY MONTESSORI SCHOOL FACILITY. THE SITE IS LOCATED ON KALEIDO CREEK DRIVE, WHICH IS SOUTH OF PANTHER CREEK PARKWAY. THE SITE IS ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT 158 RETAIL. THIS USE IS PERMITTED BY SUP IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO PROVIDE THIRTEEN HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR PLAY SPACE FOR THE AREA. THIS OPEN SPACE IS APPROXIMATELY THREE HUNDRED AND THIRTY FIVE FEET FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL LOT TO THE SOUTH. THE APPROVED PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR THIS SITE SHOWS THAT IN THE FUTURE THERE WILL BE A BUILDING CONSTRUCTED BETWEEN THIS SITE AND THE AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE AND THE. SINGLE FAMILY LOCATED TO THE SOUTH, SO THEY WILL BE WELL SCREENED FROM THE PLAY AREA. THANK YOU. YOU CAN SEE THE SITE PLAN AND YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION OF THE OPEN SPACE. PROVIDED RIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT THERE, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO ENTER INTO THE VOLUNTARY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REGARDING LOCAL BUILDING CODES AND AMENDMENTS. HOWEVER, THE SITE PLAN, IF YOU NOTED, STATED THAT THE MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT WAS GOING TO BE 80 STUDENTS. THE APPLICANT HAS INFORMED ME THAT ACTUALLY IT'S 80 STUDENTS PER SESSION. THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO SESSIONS EACH DAY FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. IT WILL BE HELD A MORNING SESSION AND AN AFTERNOON SESSION. THEY WILL BE LESS THAN FOUR HOURS IN LENGTH. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT CAN EXPLAIN A BIT MORE TO YOU ABOUT HOW THAT THE NUMBERS WILL WORK WITH THE ENROLLMENT. I THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT SPECIFIED ANYTHING ANY DIFFERENT REGULATIONS FOR DOUBLE SESSION FOR PRESCHOOLS. SO THIS ALL COMPLIES WITH THE CODE. PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE MAILED AS REQUIRED AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES BACK. THIS PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR PANTHER CREEK CROSSING, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN DECEMBER, PROVIDES FOR THE OPEN SPACE FOR THE SITE. IT'S A CONSOLIDATED OPEN SPACE WHICH. YOU CAN SEE IT'S LOCATED RIGHT NEXT TO THE SCHOOL. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COMPATIBILITY CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE IN THE ZONING CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS NOTED IN YOUR BACKUP, THE SITE COMPLIES WITH ALL OF THE COMPATIBILITY CONSIDERATIONS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST. LET ME CLEAR THAT. THESE ARE THE THE LANDSCAPING THAT IS IN YOUR [00:15:04] LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET, THE SOD PLANT THAT THE APPLICANT IS PRESENTING. IT'S ONE HUNDRED PERCENT MASONRY ONE STOREY TALL AND MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST WITH CONDITIONS SPECIFICALLY THAT THE MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT, WELL, THE MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT WAS TO BE 80 STUDENTS, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT WILL COME UP AND REQUEST THAT THAT BE ACTUALLY DOUBLE TO ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY. THE SITE SHALL DEVELOP IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ATTACHED SITE PLAN THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET. LANDSCAPING SHALL BE PART OF THE ATTACHED EXHIBIT THAT IS ALSO IN YOUR PACKET. BUILDING MATERIALS AND BUILDING HEIGHT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE FACADE PLAN BEFORE YOU AND IN YOUR PACKET. EACH CLASS SESSION SHALL BE FOUR HOURS LESS THAN FOUR HOURS IN DURATION PER DAY, AND THE SITE MUST COMPLY WITH THE THE APPROVED CIRCULATION PLAN THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AS WELL. SO JUST ONE QUESTION I THINK THIS QUESTION PROBABLY GOES TO TO JOEL IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT THIS WAS 80 STUDENTS AND NOW IT'S GOING TO BE 160 STUDENTS OR TWO SETS OF 80. REALLY? DOES THAT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE ON THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND SO FORTH? SO THE CIRCULATION STUDY THAT WAS DONE DOESN'T DESCRIBE THE TWO DIFFERENT SESSIONS. AND SO IT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT IF, FOR INSTANCE, THE PEOPLE ARRIVING FOR THE SECOND SESSION WERE ARRIVING AT THE SAME TIME THAT PEOPLE WERE LEAVING FOR THE FIRST SESSION. SO WE WOULD NEED TO SEE SOMETHING THAT CLARIFIED THAT FOR SURE, THOSE TWO SESSIONS WERE NOT THERE AT THE SAME TIME. ONE WOULD BE GONE AND COMPLETELY. ONE WOULD BE DONE AND COMPLETELY GONE BEFORE THE NEXT ONE STARTED TO ARRIVE. IF THEY DO OVERLAP WHERE PEOPLE ARE LEAVING WHILE PEOPLE ARE ARRIVING, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO SEE A NEW TRAFFIC STUDY TO SHOW THAT THAT'S NOT AN IMPACT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE STUDY THEY GAVE US DOESN'T DESCRIBE THAT. SO THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN IF IF THERE WAS A WHAT AMOUNT OF TIME BETWEEN LEFT OUT AND STARTING DOING IS REASONABLE TO ALLOW. PROBABLY, IF IT'S 80 STUDENTS, THAT'S PROBABLY AT LEAST 60 DROP OFFS AND PICKUPS. YEAH, IT'S I GUESS IT WOULD HAVE TO DESCRIBE HOW LONG, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A SET TIME, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SCHOOL, LIKE A PUBLIC SCHOOL. IF THERE'S A SET TIME THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO BE GONE BY AND EVERYBODY THEN HAS TO ARRIVE BY A CERTAIN TIME, THEN HAVING THEM SEPARATED BY HALF HOUR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT IF THERE'S NO DEFINED TIME THAT WOULD BE CONCERNING, WE WOULD NEED TO. WE WOULD NEED TO SEE SOME KIND OF DESCRIPTION OF HOW THAT WORKS. IF THERE IS NO DEFINED TIME THAT YOU HAVE TO PICK UP YOUR STUDENT AT A CERTAIN TIME BECAUSE IT WOULD BE THE POSSIBILITY THAT THEY OVERLAP, SO WE WOULD NEED SOME ASSURANCES THAT THERE WOULD BE SEPARATION. EXCELLENT. OK, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? JOEL? GLAD I CAUGHT YOU. SO THIS SITE, JUST TO THE WEST OF THIS SITE, IS MIDDLE SCHOOL. YES, THE TRAFFIC PATTERN, I DON'T KNOW THE TRAFFIC PATTERN FOR TRENT, AND I DIDN'T ASK YOU BEFOREHAND, SO I APOLOGIZE. BUT I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH TIMING OF THIS SCHOOL AND POTENTIAL BACKUP WITH TRENT MIDDLE SCHOOL BECAUSE THOSE CHILDREN DO NOT DRIVE AND THEY GET MANY OF THEM GET PICKED UP. DO YOU KNOW IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK INTO THAT OR IS THAT AN ITEM THAT YOU NEED SOME EXTRA TIME TO LOOK INTO? SO AS PART OF THE CIRCULATION STUDY, WE DID WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS SITE DID NOT BACK UP ONTO [INAUDIBLE] CREEK DRIVE AT ALL, SO THAT THERE WOULD BE NO INTERACTION WITH THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. SO INSTEAD OF ANY KIND OF SPECIFIC LOOKING AT HOW THEY INTERACT, IT WAS MORE LIKE JUST THERE SHALL BE NO INTERACTION BECAUSE YOU SHOULDN'T BACK UP ONTO [INAUDIBLE] CREEK AT ALL. SO THAT'S THAT WAS THE CRITERIA WE PLACED ON IT. OK, BUT ON THE THE PATTERN, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS A THERE WERE SOME TRAFFIC ERRORS COMING ON. I MAY HAVE MISREAD IT, BUT SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THEY CAN. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S ACTUALLY ATTACHED. IS IT IN THE PRESENTATION PLAN? THE CIRCULATION PLAN WAS ATTACHED TO SOMETHING, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE PRESENTATION. SO IT DOES SHOW THAT THAT PEOPLE CAN DRIVE INTO THE SITE LIKE THIS. CORRECT. BUT THEY HAVE OTHER ACCESS POINTS AS WELL. SO TO THE TOLLWAY RIGHT TO THE PARKWAY? MM HMM. SO THE FACT THAT YOU CAN ENTER IN THERE, WE'RE IT'S TO US, IT'S A KEY THAT THE SITE ITSELF CAN HANDLE THE TRAFFIC THAT ARRIVES SO THAT THAT QUEUE DOESN'T BACK UP ON THAT ARROW. I'VE DRAWN TRAFFIC MIGHT ARRIVE AND ENTER, BUT THEY SHOULDN'T BE STUCK ON THE [00:20:03] ROAD WAITING TO TURN IN BECAUSE THE SITE'S TOO BUSY. SO ENTERING FROM THAT DRIVEWAY FROM THAT STREET IS OK AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T BACK UP ONTO THAT STREET AND IN QUEUEING, I MEAN, WE'RE GUESSING, BUT QUEUING ON THE PARKWAY COULD BE A IF IT WOULD QUEUE UP, THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL SAFETY ISSUE. IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. WE DON'T WANT TRAFFIC TO BACK UP ON ANY ROADWAY. EXACTLY. SO AND I WOULD THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE LEEWAY FROM THE TOLLWAY, THE DALLAS PARKWAY OVER HERE. AND OF COURSE, IT'S FURTHER THAN WHERE I'VE DRAWN IT. AND YOU'VE ALSO GOT EL DORADO. AND SO THERE'S A LOT MORE DISTANCE IF THEY DID COME IN FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD THROUGH THE ENTIRE SITE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S LESS LEEWAY RIGHT HERE BECAUSE YOU REAL CLOSE TO [INAUDIBLE] CREEK. SO WE FOCUSED MORE ON THAT. BUT YEAH, WE DO FEEL CONFIDENT THERE'S THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM WITH IT BACKING UP ON DALLAS PARKWAY BECAUSE IT'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY. OK, THANK YOU, JOEL. THIS SAYS, JUST AS A NOTE FOR STAFF, I WOULD LOVE IF OUR LOCATOR MAP WASN'T DRILLED IN QUITE SO TIGHT WHERE I COULD AT LEAST SEE THAT THERE WAS A MIDDLE SCHOOL THERE ON THAT. BUT JUST I KNOW IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, YOU MUST HAVE IT NOW. YEAH, GO AHEAD. AND THIS IS JUST A QUESTION ON THE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN SHOWS THAT ALL OF THE TREES ARE PLANNED TO BE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK THERE INSTEAD OF ON THE THE SIDE THAT MIGHT BLOCK THE SUN IN THE AFTERNOON. AND THIS IS JUST A QUESTION. IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO JUST CHANGE THEIR MIND ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IF THEY WANTED TO MOVE THE TREES TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK TO PROVIDE SHADE FOR THE SIDEWALK? COULD THEY DO THAT ON THIS ROAD? I AM SURE THAT THOSE TREES ARE PLANTED ON THE PROPERTY, THE SIDEWALKS IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THIS IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL STREET, AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT UTILITIES ARE THERE. SO THIS JUST NEEDS TO STAY WHERE IT'S AT. I'M JUST ASKING IF THEY ASK THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THEY COULD ASK YOU TO EXPLORE AND THEY COULD FIND OUT IF IT'S FEASIBLE? I'M JUST USING THE EXAMPLE OF WHAT'S THAT ROAD CALLED BRIAR. BRIAR RIDGE ROAD, FITTS, IN THAT SAME AREA THERE OVER BY NEWMAN ELEMENTARY. KIND OF A SIMILAR SET UP 30 MILE PER HOUR KIND OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ROAD. SO I'M JUST ASKING IF THAT'D BE SOMETHING THEY COULD ASK YOU. AND THEN YOU COULD DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S FEASIBLE OR NOT. WE COULD ALWAYS DETERMINE IF IT WAS FEASIBLE OR NOT. OK, OK, THAT'S FINE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT. WITH THE LET ME ALSO ADD, OK, WHEN YOU GET INTO THAT, YOU HAVE OTHER FACTORS FRANCHISE UTILITIES THAT MAY COMPROMISE. I MEAN, WE GOT THINGS WORKED OUT ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS, BUT ONCE YOU GET OUTSIDE OF THAT, IT BECOMES A DIFFERENT BALLGAME. SO I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO REALIZE THAT IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS FLIPPING BECAUSE THERE MAY BE OTHER FACTORS THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED. SO WE GOT TO BE MINDFUL OF FRANCHISE UTILITIES. OF COURSE. ALWAYS. ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO ASK AGAIN, IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND WOULD THEY CARE TO SPEAK? IF YOU HAVEN'T FILLED OUT A CARD AFTER YOU GET DONE, PLEASE DO SO. YES. ANY SPEAKERS? AND JONATHAN KIRBY 13455 NOEL ROAD, DALLAS. SO JUST I'LL BE BRIEF. I'M CIVIL ENGINEER REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER, AND WE HAVE IVY BROOK WITH US AS WELL. THE DAY CARE WE FOR THE THE DISCREPANCY FROM THE 80 TO THE 80 PER SESSION WE SINCE IT WAS PER SESSION, THE SESSIONS ARE SEPARATE. WE HAD DESIGNED THE SITE TO HANDLE 80 AT ONCE FROM THE CIRCULATION, FROM PARKING AND ALL OF THAT. SO WE DO FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THE SITE IS SET UP FOR THAT AND MET WITH THE HOA, HAD A POSITIVE FEEDBACK WITH THE HOA BACK IN DECEMBER. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE. HI, AMIN, [INAUDIBLE] 8466 HAPPY HOLLY DRIVE, FRISCO, TEXAS. SO WE'RE THE FRANCHISE OWNERS FOR THE IVY BROOK. IT IS ONLY A HALF DAY MONTESSORI MORNING AND AFTERNOON IN TERMS OF THE TWO GROUPS. I'LL START THERE. THEY WILL NOT OVERLAP. SO AND WE'RE ALSO WILLING TO ADJUST OUR SCHEDULE BASED ON TRENT'S WHEN THE STUDENTS COME IN AND WHEN THEY LEAVE, SO THAT WE'RE NOT AFFECTING THEM IN ANY WAY. BUT AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, 8:30 THE STUDENTS WOULD COME IN, THEY WOULD LEAVE BY NOON. [00:25:01] THE NEXT GROUP WOULD COME IN AT 12:30, THEY WOULD LEAVE BY FOUR. SO THAT'S HOW THE MODEL IS SET UP. YOU RESTATE THOSE HOURS AGAIN, YEAH, SO THEORETICALLY, 8:30-12, THREE AND A HALF HOURS, 12:30-4. SO THERE'S A 30 MINUTE GAP. WE COULD PUSH IT BACK TO ONE IF WE NEED IT TO AS WELL SO THAT WE'RE NOT OVERLAPPING WITH TRENT. AND THERE'S A SECOND QUESTION, BUT I REMEMBER WHAT IT IS. EARLY TODAY, SO THE QUESTION IS HOW MUCH TIME BETWEEN SESSIONS IN, SO YOU'RE STATING A MINIMUM OF 30 MINUTES IS WHAT I'M HEARING. THAT'S CORRECT. OK. AND SO WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH OUR ENGINEER. SEE IF THAT'S ENOUGH TIME FOR FOR THE VEHICLES OR THINGS THAT WE NEED MORE. AND THEN IF WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS, WE MIGHT INCLUDE THAT IN THERE AND ASK YOU IF IT'S OK TO DO SO. OK, OK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW FOR THE APPLICANT? OK, THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW IN SESSION. DO WE HAVE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM THIS EVENING? SEEING NONE, MOVE TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOX. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. PUBLIC HEARINGS NOW CLOSE. I'LL START OFF HERE A COUPLE OF THINGS. I THINK THE LOCATION OF THIS DAYCARE IS AN APPROPRIATE SPOT. DO NOT LIKE IT NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS ONE IS NOT. I DO UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION ON THE TRENT MIDDLE SCHOOL TRAFFIC. I THINK THAT'S VIABLE TO MANAGE. WE'RE DOING IT IN OTHER PLACES. I DON'T THINK ENOUGH TRAFFIC HERE TO DISRUPT THAT. I DO THINK WE NEED TO PUT IN OUR SUP A MINIMUM TIME FRAME BETWEEN SESSIONS. AND SO JOEL WITH, SAY, 80 VEHICLES COMING IN AND OUT IN 30 MINUTES. YOU KNOW, LET ME ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION FIRST, SIR, IF YOU CAN COME BACK UP. AND TYPICALLY IN A FACILITY LIKE THIS, IT'S TYPICALLY ONE TO ONE DROP OFF THE KID OR CHILD, RIGHT? VERY MAYBE THERE'S TWINS, A FEW SETS OF TWINS THAT ARE COMING IN AT THE SAME TIME, BUT REALLY IT'S GOING TO BE 80 VEHICLES MOST OF THE TIME. CORRECT? CORRECT. OK, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE IT ENOUGH TIME TO GET, YOU KNOW, DOES IT NEED TO BE 30 MINUTES OR DOESN'T NEED TO BE FORTY FIVE MINUTES BETWEEN SESSIONS? I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AN HOUR PERSONALLY, BUT BUT THAT'S REALLY JOEL. I'LL ASK YOU THE QUESTION IN TERMS OF WITHOUT HAVING TO DO ANOTHER CIRCULATION PLAN BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WE MIGHT NEED TO DO THAT AND WOULD BE, I NEED YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON THAT. BUT CAN WE PUT A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME IN HERE BETWEEN SESSIONS TO FACILITATE IN AND OUT? SO WE DEFINITELY ARE GOING TO NEED A REVISED CIRCULATION PLAN TO DESCRIBE THE OPERATION OF THE SCHOOL TO, FOR INSTANCE, THE CURRENT PLAN DOES NOT. IT PRETTY MUCH EVEN STATES THAT THERE'S NO SET ARRIVAL AND DEPARTURE TIMES, YOU KNOW, WHEREAS IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS GOING TO HAVE SIMILAR TO A SCHOOL WHERE EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE THERE BY A CERTAIN TIME. AND THEN THIS SESSION IS OVER AT A CERTAIN TIME AND THEN ALL THE PARENTS NEED TO PICK UP, WHEREAS A TYPICAL CHILD CARE CENTER. THERE'S A RANGE OF TIMES IT'S LIKE NOT EVERYBODY HAS TO BE THERE AT THE EXACT SAME TIME. NOT EVERYBODY PICKS UP AT THE EXACT SAME TIME BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE A A SCHOOL WITH A BELT, A BELL RINGING AT A CERTAIN TIME AND, YOU KNOW, DISMISSAL AND SO FORTH. SO IN ORDER FOR THE TIME SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO TO BE GOOD, WE WOULD HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A BELL ESSENTIALLY THAT THE FIRST SESSION IS OVER. EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE PICKED UP. THEY CAN'T. THERE CAN'T BE A LINGERING, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS TO BE A SET TIME AND THEN THERE'S A TIME THAT THE NEXT SESSION STARTS AND EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE THERE BY THAT TIME. SO I THINK THAT A SEPARATION OF AN HOUR IS BETTER BECAUSE THERE IS AN HOUR BETWEEN THE BELLS, LET'S SAY IF WE CALL IT THE BELL TIME, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE BELL TIME WHEN THIS CLASS IS OVER AND IT TAKES A WHILE FOR PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THEIR CLASSROOM AND INTO THE CARS AND PARENTS DON'T ALL ARRIVE AT THE SAME TIME. IT'S ALL PARKING BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GET OUT AND COME GET THE CHILD, PROBABLY. AND THEN TO NOW YOU HAVE THE TIME THAT IT'S STARTING AND NOW PEOPLE, THEY ALL DON'T ARRIVE AT THE EXACT SAME MOMENT AND ALL GET INTO THE BUILDING. YOU HAVE TO HAVE TIME FOR PEOPLE TO ARRIVE AND GET INTO THE BUILDING. SO I THINK AT TIME OF AN HOUR BETWEEN THE BELLS, YOU KNOW, USE THAT PHRASE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THAT WOULD WORK FOR US. BUT THE CIRCULATION STUDY WOULD NEED TO BE REVISED BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT [00:30:02] THIS WOULD GO TO TO DESCRIBE THE OPERATION OF THE SCHOOL IN THAT WAY AND GIVE THAT SPECIFIC TIME. AND WE WOULD ALSO NEED TO THEREFORE SEE THE TIMES, YOU KNOW, THE START TIME OF THE FIRST SESSION, THE END TIME OF THE FIRST SESSION, THE START TIME OF THE SECOND SESSION THAT NEEDS TO BE DESCRIBED VERY SPECIFICALLY IN HERE. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE A TRAFFIC CIRCULATION CHANGE, SHOULD WE NOT WAIT AND SEE THAT BEFORE WE MAKE A SUGGESTION WHETHER IT SHOULD BE 30, 45, OR AN HOUR, I MEAN, I WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO GIVE THEM AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY AS POSSIBLE, BUT YET MEET WHAT WE NEED FROM A CIRCULATION PERSPECTIVE IS THAT 40 MINUTES? IS THAT AN HOUR? WHAT IS IT? LET ME ASK OUR ENGINEER. CIVIL ENGINEER IS REPRESENTING HIM. HE HAS LOOKED LIKE. WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY ON THIS PROCESS, SO I'M PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN JOEL HERE. I THINK 30 MINUTES WOULD BE WELL ENOUGH. I MEAN, I I HAVE TWO KIDS IN DAYCARE RIGHT NOW, SO I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE ONE TO ONE THAN WE MAY BE THINKING OFF THE BAT. BUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS, COULD WE JUST DO APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION STUDY, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL CHOSE TO DO? AND OBVIOUSLY IN THAT CIRCULATION STUDY, IT WOULD BE DEFINED WHAT THE THOSE TIMES WOULD BE AND THAT WOULD ALL BE DONE PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL JUST JUMP IN. WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THEY WERE HAVING TWO SESSIONS UNTIL PUT IN THE STAFF REPORT ABOUT CAPPING IT AT 80 AND THEN CINDY GETS A CALL OR YESTERDAY ABOUT, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY. I SUGGEST THAT YOUR TABLE THIS GO TO THE FEBRUARY 22 MEETING. SO JILL HAS TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT REVISED CIRCULATION PLAN. AND I THINK 30 MINUTES IS TOO SHORT. I AGREE WITH JILL THAT IT GETS TO BE TOO TIGHT OF A WINDOW. SOME PEOPLE GET THERE LATE, SOME PEOPLE GET THERE EARLY. IT BECOMES TIGHT IN THAT CROSSOVER. THAT'S WHY WE NEED THE ADVICE OF OF OUR TRAFFIC TEAM BECAUSE WE WE DON'T KNOW UP HERE. WE JUST HERE... HAVING FAMILY WORKING IN PRESCHOOL DAY CARE ALREADY. I CAN TELL YOU THAT NOT EVERYBODY PICKS UP AT THE SAME TIME, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A DESIGNATED PICKUP TIME. NOR DO THEY DROP OFF AT THE SAME TIME. SO THE MORE TIME YOU CAN ALLOW FOR THAT DROP OFF AND PICK UP, THE BETTER. AND I WOULD SAY IS THE SURE YOU SAID THAT THEY WOULD PARK AND GO IN, THERE ARE ONLY 13 SPOTS. SO THIS IS A CIRCULATION. IT'S NOT A PARK AND GO IN AND YOU'RE PARKING IN THE DRIVEWAY THERE, YOU'RE STOPPING AND YOU'RE QUEUING UP. AND SO IF YOU'VE GOT 80 CARS, THAT'S TWENTY FIVE SECONDS PER CAR TO LOAD. OBVIOUSLY, YOU LOAD MORE THAN ONE CAR AT A TIME. IF YOU DO THAT AT 30 MINUTES, I THINK THAT'S WAY TOO TIGHT. I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER. THAT SEEMS REALLY TIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO BE THE RIGHT NUMBER. I DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT THE NUMBER IS. I JUST WANTED TO BE RIGHT NUMBER. SO IF I CAN, I HAVE TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. AS WAS MY ANALOGY CORRECT IN YOUR OPINION? OR WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON MY TWENTY FIVE SECOND AND THIRTY MINUTE COMMENT? WELL, I JUST THINK WE ALSO NEED TO BE AWARE, LIKE JOEL MENTIONED, THAT WE DON'T HAVE ONE INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THIS, YOU KNOW, THE RACETRACK ON THE CORNER THAT'S DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, THE STARBUCKS THAT'S DEVELOPED, YOU HAVE THOSE DRIVEWAYS, WE HAVE THE LARGEST, THE NORTH OF THIS LOT, ONE, WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE CITY FOR OUR CIVIL PLAN. SO THERE'S THERE'S A LOT MORE ACCESS POINTS IN SITE CIRCULATION THAT GOES TO THIS OTHER THAN THIS LITTLE CLIP THAT WE'RE SEEING, WHICH I THINK PROVIDES A LOT OF RELIEF TO THE CIRCULATION OF THIS SITE. I CAN APPRECIATE THAT I DON'T WANT TO COUNT A RACETRACK IN FROM A CIRCULATION PERSPECTIVE. I WAS JUST GIVEN THE TO GET BUSY THERE. BUT YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I'D LIKE TO SEE A BROADER VIEW OF THE CIRCULATION PLAN BECAUSE I CAN'T TELL WHAT ELSE IS ON THIS SITE. I CAN'T COMPARE IT TO THE VISUAL, TO THE CIRCULATION PLAN, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE. I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S FLOWING BETTER BECAUSE I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT. AND THEN YOU ADD THE MIDDLE SCHOOL TO IT. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF DYNAMICS HERE. I LIVE IN AN AREA ACTUALLY. WE DENIED BEFORE I WAS ON P&Z. MY FIRST TIME IN THIS ROOM WAS COMING TO TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO A DAYCARE, NOT A MONTESSORI, BUT A DAYCARE GOING IN BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC PATTERN WOULD NOT HAVE WORKED. AND SO I'M VERY COGNIZANT OF THOSE TYPE ITEMS AND OBVIOUSLY IT CAN ALSO MAKE YOUR BUSINESS MAKE OR BREAK AND WE WANT TO AND CITIZENS IN THE AREA HAPPY OR NOT, WHICH COULD ALSO MAKE YOUR BUSINESS MAKE OR BREAK. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF TABLING THIS AND OBTAINING AN UPDATED STUDY, HAVING OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS LOOK AT IT, AS WELL AS AN EXPANDED VIEW OF THE PATTERN. AND I THINK WHAT WHATEVER THE NUMBER THAT COMES BACK IS WHAT I WOULD SUPPORT FROM OUR EXPERTS AND SO FORTH. BUT I THINK IT BEHOOVES ALL OF US TO TABLE THIS TO DO RIGHT BY YOU ALL TO GET THE RIGHT NUMBERS. SO YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN LIVE WITH IT OR NOT IN YOUR BUSINESS AND AN HOUR MAY IMPACT YOUR BUSINESS PLAN. SO YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT PROBABLY BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD. [00:35:03] SO DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? CAN I ASK A QUESTION FOR JOEL FIRST REGARDING THE THE TRENT TRAFFIC? YES, JUST SO WE CAN GO INTO THE CIRCULATION PLAN. SO JOEL, DID WE HAPPEN TO LOOK TO SEE IF TRENT HAS ANY STACKING ISSUES ON ON THAT ROAD THERE? WE DIDN'T BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL WAY THE CIRCULATION PLAN WAS WRITTEN WAS THAT THE THERE WAS ONLY ONE PICKUP PERIOD AND IT WAS OCCURRING AT A TIME AFTER THE MIDDLE SCHOOL WAS DONE. OK, SO THEREFORE WE DID NOT LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE AT A MIDDLE SCHOOL, THE MORNING TRAFFIC ISN'T NEARLY AS BAD AS THE AFTERNOON BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING IN, DROPPING OFF AND LEAVING AFTERNOON. PEOPLE ARRIVE AND THEY WAIT AND THEY STACK AND THEY QUEUE, AND THEN THEY WAIT FOR THE KIDS TO COME TO THE CAR. SO IT'S MUCH MORE INTENSE. IN THE AFTERNOON, TRAFFIC WOULD BE BACKED UP ON THE ROAD IF IT IS GOING TO BE. SO NOW KNOWING THAT THERE'S TWO SESSIONS, IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THE TIME OF THE PICKUP OF THIS DOES NOT OCCUR AT THE SAME TIME THAT THERE BE TRAFFIC BACKED UP AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. OK. NO, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE I KNOW THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS GET DONE AT 3:45 AND I SIT IN THAT MIDDLE SCHOOL TRAFFIC EVERY DAY. RIGHT. SO AT THAT TIME, SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW WELL TRENT IS FLOWING ON AND OFF THEIR PROPERTY AND IF THERE IS BACK UP THERE AND IF IT WOULD CONFLICT, RIGHT, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE IF THIS GETS TABLED AND WE'RE GOING TO JUST HAVE TRAFFIC STUDY, THAT MAKES SENSE TO INCLUDE THAT, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT DO I HAVE A MOTION NOW? MOVE TO TABLE ITEM 16 TO THE FEBRUARY 22 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. STAFF, DO YOU HAVE DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION? I'LL SUGGEST YOUR MOTION WOULD BE IS TO TABLE AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE 22ND, AS YOU STATED. AND SO THE APPLICANT CAN SUBMIT A REVISED UPDATED CIRCULATION PLAN REFLECTING TO PICK UPS AND DROP OFFS AND TO LOOK AT CIRCULATION ON A LARGER PERSPECTIVE MIGHT REVISE MY MOTION MR. CHAIR, MOVE TO TABLE ITEM 16 AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE FEBRUARY 22ND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WITH THE CONDITION AS STATED BY MR. LITTLER. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOX. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE. ANY OPPOSE. MOTION CARRIES ITEM IS TABLED UNTIL FEBRUARY 22ND. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 17 PUBLIC HEARING ZONING. [17. Public Hearing - Zoning: Ritchey Gin Addition (Z21-0018)] ACTUALLY, BEFORE YOU, LORI, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER PEN? WE HAVE A PEN DIE UP HERE. TAKE NOTES. YOU MIGHT NEED IT ON THIS ONE. ITEM 17 PUBLIC HEARING ZONING RITCHEY GIN EDITIONS Z21-0018 OWNERS FRISCO COLOBUS LLC. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS A REQUEST TO RAISE DOWN THE PROPERTY SHOWN HERE FROM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OTC TOWNHOME TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT OTC THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ACCOMMODATE A SINGLE STORY BREWERY RESTAURANT IN A THREE STORY OFFICE BUILDING WITH STRUCTURED PARKING. AS SHOWN HERE, THE SOUTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE BREWERY RESTAURANT AND THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE OFFICE BUILDING WILL FRONT ONTO A CENTRAL OPEN SPACE FEATURE THAT WILL SERVE THE DEVELOPMENT. STAFF DOES FIND THAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED PLAN WITH THESE USES IS A DESIRABLE INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT COMPLEMENTS THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND PROVIDES A DESTINATION USE AT THE WEST END OF OLD DOWNTOWN. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS REQUEST DOES REMOVE ALL RESIDENTIAL ZONING FROM THIS PROPERTY, SO EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS COMMERCIAL USES ONLY. EXHIBIT E SHOWS THE TRADITIONAL VERNACULAR FOR THE BUILDINGS THAT COMPLEMENT THOSE BUILDINGS IN THE DOWNTOWN, AS WELL AS THOSE BUILDINGS THAT COMPLY WITH THE OTC ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. HERE YOU CAN SEE AN IMAGE OF THE BREWERY RESTAURANT. THE THREE STORY OFFICE BUILDING AND THE PARKING STRUCTURE. THE APPLICANT DID HOLD A PROPERTY OWNERS MEETING ON JANUARY 4TH OF THIS YEAR. THAT STAFF WAS IN ATTENDANCE AT. AT THAT MEETING, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT ATTENDED THAT POSED QUESTIONS RELATED TO TRAFFIC CRIME AND THE NATURE OF BREWERIES AND THEIR IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT. SO AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, SINCE THAT RESIDENT MEETING HAS TAKEN PLACE, STAFF HAS SPOKEN WITH TCEQ AND THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM TCEQ STATED THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH BREWERIES BEING ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES. SO TCEQ LOOKS AT THIS USE SIMILAR TO SOMETHING LIKE A BARBECUE ESTABLISHMENT THAT MAY HAVE A SMOKER. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THAT ANY EMISSIONS THAT MAY BE PRODUCED OR SO NEGLIGIBLE THAT THERE IS NO CONCERN ON THEIR END. [00:40:03] SINCE THAT MEETING STAFF HAS NOT HAD ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM ANY OF THE RESIDENTS, THE APPLICANTS REQUEST DOES COMPLY WITH THE FUTURE'S LAND USE PLAN AND IS AND THIS REQUEST IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TONIGHT, SUBJECT TO THE EXHIBIT B STANDARDS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE ASSOCIATED EXHIBITS. AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE. GO TO THE LAYOUT OF THE BUILDING REAL QUICK IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S LAID OUT. SO YOU HAVE THE GARAGE IN THE OFFICE BUILDING IS THERE. WHERE'S THE OFFICE BUILDING? THAT'S THE GARAGE. OK. THIS IS THE OFFICE BUILDING, SO THAT ACTUALLY KIND OF PROTECTS SOUTH. AND THEN IN THE BUILDING, THE BREWERY'S NORTH. THIS IS THE BREWERY. AND THEN YOU HAVE OPEN SPACE IN BETWEEN. YEAH. AND I REMEMBER THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD APPROVED A SIMILAR SIZED BUILDING PREVIOUS PROJECT ON THIS ON THIS LOCATION THAT WAS ABOUT A PARKING GARAGE IN IT. YES. SO THE WE DID SO THERE WAS THE ORIGINAL REQUEST THAT THE PROPERTY IS ZONED TODAY. THAT'S THE OTC THAT HAD THAT HAVE THE TOWNHOMES IN IT, AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS ZONED TODAY. AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ZONING REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ACTED ON THAT HAD AN OFFICE BUILDING FOR FIVE STORIES. I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY FIVE STORY OFFICE BUILDING THAT REQUEST WAS WITHDRAWN BEFORE IT EVER WENT TO ORDINANCE. OK, SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD APPROVED IT, BUT NEVER GOT THROUGH CITY CITY PROCESS THERE. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT'S WHY THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS STILL OTC TOWNHOME, AND THIS REQUEST REMOVES ALL RESIDENTIAL. YOU KNOW, JUST ONE THING TO ADD. COUNCIL DID APPROVE THE ZONING CASE, BUT THE APPLICANT WITHDREW IT BEFORE THE ORDINANCE BEFORE THE ORDINANCE WAS RELEASED. OK, THAT'S CORRECT. ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS? I HAVE A QUESTION JONATHAN, REGARDING THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. YOU SAID THAT THIS COMPLIES WITH IT, BUT IT DOESN'T. IT DOESN'T EXACTLY MATCH IT. SO CAN YOU KIND OF ELABORATE ON THAT? IT'S NOT COMPLETELY IT'S NOT EXACTLY MATCHING WHAT WAS IN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. IT CHANGES IT A LITTLE BIT. WELL, YES. SO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATES TOWN CENTER FOR THE PROPERTY. AND, YOU KNOW, TOWN CENTER DOES RECOGNIZE RECOMMEND A COMBINATION OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES. THIS DOES NOT HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL USES PER SAY, BUT YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF COMMERCIAL USES THE BREWERY THAT ENTERTAINMENT DESTINATION USE WITH OFFICE, WITH STRUCTURED PARKING, YOU KNOW, ALIGNS WITH THAT TOWN CENTER DISTRICT. SO HOW DO WE TYPICALLY HANDLE THESE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY WHAT WAS INTENDED FOR THE SITE, RIGHT? IT MEETS MOST OF THE INTENT OF IT. DO WE SAY THAT THAT COMPLIES WITH THE FUTURE LANGUAGE PLAN OR WE SAY IT'S A IT'S CLOSE TO IT AND WE'RE STILL WE THINK IT'S STILL A GOOD USE. LET ME GO AHEAD AND REPLY TO THAT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DOWNTOWN, IT'S A MIXTURE. IT'S A TRUE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, AND SO YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE PROPERTY OWNERS, SO YOU STILL HAVE RESIDENTIAL IN THE AREA. BUT FOR THIS PROPERTY, AS JONATHAN MENTIONED, IT'S A AMENITY FOR THE DOWNTOWN. IT FORMS AN ANCHOR DOWN HERE, WHICH HAS BEEN ABSENT BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET WEST OF REALLY FIFTH STREET, THERE'S NOT MUCH UNTIL YOU GET SUMMER MOON AND WITH A PLAZA COMING ALONG. BUT NOW THIS, THIS BECOMES A DRAW DOWN AT THE WESTERN END OF DOWNTOWN, SO THIS FITS INTO THE DOWNTOWN OF CREATING THAT ACTIVITY NODE. YEAH, NO, I DON'T DISAGREE AT ALL ON THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OK, IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND WOULD THEY CARE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS KRISTEN GRAHAM, I'M AT 305 WEST COLLEGE IN LEWISVILLE. I AM HERE. I AM THE APPLICANT AND I AM ALSO HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER WHO UNFORTUNATELY COULD NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING. I WANTED TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE PREVIOUS ZONING CASE WAS ACTUALLY IT WAS ABOUT TO GO TO COUNCIL AND WE WITHDREW IT BECAUSE IT WAS 100000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND WE DID NOT WANT TO. THIS WAS, I WANT TO SAY, MAYBE IN APRIL OF 2020 AND WE THOUGHT WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T ENTITLE ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE RIGHT NOW WHEN NO ONE IS WORKING IN AN OFFICE. SO THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THAT WITHDRAWAL. I WANTED TO MENTION BRIEFLY. I ALSO DID A LITTLE RESEARCH WITH THE TCEQ REQUIREMENTS FOR USES SUCH AS BREWERIES AND AND CLARIFIED WITH THE OWNER, WHO HAS BEEN SPEAKING WITH POTENTIAL TENANTS FOR THIS THE BREWERY ITSELF. TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHAT KIND OF VOLUME THIS IS A SMALL CRAFT BREWERY. THE AMOUNT THEY WILL BE PRODUCING IN A YEAR IS GOING TO BE LESS THAN THE DAILY ALLOTMENT [00:45:01] THAT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED BEFORE THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A TCU AIR PERMIT. SO IN THIS, IN THE SCALE OF THINGS, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN IS IS VERY NEGLIGIBLE FROM THE TCEQ PERSPECTIVE. AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO MENTION ONE MORE THING THE THE STRUCTURED PARKING IS I WANT TO SAY, IT'S MAYBE TWO TO THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT WE WERE REQUIRED, PER THE OTC PARKING STANDARDS TO PROVIDE. SO WE'RE HOPING TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PARKING ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCED IN IN THE AREA BY A LARGER THAN NECESSARY STRUCTURE. AND WITH THAT, OTHER THAN THAT, I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OK, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE MAY HAVE SOME AS WE MOVE FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG, SECOND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES FIVE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. I'M GOING TO ASK IF ANYBODY HAS COMMENTS, BUT I DO HAVE SOME, SOME FOLKS THAT ALREADY SIGNED UP. SO WE'LL START OUT WITH LYDIA COMPANERO. LET ME JUST ASK YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AS YOU COME UP. HI, MY NAME IS LYDIA COMANCHERO, I'M IN THE CORNER OF SECOND AND ELM, WHICH IS 6702 ELM, I'M RIGHT NEXT DOOR, WHICH WOULD BE THE FUTURE OF BREWERY. I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE THERE IS SO MANY LIKE REGARDING PARKING. I HEARD THAT SOMETHING WAS GOING TO BE MADE LIKE A ONE WAY AND WE ALREADY HAVE LIKE, IT'S NOT THE ITEM HERE, BUT WE HAVE OTHER LIKE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME ON SECOND AND ELM. WE HAVE A CHIROPRACTOR AND THEN WE HAVE HAYSTACK AT THE CORNER OF MAIN, AND I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOME BUILDING, NO PARKING ON MAIN STREET. THEY'RE GOING TO EXPAND AND STUFF. SO IT AFFECTS ME A LOT BECAUSE BEING AT THE CORNER, I TRY TO PARK AND I'VE TRIED TO COME TO THE CITY AND SPOKE TO PEOPLE REGARDING CAN I PUT A NO PARKING SIGN? ALL I WANT IS MY PARKING IN MY AREA. I'LL BE LIKE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, ALL THE PARKING FROM HEYSTEK. I'LL BE SHOWERING SOMETIMES IN THE EVENING AND THERE'S TRAFFIC LIKE THEY'LL TELL ME THIS IS NOT YOUR PROPERTY, THIS IS PUBLIC. AND I'M LIKE, OK, I'M NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO PUT A NO PARKING SIGN. ALTHOUGH, I MEAN, I'VE HAD U-TURNS RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER. I MEAN, I'M LIKE RIGHT NEXT DOOR, LIKE WITHIN LESS THAN 300 FEET. SO IT AFFECTS ME BOTH WAYS, YOU KNOW, ON EACH SIDE. AND I KNOW IT'S ZONING. THEY MAY, MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO TAKE MORE PARKING THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN MY PARKING. IT'S LIKE YOU CAN BARELY FIT A CAR AND YOU HAVE CARS LIKE NEXT TO ME. IT'LL BE LIKE SIX CARS ON ONE SIDE AND MY MAINLY I'M HAVING TO CHANGE ALL MY MAIL, MY MAIL ROUTE. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE IT JUST TO ACCOMMODATE BECAUSE MY MAIL IS NOT BEING DELIVERED FOR THE FACT THAT THERE'S PARKING. AND I TRIED TALKING TO POST OFFICE, CITY HALL AND EVEN AT THE PRIOR JANUARY 4TH MEETING, I SAID, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT MY PARKING AND STRUCTURE THIS. THEY SAY IT'S NOT BIG. I ASK THE LADY AND SAID OVER 200 PARKING. I SAID, OK, CAN YOU TELL THOSE PEOPLE TO PARK OVER THERE OR WHERE IS EVERYBODY GOING TO GO? I'M SEEING THE BUILDING AND IN FRONT OF IT. THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY PARKS RIGHT NOW, PRETTY MUCH FRONT SIDE EVERYWHERE TO GALLEGOS PARK ALL THE AREAS. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE THERE AND WE'RE HAVING TO PUT OUR TRASH CANS OR SOMETHING JUST TO GET A LEEWAY TO PARK. AND WITH ME, LIKE SAYING IN THE EVENING, IT'LL BE NINE O'CLOCK AND I'LL WAIT TILL ALL THE TRAFFIC IS GONE. YOU WANT TO SHOWER AND YOU HEAR PEOPLE AND YOU'RE PARKED. AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WHERE WE JUST TOUGH IT OUT. BUT WITH A BREWERY COMING IN, I WAS THE ONE THAT SPECIFIED LIKE ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE AIR, THE STUFF THAT GOES IN THERE DOWNTOWN. WE HAVE OTHER LOCATIONS. WHY NOT MOVE THEM OVER TO TOLLWAY TO LEGACY THREE OR ANYWHERE OTHER THAN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA? BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES AFFECT US A LOT, ESPECIALLY ME AT THE CORNER? YOU KNOW, THE OTHERS MAY, MAY NOT. BUT TO ME, IT REALLY MY EVERYDAY COMMUTE LIVING EVERYTHING MALE, EVERYTHING IS. AND I'VE TRIED SPEAKING TO, YOU KNOW, GOING PERSONALLY TO THE WHAT IS IT, THE CHIROPRACTOR OR THE HAYSTACK. AND THEY'RE LIKE, IT'S PUBLIC PROPERTY. AND IT'S LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE. SO IT'S BEEN ON MY MIND A LOT AND IT'S BEEN BOTHERING ME THAT SO I'M LIKE, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO BUILDING STUFF, BUT WOULDN'T IT BE SOMETHING SMALLER? SOMETHING WOULD BE BETTER OTHER THAN A BREWERY OF ALL THINGS, WE HAVE SO MUCH PROPERTY IN FRISCO THAT WHY BRING IT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA? I'M JUST SAYING AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN, I MEAN, I'M AFFECTED, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE GRAPH, BOTH WAYS AND ALL I'M TOLD IS YOU CAN'T PARK, YOU CAN'T PUT A SIGN. SO I MEAN, AND I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE CHANGES COMING UP IN THE PARKING AND STUFF. SO I'M KIND OF STUCK AT A DELI AND DO I WANT TO STAY HERE? DO I WANT TO MOVE? WHAT DO I WANT TO DO? SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. OK, THANK YOU. WE WILL ADDRESS SOME OF THAT AFTER OUR PUBLIC HEARING IS OVER. [00:50:04] ALL RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IT'S TRYING TO RESET IT. ALL RIGHT. ERIN ALEXANDER AND THEN MATT GALLOWAY. MY COMMENTS ARE LIKE, WHAT? OH, I'M SORRY IT WAS IT NOT ON ITEM 17. WHAT ITEM WAS AN ANSWER? I JUST HAVE. IT WAS RELATED ON THE 14 I WAS GOING FOR AFTER. OK, THAT'S FINE. WE'LL MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S MY FAULT. ALL RIGHT, MR. COLEMAN. I MEAN, I'M SORRY. MATT GALLOWAY. I SAID, COLEMAN, I DON'T KNOW. WHY IS IT THAT I EVEN KNOW YOU? MY NAME IS MATT CALLAWAY. I LIVE AT SEVEN, FIVE, FOUR SIX OAK STREET. I WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AND SHARE SOME INSIGHT THAT I HAVE ABOUT THIS PROJECT IN DOWNTOWN AS A WHOLE. SINCE 2011, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN DOWNTOWN FRISCO IN MULTIPLE CAPACITIES FROM A RESIDENT BUSINESS OWNER. MY MAIN BUSINESS IS A REAL ESTATE BROKERAGE. I PROBABLY SOLD OVER ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY PROPERTIES JUST WITHIN THESE 10 BLOCKS OF WHAT WE CALL THE RAIL DISTRICT NOW. THIS IS PRETTY DARN EXCITING IF YOU ASK ME. I'VE ALSO BEEN A PART OF THE DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD SINCE TWENTY FIFTEEN. ALSO PART OF THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN COMMITTEE. SINCE I KNOW SINCE I GOT ON THE DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD IN TWENTY FIFTEEN, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN ON THE LIST OF WHAT WE NEED IN OUR DOWNTOWN IS A MICROBREWERY AND, YOU KNOW, COFFEE SHOPS. THERE'S A LONG LIST OF THINGS THAT THANKFULLY NOW WE HAVE WE HAVE THREE, THREE INDEPENDENT COFFEE SHOPS, WE HAVE A BIKE SHOP, WE HAVE ALL THESE GREAT THINGS. SO. EVER SINCE BEFORE TWENTY FIFTEEN, LOOKING AT THE BOARD'S PLANS FROM TWO THOUSAND EIGHT, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN ON THERE AS WELL. IN ADDITION, IF YOU GO BACK TO TWENTY NINETEEN, VISIT FRISCO DID A SURVEY, WHY DID PEOPLE LEAVE FRISCO AND VISITING TUB'S BREWERY WAS THE NUMBER ONE RESPONSE, AND SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE THIS. I PERSONALLY KNOW THAT THE OWNER AND YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT THEY WENT BACK AND REINVENTED THIS SITE FOR THIS, I THINK, IS IS A TREMENDOUS APPLAUD TO THEM BECAUSE I REALLY THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A DESTINATION AND AN AMENITY FOR THE WHOLE CITY, BUT ALSO OUR DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE LOCATION. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE APPLICANT. I MEAN, NAC HAS DEVELOPED MULTIPLE PROJECTS IN THEIR PROJECTS ALONE, 18 NEW BUSINESSES. EIGHTEEN SINCE TWENTY TWENTY HAVE COME DOWNTOWN. THERE'S A BIG STORY ABOUT DOWNTOWN FRISCO. IT'S IT'S WINNING. AND EVEN IN TWENTY TWENTY, THERE WAS A DOZEN NEW BUSINESSES, MOSTLY ALL FROM FRISCO. SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS SET OUT THEIR AMERICAN DREAM TO OPEN A BUSINESS DOWNTOWN AND. MACK AND DONNIE CHURCHMAN HAVE PUT TOGETHER THOUGHTFUL PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME TO FRUITION. YOU LOOK AT THE PATIOS, YOU LOOK AT THE TOWER BUILDING UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW, WHICH WILL HAVE IS FULLY LEASED WITH FOUR NEW TENANTS. WE'VE GOT NEW RESTAURANTS. AND SO I JUST FEEL THAT LOOKING AT ALL THE LOTS IN DOWNTOWN FRISCO, I KNOW EVERY LOT AND BLOCK AND I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER SPOT FOR IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT A MICROBREWERY, WHICH IS A SMALL MICROBREWERY DOWNTOWN, I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER LOT. IF YOU LOOK FROM BASICALLY DOGWOOD TO THE RAILROAD TRACK MAPLE TO THE NORTH AND HICKORY TO THE SOUTH, I COULD BET I CANNOT ARGUE A BETTER PLACE BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION BEING AT FIRST AND MAIN EASY ACCESS, YOU KNOW, FOR TRAFFIC COMING OFF OF MAIN STREET. SO OUR HOPES OF HAVING THIS DESTINATION MICROBREWERY ASSET, I REALLY DON'T SEE IT ANYWHERE ELSE BUT THIS LOCATION. IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT ONE IN DOWNTOWN FRISCO, EVERYTHING TO THE NORTH IS ZONED OTTER. I UNDERSTAND HER CONCERNS, BUT I ALSO THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN THAT'S ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL, THAT WHOLE AREA WEST OF 5TH AND NORTH SOUTH OF MAINE IS ALREADY ZONED OTC. IF YOU LOOK AT ELM STREET, ALMOST EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY FROM ABOUT THIRD ON IS ALREADY A BUSINESS HOMES CONVERTED TO BUSINESSES OR, YOU KNOW, NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THE TRACK RECORD OF NAC, WE CAN ONLY WE KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A [00:55:01] QUALITY PROJECT, GOING TO COURT QUALITY TENANTS AND REALLY HELP ALL THE BUSINESSES. PROPERTY VALUES, WHICH MIGHT, I ADD, IS SOME OF THE HIGHEST IN ALL OF FRISCO. WE HAVE HOMES SELLING FOR OVER FOUR HUNDRED A SQUARE FOOT NOW. WE HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES SELLING FOR OVER SIX THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT. SO AN ASSET LIKE THIS IN OUR DOWNTOWN IS ONLY GOING TO ADD VALUE AND REALLY HELP PUT THE RAIL DISTRICT ON THE MAP AND FRISCO. IMAGINE THESE PEOPLE, IT HELPS BRIDGE THE GAP TO WITH FRISCO SQUARE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE STADIUM, IMAGINE THE PEOPLE WALKING TO THIS BREWERY. THE DESTINATION'S ASPECT OF THIS IS SO IMPORTANT, SO I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THIS HOPEFULLY AT COUNCIL. I HOPE TO HAVE THIS APPROVED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? SEEING KNOWN MOVE TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KELLY, SECOND, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR HIGH. ANY OPPOSE MOTION CARRIES FIVE-ZERO. I ACTUALLY WANT TO START OUT BY TALKING ABOUT THIS POPE. I SAY YOUR NAME PROPERLY, COMANCHERO. I UNDERSTAND YOUR ISSUE IN IN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE PARKING IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE AND NOT BEING ABLE TO GET YOUR MAIL. I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST FRUSTRATING THINGS NOT TO BE ABLE TO GET YOUR MAIL. THE ONE OF THE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN DOWNTOWN FRISCO IS GET PARKING SO PEOPLE AREN'T PARKING ON THE STREETS. AND WE DID IT ON THE OTHER ON THE NORTH END, ACTUALLY EAST END OF THE OF THE STRIP. AND THIS WOULD PROVIDE SOME PARKING ON THE SOUTH END SO THAT IF YOU DO GO TO HAYWIRE, YOU'RE GOING TO PARK IN THE PARKING GARAGE AND THE SIGNS WILL START POINTING YOU TO PARKING GARAGES IS REALLY THE OBJECTIVE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM PARKING AND WE DON'T WANT FOLKS PARKING IN FRONT OF YOUR IN FRONT OF YOUR, HOUSE. AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION AND CONCERNS. THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY THAT WAS APPROVED HERE ACTUALLY WAS MUCH BIGGER HAD MORE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT BECAUSE IT WAS A FIVE STORY OFFICE BUILDING THIS. I DON'T THINK THIS WILL INCREASE THE THE THE DAYTIME TRAFFIC. I THINK IT WILL INCREASE OR MAYBE NIGHTTIME TRAFFIC, BUT THERE WILL BE PARKING AND BETTER SIGNAGE AROUND THAT IF THIS GETS APPROVED. BUT THAT'S ONE OF OUR OBJECTIVES ALL UP AND DOWN DOWNTOWN FRISCO IS TO FIND BETTER PARKING AVENUES FOR OUR CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS, SO IT DOES NOT IMPACT THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE DOWN THERE. AND WE DO TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY AS PART OF OUR MASTER DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN AND THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN I ATTENDED THE ADVISORY BOARD. SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND WE DO TAKE YOUR COMMENTS VERY SERIOUS THAT THE SOLUTIONS HAVE TO BE BIGGER THAN JUST ONE COMPANY, ONE LOCATION, ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT HAS TO BE A BIGGER SOLUTION AND THAT WILL HOPEFULLY HAVE PARKING ON THE WEST, CENTRAL AND EAST SIDE OF DOWNTOWN FRISCO. IT IS AN AREA THAT WILL WILL CONTINUE TO BE FOCUSED ON AS A AS A CITY, AND I THINK THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT FITS WELL ON THIS CORNER. THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT CORNER TO DEVELOP BECAUSE THE CURVE RIGHT THERE. OTHER THINGS, IT'S JUST VERY DIFFICULT. I THINK THIS IS A PERFECT LOCATION FOR THE MICROBREW BECAUSE IT DOES CONNECT FRISCO SQUARE AND MOST OF THAT'S WALKING. THAT'S PEOPLE WALK INTO THE MICROBREW AND IN THE DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS WALKING OVER HERE. NOW, FOLKS LIKE ME THAT LIVE TWO MILES AWAY WOULD PROBABLY BE RIDING, BUT I'M LOOKING FOR PARKING GARAGES IN DOWNTOWN TO SOLVE SOME OF THESE THINGS. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANT TO ADDRESS THAT WE ARE LISTENING. WE UNDERSTAND IT'S A BIG PROBLEM, BUT IT HAS TO HAVE A BIG SOLUTION, AND I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF IT. AND THEN I'M JUST GOING TO OPEN IT UP FOR COMMENTS QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. I KNOW THE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS DEALING WITH SOME FAMILY ISSUES, SO. PRAYERS AND THOUGHTS WITH HIM AND HIS FAMILY. THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AROUND THE PARKING AS THE CHAIR WAS MENTIONING. SO ON THE PLAN IT SHOWS TWO LITTLE OVER TWO HUNDRED SPACES IN THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL GARAGE. IS THAT TWO INDOOR AND THEN A THIRD UP TOP TO EQUAL THE TWO HUNDRED? IS THAT HOW THAT'S CALCULATED? SO YES, THAT'S ALL OF IT TOGETHER. SO THE TOP IS WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE THE TOP LEVEL, THE TOP IS OUTSIDE AND THE TWO [01:00:03] UNDERNEATH. RIGHT? SO THERE'S THREE FULL LEVELS. TWO ARE COVERED. ONE IS NOT. GOT IT. AND THEN IT APPEARS TO ME AN ENTRANCE TO THE PARKING GARAGE IS ON ELM, SO PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE PARKING GARAGE AND BE EASILY GET IN THERE, WHEN THEY COULD ALTERNATELY PARK NEXT TO THE RESIDENT'S PROPERTY, THEY CAN EASILY SEE THAT, HEY, THERE IS A GARAGE HERE, AND SO THERE WILL BE SIGNS, HOPEFULLY SAYING, HEY PARK HERE AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET YOUR CAR HAILED ON WHEN IT HAILS, FOR EXAMPLE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, WE SHOULD HAVE ADEQUATE SIGNAGE, AND I THINK THE JUST THE FACT THAT WE HAVE, IT'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURE THERE. I PERSONALLY WOULD FEEL SAFER WITH MY CAR PARKED IN THE STRUCTURE INSTEAD OF ON THE SIDE OF A KIND OF NARROW STREET THAT WHERE IT COULD POSSIBLY GET SIDESWIPED. SO I FEEL LIKE THE NATURAL INCLINATION IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO PARK IN THE GARAGE. GOT IT. AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT ONE MORE QUESTION IS ON THE I'M GOING TO ON THE NORTH SIDE ALONG MAINS HERE. THE PROPERTY LINE IS HERE. IT APPEARS THE WALL TO THE BUILDING IS HERE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ALSO, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO CREATE SOME CONNECTIVITY TO SEE I USE CONNECTIVITY. STEVE, I THOUGHT YOU'D ENJOY THAT DOWNTOWN. YEAH, BUT IS TO CREATE CONNECTIVITY TO OUR ACTUAL FRISCO SQUARE WHERE WE ARE TODAY. IS THERE ANY PLAN TO AMENITIZE THAT? SO YOU'RE NOT WALKING BY JUST JUST MASONRY OR WHAT WILL IT? WHAT IS THE DESIGN? I KNOW IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, WE CAN'T NAIL IT DOWN, BUT WHAT IS THE DESIGN FOR THAT SO PEOPLE CAN FEEL FREE TO WALK AND SAFE TO WALK THAT AREA? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ON THE FRISCO SQUARE FRONTAGE? ON THE FRISCO SQUARE FRONTAGE YES, MA'AM. OK. IS THAT IS THAT? CAN YOU BUILD? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE BUILDING IS GOING TO LOOK AT, WHAT THE BUILDING WILL LOOK LIKE, SO IT'S MORE INVITING THAN..SO THIS IS THE NORTH. IS THAT THE NORTH ENTRANCE? THE BUILDING OF NORTH ELEVATION, WHICH FACES FRISCO SQUARE BOULEVARD. OK, SO IT WILL BE INVITING? I MISSED THAT FROM THE ELEVATION. AND THEN SO THAT'S SORRY. SORRY. THAT'S THE BUILDING ITSELF. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE WIDE SIDEWALKS WITH THE TREES. YOU KNOW THAT WE TYPICALLY GET THAT. THAT'LL BE HERE AS WELL. OK. APPRECIATE IT. WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A WIDER SIDEWALK THERE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BURY A UTILITY LINE THERE. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE THE BUILDING BACK SOME FOR THAT. SO I CAN SEE PROBABLY INCORPORATING SOME POTTED PLANTS AND THINGS TO JUST TO KIND OF MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S NOT A VAST SEA OF CONCRETE. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH, WHICH WE CAN GET DOWN HERE AND WE'RE TRYING TO RELIEVE THAT AS WELL. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING TO THE WEST WHO WILL PROBABLY WANT TO VISIT THIS AND AND THEY CAN WALK THAT WAY RATHER THAN MOVING THEIR CARS. THANK YOU. AND WHILE YOU'RE STILL UP THERE, I THINK THERE'S A WALK THROUGH BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS, CORRECT? DOESN'T IT LOOK LIKE? YES, SIR. HOW DO I HOW DO I GET BACK TO THAT? JONATHAN? NOW THAT IS SO RIGHT HERE, THAT'S PASSAGEWAY THERE, RIGHT? YES, SO THAT IS A IT IS A PEDESTRIAN, A PEDESTRIAN PLAZA, BUT IT WILL DOUBLE AS AN EMERGENCY FIRE ACCESS LANE ACCESSIBLE FROM THE WEST FROM BOTH ENDS, THE EAST AND THE WEST. OK, THANK YOU. ME COBBLESTONE SOMETHING ON THE... WE WILL HAVE SOME SPECIALTY PAVING RIGHT NOW. WE'RE SHOWING SOME BRICK BANDING THROUGH THERE AND AND SOME OF THE DIFFERENT HARD ESCAPE. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT ALL EACH OF THEM ARE. IT WON'T BE SOLID. IT WILL BE BANDED MUCH LIKE THE SIDEWALKS IN FRONT OF THE PATIOS. IF YOU RECALL HOW THOSE LOOK, THERE'S KIND OF THE THE STRIPS OF THE BRICK AS YOU WALK THROUGH. SO IT'S NOT JUST CONCRETE. YEAH. NO, NO. I WOULD ACTUALLY LOVE INTEGRATED BRICK. CONCRETE GRASS THERE, YOU KNOW, OLD SCHOOL LOOKING, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF FILLING INTO THAT BREWERY PART OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A PROMENADE WALKWAY, BUT SOME WANT THAT MAKE IT REALLY. I THINK THAT IF YOU MAKE THAT LOOK LIKE IT'S PART OF THE OPEN SPACE, IT'LL BE REALLY NICE. YEAH, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT NEEDS TO BE HARD SCAPE. AS KRISTIN POINTED OUT, THAT WILL BE EMERGENCY ACCESS. SO IT HAS TO MEET FIRE LANE AND IT CANNOT BE CALLED A STONE JUST FOR BECAUSE OF ADA. GOTCHA. WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M NOT A DESIGNER. SO ON EXHIBIT DAY, JUST TO REITERATE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT KRISTIN SAID, THERE IS THE EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY FIRE LANE THAT CUTS THROUGH THERE. BUT THIS WHOLE AREA HERE IS THE APPLICANT'S OPEN SPACE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, AND I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE HERE. [01:05:01] BUT SEVERAL OF THESE HATCHES ON HERE ARE LABELS FOR ENHANCED PAVEMENT, AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF ENHANCED PAVEMENT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE OPEN SPACE AREA. SO, AS KRISTEN SAID, IT'S NOT ALL CONCRETE. SO THEY DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY'RE OUTSIDE THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY FIRE LANE. AN EXCELLENT THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS I WANT TO ADD ON SOME MORE QUESTIONS AROUND THE PARKING AND NOT TO MISUNDERSTAND THIS, I'M I'M ALL FOR THE PROJECT. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT ADDITION TO DOWNTOWN IF IT PASSES. I THINK THE PARKING GARAGE IS GOING TO BE GREAT. MY QUESTION IS AROUND AND I'M GOING BACK TO THE PARKING ON THE STREET, ASSUMING THERE'S THIS IS GOING TO BE A POPULAR DESTINATION AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME CROWD GOING DOWNTOWN. I KNOW THAT EVEN WITH THE EXISTING BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOWNTOWN NOW AND DURING THEIR POPULAR TIMES, PARKING ALONG 2ND STREET AND HATFIELD STREET ALONG THOSE HOMES BECOMES AN ISSUE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE NOW, WE'RE PUTTING IN THIS THIS WILL SAY POPULAR DESTINATION SPOT ACROSS FOR SOME FROM SOME OTHER RESIDENTIAL AREAS DOWN THERE. ARE THERE RESTRICTIONS FOR PARKING ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDES OF THOSE STREETS NOW? AND IF THERE ARE, ARE THEY ENFORCEABLE? NO THERE'S NOT ANY RESTRICTIONS RIGHT NOW. THAT AREA IS JUST ASPHALT AND BAR DITCHES, SO PART OF THE PLAN FOR IMPROVING DOWNTOWN IS RECONSTRUCTING ELM STREET TO CONCRETE, CURB AND GUTTER FROM FIRST STREET OVER TO SOUTH COUNTY LINE ROAD. AND SO THAT PARKING IS AVAILABLE FOR ANYBODY. BUT ONCE YOU START RESTRICTING PARKING, THAT CREATES A PARKING PROBLEM ON ITS OWN. I'LL SAY JILL IS GETTING UP, SO I'LL LET JILL ADD. WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING THE STRUCTURE DOWN HERE, AND IT WOULD MAKE LOGICAL SENSE THAT PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO PARK IN THE STRUCTURE AS OPPOSED TO ON THE STREET IN FRONT OF SOMEONE'S HOME. THAT ALL SOUNDS GREAT. BUT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN NOW DOWNTOWN, JUST BECAUSE THE PARKING IS SO RESTRICTED, SO PEOPLE PARK WHERE THEY CAN PARK. AND I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED IF WE HAVE A POPULAR DESTINATION LIKE WE HOPE THIS THING IS WE HAVE 200 PARKING SPOTS IN THE GARAGE. THAT'S GREAT. BUT IF I JUST WANT TO GO IN AND DROP IN FOR A FEW MINUTES, THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS I WON'T PARK IN FRONT OF THIS LADY'S HOUSE RUN INSIDE AND HAVE A DRINK. SO THERE'S NO RESTRICTIONS THERE, FROM WHAT I HEAR. THEY'RE COMING MAYBE AS WE REDO ELM STREET. IS THAT RIGHT? NO, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS FOR THE PUBLIC, WE DON'T RESERVE THE PARKING SPACES IN FRONT OF YOUR HOME, REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU LIVE ANYWHERE IN THE CITY. THE STREET IN FRONT OF YOU IS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND THAT PARKING IS NOT RESERVED FOR YOU. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S LIKE IF YOU LIVE IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, YOUR NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET MIGHT PARK THERE. SOMEONE TWO BLOCKS OVER MIGHT PARK THERE. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO SAY THAT THIS PARKING IS FOR THE PERSON WHO LIVES THERE. THAT'S THAT'S TRUE ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY. WE DO NOT RESERVE PARKING ALONG PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY FOR SPECIFIC HOUSES. THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE GARBAGE PICKUP, MAIL DROP OFF THOSE KIND OF THINGS. ENTRANCE INTO MY DRIVEWAY, IF I HAVE A DRIVEWAY THERE. THOSE ARE CORRECT, THOSE ARE STATE LAW THINGS ACTUALLY TOO. SO, FOR INSTANCE, YOU CANNOT PARK AND BLOCK SOMEONE'S DRIVEWAY. YOU CAN'T PARK AND BLOCK A MAILBOX. AND SO WHEN THE RECONSTRUCTION OF ELM OCCURS, THERE'S GOING TO BE DEFINED PARKING SPACES THAT ARE LIKE CUT OUTS. SO I MEAN, THIS IS NOT AT ALL TO SCALE, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE CUTOUTS ALONG THE ROAD LIKE THAT. AGAIN, IT'S HARD TO DRAW. THERE MIGHT BE LIKE TWO OR THREE SPACES IN THIS AREA THAT I'VE DRAWN. AND THEN IN THE IN THE BUMP OUT IN BETWEEN, THAT'S WHERE THE MAILBOX WOULD BE SO THAT IT WOULDN'T BLOCK, YOU KNOW, THE MAILBOX WOULD BE HERE SO THAT THERE'D BE NO PARKING THAT WOULD BLOCK IT. ONCE THE ROAD IS RECONSTRUCTED AND GIVEN MORE FORM AND SPECIFIC LAYOUT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST KIND OF UNDEFINED, THE ENTIRE LENGTH IS.. WHAT PEOPLE DO NOW. WHAT DID YOU SAY? WHAT WOULD PEOPLE DO NOW DOWNTOWN? SO IF WE MOVE THIS, I LIKE YOUR IDEA HERE WHAT YOU'VE DRAWN, IF WE TAKE THAT AND MOVE THAT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES THERE. WHAT? THEY DON'T HAVE THAT NOW, SO WHAT DO THEY DO NOW? WELL, SO OUR CONSTRUCTION, OUR RECONSTRUCTION OF ELM STREET ACTUALLY STARTS IN ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS. SO IT'S COMING TO WHERE THE DEFINED PARKING IS GOING TO OCCUR. AND AGAIN, I'M MAKING A BIG MESS OF THIS, BUT IT'S IT'S GOING TO OCCUR ALL ALONG ELM ALL THROUGHOUT HERE AND IT'S GOING TO BE THERE BEFORE THIS PROJECT IS THERE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND JUST JOEL, THAT'S ILLUSTRATIVE. THE BUMP OUTS MAY BE IN DIFFERENT PLACES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC, CORRECT? [01:10:01] YEAH. SO IT DEPENDS ON WHERE DRIVEWAYS ARE. IT DEPENDS ON YEAH. THAT'S A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING, BUT IT WILL BE ACCOMMODATED. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH, YEAH. DRIVEWAYS WILL BE ACCOMMODATED, THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, IN MAILBOXES, MAILBOXES WILL BE MOVED TO THE RIGHT SPOT. THAT CAN WORK. YOU KNOW, IT WON'T BE BEHIND WHAT THOSE NEW PARKING SPOTS. IT'LL BE SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE'S NOT A PARKING SPOT, SO MAILBOXES WILL NEED TO MOVE LEFT OR RIGHT IN ORDER TO BE IN THE RIGHT PLACE. I JUST I WOULD DO THIS AND SOME OF OUR FRONT END FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME PROJECTS WHERE YOU GET PAIRED DRIVEWAYS, PUT THE MAILBOX THERE AND MAKES IT CONVENIENT FOR THE POSTAL CARRIER TO REACH THE MAILBOX. THAT'S JOEL, THE QUESTION, ALWAYS, ALWAYS UP THERE. FOLLOWING ON WITH THAT, AS A GENERAL RULE, WE THE PUBLIC STREET OUT IN FRONT OF A HOUSE IS THE PUBLIC STREET, AND THAT MAKES PERFECTLY GOOD SENSE FOR FOUR PEOPLE THAT HAVE DRIVEWAYS. MM HMM. DO WE HAVE ANY EXCEPTIONS IN TOWN OR HAVE WE MADE EXCEPTIONS FOR HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT 70 YEARS AGO THAT DO NOT HAVE A DRIVEWAY AT ALL IN THEIR ONLY PARKING FOR THAT LOT IS THE STREET IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE? NO, WE DON'T. WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXCEPTIONS ANYWHERE. OK. BUT I COULD SEE WHERE IF I WAS A RESIDENT HERE AND I DID NOT HAVE A DRIVEWAY AT ALL BECAUSE MY HOUSE WAS BUILT LONG BEFORE THE CODES REQUIRED THAT THAT I'M IN A UNIQUE SITUATION DIFFERENT THAN THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DRIVEWAYS. OK, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT. I THINK IT WOULD BE UNIQUE, BUT I THINK UNLESS YOU LIVED IN THAT HOUSE FOR 70 YEARS. IF YOU BOUGHT THAT HOUSE 70 YEARS AGO AND THEN YOU LIVED THERE THE ENTIRE TIME, I THINK YOU DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO FIGHT THAT. BUT WHEN YOU BUY A BUY OR LIVE IN A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH THOSE LIMITATIONS ALREADY IMPOSED, I MEAN, YOU TAKE THAT ON AS PART OF YOUR YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF THAT PROPERTY AS YOUR LOCATION. WE'RE HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM WITH AIRBNB. YES, YOU DO THAT NOW. YOU TAKE THAT ON IF YOU BUY THAT PROPERTY NOW. AND THAT'S THE ONLY PARKING AND I KNOW THAT'S THE ONLY PARKING, BUT IS THAT IS, DOES IT HAVE TO STAY THAT WAY? THAT'S THESE HOUSES DO NOT HAVE DRIVEWAYS. THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY PLACE TO PARK OTHER THAN IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE, THEIR OWN VEHICLES. SO WHAT ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO? I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE. I'M JUST SAYING THAT BASED OFF THE CURRENT LAW, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE. IT'S JUST LIKE KNOWING WHAT WHAT YOU'RE BUYING BEHIND YOUR HOUSE OR WHAT'S GOING KNOW WHAT'S ZONE NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING AS WE REDO THE ELM STREET PROJECT. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THAT CONSIDERATION. I THINK BOB WOULD TELL YOU THE ENGINEERING IS IS DOING THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, THE MAIN THING IS IT'S IMPROVING ELM STREET. AND I KNOW YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH ELM STREET AND IT'S IT NEEDS WORK. IT'S TIGHT. THESE HOMES WERE BUILT BEFORE EVEN GARAGES WERE REQUIRED. AND SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, GIVE AND TAKE. BUT ELM STREET NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED TO BENEFIT ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE DOWNTOWN. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANY OF THAT AT ALL. I'M JUST SAYING AS WE DO THAT IMPROVEMENT, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CONSIDERATION TO THESE OLDER RESIDENTS THAT DON'T HAVE THE GARAGES THAT DON'T HAVE THE DRIVEWAYS AS WE DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, AND I'M ASSUMING MAYBE ENGINEERING IS TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT, SO I'LL WAIT TO SEE WHAT THAT TURNS OUT TO BE. SO BASICALLY, WHAT YOU WOULD STATE, MAYBE PARKING BY PERMIT WHERE CERTAIN SPOTS AND THAT ARE STATED. BASED OFF CONDITIONS FROM 70 YEARS AGO MIGHT BE PERMITTABLE. TO FOLLOW ON WITH THAT, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER MORGAN AND CHAIRMAN COX, YOU KNOW, THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE LOOKING AS IT IS FIVE YEARS AGO, 10 YEARS AGO, WHENEVER IT WAS. BUT AS WE CHANGE THE ZONING AROUND THEM, THAT'S THE SAME THING WE DO IN ANY PART OF TOWN IS WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES FOR PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT A HOUSE UNDER A CERTAIN SET OF CONDITIONS, AND NOW WE CHANGE THE CONDITIONS AROUND THEM. YEAH. SO I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MENTIONED AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT CITIZEN COMING OUT TO BRING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. YEAH, I GUESS MY MY POINT HERE. THE PROBLEM EXISTS TODAY, RIGHT? YES, WE'RE REQUIRING EVERY REQUIRING, BUT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IS ACTUALLY TRYING TO ADDRESS IT. IN ADDITION TO THE ELM STREET. SO I DON'T THINK I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT'S ADDING TO THE PROBLEM. I THINK THE PROBLEM DOESN'T GO AWAY. IF IF THIS PLACE DOESN'T COME, I AGREE WE SHOULD ENFORCE THE CURRENT ZONING COULD BE WORSE. SO UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE THERE, THE ZONING THAT'S THERE TODAY. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE TAKING SOMETHING THAT HAS NO VEHICLES COMING TO IT. WE'RE TAKING SOMEONE'S ALREADY ZONED. AND SO REMEMBER THAT HOW MANY TOWN HOMES BECAUSE YOU PUT ON THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION IN THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD GO IN THERE? IT CAN BE PRETTY, PRETTY BIG. SO CAN I FOLLOW UP ON THE ON THE PARKING BACK TO WHAT MR. MORGAN SAID? AND THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT, A QUESTION ABOUT THE [01:15:05] PARKING STRUCTURE. DO YOU HAVE ANY SPACES DEDICATED FOR OVERSIZE VEHICLES INSIDE THE STRUCTURE FOR OVERSIZE BEING MORE THAN JUST THE STANDARD NINE BY 18? I'M THINKING TYPICAL TEXAS PICKUP TRUCK THAT STRUGGLES TO FIT INSIDE SOME OF OUR SMALLER, STRUCTURED PARKING, SO WE HAVEN'T FULLY DESIGNED THE I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED IT DOWN TO THE SPACE YET. I CAN TELL YOU, I WAS CONSERVATIVE WHENEVER I WAS DOING THIS DESIGN AND LEAVING MORE LANDING SPACE THAN NORMAL BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH. ONCE THE STRUCTURE IS DESIGNED ITSELF, THERE WILL BE COLUMNS AND THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PARKING COUNT THAT WE COMMITTED TO IN THE ZONING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET THAT ONCE WE ACTUALLY WENT INTO DESIGN. SO WE HAVE NOT DESIGNED ANY OF THE SPACES TO THAT DEGREE YET. WE'VE JUST COMMITTED TO THE STANDARD PARKING SPACES. THERE ARE NO COMPACT SPACES IN THERE. AND ONE THING I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ABOUT THE PARKING REALLY QUICKLY, TOO, IS THAT WITH THE DESIGN OF THE SITE, THE INTENT IS TO HAVE. SO THE BREWERY AND RESTAURANT ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE OF A NIGHT AND WEEKEND PEAK BASE. THE OFFICE IS GOING TO HAVE A DAYTIME WEEKDAY, SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THERE WILL BE SOME OFFSET IN THE PEAK DEMANDS ON THE PARKING FOR EACH OF THE USES AND THAT THAT WILL HELP BALANCE OUT THE PARKING AS WELL. SO I'M REALLY THINKING THAT IT'S GOING TO HELP TAKE A LOT OF THE CARS OFF THE STREET. MR. BACK TO YOU TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE MORE DIRECT, YES, PLEASE. WE HAVE ANOTHER PARKING STRUCTURE IN DOWNTOWN AND IT'S REALLY TIGHT FOR LARGE VEHICLES, SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE FOR SMALL VEHICLES. YES, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO REVISIT THAT PROPERTY AND LET'S MAKE THIS PARKING GARAGE EASIER FOR ALL OF YOU. THERE WERE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THAT PARKING GARAGE THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THE DESIGN ON THIS ONE. YES, THANK YOU. THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. ONE THING I WANT TO ADD JUST PUT THINGS PERSPECTIVE. YOU PUT THIS ZONING CASE ASIDE, AND WITH THE CURRENT ZONING IN PLACE, THEN THEY COULD HAVE DONE A FOUR STOREY BUILDING ON THIS OFFICE RETAIL COMBINATION OF THE TWO. THIS WOULD BE BEFORE YOU AS A SITE PLAN TO. IF IT MET THE REQUIREMENTS, THEN YOU WOULD BE APPROVING IT. BUT THE ONLY REASON IS TO DO THIS PARTICULAR USE TO SO AND KEEP THAT IN MIND. COME BACK AND CLARIFY I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT AT ALL. I LOVE THE PROJECT. I LOVE THE CONCEPT. I LOVE THE PARKING THAT THEY'RE BRINGING DOWNTOWN. I JUST HAVE SOME SENSITIVITY TO THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS THERE AND THE ISSUES THAT THEY ALREADY FACE. THIS DOESN'T DIRECTLY SOLVE THEM, I DO THINK IT PROVIDES A VERY FEASIBLE SOLUTION, BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE THE RESIDENTS ANY TEETH TO ADDRESS THEIR ISSUES NOW. AND NOT THAT IT WOULD, BUT I'M SENSITIVE TO THAT, SO I APPRECIATE THEM BRINGING THAT UP. SO IF I CAN JUST ADD ON SO JOHN, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS BODY HAS AUTHORITY FOR PARKING RULES. WHAT WHAT BODY WOULD HAVE AUTHORITY FOR PARKING RULES? SO SO JUST TO GIVE THE RESIDENT WHO CAME? WHERE WHERE IS HER OUTLET IF SHE WANTS TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL IDEAS AND THOUGHTS ON ON HOW TO HOW TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION? WELL, LET ME CLARIFY THAT. ARE YOU JUST TALKING FROM THE RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT, THE RESIDENTIAL, IF ONE IDEA, FOR EXAMPLE, IS TO, I THINK THE CHAIR MENTIONED, PROVIDE SOME SORT OF ZONED PARKING IF THAT'S PERMITTED TYPE PERMITTED TYPE PARKING BETTER SAID THANK YOU. WELL, STARTING WITH JILL AND ENGINEERING. BUT AGAIN, AS JILL MENTIONED, I MEAN, WHEN IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, IT'S OPEN TO ANYBODY. I MEAN, THAT'S TRUE IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO TRYING TO DO A PARKING ZONE? THE IDEA SEEMS GREAT, BUT THE OTHER SIDE IS ENFORCEMENT. AND HOW DO YOU KNOW WHICH CAR BELONGS TO WHO? IT'S A VISITOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SOMEBODY HAS A PARTY AT THEIR HOUSE, AND SO THEY MAY TAKE UP QUITE A FEW SPACES. AND HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH THAT? IT BECOMES VERY PROBLEMATIC. AND WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM DOWN THE FRISCO SQUARE. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE 30 MINUTE PARKING TO OUR PARKING. YEAH, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING? THERE IS SOME OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THEY CHARGE EXTRA TO PARKING THE GARAGE. SO WE HAD A MEETING WITH THEM ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO AND TALK ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING THINGS UP SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE, BUT ALSO FREEING UP THE PARKING FOR THE BUSINESSES ALONG CERTAIN ROADWAYS. SO, ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. AND WHILE SHE'S GOING, COME THERE, THEY JUST WANT TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER MORGAN. I LIKE THE PROJECT. I'M JUST BRINGING UP CONCERNS THAT YOU CAN BOTH LIKE A PROJECT AND WE COULD ALSO HAVE [01:20:02] REGRETS, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE THAT THE OVERSIZE VEHICLES ARE STILL SPILLING OVER ALL OVER AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN WE'RE THE CITY IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION TO IT. SO WHATEVER YOU CAN DO ON THE PARKING GARAGE TO ACCOMMODATE AS MANY TYPES OF VEHICLES AS POSSIBLE AND ENTICE THEM TO WANT TO COME THERE, I THINK THAT'S GREAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID EARLIER ABOUT LESSONS LEARNED. SECONDARY QUESTION A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN SAID THIS AT ALL, BUT I DO HAVE MORE AND MORE CONCERN ABOUT US PRESERVING THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S DOWNTOWN. AND SO I LIKE THE PROJECT AS IT IS. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, THOUGH, WHAT CAUSED YOU GUYS TO NOT WANT TO INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL IN SOMEWHERE IN THE PROJECT? WHY WE DECIDED TO MOVE AWAY? WE DO HAVE 20 TOWN HOMES, ENTITLED ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW AND WHY WE DECIDED TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT? YOU KNOW WHAT, TOWNHOMES OR CONVERTING INTO SOME OTHER KIND OF RESIDENTIAL THAT MATCHED WITH THE NEW SITE PLAN? DID YOU ALL LOOK AT ANY OTHER ADDING RESIDENTIAL? WE WOULD. I THINK IF WE CONVERTED IT FROM ANY TO ANY OTHER TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL, WE WOULD HAVE TO REDO THE PD AS WELL. SO I'M NOT THE DEVELOPER I CAN'T SPEAK FOR. YOU KNOW, HE TELLS ME WHAT HE WANTS TO BUILD AND I, I LAY IT OUT FOR HIM. ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT THAT HE DEEMS THIS TO BE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THE PROPERTY. OK, THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER. AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, I CAN AGREE TO THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE TIMES WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO FOLLOW THE FUTURE OF LAND USE PLAN EXACTLY AS IT WAS CREATED. AND WE MAY BE GIVING UP RESIDENTIAL, BUT GETTING SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS BETTER. I THINK WE SHOULD BE COGNIZANT OF THAT, THAT EACH TIME, YOU KNOW, IF THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN SAYS THIS IS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL TOGETHER, THAT WE DECIDED THAT GOING STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE IS BETTER, THAT'S FINE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? I HAVE A COMMENT. EXCELLENT. I JUST WANT TO SAY HOW EXCITED I AM ABOUT THIS AS A RAIL DISTRICT RESIDENT AND SEEING JUST THE CONNECTIVITY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BETWEEN FRISCO SQUARE AND THE RAIL DISTRICT. I THINK THIS IS KEY. AND TO HAVE A BREWERY HERE AND KNOWING I LOVE HOW MATT SAID THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN THOUGHTFUL IN THEIR PROJECTS, SEEING WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY DONE WITH DOWNTOWN FRISCO AND CREATING JUST THIS VISION TURNED TO REALITY HAS BEEN REALLY COOL. SO I HIGHLY SUPPORT IT FOR MULTIPLE REASONS AND THAT WE'LL BE TAKING OUR GOLF CART DOWN THERE. EXCELLENT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS POINT? I DON'T GET TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK RESPECTING THE CITIZENS CONCERNS ON PARKING. I DO THINK THE ANSWERS ARE BIG, BIG ANSWERS, AND I THINK HAVING A PARKING GARAGE ON THE ON THIS END OF DOWNTOWN IS PART OF THAT BIG PLAN. ELM STREET CHANGES ARE PART OF THAT BIG PLAN BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST [INAUDIBLE], IT'S THERE'S A LOT OF CITIZENS THAT HAVE THIS CHALLENGE DOWNTOWN. BUT TO GET BETTER, WE HAVE TO MAKE BIG CHANGES AND I THINK THIS IS PART OF IT. I THINK PART OF THE REVITALIZATION OF DOWNTOWN AND REALLY KEEPING THE VIBE GOING AND THIS IS THIS IS A GREAT ADDITION TO IT. AND SO I WOULD BE SUPPORTING AND IF I GOT TO VOTE TONIGHT. BUT WHAT I GET TO DO NOW IS ASK, IF DO I HAVE A MOTION? YEAH, BEFORE THE MOTION, I'D JUST LIKE TO STATE THEIR DIFFERENT OPTIONS DOWN, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TALK TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN CITY HALL. AS FOR OTHER OPTIONS FOR PARKING, YOU HEARD SOME TONIGHT. WE CANNOT ACT ON THOSE, BUT THERE THEY'RE ADDITIONAL IDEAS OUT THERE THAT MAY BE BENEFICIAL TO YOU AS A AS A RESIDENT HOMEOWNER IN THAT AREA. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS TONIGHT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 17, SUBJECT TO THE EXHIBIT B STANDARDS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ALL OTHER ASSOCIATED EXHIBITS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. MOTIONED BY COMMISSIONER BOX, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AYE. ANY OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES FIVE-ZERO ITEM 17 IS APPROVED. THANKS TO ALL THE CITIZEN INPUT THERE. [18. Public Hearing - Zoning Ordinance Amendment: Amendment to the Zoning Ordinance (ZA21-0009)] 18, PUBLIC HEARINGS ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE. ZA21-0009. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. STAFF, IN CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, HAS INVESTIGATED WHETHER PLACES OF WORSHIP THAT USE ARE MORE HEAVILY REGULATED THAN COMPARABLE LAND USES. SO IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS DETERMINATION, STAFF COMPARED LAND USE AS PERMITTED IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. THIS BEGAN BY GROUPING RESIDENTIAL USES INTO BROAD CATEGORIES SUCH AS ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC, SITE SIZE, POTENTIAL CONCENTRATION AND PRIMARY USES, AND THEN FURTHER SORTED THOSE RESIDENTIAL LAND USES INTO MUNICIPAL USES. PRIVATE BUSINESSES WITH LIMITED ACCESS. PRIVATE BUSINESSES PROVIDING A PUBLIC SERVICE AND TEMPORARY USES. [01:25:03] SO WHAT ALL THAT ANALYSIS REVEALED IS THAT THE COMPARABLE LAND USE IS TO THE PLACES OF WORSHIP OR ATHLETIC STADIUMS, GOLF COURSES AND OR COUNTRY CLUBS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE OR SORRY PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOLS AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS. SO SIMILAR TO PLACES OF WORSHIP, THOSE USES THAT I JUST MENTIONED. THEY ALL HAVE A LOCAL AND REGIONAL DRAW THAT GENERATE SURGES OF TRAFFIC AND ARE LOCATED ON MEDIUM TO LARGE TRACTS OF LAND. SO, YOU KNOW, TAKING ALL OF THIS INTO CONFIGURATION, WHAT IT IS THAT STAFF IS PROPOSING THE AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE THE STAFF IS PROPOSING IS ALL ABOUT ENSURING THAT ALL OF THESE SITES ARE SITED PROPERLY. SO TODAY, PLACES OF WORSHIP REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. SO NOW IT'S ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TAKING THAT SPECIFIC USE REQUIREMENT AWAY AND IMPLEMENTING CONDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, STATING THAT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP, THE ATHLETIC STADIUMS AND THE GOLF COURSES OR THE GOLF COURSE CLUBHOUSES, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY, SHOULD FRONT OR SIDE TO A MAJOR OR MINOR THOROUGHFARE OR COLLECTOR STREET WHERE VEHICLE ACCESS IS LIMITED TO HANG ON ONE SECOND. HEARING BACK CHATTER, CAN WE ASK THEM TO MOVE OUT? I AM HAVING A HARD TIME. GO AHEAD. SO THAT WOULD MINIMIZE TRAFFIC IMPACT INTO NEIGHBORHOODS. SO AGAIN, TODAY WE HAVE A SPECIFIC USE REQUIREMENT, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT FOR PLACES OF WORSHIP IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. THESE OTHER USES THAT I JUST MENTIONED, ASIDE FROM THE. ASIDE FROM THE PRIVATE ATHLETIC STADIUM, THEY DO NOT HAVE CONDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, SO WE ARE PROPOSING ESSENTIALLY THE SAME CONDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR ALL OF THESE USES PLACES OF WORSHIP, ATHLETIC STADIUMS, PRIVATE AND PUBLIC AND GOLF COURSE AND OR COUNTRY CLUB. SO BY DOING THIS, SHOULD THIS PASS? THIS WOULD CAUSE TWO PLACES OF WORSHIP TO BECOME NON-CONFORMING, SO THOSE PLACES OF WORSHIP COULD CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS THEY ARE TODAY. IT'S JUST ONCE THEY CAME IN OR SHOULD THEY AT ANY TIME COME IN TO MAKE CHANGES, THOSE WOULD JUST BE REVIEWED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AS IT RELATES TO NONCONFORMING USES AND STRUCTURES. SO THIS IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TONIGHT, SUBJECT TO THE ZONING OR AMENDMENTS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. EXPLAIN THE LAST STATEMENT YOU MADE ABOUT THE TEACHER, THE TWO ESTABLISHMENTS THAT WOULD NOT MEET THIS. WOULD THAT MEAN THEY COULD NOT EXPAND? THEY COULD NOT ADD BUILDINGS? BUT WHAT DOES THAT IMPACT THE EXISTING CHURCHES? SO THERE ARE TWO CHURCHES. SO THIS THE STANDARDS THAT ARE PROPOSED BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, TALK ABOUT THESE USES FRONTING OR SITING MAJOR THOROUGHFARES, MINOR THOROUGHFARES OR COLLECTORS. THESE TWO SPECIFIC CHURCHES ARE ON LOCAL STREETS, SO THEY WOULD NOT COMPLY WITH WHAT I JUST STATED, MAKING THEM NON-CONFORMING SO THEY CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE EXACTLY AS THEY ARE TODAY. NO QUESTIONS ASK SHOULD THEY WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NON-CONFORMING USES AND STRUCTURES OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. SO, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT IS DEPENDING AGAIN, IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, SO THEY COULD EXPAND THE BUILDING. IT'S JUST LIMITED TO 10 PERCENT. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF IF THE LET'S JUST SAY THE NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS DESTROYED BY FIRE, IT MIGHT NOT BE REBUILT EXCEPT TO CONFORM TO THE PROVISIONS OF THE ORDINANCE. THAT'S IF IT WERE TOTAL DESTRUCTION, IF IT WAS PARTIAL DESTRUCTION, IT WOULD ALL COME UNDER THAT NOT EXCEEDING 50 ONE PERCENT. SO IT'S NOT SAYING THAT THEY CAN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES AND ALL OF THESE THE STANDARDS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IN THE NON-CONFORMING SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, PHYSICAL BUILDING EXPANSIONS. THAT'S NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT PAINTING THE BUILDING OR ANY ARCHITECTURAL, YOU KNOW, FACADE CHANGES LIKE THAT WOULD JUST HAVE TO COMPLY WITH OUR ORDINANCES JUST AS THEY DO TODAY. IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. DID THIS, DID WE NOTIFY PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS? [01:30:05] SO IT'S A ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. SO WE SENT, WE NOTIFIED IT IN THE NEWSPAPER AS WE WERE REQUIRED TO BY LAW. JOHN, MAY BE AWARE IF THERE WERE ANYTHING DONE IN THE PAST, NOW THEY'RE NOT. YEAH. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF MAKING THIS CHANGE. MY CONCERN WOULD BE TO MAKE IT WITHOUT HAVING NOTIFIED POTENTIAL ORGANIZATIONS OR ESTABLISHMENTS WHERE THEY WOULD BE PUT INTO A NON-CONFORMING USE THAT HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT, SPECIAL USE PERMIT TODAY AND NOT GRANDFATHERED IN. I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD AT LEAST BE NOTIFIED SO THAT THEY COULD BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS IF. THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT. I THINK THE TWO THAT JONATHAN MENTIONED, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE SPECIFIC USE PERMITS, THEY'RE IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, SO THEY'RE NON-CONFORMING TO BEGIN WITH. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT ABOUT, YEAH, IT'S NOT TO THAT POINT. THEY'RE ALREADY NON-CONFORMING AND WE HAVEN'T GONE BACK AND FORCE THEM INTO SPECIAL USE PERMIT. YEAH. SO THAT'S THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT THAT MAKES THEM THE NON-CONFORMING TODAY. THE POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION IS THAT THEY FRONT OR SIDE A LOCAL STREET. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NON-CONFORMING IN THIS, NOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T FRONT OR SIDE THE MAJOR MINOR THOROUGHFARE OR THE COLLECTOR. SO I'M ASKING, I'M LOOKING AT IT IN TERMS IF I IF I TOLD YOU TO GO, IF I IF THE COMMISSION TOLD YOU TO GO OUT AND NOTIFY EVERYBODY THAT AS AN SUP AS A CHURCH, THEY WOULD STILL BE MISSED. YES. OK. THAT'S I MEAN, IT'S A FAIR STATEMENT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOLLOW ON TO THAT, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEANT BY YOU IDENTIFIED TWO CHURCHES THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS CHANGE? CORRECT, SO STAFF DID AN ANALYSIS OF ALL THE PLACES OF WORSHIP WITHIN THE CITY AND LOOK TO DETERMINE IF THEY EITHER SIDE OR FRONT A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, A MINOR THOROUGHFARE OR A COLLECTOR. AND IT'S IN EXHIBIT B, I BELIEVE THAT HAS THAT LIST MAYBE EXHIBIT C, I DON'T REMEMBER. AND TWO OF THOSE PLACES OF WORSHIP DO NOT FRONT OR SIDE ANY OF THOSE THREE TOPOLOGIES, THEY FRONT OR SIDE A LOCAL STREET SO THEY WOULD NOT COMPLY WITH THE AMENDMENT, THE STAFF IS PROPOSING THIS EVENING. YOU FOLLOW ON TO THAT THEN IF SOMETHING HAPPENED CURRENTLY TO ONE OF THOSE TWO PLACES OF WORSHIP AND THEY NEEDED TO COME BACK IN AND REBUILD UNDER CURRENT ORDINANCES, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO DO THAT? UNDER CURRENT ORDINANCES, YOU KNOW, REBUILD, YES, BUT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GET A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. OK, SO I'D LIKE TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL PURSUANT TO TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551-001 AND 551-071, PRIVATE CONSULTATION WITH THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY . NEED A MOTION FOR THAT MR. CHAIR. DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT? I DON'T HEAR A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MOVE AS THE CHAIR RECOMMENDED. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOX. OKAY. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AYE. ANY OPPOSE, MOTION CARRIES FIVE-ZERO. WE'RE GOING TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR A FEW MINUTES AND WE'LL BE BACK HERE SHORTLY. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU ALL. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO RECONVENE? SO MOVE. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AYE. ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES FIVE-ZERO. WE ARE NOW BACK IN REGULAR MEETING. ALL RIGHT. NO, NO ACTION WAS TAKEN DURING AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO COMMENTS? YEAH. QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NON POTENTIAL NONCONFORMING USAGES AS THE POINT YOU MADE EARLIER? YES, IN THE UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCE THAT A ONE OF THE TWO LANDOWNERS HAD A SUFFERED A FIRE OR OTHER OTHER TYPE OF INCIDENT WHERE THEY WERE FORCED TO REBUILD OR REMODEL OR SUCH? YES. IS THERE AN OUTLET FOR THEM LIKE OTHER NON-CONFORMING, CURRENT NON-CONFORMING USES TO TO REQUEST ANY EXCEPTION? HOW DOES THAT WORK? I MEAN, THEY COULD GO IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND ASK FOR RELIEF FOR THAT NON-CONFORMING STATUS AND SOME OF THOSE CERTAIN THINGS, YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HYPOTHETICAL. IT WOULD BE UP TO THE BOARD DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'RE ASK IS. [01:35:03] WHAT THEY'RE ASKING. SO THERE'S DEFINITELY AN OUT. THERE IS AN AVENUE. YES, THIS IS AN AVENUE. AND THAT'S THE SAME OUTLET FOR EVERY LANDOWNER IN FRISCO. THAT'S CORRECT. IF THERE ARE NONCONFORMING USE LANDOWNER. THAT'S CORRECT. OK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT CLARIFIES QUITE A BIT FOR ME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? AND JUST CLARIFY, WE DID GO THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT? OK. LONG DAYS HERE. SO COMMISSIONERS ANY, COMMISSIONER MORGAN, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I WASN'T I WAS JUST GOING TO MOVE US TO THE NEXT STEP. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A MOTION PUBLIC HERE? OH, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT WE ALREADY DID A PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAD AN OK MOTION TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOX, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AYE. ANY OPPOSED, MOTION CARRIES 5-0. I MISUNDERSTOOD. MS. [INAUDIBLE] PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM HERE THIS EVENING? SEEING NONE, MOVED TO CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING. A MOTION MY COMMISSIONER COLBERG. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AYE. ANY OPPOSE, MOTION CARRIES FIVE-ZERO. ALL RIGHT, WE HAD A LOT OF PRE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONVERSATION ON THIS ITEM. QUESTIONS ON IT AT THIS POINT. I'LL JUST MAKE I'LL MAKE A COMMENT, IT SOUND LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF A LOT OF CHATTER GOING ON. I THINK ELIMINATING THE SUP, ELIMINATING THE BUREAUCRACY, SMALLER GOVERNMENT IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING IF IT MAKES SENSE. I THINK ALLOWING ESTABLISHMENTS TO UNDERSTAND THE PARAMETERS TO COME IN FRISCO OF ANY TYPE AS LONG AS PUBLIC IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT AND HAVE AN EQUAL PUBLICIZED PLAYING FIELD. SO I'M HAPPY THAT WE'RE GETTING RID OF THE SUP PROCESS. IT'S SOMETHING I THINK WHEN WE CAN, WE SHOULD. IT'S THERE FOR A REASON. BUT IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT'S IT'S A GOOD USE OF THE ELIMINATION. SO YEAH, I WOULD JUST I DISAGREE WITH THE USE OF THE WORD BUREAUCRACY MR. CHAIR, THERE'S A PROCESS IN PLACE FOR A REASON. AND BUT BY REMOVING IT, WE STILL ARE UPHOLDING THE HIGH STANDARDS OF FRISCO HAS WITH OR WITHOUT THE SUP PROCESS. AND BUT TO YOUR POINT, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND AND BUT ALSO STILL MAINTAINS THE INTEGRITY OF OUR PROCESS. BUREAUCRATIC STEPS ARE IMPORTANT. AND WHEN YOU CAN GET RID OF THEM, GREAT. BUT THEY'RE THERE FOR A REASON. I AGREE WITH YOU. SO IF THE WORD BUREAUCRACY WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT, BUT, YOU KNOW, BY NOT HAVING TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS, IT DEFINITELY SIMPLIFIES THE PROCESS AND STANDARDIZES IT. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I WOULD JUST ADD THAT STAFF BASICALLY DID THE WORK THAT REMOVED THE NEED FOR THE SUPS, BUT BY DOING THE RESEARCH AND DOING THE WORK THAT THEY DID, THEY'VE CREATED ANOTHER WAY TO GET THE SAME STANDARDS. ABSOLUTELY. THAT WAS THAT WAS A COMPLIMENT. YES, IT WAS. ALL RIGHT, DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? MOVE TO APPROVE THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF IN ITEM 18, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOX. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AYE. ANY OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES FIVE-ZERO ITEM 18 IS APPROVED. EXCELLENT. GREAT WORK STAFF IN LEGAL ON THAT ONE. WE APPRECIATE IT. APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S WORKING TOGETHER. [19. Results of the January 18, 2022 City Council meeting.] ITEM 19 RESULTS OF THE JANUARY 18 2022 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS, WE'LL MOVE ON ITEM 20, SCHEDULE FUTURE DISCUSSION ITEMS. [20. Schedule of future discussion items.] I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, WE'VE GOT TO WORK SESSION AFTER THIS. SO YEAH, WE DO. ANY FUTURE DISCUSSION ITEMS FOR STAFF, THAT WORK SESSION WILL BE LOCATED WHERE? IT'LL BE ON THE FOURTH FLOOR, VIVIAN MACCALLUM ROOM. OK, AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO DO THIS ELECTRONIC SIGNATURE REAL QUICK. AND THEN WE'LL BE UP THERE. YEAH, SO WE'LL SAY ABOUT 10-15 MINUTES. YEAH, OK. ALL RIGHT. DO HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. MOTION MY COMMISSIONER BOX. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AYE. ANY OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 8:28. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.