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GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING, THE FRISCO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
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WERE GATHERED 6101 FRISCO SQUARE BOULEVARD IN THE TIME OF 6:32 P.M.PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CONSISTS OF FRISCO RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. TONIGHT, COMMISSIONERS PRESENT ARE COMMISSIONER CONE, COMMISSIONER KENDALL, COMMISSIONER BOX OUR VICE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER KELLY, OUR SECRETARY.
COMMISSIONER COLBERG. COMMISSIONER MORGAN.
I'M ROB COX I'M THE CHAIR FOR THIS EVENING.
FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES REVENUE AND SERVICES.
GOT JOHN LETTELLEIR, ANTHONY SATARINO, JONATHAN HUBBARD, JONATHAN POLLARD, CINDY JACKSON, WELCOME CINDY LORI CROSS AND KYLA KIANNA.
I'M GETTING BETTER AT THAT [INAUDIBLE].
FROM ENGINEERING WE GOT JASON GRIMM AND JOEL FITTS.
FROM LEGAL WE HAVE RYAN PITTMAN HERE THIS EVENING.
ANYONE FROM FIRE STEP IN YET? SAY THAT AGAIN.
OH, JOHN DIDN'T RECOGNIZE YOU BACK THERE WITH A TIE ON.
JOHN GILLETTE ROM FIRE IS HERE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. OK, THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS CITIZEN INPUT.
IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION REGARDING ANY ITEMS THAT ARE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, YOU MAY DO SO AT THIS TIME.
PLEASE, COMPLETE A BLUE SPEAKER CARD AND APPROACH THE PODIUM.
WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS LATER THIS EVENING AS WELL, WHERE YOU WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
PRIOR TO YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
OUR MEETINGS ARE RECORDED, SO PLEASE SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE.
PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION, NOT TO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE OR ANY APPLICANTS PRESENT THIS EVENING.
TO ENSURE THERE'S ENOUGH TIME FOR ALL TO SPEAK, PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES, UNLESS YOU MUST ADDRESS THE COMMISSION THROUGH A TRANSLATOR, IN WHICH CASE YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TEN MINUTES.
PLEASE NOTE THE COMMISSION CANNOT DISCUSS OR TAKE SPECIFIC ACTION DURING CITIZEN INPUT OR ON ITEMS NOT ON THE POSTED AGENDA EXCEPT TO PROVIDE A STATEMENT OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY, TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY, OR TO INDICATE THAT THE MATTER MAY BE PLACED ON THE LATER AGENDA.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC INPUT AT THIS TIME? OK, THANK YOU.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ITEM TWO, CONSIDER AND ACT UPON APPROVAL MINUTES OF THE REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ON APRIL 13,2021.COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE MINUTES OR ANY COMMENTS OR DO I HAVE A MOTION ON APRIL 13, 2021 MINUTES.
MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 13, 2021.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG.
SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0, ITEM TWO IS APPROVED.
ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
AN AGENDA CONSISTS OF ROUTINE AND NON-CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS. ANY COMMISSION MEMBER MAKING SUCH REQUESTS PRIOR TO A MOTION AND VOTE ON THE CONSENT ITEMS MAY CONSIDER ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY.ANY MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THE CONTENT AGENDA ITEMS MAY DO SO WITH THE MAJORITY APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSION.
WE HAVE ITEMS THREE THROUGH 13 THIS EVENING.
ARE THERE ANY THAT NEED TO BE PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEMS 11 AND 12.
ITEMS 11 AND 12? ARE THERE ANY OTHERS.
DO HAVE A MOTION ON ITEMS THREE THROUGH 10 AND ITEM 12 THIS EVENING? I'M SORRY, ITEM 13, I APOLOGIZE.
MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM THREE THROUGH TEN AND ITEM THIRTEEN.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN. SECOND.
ANY OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES 6-0, THOSE ITEMS ARE APPROVED.
[11. Preliminary Plat: Brookside, Phases 1A & 1B (PP21-0001)]
ALL RIGHT. ITEM ELEVEN, PRELIMINARY PLAT BROOKSIDE PHASES 1A AND 1B, PP21-0001, OWNERS FH Q HOLDINGS LP.THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT IS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING FOR APPROVAL.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM ELEVEN? ANTHONY, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER AND THE APPLICANT WAS MORE THAN WILLING TO KIND OF EXPLAIN SOME OF THOSE THINGS AND SHOW SOME THINGS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY CLEAR ON THE ON THE PLAT.
CHAIRMAN COX, WOULD IT BE OK TO HAVE THE APPLICANT COME UP AND ADDRESS THOSE SAME QUESTIONS? HAVE YOU ALREADY GOT YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED? OR DO YOU NEED THE QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED? THEY'RE MOSTLY ANSWERED.
IF YOU WANT TO ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION AND THEY'RE HERE YOU MAY DO SO.
HI, GOOD EVENING, MY NAME'S KEVIN KANE WITH KIMLY HORN AND ASSOCIATES, AND I'M REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
STATE YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE. 6160 WARREN PARKWAY, SUITE 210 FRISCO.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE WILL ASK YOU TO FILL OUTA SPEAKER CARD AS WELL.
ARE YOU ABLE TO TO SCROLL THROUGH ANY OF THE SLIDES TO GET TO THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN?
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IS THERE ARE PARTICULAR AREAS.IS THIS A SITE PLAN OR A PRELIMINARY PLAT? PRELIMINARY PLAT. OK, OK.
IS THERE AN AREA YOU WANT TO START? IT'S ON SEVERAL PAGES.
I SPOKE WITH ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES EARLIER TO TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT I'D HAD.
AND MY TAKEAWAY FROM HIM WAS THAT YOU GUYS, IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, HAD KIND OF GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND ON SOME OF THE THINGS YOU GUYS HAD ADDED IN THERE.
THAT WAS MY INTERPRETATION OF IT.
AND SO. YEAH, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF NICE AMENITIES, TRAILS IN THIS PLAN. OK, MY SPECIFIC QUESTION WAS JUST ABOUT THE THE PARK BEING TO THE WEST THERE AND HOW YOU GUYS WERE MAKING SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CONNECTED TO KIND OF AN UNKNOWN BUT A FUTURE PARK.
AND IF YOU COULD JUST HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THOSE CONNECTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ADDED IN THERE. OK.
SO WE'VE GOT THE PARK SITE IS OVER HERE.
WE'VE GOT AN HOA LOT COMMON AREA HERE WHICH COULD SERVE AS A CONNECTION UP INTO THE PARK.
WE'VE GOT AN ACCESS POINT HERE, KIND OF MID BLOCK HERE.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE OPEN SPACE ALONG HERE, YOU KNOW, NOT KNOWING WHAT'S HAPPENING ALONG THE PARK AND SOME GRADE ISSUES.
THIS AREA UP HERE, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES MAYBE FOR A CONNECTION IN HERE, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE WHERE. BUT WE'RE WILLING TO WORK AS WE'RE DEVELOPING OUR CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS.
OH, OK. AND THOSE LOTS THAT ARE UP THERE, THAT NORTHWEST CORNER, THIS MAY BE THE PART THAT MAY NOT BE CLEAR TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
THOSE, WHICH DIRECTION THOSE LOTS FACE? THESE LOTS FACE INTO THE PARK AND THESE LOTS FACE OUT AND THEY'RE ELEVATED, SO THEY FACE OUT TOWARDS THE GOLF COURSE, REALLY UP OVER FIELD PARKWAY.
AM I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY THAT THEY'RE FACING OUT SO OBVIOUSLY THEIR FRONT SIDEWALKS ARE GOING TO BE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. YES, THERE'S SIDEWALKS THAT ARE GOING TO WRAP AROUND THE FRONT OF THESE LOTS THAT COME AROUND ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THOSE LOTS. IT'S A MUSED PRODUCT.
SO IT'S SERVED BY A WIDE ALLEY IN THE BACK.
AND SO THE FRONT IS IN THE, IS FACING THE LANDSCAPE AREA.
OK, AND BASICALLY THE ONLY REQUEST IS THAT YOU JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING OVER THERE.
YOU'RE WELCOME. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE KIND OF GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND.
I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY NICE.
YEAH. AND I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU THEN ABOUT THE THE NORTHWEST PARK.
THE NORTHWEST PARK THERE ALONG THE MAJOR ROAD.
NOW THAT'S AN EVEN BETTER EXAMPLE, BECAUSE UP THERE, THERE'S THAT KIND OF CIRCUITOUS ROUTE UP THERE. YEAH. AND THE REASON IT'S BECAUSE OF THE GRADE DIFFERENTIAL, IT'S COMING DOWN IT MADE THE ADA REQUIREMENTS.
AND THIS DOES THERE IS A PERIMETER SIDEWALK AROUND THE OUTSIDE OF THOSE LOTS THAT'S SHOWN THERE. OK, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AS A CREATIVE SOLUTION YOU GUYS CAME UP WITH TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT THOSE HOUSES DOWN BACK TOWARDS THE SIDEWALK AND GET OVER TO THE ENTRANCE TO THE PARK. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S IT.
YES. THAT PROVIDES THAT ACCESS DOWN THE FIELDS PARKWAY, COME UP, GO TO THE PARK OR, YOU KNOW, DOWN FIELDS.
AND THE LAST REQUEST IS JUST ALONG FIELDS PARKWAY.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHALLENGES YOU GUYS HAVE.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPACE TO WORK ON.
COMMISSIONER CONE, CAN I ASK YOU TO REPEAT WHAT YOUR REQUEST IS? OR IS THIS JUST A STATEMENT OR WHAT, ARE YOU ASKING A QUESTION? I'M ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT FIELDS PARKWAY.
OK. YEAH, SO THE AREA WHERE YOU HAVE LIMITED SPACE THERE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE WILLING TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS AND JUST TO DO WHAT YOU CAN THERE TO TO MOVE THAT SIDEWALK TRAIL BACK FROM THE STREET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, GIVEN THE LIMITATIONS.
ABOUT THAT AREA THERE? THAT AREA THERE. AND JUST GOING TOWARDS THAT WHOLE NORTHWEST SIDE THERE.
YEAH, THOSE TWO AREAS, THAT'S PERFECT.
YEAH. I MEAN, WE COULD LOOK AT POSSIBLY PULLING THAT BACK A LITTLE BIT.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING WITH A LOT OF GRADE IN THAT AREA.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN.
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THAT'S ALL WE CAN ASK FOR, SO.ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, WHEN YOU'RE IN THAT AREA, YOU WILL HAVE A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE HOMES AND YOU WILL HAVE A SIDEWALK ALONG FIELDS PARKWAY? YES. SO BECAUSE THAT'LL BE LIKE SIDEWALKS WILL FOLLOW AT LEAST CITY STANDARDS.
THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S WHY IT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE THERE'S A GRADE DIFFERENTIAL THERE.
YES, ABSOLUTELY. SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS DOING THAT SO,.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. IF THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? IS THIS IMPORTANT TO ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A, COMMISSIONER CONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION? YEAH, I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER ELEVEN AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
THAT MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CONE.
SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES 6-0.
ITEM TWELVE PRELIMINARY PLAT, COLLINS BROOK FARM PHASES FIVE AND SIX, BP21-0002, OWNERS
[12. Preliminary Plat: Collinsbrook Farm Phases 5 & 6 (PP21-0002)]
FIRST TEXAS HOMES CORPORATION.OK, SORRY. SO BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, WE HAVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR COLLINS BROOK, PHASE FIVE AND SIX.
STAFF HAS VERIFIED THAT THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS OF ZONING ORDINANCE AND OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND AT THIS TIME I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I WANT TO SEE IF THE APPLICANT WAS HERE THAT I CAN ASK A QUESTION OF.
KEVIN KANE, KIMLEY HORN AND ASSOCIATES, 6160 WARREN PARKWAY, SUITE 210, FRISCO, AND I'M REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
I WANT TO ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION, ALONG PGA PARKWAY THERE.
SO THIS IS GOING TO FEEL LIKE SOME THINGS ARE MOVED HERE WITH THE PGA.
BUT THE SAME QUESTION, WOULD YOU GUYS BE WILLING TO OBVIOUSLY MEETING THE MINIMAL GUIDELINES OF FIVE FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE CURB, BUT WHEN POSSIBLE, TO DO THE BEST YOU CAN TO PROVIDE MORE DISTANCE, MORE SPACE ALONG THERE CLOSER TO THE? YES, AND WE ARE I MEAN, WE'VE PREPARED PRELIMINARY SCREENING PLANS THAT WERE INCLUDED WITH OUR SUBMITTAL. AND WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE MEANDERING THAT WALK AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO MAINTAIN THE DISTANCE FROM THE CURB.
AND WE'RE ALSO PLANTING TREES ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT SIDEWALK.
SO, YES, WE ARE WE WILL MEANDER THAT PATH.
AND YOU'LL HAVE SOME TREES THAT YOU SAID YOU'RE PLANNING ON PLANTING.
OH, YES. ALONG THE STREET TREES BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE ROAD? YES. OK, STEVE.
SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE AN EXHIBIT IN THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE SIDEWALK SLASH TRAIL ALONG BOTH PGA PARKWAY AND COURT ROAD MEANDERING WHERE YOU HAVE A COMBINATION OF ORNAMENTAL TREES AND SHADE TREES.
SHADE TREES ON THE INSIDE OF THE SIDEWALK, ORNAMENTALS ON THE OUTSIDE.
BUT THEY'RE FOLLOWING THAT PD REQUIREMENT.
THE EXACT LOCATION OF THAT SIDEWALK IS DETERMINED ON THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS.
AND SO, JOHN, CITY STAFF HAS ALREADY LOOKED AT THIS IN REGARDS TO WHAT THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS ARE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS FOLLOWS THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS? WHEN IT GETS TO THE NEXT STAGE ON THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS.
RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A PRIMARY PLAT AND ONLY SHOWS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE STREETS, DOES NOT SHOW SIDEWALKS.
THAT IS DONE ON THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE THOROUGHFARE SCREENING.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. OK. AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR ASKING THE APPLICANT AT THIS STAGE OF THE OF THE PROCESS.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR REMARKS AND THANK YOU, THAT'S ALL.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM 12? I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 12, SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOX. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KENDALL.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0, ITEM TWELVE IS APPROVED.
ALL RIGHT. TONIGHT, WE HAVE SEVERAL AND SEVERAL MEANS, FIVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE AGENDA
[14. Public Hearing - Replat: Hills of Kingswood, Phase 5B, Block D, Lot 6 (RP21-0012)]
THIS EVENING. AND I WANT TO APOLOGIZE.FOUR. AND WE HAVE FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE AGENDA.
THESE PUBLIC HEARING IS PROCEEDED BY STAFF INTRODUCTION OF THE REQUEST.
THE APPLICANT IS THEN PERMITTED 10 MINUTES TO MAKE HIS OR HER PRESENTATION TO THE
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COMMISSION. FOLLOWING QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF AND APPLICANT BY THE COMMISSION THAT'S WISHING TO SPEAK, YOU ARE WELCOME TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.ALL SPEAKERS, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT, NEED TO COMPLETE THE SPEAKER'S CARD AND PROVIDE IT TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.
THERE ARE ORGANIZED GROUPS IN ATTENDANCE.
WE SUGGEST SELECT REPRESENTATIVES TO PRESENT YOUR POSITIONS.
PLEASE AVOID REPEATING WHAT HAS BEEN STATED BY PREVIOUS SPEAKERS AND OTHER THAN STATING YOU AGREE WITH THEIR COMMENTS.
PLEASE NOTE YOU ONLY HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
REPEAT APPEARANCES TO THE PODIUM ARE NOT PERMITTED.
AFTER ALL PERSONS HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE CASE WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER TESTIMONY WILL BE PERMITTED UNTIL THE CASE IS TABLED TO A FUTURE DATE AND COMMISSION.
PLEASE ENTER A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOR CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF OR APPLICANT.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ONLY MAKES A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING ZONING CASES UNLESS THE COMMISSION DENIES THE CASE AND THE APPLICANT DOES NOT APPEAL THE DENIAL. FINAL ACTION REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO CONTACT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF AS TO WHEN YOUR CASE WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR THIS EVENING.
ITEM 14, PUBLIC HEARING REPLAT HILLS OF KINGWOOD, PHASE FIVE, BLOCK D, LOT SIX RP21-0012, OWNERS, TERENCE AND VICTORIA LYNN KLEIN.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPLAT IS TO COMBINE TWO LOTS INTO ONE LOT FRONTING ON BALFOUR COURT THE MAJORITY OF THE LOT IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY, EIGHT POINT FIVE. THERE IS A SMALL PORTION ZONED SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN PER THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
WHEN A LOT IS SPLIT ZONED, THE MOST RESTRICTIVE PROVISIONS APPLY.
THEREFORE, FOR THIS, THE SINGLE FAMILY EIGHT POINT FIVE STANDARDS DO APPLY.
THIS REPLAT REQUEST MEETS ALL OF THOSE STANDARDS AS WELL AS THE STANDARDS OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT 157 FOR PRIVATE STREETS.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND WOULD THEY CARE TO SPEAK? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOX.
SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0., PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS, OBJECTIONS, QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LOT IF YOU'VE EVER GONE OUT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT ACTUALLY HAS SOME GOOD SCENERY. THAT IS GORGEOUS.
DO I HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM FOURTEEN? MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM FOURTEEN.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN.
SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0, ITEM FOURTEEN IS APPROVED.
[15. Public Hearing - Replat: Frisco Multi-Event Center Addition, Block C, Lots 1 & 5 (RP21-0013)]
ITEM FIFTEEN PUBLIC HEARING REPLA, FRISCO MULTI EVENT CENTER ADDITION.BLOCK C LOTS ONE AND FIVE RP21-0013, OWNERS BLUESTAR LAND PHASE THREE LLC AND CITY OF FRISCO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPLAT IS TO ADD SEVERAL PRIVATE EASEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY.
AS NOTED UP HERE, THERE IS A PRIVATE ACCESS AND UTILITY EASEMENT IN GREEN.
A NO BUILD EASEMENT AND THEN A COMBINATION OF NO BUILD PRIVATE ACCESS, AND PRIVATE UTILITY EASEMENT SHOWN AS WELL.
THE REPLAT DOES CONFORM TO THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2019 AND DOES MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? AT LEAST THE BLUESTAR SIDE OF THAT? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CONE. SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES, 6-0, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM THIS EVENING? SEEING NONE. I MOVE TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
DO I HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM FIFTEEN.
MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM FIFTEEN AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
SECOND. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KENDALL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0 ITEM FIFTEEN IS APPROVED.
ITEM SIXTEEN PUBLIC HEARING ZONING AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
[16. Public Hearing - Zoning: Amendment to Planned Development-9 (Z21-0008)]
DASH 9Z210008, OWNERS, MULTIPLE OWNERS.THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT THE APRIL 13TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, AND THE PUBLIC HEARING CONTINUED SO I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO REMOVE THIS FROM THE TABLE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO REMOVE THIS FROM THE TABLE? SO MOVED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KELLY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOX.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 6-0.
ITEM REMOVED FROM THE TABLE. THANK YOU, MR.
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CHAIR. THE ITEM BEFORE YOU ALL TONIGHT IS A REQUEST TO REZONE THE THREE TRACTS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. SO AT ONE POINT IN TIME, MUCH OF THE PROPERTY SHOWN ON THE SCREEN WHICH ENCOMPASSED THESE THREE TRACTS WAS ALL A PART OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT NINE.BUT OVER THE YEARS, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT NINE HAS INADVERTENTLY BEEN SEGREGATED, LEAVING THESE THREE SEPARATE TRACTS.
THEREFORE, IN ORDER TO CLEAN UP THE ZONING, STAFF IS PROPOSING TWO SEPARATE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT NINE THESE THREE TRACTS INTO THREE SEPARATE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS OF THEIR OWN. JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE BRIEFLY WITH YOU.
TRACT ONE BEING PART OF A ZONING REQUEST THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY TO ALLOW A SINGLE FAMILY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY.
THIS WOULD BE THE ZONING CASE THAT IS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA COMING UP JUST AFTER THIS ITEM.
TRACT TWO STAFF IS PROPOSING TO PLACE THIS TRACT IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OF ITS OWN, BUT KEEPING THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, NON DESIGNATION AND RETAINING THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE IN PLACE TODAY AND THEREFORE THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT REMOVE ANY OF THE ZONING ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO ANY OF THE ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY TODAY ARE BEING CARRIED FORWARD TO A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
TRACT THREE STAFF IS PROPOSING TO PLACE THIS TRACT IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OF ITS OWN, BUT RECOGNIZING THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE IN PLACE TODAY.
SO NOT TO CREATE ANY NONCONFORMING LOTS OR ANY STRUCTURES.
AGAIN, THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT REMOVE ANY OF THE ZONING ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY TODAY, JUST MOVING ALL OF THE ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY TODAY INTO A SEPARATE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
STAFF DID SEND REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND ALL PROPERTIES WITHIN TWO HUNDRED FEET, AS WELL AS SENDING COURTESY NOTICES TO ALL HOAS WITHIN FIFTEEN HUNDRED FEET. I HAVE SPOKEN TO A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT IS GOING ON, RECEIVING THE NOTICES, SEEING THE SIGNS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, NONE OF THOSE RESIDENTS VOICED WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST, JUST CALLING SIMPLY TO GATHER MORE INFORMATION.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THIS FOR APPROVAL, AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE.
LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
TRACT ONE, MOVING IT TO ITS OWN PD.
THAT'S CORRECT. IS IT CHANGING ANY ENTITLEMENTS THROUGH THAT PROCESS? SO TRACT ONE IS THE PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS OUR NEXT CASE TONIGHT, Z2015.
BUT Z2015 IS GOING, WOULD CHANGE.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, I MEAN SO IS A TWO STEP PROCESS? SURE. SO, SO TRACT ONE AS YOU AS YOU SEE IT ON THE SCREEN IS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT NINE WITH A BASE OF COMMERCIAL ONE.
AND SO THE ZONING REQUEST THAT Z2015, WHICH IS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA NEXT, THAT PROPOSAL IS TO REMOVE THE COMMERCIAL ONE DESIGNATION, PUT IT IN A SINGLE FAMILY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
SO THOSE COMMERCIAL ONE ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE ON THAT PROPERTY TODAY WOULD GO AWAY SHOULD THE ZONING REQUEST THAT'S UP IF THIS CASE DOESN'T CHANGE THE ENTITLEMENT, THE NEXT CASE WOULD? THAT'S CORRECT. OK, THAT'S WHERE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD.
SURE. SO HERE WE'RE JUST SPLITTING APART THESE THREE.
AND CLAIMING IT UP. THE THREE DIFFERENT PDS TO THE BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN.
THEY'VE BEEN SEGREGATED OVER THE YEARS.
SO TECHNICALLY, EVERYTHING ALL THREE OF THOSE TRACTS, WHILE SEGREGATED, THEY STILL HAVE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, NON DESIGNATION.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, NON, THAT'S VERY DISJOINTED.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO PULL THEM APART.
AND THE TRACT TWO, WE'LL KEEP A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT NON DESIGNATION.
TRACT THREE WILL LIKELY BE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
TWO HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FIVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WITH THE SAME ENTITLEMENT? WITH THE SAME, EXACTLY, WITH ALL THE SAME ENTITLEMENTS.
ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THAT PD TODAY ARE JUST BEING MOVED FORWARD INTO A NEW PD.
ALL RIGHT. ARE ANY OF THE OWNERS HERE THAT WOULD CARE TO SPEAK OF THESE TRACTS? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KELLY.
SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0, A PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KENDALL.
SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
THIS SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD CLEAN UP ITEM TO ME.
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KEEP THESE ITEMS SEPARATE SO IT ALLOWS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF TRACT ONE TO TRACT THREE IS ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN DEVELOPMENT ON TRACT TWO, I BELIEVE.THAT'S NOT WHERE THE OLD PRESTON TRAIL WAS? NO, IT'S THE C1.
ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? JONATHAN, JUST FOR THE RECORD, YOU WERE ASKED IF TRACT ONE AND TRACT THREE.
HAVE ANY ENTITLEMENT CHANGES? JUST FOR THE RECORD, ARE THERE ANY ENTITLEMENT CHANGES FOR TRACT TWO AS PART OF ITEM SIXTEEN? THERE IS NOT.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM 16.
MOVE TO APPROVE. ITEM SIXTEEN.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORGAN.
SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED.
MOTION CARRIES 6-0, ITEM 16 IS APPROVED.
ITEM SEVENTEEN PUBLIC HEARING ZONING VILLAGE ON MAIN STREET Z20-0015, OWNERS GRBK
[17. Public Hearing - Zoning: Village on Main Street (Z20-0015)]
EDGEWOOD LLC.THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THIS ITEM WAS TABLED IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONTINUED AT THE APRIL 13TH, 2021 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL TIME FOR THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNER TO THE WEST.
SO LOOK FOR A MOTION TO REMOVE THIS ITEM FROM THE TABLE.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE THEM.
SO MOVED. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOX.
SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED.
MOTION CARRIES 6-0, ITEM'S BEEN REMOVED FROM THE TABLE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO BEFORE YOU ALL TONIGHT IS A REQUEST TO REZONE THE PROPERTY SHOWN HERE FROM COMMERCIAL ONE AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT NONCOMMERCIAL ONE INTO A PLANNED, A SINGLE FAMILY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WITH BASE PATIO HOME AND TOWN HOME ZONING IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE PLANS SHOWN HERE ON THE SCREEN, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A MIXTURE OF PATIO HOME AND TOWNHOMES SIZED LOTS FOCUSED AROUND TWO CENTRAL OPEN SPACE FEATURES.
THE TWO OPEN SPACE FEATURES THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU EQUATE TO FOUR POINT THREE ACRES, WHICH IS ABOUT EIGHT POINT THREE PERCENT.
SO FOR A PATIO HOME AND TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT, THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES A MINIMUM 15 PERCENT OPEN SPACE BE PROVIDED IN LIEU OF NOT MEETING THAT 15 PERCENT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, THE APPLICANT AND STAFF DID WORK TOGETHER TO DEVELOP STANDARDS.
AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH I'LL SPEAK BRIEFLY TO YOU IN A MOMENT THAT TRULY LEND THEMSELVES TO ATTRACTING PEOPLE, ENCOURAGING SOCIAL INTERACTION AND CREATING COMMUNITY.
THE FIRST REALLY BEING THE DETAILED OPEN SPACE PLANS THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING.
SO THIS EXHIBIT HERE WHERE YOU SEE OPEN LINE, WHERE YOU SEE SEATING TERMINUS ARE FEATURES, SIDEWALKS, STONE SEATING WALLS, ANOTHER ONE HERE.
THESE EXHIBITS THEMSELVES WILL BE TIED INTO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND THE APPLICANT WILL BE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP TO WHAT YOU SEE HERE.
THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE APPLICANT INITIALLY SUBMITTED, AND THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE HERE.
HERE'S ONE AND HERE'S THE OTHER.
SO IF YOU'LL NOTICE, THERE IS A STARK DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE AND WHAT WE CAME, WHAT WE REACH RESOLUTION ON, BECAUSE ALL OF THE BLUE THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE AS WELL AS HERE, THAT'S ALL WATER.
SO THE CHANCES OF SOMEONE BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET OUT THERE AND USE THAT SPACE IS NOT VERY LIKELY.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WORK TOGETHER FOR.
THE OPEN SPACE THAT THEY WERE PROVIDING WAS TO IMMENSELY IMPROVE THE AMENITIES AND THE DESIGN. AND AGAIN, THOSE DETAILED OPEN SPACE PLANS THAT I SHOWED YOU A SECOND AGO ARE PROPOSED TO BE INCLUDED AS EXHIBITS TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE APPLICANT IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP TO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SEE HERE.
THE SECOND THING IS FRONT PORCHES.
SO TRADITIONALLY IN OUR PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE SEEN US DO TIME AND TIME AGAIN, IS THAT ANY TIME YOU HAVE A LOT FRONTING OPEN SPACE OR FRONTING A NATURAL FEATURE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A FRONT PORCH, A FRONT PORCH REQUIREMENT.
IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING PUT A FRONT PORCH ON EVERY SINGLE LOT IN THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE PATIO AND FIFTY FIVE FORTIES, THE TOWNHOMES, EVERY SINGLE LOT, HAVING A PORCH THAT MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
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AND LASTLY, THE FRONT BUILDING THAT BACK.SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO PULL ALL OF THE HOMES CLOSER TO THE STREET.
THERE'S A RANGE BETWEEN 18 AND 20 FEET.
IT'S WORDED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY IN THE STANDARDS, BUT WHAT THAT EQUATES TO IS BETWEEN 18 AND 20 FEET FROM BACK UP CURB.
SO TRADITIONALLY, WHEN YOU HAVE A BUILDING WITH A TWENTY FIVE FOOT SET BACK, THAT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF BALLPARK, 40 FEET FROM BACK UP CURB.
SO BY PULLING THESE HOMES CLOSER TO THE STREET, REALLY BUILDING THAT PEDESTRIAN RIM, HAVING FRONT PORCHES ON ALL OF THESE LOTS, IT REALLY LENDS ITSELF TO PEOPLE SITTING OUT ON THEIR PORCHES AND HAVING THAT COMMUNITY INTERACTION AND THOSE PORCHES BEING CLOSER TO THE SIDEWALK. SO IF SOMEONE IS WALKING BY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SAY HELLO OR THINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT. THE APPLICANT DID HOLD AN HOA MEETING IN SEPTEMBER OF 2020 PRIOR TO SUBMITTING THIS REQUEST.
THERE WERE ABOUT 10 RESIDENTS WHO PARTICIPATED IN THAT MEETING AT THAT TIME, THEY POSED SEVERAL QUESTIONS, JUST GENERAL CURIOSITY AS TO WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS PROPOSING.
BUT AT THAT POINT IN TIME, NO ONE VOICED OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT FOR THE REQUEST.
AS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, STAFF HAS RECEIVED ONE EMAIL STATING GENERAL SUPPORT FOR THE REQUEST SINCE THE APRIL 13TH MEETING.
THEY DID HAVE ONE COMMENT, BUT GENERAL SUPPORT FOR THE REQUEST.
THIS APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO VOLUNTARILY ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ESTABLISH BUILDING MATERIAL STANDARDS AND CODES.
THIS AGREEMENT, WHEN SIGNED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER, WILL BE PLACED ON THE SAME CITY COUNCIL AGENDA AS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ZONING REQUEST.
THIS REQUEST IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE CITY'S FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AND IT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO THE EXHIBIT B STANDARDS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING, WOULD THEY CARE TO SPEAK? STEVE SCHERMERHORN, 8430, FAIR OAKS, FRISCO, TEXAS, 75033.
THANKS, JONATHAN, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I'M JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING, HAD A COUPLE OF CONVERSATIONS WITH A COUPLE OF GUYS. SO IF ANYTHING COMES UP, I'M ALWAYS HERE.
PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD IF YOU DON'T MIND.
ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO MOVED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG.
SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0. SO PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
I HAVE SEVERAL CARDS HERE THIS EVENING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT WILL BE TRACY [INAUDIBLE].
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SHULA NETZER, AND I REPRESENT THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE WEST OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS DEVELOPMENT.
OK, THANK YOU. THIS ZONING PROCESS HAS BEEN TAKEN ABOUT A YEAR BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITY. DURING THAT TIME, WE HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON AS NEIGHBORS THAT WOULD BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY IT AND BY THE ROAD.
NONE OF THEM HAD CONTACTED US DURING THE PROCESS.
FURTHERMORE, THE DEVELOPER DID NOT INCLUDE US IN THE NEIGHBORS MEETING, AND THE CITY WAITED UNTIL THE LAST ALLOWABLE DAY OF SENDING THE CARDS, THE ZONING CARDS TO SEND IT TO IT. SO WE WERE NOT GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER AS NEIGHBORING REGARDING ALL THE REQUESTS AND REQUESTS ACCESS AND THAT WE LIMIT THE USE OF OUR PROPERTY.
WE FOUND OUT DETAILS OF THE PLAN ONLY A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE THEY ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED P AND Z MEETING LIKE TWO WEEKS AGO.
AND WE APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER, A, THAT VOLUNTARILY ACCEPTED TO DELAY THE PAND Z FOR THIS
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DONE.IN OUR SUBSEQUENT MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPER.
THEY SAY THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT THE ACCESS ROAD TO START WITH.
AND IF THERE IS A NEED FOR THE ROAD, THEY DIDN'T CARE WHERE IT BE SO.
THIS IS THE TRACT THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE ZONED TODAY, BY THE WAY, WE LIKE THE DESIGN.
WE HAVE A THIS TRACT IS NOT JUST TRACT OF LAND.
THIS IS LOAD TO BLOCK A OF PRESTON 720 SHOPPING CENTER.
WE MANAGE AND REPRESENT THE INVESTORS THAT OWN THE WELLS FARGO HERE AT WELLS FARGO, THE BISON HEAD AND THE PRESTON AMERICAN MERCANTILE AND THE VACANT LAND.
WE DO NOT MANAGE THE MCDONALD'S OR THE PROSPERITY BANK.
BY THE WAY, HERE YOU CAN SEE THE SUBDIVISION TO THE SOUTH THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANY CONNECTING ROAD TO ANY TO THE COMMERCIAL.
SO NOW WHEN THE SHOPPING CENTER WAS DEVELOPED.
YOU, THE CITY, MADE SURE TO GIVE CONNECTIVITY TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
THIS IS THE FRISCO SIGN, IT'S TAKEN OUT OF FRISCO.
OK, THIS IS THE SHOPPING CENTER HERE.
THIS IS ALL THE DRAWINGS OF THE CITY.
IT SHOWS THE CONNECTIVITY HERE AND IT SHOWS CONNECTIVITY HERE.
AND THAT EXISTS TODAY, ALTHOUGH WE DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF CONNECTIVITY.
THEY ARE SUGGESTING TO HAVE A ROAD CUTTING INTO US IN THE MIDDLE OF THE VACANT LANE.
WE PROPOSE FOR THEM TO USE THE EXISTING CONNECTIVITY.
AND NOW WE DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF CONNECTIVITY BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT IT'S KIND OF IT'S DANGEROUS FOR KIDS RIDING BICYCLES AND TURNING A PRIVATE PARKING LOT INTO A THROUGH ROAD.
AND THEY WERE USING SOMEBODY'S PARKING LOT IS DRIVING ON IT AND NOT MAINTAINING IT.
BUT IF THE CITY INSISTED ON IT, WE SUGGESTED IT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO CONNECT ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND THE DEVELOPER WAS AMENABLE TO THAT.
AND I HAD A MEETING WITH THEM AND THEY DROVE A COUPLE OF IDEAS FOR THE CITY TO CONNECT ON THE NORTH SIDE, BUT THE CITY DOESN'T LIKE IT.
NOW THE CITY THEY TRIED TO SHOW THAT THIS WILL NOT DAMAGE OUR PROPERTY.
THEY SAID THIS PROPOSED SUBDIVISION, THIS IS OUR PROPERTY, THIS IS THE VACANT LAND.
SO THEY WERE TRYING TO SHOW THAT IT WILL NOT DAMAGE OUR PROPERTY AND DO A PLAN THAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S BUILDABLE.
THEY COULDN'T TELL ME HOW MANY SQUARE FEET, HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS AND HAVING TO PUSH IT THIS WAY BECAUSE OF THE ROAD.
THEY PUT IT ON TOP OF PROSPERITY BANK AND MCDONALD BUT IT MIGHT WORK.
SO DURING THE TWO WEEKS OF THE FROM LAST TIME, WE WERE NOT INVITED TO THE LAST TWO WEEKS MEETINGS. AND I HEAR BY ASKING YOU THAT, YOU WILL PLEASE NOT APPROVE THE ROAD THAT DAMAGES OUR LAND.
AND IF YOU IF THERE IS A NEED, WE DON'T LIKE ANY IDEA OF A ROAD.
BUT IF THERE IS A NEED, WE'RE VOLUNTEERING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, ALTHOUGH NOBODY ELSE TALKED TO US BEFORE.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THE NORTHERN ACCESS THAT IS EXISTING RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'VE BEEN NERVOUS AND I ABSOLUTELY YOU DID GREAT.
THANK YOU. LOVE THE PICTURES AS WELL. YOU TO SAVED THOSE OLD TOWN FRISCO, GO USE THEM.
I STARTED WORKING IN FRISCO AND FRISCO WAS EIGHTEEN HUNDRED PEOPLE.
MY FIRST YEAR IN FRISCO WAS IN NINETEEN SEVENTY EIGHT.
THAT'S BEFORE MOST OF YOU WERE BORN.
I WAS. NO, I'M THE CLOSEST ONE TO TRACY MILLER.
[INAUDIBLE] OK, MY NAME IS TRACY MILLER AND I'M THE PROPERTY MANAGER FOR THE COMMERCIAL
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AREAS ADJACENT TO THE WEST OF THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION.AS IT IS THIS BEING SUCH A MAJOR INTERSECTION AND WITH SO MUCH TRAFFIC THAT IS ALREADY CUTTING THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF DRIVERS AND ESPECIALLY CHILDREN ON BICYCLES THAT MAY BE COMING THROUGH THESE ACCESS ROADS THAT ARE BEING SUGGESTED.
AND THOSE ACCESS ROADS ARE LEADING ON TO A PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE BENEFITS, THE RULES OF CITY STREETS.
SO AS THE DAY TO DAY MANAGER OF THIS PROPERTY AND ALSO AS A MOTHER, I'M WORRIED.
I ALSO LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF US THAT SHULA MENTIONED, WHICH IS A FAIRLY NEW SUBDIVISION, AND THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY ACCESS TO THE ADJACENT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. SO IF IT WASN'T REQUIRED FOR THAT NEIGHBOR, MY REQUEST IS TO ELIMINATE THE PLANNED ACCESS ALTOGETHER.
I WILL BE THE ONE WHO HAS TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS THAT THIS ACCESS CREATES.
SO MY REQUEST IS TO DENY THE ZONING AS IT IS WITH THE ROAD CONNECTION.
YOU'RE NEXT. AND THEN GREGORY SMOLLA.
MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE] 821 MEADOW OAK DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS, 75220.
SORRY THAT I DON'T SPEAK VERY CLEARLY.
I AM AN INVESTOR IN THIS SHOPPING CENTER WHICH INCLUDED THIS LAND.
IT WAS VERY UPSETTING TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE ZONING CASE WITHOUT ANY COMMUNICATION FROM THE CITY OR THE DEVELOPER.
WE WOULD LIKE TO BE A TEAM PLAYER IN OUR OFFERING.
[INAUDIBLE]. WHAT THE CONNECTION IS, A CONNECTION.
WE KNOW THE DEVELOPER IS AN AGREEMENT WITH THIS, MAKING THIS CONNECTION WORK.
THE SOUTH CONNECTION WILL HINDER US FROM DEVELOPING THE CITIES, CREATING A DEAD END STREET. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE SUBDIVISION SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY WAS NOT REQUIRED AN ACCESS ROAD. I WONDER WHY WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO SO.
WHY YOU CANNOT BE TREATED THE SAME.
I WAS A SCIENCE PROFESSOR AND I AM ALWAYS LOOKING FOR LOGIC IN THINGS.
SO I AM LOOKING FOR YOUR P AND Z COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT IS THE CITY TRYING TO DO HERE? MAYBE WE ALL NEEDED TO HAVE SOME MORE TIME TO LOOK AT IT.
I'M HEREBY ASKING YOU TO DENY THIS REQUEST IS [INAUDIBLE].
PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM, AND IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO PASS OUT, JOHN, HE CAN HELP YOU THERE. MY NAME IS GREGORY SHAMON.
I AM THE ATTORNEY FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.
WHAT IS YOUR ADDRESS, SIR? I'M AT 1800 VALLEY VIEW LANE SUITE 200.
I HAVE A LETTER THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE FILE THAT I WROTE TO RICHARD ABERNATHY AND ASKED HIM TO PUT IT IN THE FILE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? FOR US TO SEE THAT? THANK YOU, SIR.
I'M HERE TODAY AFTER I WROTE A CORRESPONDENCE LETTER TO MR. RICHARD ABERNATHY, WHO I HAVE WORKED WITH AND AGAINST FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR HIM.
AND HE CALLED ME AFTER MISS NETZER MET WITH A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY AND ASKED ME WHAT THE ISSUE WAS.
I EXPLAINED TO HIM AND THEN I WROTE HIM THIS LETTER AND ASKED HIM TO PUT IT IN THE FILE.
I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT WHAT MY CLIENTS HAVE SAID, BUT I WANT TO ADDRESS THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF MY LETTER TO MR. ABERNATHY. IT READS AS FOLLOWS.
THE CONCERN OF MY CLIENT IS REAL TO HER WHEN SHE DEVELOPS HER PROPERTY.
SHE WAS TOLD BY MR. LETTELLEIR THAT THE CITY WILL REQUIRE HER TO MAKE PART OF HER DEVELOPMENT AND INGRESS AND EGRESS THAT CONNECTS TO THE DEAD END ROAD.
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I DON'T KNOW IF MY FINGER CAN SHOW YOU THE DEAD END ROAD, BUT CAN YOU SEE IT ON THE SOUTH AND EVERYONE THAT DEAD ENDS INTO THE FOUR ACRES.IF SHE FAILS TO DO SO, SHE WAS TOLD THAT SHE WILL BE DENIED THE ABILITY TO DEVELOP CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT ZONING CODES AND ORDINANCES.
I AM HERE TO SUGGEST THERE IS A BETTER WAY.
BOTH THE DEVELOPER AND THE ADJACENT LAND OWNER HAVE OFFERED A CONNECTION TO THE NORTH.
NATURE HAS BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME.
SHE DOES NOT WISH TO BE TOXIC WITH THE CITY OR ANYONE ELSE.
WE ONLY ASK YOU, BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE ABLE TO EXPLAIN OUR CONCERNS, IS THAT YOU GIVE GREAT CONSIDERATION TO WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR PROPERTY.
IF THERE'S IF THERE'S THIS SO-CALLED TO AND THROUGH THOROUGHFARE THAT MAY GO ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY WHEN SHE DECIDES TO SUBMIT PLANS AND BUILD A EXTENSION OF THE SHOPPING CENTER THERE. WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT? WHO IS GOING TO MAINTAIN IT? WHO IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR LIABILITY AND ACCIDENTS RELATED THERE TO IF THIS IS A THOROUGHFARE AND TO AND THROUGH FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THOSE THAT ARE NOT INVITEES OF THE SHOPPING CENTER, BUT FOR THOSE WHO ARE INVITEES OR HOMEOWNERS IN AN ADJACENT SUBDIVISION, I CAN'T TELL THE CITY WHAT TO DO OR HOW TO DO IT, NOR CAN MISS NETZER.
WE CAN ONLY POINT OUT OUR CONCERNS AND WE CAN POINT OUT WHAT MAY HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE IF MR. LETTELEIR'S STATEMENTS TO HER ARE TRUE.
IT IS. AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE ADVERSARIAL WITH YOU ALL.
I'VE BEEN SAYING IT AND GOD BLESS YOU.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE TOXIC.
BUT IT IS AND WILL BE A REGULATORY TAKING.
IT'S WRONG TO OWN FOUR ACRES NEXT TO THIS SUBDIVISION WHEN THE SUBDIVISION ACROSS THE STREET DIDN'T HAVE TO AND THROUGH THOROUGHFARE AND TO IMPOSE THAT UPON MY CLIENT.
THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD CARE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG.
SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0.
SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR STAFF, JONATHAN.
SO THE PROPERTY ADJACENT, THIS IS ZONED RETAIL, CORRECT? THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST IS COMMERCIAL ONE.
I WILL SAY THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE IS A COMMERCIAL ONE? YES. AND THEN DOWN HERE IS WHAT? WHAT'S THE ZONING? I THINK THAT'S COMMERCIAL ONE AS WELL.
BUT LET ME JUST ASK MY QUESTION A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, WHAT IS THE REASON FOR HAVING T HIS STUFF OUT HERE? BECAUSE THE FUTURE RETAIL IS IT? YEAH, SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES THERE THAT CONNECTIVITY MAY BE MADE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, THAT THIS[INAUDIBLE] BE PROVIDED FOR INTERCONNECTIVITY FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS.
WE'RE SEEING THAT. I'VE SEEN THAT ALL OVER.
THAT'S CORRECT. THIS IS IT'S VERY COMMON.
HAPPENED IN SEVERAL OTHER PLACES IN FRISCO.
AND THAT IS WHAT IS PROPOSED HERE.
ONE THING TO MENTION, SO THE STREET STUB IS A CITY STREET WHEN IT'S STUBS INTO THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, THAT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY A FIRE LANE, IT WILL BE CONNECTING INTO A FIRE LINE POTENTIALLY THAT GOES AROUND THE BUILDING, NOT A THOROUGHFARE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S NOT A THOROUGHFARE. THAT'S RIGHT.
IT'S NOT DESIGNED TO BE A THOROUGHFARE.
SO[INAUDIBLE] APPRECIATE THAT, BECAUSE THE QUESTION I DON'T KNOW THAT WHY THE PROPERTY OF THE SOUTH HAD A DIFFERENT DIDN'T HAVE A STREET STOP.
SO THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH AND UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN.
YEAH. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT ON THE LOCATOR MAP.
SO THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH HAS A STREET.
THE BOUNDARY OF THE SUBDIVISION IS A STREET SO THAT THOSE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS COULD
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TIE IN HERE AND HERE.YOU KNOW, THE PERIMETER IS A STORY WHERE DEVELOPMENT CAN GET INTO THE STREET.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT.
YES. WHEN THOSE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES DEVELOP, THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT TO CONNECT INTO THAT YOU WOULD T INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS HERE.
SO. SO WHAT WE'RE, FROM AN ORDINANCE PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE, CORRECT? RIGHT. SO WHEN YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL HOOKING UP OR NEXT TO A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT SAYS YOU NEED TO HAVE THE STREET STUFF.
THAT'S CORRECT. OR YOU NEED [INAUDIBLE] SOUTHERN PROPERTY.
YOU WOULD T INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IF IT WAS ALL COMMERCIAL, WE PROVIDE CROSS ACCESS IS PROVIDED BETWEEN LOTS AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS. SO WHEN YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, ADJACENT A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S TRADITIONALLY A POINT OF CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO.
FOR THOSE REASONS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC CONNECTIVITY, TRAFFIC FLOW, EMERGENCY ACCESS.
SO ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT'S SUBJECT TO TONIGHT, THERE IS NOT JUST A STREET THAT RUNS ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THIS.
SO THERE IS A SPECIFIC POINT, A SPECIFIC STUB THAT IS PROPOSED.
AND LET ME ASK A QUESTION DIFFERENT FROM AN ORDINANCE PERSPECTIVE.
SO FROM AN ORDINANCE PERSPECTIVE, IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE THIS STUB? IT IS REQUIRED PER SUBSECTION 4.0717 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO WE CAN'T SIT HERE AND SAY WE CAN'T HAVE A STUB, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE. SO IS THAT A TRUE STATEMENT? IF THE TRUE STATEMENT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
SO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS A SPECIFIC SET OF STANDARDS FOR A PROPERTY, BUT THEY POINT OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS NOT JUST TO CIRCUMVENT THE STANDARDS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THEY ARE TO CREATE SOMETHING UNIQUE.
SO, YES, I WOULD SAY I THINK IT'S REQUIRED FOR ORDINANCE.
YES. OK, I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION ON LET'S GO TO THE ZONING NOTIFICATION.
YOU SAID THERE WAS A MEETING WITH THE HOMEOWNERS AROUND THERE.
YES. SO TYPICALLY WHEN WE ARE WORKING WITH AN APPLICANT WHO IS INTERESTED IN REZONING PROPERTY, WE ASK THAT THEY REACH OUT TO THE ADJACENT HOAS.
THE ADJACENT RESIDENCE AHEAD OF MAKING THE FORMAL SUBMISSION TO DISCUSS THE REQUEST.
SO THAT IS WHAT THE APPLICANT DID ON SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2020.
AND THAT IS COMMON PRACTICE THAT THEY REACH OUT TO.
NOT A REQUIREMENT. RIGHT, THAT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S CORRECT. BECAUSE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS DON'T HAVE THE HOA, DO WE NOTIFY WERE THEY NOTIFIED BY, IS THAT NORMAL? WE DO NOT.
IT IS NOT TYPICAL THAT ADJACENT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS ARE REACHED OUT TO AT THAT POINT AND THAT THOSE COURTESY MEETINGS THAT ARE HELD.
WHAT IS REQUIRED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW IS THAT WE SEND PROPERTY OWNER NOTICES TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS, COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, WITHIN TWO HUNDRED FEET OF THE REQUEST.
WE DID DO THAT ON THE DAY THAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO DO THAT.
AND THAT IS THE NOTICE THAT MISS NETZER GOT AND SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER TONIGHT.
SO IF WE COULD GO TO THE MAP THAT SHOWS THE STREETS, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THE THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, I THINK SEEMS TO BE PRETTY WELL DONE, A LITTLE UNHAPPY WITH IT NOT GETTING TO THE 15 PERCENT, YOU KNOW,, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN DENSER NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS.
I AM HAPPY WITH THE AMENITY LEVEL THAT WE HAVE ON THE OPEN SPACE THAT WE DO HAVE.
BUT SO IN TERMS OF OUR ORDINANCE, OUR RULES AND, YOU KNOW, IS THERE I MEAN, TO ME, THIS JUST DOES NOT SEEM LIKE A VIABLE LOCATION UP HERE FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
SURE. JUST ONE BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN IN FRISCO FOR TWENTY FOUR YEARS, SO I'VE BEEN TO THIS SHOPPING CENTER A LOT AND I APPRECIATE THE SHOPPING CENTER.
BUT COMING IN HERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE VIABLE.
IT'S NOT REALLY THE GOAL HERE IS TO GET RESIDENTIAL INTO THE COMMERCIAL.
SO THESE PEOPLE HAVE I MEAN, THAT'S THE OBJECTIVE IS FOR THESE PEOPLE TO GO THIS WAY.
NOT SO MUCH FOR PEOPLE TO GO THIS WAY, BUT THIS JUST SEEMS REALLY TIGHT AND I DON'T SEE A WORKABLE SOLUTION THERE.
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SO I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THAT.SO THE DEVELOPMENT, THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU SAY ON THE SCREEN OVER HERE IS OLDER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND ACTUALLY.
SO WHAT YOU WILL SEE ON THAT AERIAL THAT I PROVIDED IS THAT THAT COMMERCIAL BUILDING, THIS COMMERCIAL BUILDING HERE, IT SITS ON THE FIRE LANE THAT THERE IS NO SPACE.
SO IF WE WERE TO LOOK TO MAKE A CONNECTION IN THIS AREA HERE WHERE YOU HAVE KIND OF A STRAIGHT SHOT DOWN HERE, IF YOU WERE TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION IN THE NORTH, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, IN ORDER TO MAKE THE RADII AND ALL OF THAT WORK, ALL OF THAT WOULD HAVE TO OCCUR ON THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE IS NO ROOM ON THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WHEN IT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED TO ITS OLDER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S OUR STANDARDS OF CHANGE.
AND THEN TWO, AS YOU WERE ALLUDING TO EARLIER, WITH IT BEING AS CLOSE TO MAIN STREET AS IT IS, IF THERE IS ANY CONCERN FOR CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC, THAT IS A LOT MORE LIKELY TO OCCUR ON THE NORTH SIDE VERSUS THE SOUTH SIDE.
IT JUST SEEMS SUPER TIGHT HERE THIS WAY AND IN HERE, WHICH WOULD CREATE SOME TRAFFIC CHALLENGES. SO.
I'LL ASK A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL, I MEAN, HAVE WE LOOKED AT EITHER ONE OF THESE LOCATIONS? SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, I THINK.
IS THAT THE SAME ISSUE? IS THAT THE EXISTING? SIMILAR ISSUE.
CONCRETE DOES NOT COME TO THE PROPERTY LINE? YES, THAT'S ANOTHER TRUE STATEMENT.
SO I ALSO PROVIDED THEY PLAT WAS ONE OF THE 11 BY 17 COPY THAT I PROVIDED TO YOU ALL.
SO THERE IS A SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT THROUGH THERE, A COUPLE FEET.
AND THEN THE FIRE LANE ITSELF IS NOT ON THE PROPERTY LINE THERE.
SO THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THE NORTH SIDE AND THESE OTHER LOCATIONS IS THIS GAP IN THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS ARE NOT CONCRETE, IT'S NOT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE? SO YOU CAN'T CONNECT TO IT. THAT IS CORRECT.
THE EASEMENT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAT, THE EASEMENT, DOES NOT GO TO THAT PROPERTY LINE.
I KNOW MISS NETZER HAS STATED THAT THE PAVEMENT GOES TO THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT THERE IS NOT AN EASEMENT TO THE PROPERTY LINE, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PLAT SO, I MEAN, THE PLAT IS THE PLAT.
I MEAN, SO LET ME ASK A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS THEN.
SO WE HAVE PROPERTY, MS. NETZER'S PROPERTY HERE AND WE HAVE SOMETHING RIGHT HERE.
DO DO WE CARE IF IT COMES HERE, I MEAN, OR SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE, IS IT BETTER? AND I'LL ASK MS. NETZGER'S QUESTION HERE IN A MINUTE. OK, BUT I'M LOOKING FOR OPTIONS TO OPTIMIZE THEIR PIECE OF PROPERTY AND MINIMIZE ANY IMPACT.
BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE CONCRETE.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DRIVE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING NO MATTER WHAT.
RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. I MEAN.
THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL BE REALLY AND SO WHERE IT'S BEST TO CONNECT TO THAT FIRE LANE IS REALLY WHAT THE QUESTION IS OUTSTANDING, IN MY OPINION.
SO, MS. NETZGER, IF I CAN ASK YOU A QUESTION, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP, I WILL ASK YOU A QUESTION.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SOME LEGAL REQUIREMENTS HERE FROM AN ORDINANCE PERSPECTIVE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH.
AND THERE IS NO, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE QUESTION, BECAUSE FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE.
I HAVE TO FOLLOW A PROCESS HERE.
SO BEAR WITH ME. OK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IS IF THEY'RE IN IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DEVELOPERS AMIABLE TO MAKING CHANGES, THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE VIABLE CHANGES.
RIGHT. SO MY QUESTION IS, IF WE CAME HERE AND, YOU KNOW, AND DID IT HERE, WHICH IS CLOSER
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TO THE EDGE, DOES THAT GIVE YOU MORE WORK ABILITY IN YOUR ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT YOU THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? BECAUSE RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR ENVIRONMENT AND THEN EVERYBODY IS GOING TO DRIVE AROUND YOUR BUILDING NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO.SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
IF WE WERE I [INAUDIBLE] I DON'T WANT TO DO IT RIGHT THERE BECAUSE THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE EASEMENT AND WE DON'T WANT TO FIGHT THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT THEIR BUSINESS ON THAT SIDE. BUT.
IS THERE IS AN EXISTING EASEMENT? [INAUDIBLE] IS THERE AN EXISTING EASEMENT RIGHT NOW OR THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE AN EASEMENT? NO, THERE'S NOT AN EASEMENT.
THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. IT STARTS OUT RIGHT HERE AND COMES THIS WAY ON THE PLAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT STARTS.
BUT WHEREVER THE BUILDING, WHEREVER WE CAN START THE DIRECT CONNECTION INTO THE LAND, BUT GIVE YOU AS MUCH ROOM TO DEAL WITH THAT.
MY QUESTION IS, WOULD THAT BE BETTER FOR YOU? AND THEN IF THEN I WILL ASK THE DEVELOPER IF THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, GET US CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE OVER HERE.
THAT WAY YOU COULD HAVE A DRIVEWAY HERE.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
YOU ARE THE FIRST PERSON IN THE CITY THAT IS CONCERNED OF WHERE IT'S GOING TO HIT OUR PROPERTY. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
AND AS I SAID, WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
WE ARE HERE. WE HOPE TO BE GOOD CITIZENS.
BUT THE WAY IT'S LOCATED NOW IS THAT AND THEREFORE I THOUGHT ALL ALONG THAT WE SHOULD SEAT ALL OF US, THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITY AND WORK ON A CONSTRUCTIVE IDEAS.
AND THE TWO WEEKS THAT WE ASKED FOR THE POSTPONEMENT, THEY DID NOT INCLUDE US AGAIN.
AND WE WERE NOT INCLUDED IN ANY OF THE WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, BUT THEY DON'T WANT US. SO I APPRECIATE, MR. COX, THAT YOU'RE REALLY THE FIRST ONE IN THE CITY THAT CARED ABOUT THE LOCATION.
AND WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS FOR US TO SAY TO THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITY, WE DON'T WANT TO HARM THE DEVELOPER.
WE LOVE THE DESIGN OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE LOVE EVERYTHING. IT'S JUST WE DON'T WANT TO GET HURT IN THE PROCESS.
SO IF ANYBODY AND WE'LL SIT TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE HINDERS AND WHAT ARE THE GOOD THINGS AND WHY CAN'T WE DO IT IDEALLY.
SO THAT IT WILL BENEFIT EACH OTHER.
THERE MAY BE REASONS I'M NOT AWARE OF AND REALITY IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FIRE.
YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE A FIRE LANE BACK HERE NO MATTER WHAT.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A FIRE LANE HERE BECAUSE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS HERE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT. I THINK WE HAVE ALREADY A FIRE LANE.
MR. COX, WE'RE DRAWING THE LINE, I THINK IS NOT MATCHING UP.
HANG ON, IT'S DOUBLE LINES, FOR SOME REASON EVERYTHING IS GOING DOUBLE LINES, BUT RIGHT HERE. I THINK IT'S NOT ON THE SAME SPOT.
BUT I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS YOUR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT'S ONLY THERE WILL BE, OK, THEN THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THEM.
HOW WIDE IS A FIRE LANE? SO LET ME TAKE THAT IF YOU DON'T MIND SITTING DOWN FOR THAT.
YEAH. SO, JONATHAN, WE'RE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THIS MACHINE UP HERE BECAUSE IT'S GOING OVER ABOUT AN INCH. RIGHT.
THE, YOU KNOW, MAKING SOME OF THESE CHANGES HERE.
YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES THAT TWO PERCENT OF THAT? IS IT RIGHT IN HERE WHERE IT STARTS TO I'M SORRY, RIGHT HERE WHERE IT STARTS TO MOVE? YEAH. SO IT'S KIND OF WHERE THE EXISTING OR THE EXISTING FIRE LANE IS, THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A GAP.
THAT'S WHERE THE THE EASEMENT ISSUE IS? RIGHT. BECAUSE, AGAIN, THAT'S DEVELOPED, THAT'S PLATTED, THE EASEMENTS ARE REFLECTED ON THOSE PLATS. WHEN THIS COMES IN FOR DEVELOPMENT, IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE PLATTED AND GET THOSE EASEMENTS SO THAT WE TALK ABOUT FIRE LANES, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE THESE BUILDINGS, IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A FIRE LANE AROUND THE BUILDING.
SO I'M TRYING TO DRAW HERE AND IT'S KILLING ME THAT IT'S NOT COMING UP RIGHT.
SO RIGHT THERE YOU HAVE THE ALLEY? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO STUB INTO THE ALLEY, BUT MAYBE THE LOT NEXT DOOR.
YOU KNOW, IF WE GET CLOSER TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, THAT GIVES US, YOU KNOW, WHAT I DON'T WANT IS A RUNWAY HERE.
I WANT TO TURN AND SO THAT GETS US A TURN.
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SO IS THAT? IS YOUR WHAT IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH THAT? IF WE WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE? YOU KNOW, FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, IT WOULD REQUIRE A REDESIGN OF THOSE LOTS.REGARDING THE TURN, JOEL COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO WHAT CAN AND CANNOT OCCUR FROM IT.
YOU HAVE A TRAFFIC REPORT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
WE ALSO ARE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO THE T BONE INTO PEOPLE'S HOUSES SO THAT LIGHTS AND SO FORTH. EXACTLY.
I MEAN. IT'S A GREAT DESIGN [INAUDIBLE].
MA'AM, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
OK, SO, YOU KNOW, SO I'LL ASK JOEL IF HE CAN COME UP AND AT LEAST ADDRESS IT HERE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.
I THINK THE CONCERN IN REALITY GOES AWAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT FIRE LANE HERE.
NO MATTER WHAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU'LL HAVE A FIRE LANE AROUND THE PROPERTY NO MATTER WHAT. AND SO THIS STUB GOING INTO THE FIRE LANE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE OK.
EITHER WAY, IF I CAN GET IT MORE TOWARDS THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, IT GIVES YOU SOME OTHER OPTIONS. BUT FROM AN ORDINANCE PERSPECTIVE [INAUDIBLE] WE NEED TO HAVE A STUB OUT INTO BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL IN WITH THIS CONFIGURATION.
SO, JOEL, IN TERMS OF CONNECTIVITY HERE AND WHERE WHERE WE WOULD POTENTIALLY PLACE A STOP AND JUST MAKING AN ASSUMPTION HERE THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY TURN IT INTO A CUL DE SAC AND COME THROUGH HERE. I MEAN, IS THERE SOMETHING ALONG THERE? THERE ARE POSSIBILITIES.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW THE ALLEY CONNECTS.
FOR INSTANCE, WE DON'T ALLOW AN ALLEY TO LINE UP WITH THE STREET CONNECTION ACROSS THE ROAD. SO THERE'S THINGS WHERE THAT IF YOU PUT THE ROAD CONNECTION THERE THAN THE ALLEY WOULD HAVE TO TURN AND GO SOUTH, PERHAPS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THINGS THERE'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A RIPPLE EFFECT.
BUT RIGHT HERE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE HERE.
BUT THEN YOU'RE POINTING TO THE BACK INTO THE FENCE OF THAT HOUSE.
WELL, THAT'S A STUB THAT COMES IN AND GOES TO THE SIDE OF A HOUSE.
THAT'S NOT REALLY A PROBLEM, BUT IT'S MORE IF THE STREET IS OFFSET FROM THE OTHER STREET TO CLOSE, YOU CAN'T HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND YOU ALSO CAN'T HAVE THE ALLEY LINE UP WITH IT. SO THERE'S A COUPLE LIMITATIONS LIKE THAT.
THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE IT HERE.
IT JUST DOESN'T MATCH UP WELL.
RIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT IT'S A JOG.
BUT IF THE ALLEY IF THE ALLEY TURNED SOUTH, IF THIS ALLEY WENT LIKE THIS, THEN, YOU KNOW, THE STREET CONNECTION MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT BECAUSE THE ALLEY WOULD NO LONGER BE THERE.
THAT'S A POTENTIAL OPTION, I THINK.
I THINK YOU CAN GO ONE LOT NORTH AND POTENTIALLY WE'LL GO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BROWN.
WELL, THEN THE ISSUE IS YOU CAN'T BE TOO CLOSE TO THIS.
YOU CAN'T HAVE THE TWO STREETS LIKE THIS.
THEY HAVE TO EITHER BE OFFSET LIKE THIS OR THEY HAVE TO LINE UP.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S DOWN SOUTH.
SO NOW SO THE REALITY IS WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONNECTION IN HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A FIRE LANE AROUND THE PROPERTY NO MATTER WHAT, FROM AN ORDINANCE PERSPECTIVE ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY LIKE WE HAVE.
LIKE WE HAVE HERE, HERE AND HERE.
ALL RIGHT. JUST SOMETHING JUST TO POINT OUT IS JUST VISITING WITH THE APPLICANT ON THIS.
SO, TRYING TO TURN THIS ALLEY OUT HERE, JUST VISITING WITH THE APPLICANT, THAT MAKES IT CHALLENGING AND DEVELOPING THAT.
I MEAN, JUST THAT SMALL TERM MAKES IT CHALLENGING.
YEAH, YEAH, SO I'M DONE WITH MY QUESTION FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
I APPRECIATE APPLICANT, I APPRECIATE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS AND OWNERS HERE IN FRISCO.
AS I LOOK THROUGH, I ACTUALLY LIVE CLOSE TO THIS PROPERTY MORE THAN I WANT TO ADMIT.
I'VE CUT OFF THAT MAIN STREET TO CUT THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY, TO GET TO THE MCDONALD'S.
AND IT CAN BE A SCARY TRACT BECAUSE PEOPLE GO, I KNOW THE SPEED LIMIT'S 50, BUT I THINK EVERYONE THINKS IT'S SEVENTY FIVE SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA.
SO I'M GLAD. ME PERSONALLY, I KNOW YOU'RE OFFERING TO PUT IN THAT NORTHERN WEST CORNER.
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I WOULDN'T BE IN SUPPORT OF IT IF IT WERE UP THERE JUST BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL THAT WOULD FIT THIS PROPERTY WELL.AND I DO WANT TO LOOK OUT FOR THE RESIDENTS.
I WANT TO LOOK OUT FOR DEVELOPERS.
I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT WHEN YOU DO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REST OF YOUR PROPERTY, AS IT CURRENTLY LAYS OUT.
I FEEL IT IS THE BEST USE AND FOR SAFETY FOR THE ORDINANCE.
AND WITH THE CURRENT LAYOUT, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF HOW IT'S LAID OUT CURRENTLY.
DO YOU LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION OF THE COMMISSION.
DO YOU THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A STOP HERE? AND YES, I HAD THIS QUESTION EARLIER BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN ENTRANCE HERE AND YOU'RE COMING HERE AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE EGRESS HERE OR INGRESS HERE ON OFF OF HUDSON ROAD.
I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS.
WE HAVE TO DO IT IN TERMS OF ORDINANCE.
I THINK WE'RE EARLY ENOUGH IN THE STAGE WHERE, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST I'M OF ONE OPINION, BUT I FEEL YOU CAN STILL BUILD A BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT IN THERE THAT, AS YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE 20 FOOT FIRE LANE GOING AROUND.
24 FOOT WHAT DID I SAY? TWENTY FOUR FOOT. NOT TWENTY FOOT, TWENTY FOUR FOOT.
YES. GOING AROUND, I THINK THERE'S STILL WE'RE EARLY ENOUGH THAT WE CAN STILL ACCOMPLISH HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THAT PROPERTY.
IT CAN STILL BE A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROPERTY, IN MY OPINION.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
COMMISSIONER KENDALL? WHEN THIS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BEHIND THE PROSPERITY BANK, THERE'S A BROWN BUILDING IS THAT EXISTS THAT BUILDING EXISTS OR IS THAT TO BE? OH, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE JUST GO BACK TO THE PLAN.
THE PLAN? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PLAN THAT STAFF PUT TOGETHER? LOOK AT THE PD. I MEAN THAT THE.
YEAH. HERE. SO, YES, THE BROWN BUILDING IS THAT BROWN BUILDING EXISTS.
IT DOES NOT THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
THAT IS CORRECT. IT IS A VACANT IT IS A VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THIS IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE.
VIABILITY OF THAT. YOU KNOW, HOW HURTING THE THE NEIGHBORS ABILITY TO DEVELOP THAT WITH THE STREET. BUT THE STREET IS REQUIRED.
THE STAFF HAS REQUIRED WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO AT SOME POINT, WHATEVER GETS DEVELOPED HERE, WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT STREET? THAT'S CORRECT. IF WE APPROVE THIS? CORRECT? CORRECT. I GOT IT.
THANK YOU. SURE. CAN I JUST CLARIFY SOME COMMENTS YOU MADE EARLIER AROUND THE STUB AND SO THE STUB WOULD CONNECT TO A FIRE LANE? RIGHT. AND WOULD THAT BE ACCESSIBLE OR HAVE SOME SORT OF [INAUDIBLE] OR COULD A CAR TAKE THIS IN ANY TIME THEY WOULD WANT? MY CAR COULD JUST GO THROUGH THERE ANY TIME THEY WANT, JUST LIKE THIS SAME SCENARIO ALL OVER THE CITY OR A WALKER.
SOME SORT OF TRANSPORTATION? CORRECT. IT IT IS NOT GATED, NO.
[INAUDIBLE] TO FOLLOW WITH THE QUESTION, JUST ASKED, IS THAT EVER AN OPTION IN UNIQUE SCENARIOS WHERE WE DO GET A CONNECTION BETWEEN TWO DEVELOPMENTS? NO, BECAUSE AGAIN, THESE ARE CONNECTIONS ARE FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS AND CIRCULATION.
AND SO WE WOULD WE WOULDN'T PUT A CRASH GATE THERE AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS.
NO. OK, BECAUSE I DO I FULLY APPRECIATE THE THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS CONCERN JUST WITH THE UNCERTAINTY THERE.
I WISH WE COULD FIND SOME KIND OF SOLUTION.
A QUESTION, JONATHAN, DOWN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH.
YES. BECAUSE I THOUGHT WAS A VERY FAIR QUESTION THAT MR. NETZGER, I BELIEVE, ASKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? ANY OF YOUR MAPS WORK THAT SHOW THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH? YEAH, I THINK THIS ONE PROBABLY SHOWS IT BEST.
THE SIZE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY DIFFERENT.
THAT STREET THAT'S KIND OF RUNS ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH.
NOW, IF YOU COULD DRAW A LINE ON THAT AT ALL.
THE SHORT ONE. THE VERY SHORT ONE THAT'S CLOSEST TO THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT, IT'S KIND OF THE NORTH SOUTH.
THIS? NORTH SOUTH, IF YOU WERE TO KEEP COMING DOWN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FROM VILLAGE ON MAIN STREET AND YEAH, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE, IF I CAN COUNT CORRECTLY, THAT'S ONLY SIX HOUSES ARE CORRECT, ROUGHLY.
SO THIS RIGHT HERE, IF THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S AN ALLEY TO ME. THAT'S KIND OF THE PARALLEL TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT UP ON THE NORTH IS THE QUESTION OF WHY IS THERE NOT? THAT'S WHY I UNDERSTOOD. THE QUESTION WAS WHY IS THERE NOT A STUB OUT REQUIRED AMONG THOSE SIX HOUSES.
AND A STUB OUT IS REQUIRED FOR THIS SUBDIVISION.
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CORRECT. IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THEN THAT THAT NEED IS MET.THE REQUIREMENT IS MET THROUGH A DIFFERENT THROUGH A DIFFERENT LOCATION BECAUSE THEY'RE ADJACENT TO THE COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH.
YEAH. SO THIS YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE FULL EXTENT, BUT THAT'S A SUBDIVISION.
AND THIS IS A LOT, SO THIS LOT COULD START BECAUSE THIS IS A STUB, BUT HE COULD STUB OUT ANYWHERE IN THAT YELLOW AREA BECAUSE THOSE ARE CITY STREETS.
OK? AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
THAT'S THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS THERE'S A LOT THERE'S MULTIPLE PLACES WHERE IT COULD STUB OUT. BUSY ONE OTHER WAY TO SAY IT IS THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THERE IS A CITY STREET, ONE ON THE PERIMETER OF THAT SUBDIVISION TO THE SOUTH.
SO, I MEAN, IT CAN CONNECT AS LONG AS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MEET THE RADII AND ALL THESE OTHER REQUIREMENTS. IT COULD CONNECT GENERALLY ANYWHERE IN THAT AREA WHERE THE STREET IS.
OK, BUT FOR MY CLARIFICATION, IF AND WHEN THEY DO BUILD THAT ON THE SOUTH, BUILT THAT OUT ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, THERE WILL BE A STUB? CORRECT.
BY OR THERE WILL BE A CONNECTION.
THE CONNECTIONS. AND THE STUB WILL BE BUILT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YES. TO SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT.
WELL, ACTUALLY, THE COMMERCIAL WILL HAVE TO BUILD TO THE EXISTING ROAD, SPEAKERS] THERE WILL BE A CONNECTION.
THE COMMERCIAL WILL NEED TO BUILD A CONNECTION TO WHAT? THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IT'S THE SAME LAW, SAME ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL. RIGHT.
AND IT APPEARS TO ME WHAT AND I BELIEVE THE PROPERTY OWNER SAID THIS IS WE'RE CUTTING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THEIR PROPERTY WITH THIS STUFF.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION CAME.
IS THERE ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS I'M CUTTING THROUGH THE MIDDLE? CAN WE GO IN BETWEEN THE EXISTING AND WHAT'S THERE? AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THE PROBLEM IS THERE ARE A LOT OF CHALLENGES WITH THE CURRENT DESIGN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN ORDER TO MEET THAT.
AND SO CAN WE CURB THE ALLEY? JOEL WAS SAYING THAT'S A CHALLENGE BECAUSE OF THE WAY EVERYTHING WORKS.
I WOULD I GOES BACK TO THE DESIGN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF IF THE COMMISSION BELIEVES THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE DESIGN.
I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MOVE OFF THE THE ACTUAL STUB TO THE NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST.
AND IN MY SHORT NUMBER OF YEARS SITTING UP HERE, ONE THING I'VE LEARNED IS ABOUT DENSITY.
DENSITY IN MANY CASES IS OK AND DENSITY ACTUALLY BRINGS PEOPLE TOGETHER AND DENSITY IN DIFFERENT PRODUCTS IS A GOOD THING.
WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, THOUGH, IS DENSITY REQUIRES OPEN SPACE AND THIS TRACT HAS EIGHT PERCENT OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS ALMOST HALF OF OUR REQUIREMENT.
I'VE BEEN WALKING A LOT THE LAST NINE MONTHS.
I APPRECIATE EVERY BIT OF OPEN SPACE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I'M CONCERNED THAT THESE THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT WILL LIVE HERE, PLUS OR MINUS TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY SIX HOMES OR 73 HOMES FOR THREE TO FOUR HOME WILL NOT HAVE ENOUGH OPEN SPACE TO ENJOY TO ACTUALLY HAVE GREEN SPACE. AND I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED OPEN SPACE. AND I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF HAVING OF I LOVE THE DESIGN.
I LOVE THAT YOU'VE AGREED TO A AMENITIZE THESE AREAS.
THERE'S WATER WHICH ACTUALLY THEN FURTHER REDUCES THE OPEN SPACE, AS MENTIONED BY STAFF.
AND I CANNOT SUPPORT IT FROM THAT RESPECT.
SO WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO LOOK AT YOUR DESIGN, FIGURE OUT HOW YOU CAN INCORPORATE MORE OPEN SPACE AND BE ECONOMICAL.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE ECONOMICAL IN THAT DESIGN, WORK OUT THE STUB, FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WORKS TO THE WEST.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS WON'T WORK.
YOU'VE GOT A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT.
YOU COME DOWN THIS SIDE OVER HERE, COMMISSIONER MORGAN.
I TEND TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BOX.
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THIS IS HALF THE GREEN SPACE THAT WE REALLY HAVE IN AREAS LIKE THIS.THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE AND A SMALL AMOUNT OF SPACE HERE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING ADDRESSED THERE.
AND I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE STUFF, BUT IT DOES CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO RELOOK AT THIS WHOLE DESIGN, TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A MORE AMENABLE SOLUTION TO THAT WITH THE NEIGHBORING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, BUT THERE WAS A PICTURE UP HERE A MINUTE AGO THAT HAD THE BUILDINGS NOT THERE, BUT THERE WAS A CONCEPT, I GUESS, OF A BUILDING THERE.
I UNDERSTAND, I THINK STAFF PUT THAT CONCEPT TOGETHER JUST IT.
THAT'S TRUE. SO THAT WAS NOT FROM THE APPLICANT, CORRECT? I MEAN, NOT FROM THE APPLICANT OR FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I GET YOU. BUT IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW THE PROPERTY COULD BE BUILT OUT.
RIGHT. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PROPERTY IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD, WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON IT. BUT IT DOES SHOW THAT THIS CONNECTION TO THE RESIDENTIAL FEEDS INTO WHAT WOULD BE A FIRE LANE AROUND WHATEVER BUILDING IS THERE, WHICH IS REALLY THE REQUIREMENT. RIGHT? IT'S JUST ACCESS.
IT'S NOT A THOROUGHFARE. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DRIVING EVERY CAR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH THAT STREET. IT'S JUST ACCESS.
CORRECT. SO I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
BUT I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO RELOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT FROM AN OPEN SPACE PERSPECTIVE AND MAYBE A DENSITY PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO RELOOK AT THAT AND MAYBE COME UP, WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER NEXT DOOR, COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WORKS.
AND ON THE ONE THING YOU SAY AND QUESTION FOR JONATHAN ABOUT ACCESS AND CHAIRMAN COX TALKED ABOUT THE ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY OR BASIC INGRESS AND EGRESS. I MEAN, THE ORDINANCE SPEAKS TO THE CONNECTION WITH THE INTENT OF THAT CONNECTION IS GENERAL TRAFFIC FLOW AND EMERGENCY ACCESS.
I MEAN, CAN YOU THINK JOEL WANTS TO EXPAND ON THAT.
I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO EXPLAIN.
ONE OF THE CORE REASONS FOR THESE CONNECTIONS IS SO THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN GET TO THE RETAIL WITHOUT HAVING TO GO OUT ONTO THE ARTERIAL, BOTH WALKERS AND DRIVERS. THE INTENT OF THIS STUFF IS NOT TO PROVIDE A SPOT FOR PEOPLE TO CUT THROUGH AND GET FROM A ROADWAY INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RETAIL.
AND SO THEREFORE, IN THE PAST, WHEN WE'VE LOOKED AND HELP PEOPLE FIGURE OUT WHERE THESE STEPS GO, IT IS BETTER FOR THEM NOT TO LINE UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS VISIBLE AND GOING STRAIGHT TO ANOTHER ROAD, BECAUSE THEN SOMEONE SEES AND GOES, HEY, THAT'S JUST TO CUT THROUGH. BECAUSE THE REAL PURPOSE OF THESE IS JUST FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE RETAIL WALKERS AND DRIVERS, NOT CUT THROUGH PEOPLE.
SO WE DISCOURAGE ANY ALIGNMENT THAT LINES UP.
AND I'M NOT SAYING GOOD OR BAD ANYTHING HERE, BUT SPECIFICALLY LIKE IF THE ROAD LINED UP WITH SOMETHING, THEN IT WENT STRAIGHT OUT TO PRESTON AND WE WOULD SAY, THAT'S NOT GOOD.
YOU DON'T WANT TO LINE UP AND MAKE IT VISIBLE.
THAT JUST LOOKS LIKE A STRAIGHT SHOT.
USUALLY WE RECOMMEND THAT IT'S IN BEHIND THE BUILDING.
I NEVER KNOW HOW TO. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT MAKES THIS ACTUALLY DOESN'T I MEAN, MAKES SOME SENSE THERE, BECAUSE YOU YOU HAVE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO AROUND THE PROPERTY, GET TO THE STUFF.
WE USUALLY RECOMMEND. YOU WON'T EVEN KNOW THE STUBS THERE.
YOU'RE COMING OFF OF PRESTON UNLESS YOU DRIVE AROUND TO THE BACK OF A BUILDING OR PROPERTY. RIGHT. WE RECOMMEND THAT IT KIND OF BE HIDDEN AS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD, BECAUSE IT'S ONLY REALLY FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO USE YOUR RETAIL AND AND HAVE THAT.
TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SPEND MONEY IN THAT PROPERTY.
RIGHT. YEAH, BUT WE DO NOT AT ALL ENCOURAGE IT TO BE SOME KIND OF ROAD OR THROUGH STREET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE DISCOURAGE THAT.
BUT THIS TYPE OF STUB REQUIRE THAT FIRE SIGN OFF FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
OR IS THE, ARE THE OTHER POINTS OF INGRESS AND EGRESS APPROPRIATE FOR FIRE? IT DOES NEED TO MEET FIRE LANE REQUIREMENTS.
SO IT DOES NEED TO HAVE LIKE A 20 FOOT RADIUS FROM THE STREET INTO THE FIRE LANE.
BUT THE FIRE LANE AROUND THE BUILDING WOULD BE TWENTY FOUR FOOT.
SO I WOULD LIKE THE THE KEY WOULD BE THAT THE LITTLE RADIUS HERE AND HERE WOULD HAVE TO MEET FIRE LANE RADIUS, 20 FOOT RADIUS TO GET FROM ONE TO THE OTHER.
THANK YOU. CAN I ASK A QUESTION WHILE YOU HAVE THAT YELLOW, BEFORE YOU REACH YELLOW IT'S CONCEIVABLE BECAUSE I DO THINK WE REALLY DO WANT TO WORK WITH BOTH THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL. SO THEY HAVE A GOOD LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP.
THAT YELLOW LINE YOU DREW THERE, IT'S CONCEIVABLE THAT THAT COULD BE HIDDEN IF IT WORKED ENGINEERING WISE, THAT THE WAY THE COMMERCIAL GETS DESIGNED, THAT THAT MIGHT BE HIDDEN AND THAT THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMERCIAL PEOPLE AND COMMERCIAL AND IMPORTANT FOR THE FAMILY, I MEAN, THE FAMILIES LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I THINK BOTH SIDES WOULD WANT IT KIND OF HIDDEN.
IT'S THERE. PEOPLE MOVE FREELY BACK AND FORTH, BUT IT DOESN'T BECOME A CUT THROUGH FOR EITHER SIDE, LIKE A LANDSCAPE STANDPOINT.
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AND JUST HOW ARE THE BUILDINGS HIDDEN? DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A STRAIGHT SHOT FROM ANY PLACE.OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IT'S MY CUT THROUGH. YEAH, EXACTLY.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE, LIKE IN PHILIPS CREEK RANCH WITH THE WAL-MART STORE WORKING FOR TWENTY THREE. SAME THING GOES STRAIGHT INTO A FIRE LANE.
SO WE HAVE NUMEROUS EXAMPLES THESE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
AND THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T SEE THEM IS WHY THEY YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THERE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT FOR THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY AND PUBLIC TO SEE.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHY YOU MIGHT NOT NOTICE THEM.
BUT THEY ARE THERE LITTLE SPOTS OF THESE AROUND.
WHAT I KNOW A BIG PART OF THESE CONVERSATIONS AROUND THIS STUB AND THE CONNECTION TO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. AGAIN, I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
I LIKE THE IDEA IF WE CAN MOVE IT UP A LITTLE BIT JUST TO GET IT NOT CUT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY. BUT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY AND THE GREEN SPACE.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE CONCEPTS OF WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED HERE AND THE TYPES OF HOMES AND THE PORCHES AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
BUT THIS LOOKS VERY DENSE TO ME AND HALF THE GREEN SPACE OF NORMAL.
COMMISSIONER COLBERG? I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES FRISCO GREAT IS OUR HIGH STANDARDS, AND I KNOW THAT CAN SEEM FRUSTRATING TO DEVELOPERS AND SOMETIMES SEEM THAT IT MAKES TIME LAG.
AND ALSO, I THINK THAT TIME IS A GOOD THING TO MAKE THINGS EXCELLENT.
AND I DO APPRECIATE THE EXTRA TIME THAT YOU'VE SPENT AND YOUR COMMUNICATION WITH THE CITY TO TRY TO MAKE SOME THINGS MORE EXCELLENT WITH ADDING THE AMENITIES YOU DID AND LOVE THE ART FEATURES. AND MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO CONTINUE THAT TIME A LITTLE BIT MORE JUST TO NOT HAVE A MISS IN REGARDS TO THE OPEN SPACE.
AND WHILE THAT TIME IS HAPPENING, TO ALSO CREATE THAT COMMUNICATION WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS AS EXCELLENT AS IT CAN BE.
THAT WAS MUCH BETTER SAID. YOU'RE GOOD.
COMMISSIONER KELLY? JONATHAN, COULD YOU SHOW THE DEPICTION OF THE FACADES AND THE FRONT PORCHES THAT YOU HAD IN YOUR PACKET? SURE.
SO THE ELEVATIONS THAT ARE IN THE PACKET ARE SPECIFIC TO THE TOWNHOMES.
SO IS THAT PART OF THE PD? YES, THERE ARE. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK LIKE? THERE ARE THREE THERE.
SO SO WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, I'M SIGNING ON THE SIDE OF THIS IS TOO DENSE.
I KNOW THAT YOU WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT, SAID, WELL, WE'LL PUT FRONT PORCHES AND THAT WAY WE'LL HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIVITY.
BUT THESE FRONT PORCHES DON'T GET IT FOR ME.
CAN YOU GO BACK ONE? YEAH. SO THEY'RE RIGHT THERE.
SORRY. I MEAN, I CAN'T SEE A FAMILY SITTING ON THAT FRONT PORCH TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY PASSING BY.
IT JUST LOOKS TO ME LIKE A FRONT PORCH TO PROTECT YOU FROM THE RAIN THAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO TO THE FRONT DOOR.
SO FOR THOSE REASONS, THE DENSITY, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY.
I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT IT'S HALF OF WHAT WE NORMALLY GET.
I DON'T LIKE THE FACADES THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO TRY TO HELP OVERCOME THAT.
AND LIKE COMMISSIONER MORGAN, I THINK THE THE STREET ACCESS AND STUB OUT WILL WORK ITS WAY UP. BUT I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THIS DESIGN.
AND I THINK I REMEMBER FROM THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS THAT SOMETHING COMMISSIONER CONE HAD THE SAME KIND OF FEELINGS AND PRESENTED THOSE TO THE APPLICANT AT THE LAST MEETING. THAT'S THE LAST TIME THIS WAS PRESENTED.
BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE CASE.
CAN I ADD TO THAT REAL QUICK? JON, IN PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS, I HAVE HAD OTHER TOPICS.
WASN'T THERE A MINIMUM PORCH REQUIREMENT OR MAYBE THERE WAS AN IDEAL PORCH REQUIREMENT, AGAIN, JUST TO CREATE WHAT COMMISSIONER KELLY WAS SAYING? JUST THAT COMMUNICATION ABILITY, JUST TO BE ABLE TO SIT OUT THERE TO PUT AN ACTUAL CHAIR OUT THERE TO DO LIFE OUT FRONT.
YES, THERE IS A MINIMUM SEVEN FOOT DEPTH AND 70 SQUARE FOOT ON THE PORCH.
BUT SOMETIMES STOOPS WE CONTRIBUTE THAT ON TOWNHOMES AS A POSSIBILITY.
OK, I'M GOING TO JUST MAKE ONE STATEMENT ON THE FRONT OF THE TOWNHOMES.
I'D LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEPTH TO THEM IN TERMS OF IT'S JUST FLAT ACROSS THE FRONT.
AND MAYBE I SEE A GRIMACE OVER HERE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY CONVERSATIONS I LIKE A LITTLE BIT
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MORE CHARACTER BETWEEN TOWNHOMES AND IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DEPTH.THAT GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, BETTER CLASSIC LOOK.
IF THAT WAS THE ONLY ISSUE WE HAD HERE TONIGHT, AND I'M SURE THAT WOULD BE EASILY SOLVED.
BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME OTHER CONCERNS.
JONATHAN, HOW MANY TOWNHOMES ARE IN A, WHAT'S THE MAX? IS IT FIVE? SIX IS AN EIGHT IN A RUN? SO, JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, NOT THIS CASE SPECIFIC.
SO IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN EIGHT TOWNHOMES, THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE REVIEWED AGAINST COMMERCIAL FOR COMMERCIAL STANDARDS, AGAINST RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I BELIEVE SIX IS THEIR MAXIMUM RUN OF TOWNHOMES.
SO I THINK THE TOWNHOMES AND THE CANALS HAVE A LOT MORE CHARACTER IN TERMS OF THE FRONT FACADES AND SO FORTH, A LITTLE BIT MORE VARIATION IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS, NOT JUST FLAT ACROSS THE FRONT. AND I'M NOT COUNTING THE PORCHES BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE PORCHES AND SO FORTH. BUT I THINK IF THIS DOES GO BACK AND GETS REDESIGNED, I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGE THERE, TRY TO GIVE SOME CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK THERE.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY. AND OBVIOUSLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT WORLD, I REALIZE THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE, AND I KNOW FRISCO PRIDES ITSELF ON ITS OPEN SPACE.
SO WHEN THEY WERE WILLING TO MAKE A CONTINGENCY BECAUSE OF THE AMENITIES YOU'RE PUTTING IN, MAYBE WALK US THROUGH THAT BECAUSE I AM CURIOUS IF IT WENT DOWN.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING THAT APPEASE TO THEM.
I'D LOVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT TOOK FOR THEM TO BE OPEN TO THIS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW MY CONFUSION IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDING FOR APPROVAL FOR THIS AND THEY ONLY RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL IF SOME PRETTY HIGH BAR WERE MET.
HELP EDUCATE HOW YOU GOT THERE.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK JONATHAN MADE A GOOD POINT TO THE AMENITIZING THE OPEN SPACE THAT WE DO HAVE AND GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING AND REALLY WORKING WITH THEM PRETTY DILIGENTLY ON THE DESIGN SO WE ENDED UP WITH, SOMETHING THAT WE WERE REALLY PROUD OF, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T MEET THAT 15 PERCENT MINIMUM.
THE SECOND IS THE PORCH COMPONENT.
SO THE YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE LISTS THE PORCH AS SEVEN BY 10 OR 70 SQUARE FEET.
THAT THAT IS WHAT WE DID AND COMMITTED ARE COMMITTING TO HERE IN EVERY PRODUCT LINE, NOT JUST THE TOWNHOMES, THE TOWNHOMES.
AND THEN KIND OF THE THIRD COMPONENT TO THAT IS THE BUILD TO LINES.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING AND JONATHAN MIGHT BE ABLE HELP ME HERE INSTEAD OF HAVING VARIABLE STREETSCAPES, WHICH IN SOME CASES CAN DEACTIVATE THAT PORCH AND PUT IT BACK, YOU KNOW, JUST BUILD A SMALLER HOUSE AND PULL THAT HOUSE BACK IN.
IT'S 20 FEET BACK OR 20 FEET BEHIND THE REST OF THE STREET FACADE.
WE WORK THROUGH ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE OF CHAIR COX OF WHAT YOU SAID, WHICH IS WHY I LEFT, IS WE ACTUALLY WORKED ON BRINGING THOSE UP AND REALLY BRINGING EVERYTHING TO THE STREET TO ACTIVATE THE STREET IN HOPES THAT THE OPEN SPACE, WHEN YOU'RE SITTING ACROSS WITH A ROW OF HOUSES, THAT IT FEELS ONE IN THE SAME BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL FULL PORCHES, NOT ONLY JUST ON THE TOWNHOMES, BUT ON ALL THE HOUSES, THE 55S AND THE 40S.
AND SO THAT WAS THAT WAS THE INTENT.
THAT WAS KIND OF HOW WE WALKED THROUGH.
IT WAS WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO BRING EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
YES. THE DENSITY IS PROVIDING US SOME CHALLENGES, OR AT LEAST FOR THE COMMISSION HERE AND NOT MEETING THE 15 PERCENT.
BUT WE REALLY THOUGHT THAT WE BY REDESIGNING THE OPEN SPACE AND INCREASING THE AMENITIES, REALLY LOOKING AT OUR PRODUCT AND BRINGING EVERYTHING FORWARD AND COMMITTING TO FULL PORCHES ON EVERY PRODUCT TYPE.
AND WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE AND I THINK STAFF DID, TOO, WHICH IS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, HOW WE GOT HERE. THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE WE LANDED WHERE WE THOUGHT WE BOTH AGREED THAT WE REALLY LIKED WHAT WE CAME UP WITH.
I APPRECIATE THAT. IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST ADD TO THAT AS WE WORK ON EVERY SIDE, THIS IS AN IRREGULAR SHAPED PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AS I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, IT'S WIDER AT THE WEST END.
IT BECOMES MORE NARROW AS YOU GO TOWARDS THE EAST AND THE PRICE THAT A DEVELOPER PAYS FOR A PIECE OF LAND, THEY'RE PUTTING DOWN A GOOD CHUNK OF CHANGE ON THIS.
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SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO MAKE A PROFIT ON IT.WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND TRY TO LAY OUT THE OPEN SPACE HAS A LONG, LINEAR TRACK THAT NARROWS UP. IT HAS CHALLENGES AND LAYING OUT AN EFFICIENT DEVELOPMENT.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY PUT MORE OF THE LARGER LOTS DOWN AT THE EASTERN AND BECOMES MORE DENSE AS YOU GO WEST ON THE PROPERTY TO BE ADJACENT CLOSER TO THE OPEN SPACE.
SO WITH A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT STEVE HAS MENTIONED, THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON THIS, BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY DOES HAVE CHALLENGES.
ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE PORCHES AND SO YOUR COMMITMENT IS TO ADD THE 70 SQUARE FOOT TO EVERY HOME, CORRECT? OK, THAT'S IT.
THAT'S IN THE PD. THAT'S IN THE REQUIRED.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.
WHETHER I WANT TO OR NOT. BUT THAT WAS.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KELLY HAD A QUESTION.
YEAH, NO I REMEMBER THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE AT THE LAST MEETING WHEN THIS WAS PRESENTED WAS ABOUT THE EAST SIDE AND THE OPEN SPACE.
AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW RESIDENCES THAT ARE QUITE FAR AWAY FROM THE OPEN SPACE THAT'S BASICALLY THE CENTER OF THIS PLAN.
AND I THINK THE QUESTION THAT WAS PRESENTED WAS, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE ON THE EAST SIDE TO GIVE THESE RESIDENTS SOME OPEN SPACE? ONE THING I DID WANT TO POINT OUT TO THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS ON THE TOUR OR NOT, BUT I KNOW, ROB, WHEN WE WENT OUT TO LOOK AT VERRADO, I THINK IT WAS HAVING AN OPEN SPACE LIKE WITHIN 800 OR 900 FEET OF EACH LOT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LOTS AT THE EAST END AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE ROAD THAT'S, THERE WERE WITHIN THAT DISTANCE.
LESS THAN AN EIGHTH OF A MILE.
IS THAT REALLY WHAT IT WAS IN VERRADO? AND JUST TO-- GO AHEAD. NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE KIND OF THE FRONT OF THESE LOTS TO HERE, IT'S LIKE RIGHT AROUND EIGHT HUNDRED FEET OR SO.
AND WE, AS WE WORKED THROUGH IT WITH STAFF, WE TRIED TO GIVE USABLE OPEN SPACE ON THAT EASTERN,CAN'T HAVE YOU JUST COMMENT.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT THE EASTERN SIDE AND THE POSSIBILITY OF A POCKET PARK AND WHAT WERE SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT YOU GUYS TRIED TO DO TO GET AT LEAST AT LEAST SOME KIND OF OPEN SPACE OVER THERE ON THE EAST? WELL, THE CHALLENGE WAS ON.
WE REALLY WE WORKED THIS SECTION PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE TIMES WITH STAFF, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET USABLE OPEN SPACE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE RAN INTO IS IF YOU HAVE A MINIMUM SIZE FOR USABLE OPEN SPACE.
THAT WITH THE, HOW THIS SITE NARROWS DOWN AS IT COMES HEADS WEST.
IT BECAME A, WE COULDN'T, WE'D HAVE TO MAKE A SMALLER SPACE THAT WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT NOT HAVING USABLE OPEN SPACE TO COUNT AND SO CREATING IT, BUT NOT GETTING THE CREDIT FOR IT. IT DIDN'T IT DIDN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE FOR US.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IF WE COULD BE FLEXIBLE BECAUSE IT NARROWS? I UNDERSTAND THE NARROWING'S THE BIG CHALLENGE FOR THE EASTERN SIDE.
IF WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE ON OUR STANDARDS, AS FAR AS USABLE, I'D RATHER SEE SOMETHING VERSUS NOTHING, EVEN IF IT'S NOT IDEAL, BUT IF WE COULD BE FLEXIBLE AND COULD WORK OUT SOMETHING THAT AT LEAST SOMETHING WHERE THAT PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T HAVE TO WALK.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS GREAT OPEN SPACE BUT PART OF IT IS VERY UNEVEN AND EVEN A BLOCK OFF OF THE OPEN SPACE FEELS DIFFERENT.
AND MY NEIGHBORS WILL TELL YOU JUST BEING A BLOCK AWAY FEELS DIFFERENT THAN BEING THE BLOCK THAT'S ON TWO BLOCKS AWAY, THREE BLOCKS AWAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT VERY FAR, IT JUST FEELS DIFFERENT.
AND HAVING JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN GO MEET IN THAT'S NOT SOMEONE'S FRONT YARD KNOW.
ALTHOUGH THIS GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE OF THE PORCHES AND IT'S JUST A QUESTION I ASKED YOU THOSE ABOUT IF WE WERE TO WORK SOMETHING CREATE A, BECAUSE YOU GUYS DID TRY HARD ON THAT EASTERN PART.
I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ON THE PLAN AS IS, AND WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPROVE IT.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TABLE IT.
I DON'T THINK THE TABLE IS GOING TO SOLVE ANYTHING HERE.
I'M OPEN TO MAKING A MOTION AND EXPLAINING WHY I'M MAKING THAT MOTION, BUT I DON'T WANT TO CUT ANYONE OFF. NO, I THINK IT'S FINE TO MAKE A MOTION AND WE CAN SEE HOW THAT GOES.
FIRST, CAN I ASK THE CHAIRMAN A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE TABLE IN IT? THERE'S ALWAYS A DILEMMA BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY TABLING IT COSTS TIME.
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BUT DENYING SOMETHING COST A LOT MORE TIME AND MONEY AND ENERGY FOR A DEVELOPER.I HATE TO COME THIS FAR ALONG AND SEE SOMETHING NOT GET APPROVED.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL SPECIFIC ITEMS WHICH WE'RE VERY SPECIFIC ON RIGHT FOR TABLING THAT I THINK HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT.
MAYBE IF YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE REITERATING WHAT THOSE SPECIFIC THINGS ARE SO THAT WE DO HAVE A GOAL, IF ANYONE.
WHY? I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF TABLING, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO GET THE OPEN SPACE TO 15 PERCENT IF THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE WANTING.
I MEAN, IT WOULD TAKE THIS WHOLE TRACT OF LAND DOWN HERE AS AN OPEN SPACE TO GET IT TO FIFTEEN PERCENT.
I SHOULD HAVE HAD IT EARLIER. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPTING YOU ON THE 15 PERCENT.
BUT IF THIS HAD COME IN AT SOMETHING LESS THAN 15 PERCENT, IF IT HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A GOOD SPACE BETWEEN, SAY, EIGHT PERCENT AND 15 PERCENT THAT I THINK THAT I COULD GET COMFORTABLE WITH.
I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, TOO. I AGREE. BUT I THINK IT REQUIRES A BIGGER CHANGE THAN JUST GRABBING A COUPLE LOTS AND MAKING OPEN SPACE.
THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S MY CONCERN, BECAUSE I THINK IF IT WAS A, WE JUST NEED A COUPLE MORE LOTS OF OPEN SPACE.
THAT'S AN EASY THING TO FIX, BUT I COULDN'T SIT HERE AND TELL YOU WHERE TO PUT OPEN SPACE, HOW MUCH OPEN SPACE TO GIVE IT.
AND THAT'S A HARD THING TO DO IN A TABLE TO GIVE SOMEBODY THAT KIND OF DIRECTION TO GO FIX THESE TWO ITEMS. AND I THINK THERE'S MORE CONCERN THAN JUST THE OPEN SPACE VOICED BY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. WELL, I THINK SOME, I THINK THIS COULD GO EITHER WAY IN TERMS OF DIFFERENT THINGS. SO BUT THAT'S UP TO THE THAT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION, NOT ME, BUT UP TO THE COMMISSION. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE WITH SPECIFIC ITEMS, THEN WE CAN TAKE THAT. BUT I JUST IF THAT'S THE PATH YOU GO DOWN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S VERY CLEAR DIRECTIONS FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND FOR STAFF THAT THEY NEED TO SOLVE FOR THAT WE THINK WOULD MAKE THIS A VIABLE PLAN.
THAT'S FAIR. IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, THEN WE I THINK WE OWE THE THE APPLICANT AN UP OR DOWN VOTE ON IT.
AND YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S BIG CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE OR THEIR SMALL CONCERNS AND WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE ARE.
[INAUDIBLE]. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE CLOSE ENOUGH TO POSSIBLY SATISFY THE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBOR AND THE APPLICANT.
IF WE CAN GET SOME MORE TIME ON SOME SPECIFIC ISSUES.
SO LET ME ASK THE APPLICANT A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION THE I THINK THERE'S SORT OF I THINK THERE'S TWO ISSUES THAT HAVE TO BE MAYBE THREE ISSUES.
IF I CAN CLARIFY, THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED AND I'M GOING TO GIVE THEM IN TERMS OF WHAT I THINK IS THE PRIORITY.
I THINK THE THE DENSITY REQUIRES MORE OPEN SPACE.
THAT'S THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING.
I THINK SOME OF THE BALANCE I APPRECIATE IN FACT, YOU PUT PORCHES ON ALL THESE AND YOU BROUGHT THINGS UP, I THINK MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE VARIETY IN THE TOWNHOME PRODUCT BECAUSE THAT'S A DENSER PRODUCT, MAYBE WOULD BE ANOTHER THING.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE OPTIMIZING THE CONNECTIVITY OVER TO THE PROPERTY, GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ONE SIDE OR ANOTHER, IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
IS THAT A REDO? ARE WE ASKING YOU TO MAKE TWEAKS OR IS IT BIGGER THAN A BREAD BASKET? YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S A REDO AT THIS POINT, I MEAN.
AND I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, AT THIS TIME I MEAN, WOULD YOU PREFER? NO, I'LL LET YOU FINISH. WOULD YOU PREFER AN UP OR DOWN VOTE ON IT AND FIGURE OUT WHERE, SEE WHERE THE CHIPS LAY? WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS WASTE YOUR TIME WITH A TWEAK AND THEN FOR SOME REASON IT GETS APPROVED OR DISAPPROVED IN THREE WEEKS, FOUR WEEKS, FIVE WEEKS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
THAT'S WHY I WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE INVESTMENT THAT, SO.
COULD I SUGGEST THAT IF WE JUST TAKE A BREAK? I'D LIKE TO VISIT WITH STEVE JUST A LITTLE BIT.
YEAH. SO WE CAN TAKE ABOUT TEN MINUTE BREAK.
I DO. YOU KNOW, AND ONE OF THOSE AND THAT'S ONE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS PROCESS IS WE ALL HAVE OUR INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS AND I RESPECT EVERYONE STANDING UP HERE.
IS THE ONLY THING I DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT TABLING AND GOING, HEY, CAN YOU TWEAK A LITTLE MORE OPEN SPACE? THE REASON WHY I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT IS OUR STAFF THAT I FEEL WE ENTRUST WITH HAVE WORKED THAT INTERNALLY AND SAYS, HEY, WE REQUIRE 15.
BUT THE APPLICANT AND THE CITY HAVE COME AND SAYS, HEY, WE'RE ASKING FOR X, Y AND Z, AND THEY HAVE AMENITIZE TO IT TO THE POINT WHERE OUR STAFF FELT COMFORTABLE AND SO THEY FELT COMFORTABLE TO RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL.
AND THEN FOR US TO SAY, OH, BY THE WAY, ADD OPEN SPACE AGAIN, I FEEL IS A BAIT AND SWITCH ON THE APPLICANT. THE CITY WORKED OUT DO ALL THESE EXTRA THINGS AND THEN WE COME AND GO, WELL HEY, I KNOW THE CITY SAID, BUT NOW GO BACK AND DO 15 PERCENT.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL FEELING.
I THINK IT'S A FAIR STATEMENT, I MEAN. AND YOU KNOW, THE DENSITY WE ARE TALKING A SIX
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LANE ROAD TO THE NORTH.THIS IS NOT, I MEAN, I'M NOT LIKE A PRO DENSITY, BUT I'M ALSO WE'RE NEXT TO A ROAD THAT I THINK THE SPEED LIMIT IS FIFTY FIVE.
AND WE CAN GO THERE RIGHT NOW AND I BET WE'LL FIND AT LEAST FIVE CARS GOING 70 ON IT.
SO THIS IS NOT A, YOU KNOW, INTERNAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WHY THE STAFF RECOMMENDING FOR APPROVAL AND FOR WHERE THE LOCATION IS. AND ANYWAYS, THAT'S JUST SOME OF MY THOUGHTS.
COMMISSIONER CONE, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ON ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IF STAFF RECOMMENDED EIGHT PERCENT AND ALL THESE ADDITIONS ON THERE, I FEEL LIKE THE STAFF IS CLOSE.
I FEEL LIKE THE STAFF, THEY MAY NOT BE EXACTLY WHERE I WANT THEM TO BE, BUT THEY'RE NOT WAY OFF. THEY'RE NOT OFF BY HALF.
I DON'T THINK ASKING TO GO BACK AND TWEAK IT TO FIFTEEN PERCENT WOULD BE FEASIBLE FOR THIS SIZE AND SHAPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT I DO THINK THEY'RE CLOSE ENOUGH TO REACH SOMETHING MANAGEABLE AND HOPEFULLY IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEY DID TRY EARLIER TO PLAY AROUND WITH SOME IDEAS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL ANY OF THOSE BACK OUT OF THE DRAWER AT ALL.
THERE WERE AT LEAST IDEAS TALKED ABOUT ON THAT EASTERN SIDE.
SO I DO WANT TO RECOMMEND A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, LET'S TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK.
UNDERSTAND, THIS IS STILL A OPEN ITEM.
SINCE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN PUBLIC FORUM.
, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME AMONGST OURSELVES.
BUT SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO TAKE A BREAK? WHAT'S THE MOTION? LET'S NOT TAKE A BREAK, WHAT? TEN MINUTE RECESS. TEN MINUTE RECESS, THANK YOU.
IT SOUNDS LIKE [INAUDIBLE] ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
I'M GOING TO HAVE MISS COLBERG HERE MAKE A MOTION.
MOVE TO TAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG.
SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOX.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0.
WE'LL BE IN A TEN MINUTE RECESS.
SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0.
JOHN, YOU WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT? YES, JONATHAN AND I WAS MEETING WITH APPLICANT ON THIS, AND THEY HAVE AGREED THEY WANT A LITTLE MORE TIME. SO TABLE THIS TO THE MAY 25TH AND IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE MAY 25TH MEETING.
BUT SPECIFICALLY, WHAT ARE THE ASKS? AND THEY'LL SEE IF THOSE ARE POSSIBLE TO DO BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S A BUSINESS DECISION.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU IS TO TABLE THIS TO THE MAY 25TH P AND Z MEETING, BUT THEN GO DOWN THE LINE OF WHAT SPECIFICALLY TO LOOK AT, AND WE NEED AS STERN GUIDANCE AS POSSIBLE.
SO I THINK IF WE DO TABLE IT, WE DO WANT TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IN MY OPINION, I THINK IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO GET PUBLIC INPUT AS WE GO THROUGH THESE PROJECTS. MR. CHAIR? IF WE WOULD DO THAT, WE WOULD NEED TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TODAY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
IS THERE ANYONE ADVERSE TO TABLING? I THINK IS GOING TO BE MY FIRST QUESTION, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN ALIGNMENT HERE BEFORE WE, IT LOOKS LIKE I HAVE QUITE A FEW YESES IN TERMS OF THAT'S AN OPTION.
SO IF IF WE WERE TO TABLE IT, CAN WE PLEASE GIVE VERY DIRECT DIRECTION TO STAFF AND I'LL JUST AT COMMISSIONER CONE AND WALK OUR WAY DOWN THIS WAY.
AND VERY SPECIFICALLY THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I'D LIKE TO SEE AN INCREASE IN OPEN SPACE DIRECTLY AVAILABLE TO THE RESIDENTS ON THE EASTERN SIDE.
THE SECOND THING THAT I'VE TALKED WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT IS JUST THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO GET OUT OF THAT PORTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST AN ASK IF THERE'S A IN REDOING IT, IF THERE'S A FEASIBLE WAY TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THAT PORTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIRECTLY TO THE STREET, TO THE SOUTH. THAT'S SIMPLY AN ASK.
I KNOW IT'S VERY CLOSE TO PRESTON, I MEAN, TO MAIN STREET, SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT THERE.
NO, NO, HE AND I TALKED ABOUT IT. AND IF WE HAD TALKED ABOUT EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS, IT WOULD HAVE MADE SENSE AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EASILY DONE.
COMMISSIONER KENDALL? YES. MY ASK OF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE IS, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.
SO I DON'T HAVE A REQUEST OF CHANGE THERE.
BUT WE DO HAVE YOUR NEIGHBOR, TOO, SHULA NETZER AND YOU'RE VERY RESPECTED IN THIS
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COMMUNITY. AND I HOPE YOU KNOW THAT WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU'VE DONE.IS WORKING WITH HER IT'S AGAIN AN ASK YOU CAN'T FORCE IS, SHE'D LOVE TO SEE.
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED IF IT'S A CHARRETTE OR A CONCEPT OF WHAT COULD GO THERE.
AND A LOT OF TIMES, IF YOU LIKE ME VISUAL, IF YOU COULD SEE HOW THAT WOULD BE LAID OUT, MAYBE THAT WOULD BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THAT ACCESS POINT WOULD WORK.
SO WORKING WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST OF HOW THAT CONNECTIVITY COULD BE BEST OPTIMIZED AND VALUE TO YOUR PROPERTY.
I THINK THE CITY CAN HELP WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK THE APPLICANT WOULD ACTUALLY JUST PREFER NOT TO HAVE THE STUB.
BUT IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF TIMES IT'S JUST SEEING THAT THE PROPERTY VALUE DOESN'T GO DOWN. COMMISSIONER BOX? YEAH, I'VE GOT THREE ITEMS. ONE IS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WAS OPEN SPACE.
I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CONE.
I DON'T AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CONE'S COMMENT AROUND UNUSABLE WORKING OPEN SPACE.
THE OPEN SPACE DOES NEED TO BE ACTIVE, ACTIVATABLE.
WELL, THAT'S A NEW WORD I JUST CREATED FOR THE DICTIONARY, NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO BE ACTIVATED. IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN YOUR PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD ARE GOING TO BE MUCH CLOSER TO THE CURB, ARE GOING TO BE IN MUCH DENSER HOMES.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO GO CONGREGATE, TO GO BE TOGETHER.
THAT'S WHY CALIFORNIA WORKS, BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T IN THEIR HOMES, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A HUNDRED DEGREES THERE. LET'S GIVE, LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT THAT.
LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT THAT. BUT PEOPLE HAVE A PLACE TO GO.
I WOULD ALSO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER KELLY'S COMMENT AROUND PORCHES THAT AND THIS TIES INTO MY COMMENT AROUND BEING CLOSE TO THE CURB, THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE WOULD CONGREGATE ON THE PORCHES. I KNOW IT MEETS THE CITY REQUIREMENT, BUT THE PORCHES HAVE TO BE USABLE.
I YOU KNOW, IN MY HEAD, I KNOW THAT THE CANALS WAS USED AS AN EXAMPLE BEFORE.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE HOME. I DON'T THINK YOUR LOT SIZES AND HOMES YOU'RE LOOKING AT FIT THAT. BUT THERE'S A HAPPY MEDIUM BETWEEN THAT OPTION.
AND THEN THIRDLY, WORK WITH THE NEIGHBOR IN THE CITY TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION.
THERE'S AN AMENABLE SOLUTION FOR BOTH PARTIES THAT WILL WORK, THAT WILL PROVIDE THE REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE CONNECTIVITY.
COMMISSIONER KELLY? I'M VERY GLAD THAT WE'RE TAKING THIS APPROACH, BECAUSE I COME BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER COLBERG SAID EARLIER, THAT HERE IN FRISCO WE LOOK FOR THE VERY, VERY BEST WE CAN GET.
AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, MY ASKS ARE THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS HAVE ALREADY SAID, WITH PARTICULAR EMPHASIS ON MORE OPEN SPACE ON THE EAST SIDE, MAYBE A REDESIGN OF THE PORCHES, AND THEN, OF COURSE, OF MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST TO HAVE THAT EXPLAINED AND WORKED OUT.
COMMISSIONER COLBERG? I DON'T HAVE ANY NEW ASKS.
I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT WE SEE A LOT OF APPLICANTS AND DEVELOPERS COME BEFORE US.
AND I CAN TELL BY THE WAY YOU CARRY YOURSELF AND JUST THAT YOU ARE PUTTING IN A LOT OF EFFORT AND BEING VERY PATIENT.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR A LOT OF BEHIND THE SCENES THAT WE PROBABLY DON'T EVEN SEE OR KNOW ABOUT. BUT JUST THANK YOU FOR HOW YOU CARRY YOURSELF AND ARE SO AMICABLE IN EVEN HEARING US TALK THROUGH SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
I KNOW IT WILL BE TRICKY AND MAYBE HARD.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK WILL BE EXCELLENT.
COMMISSIONER MORGAN? I DON'T HAVE ANY NEW REQUESTS EITHER.
I THINK WE'VE LAID THOSE OUT PRETTY WELL.
I DO THANK THE APPLICANT VERY MUCH FOR BEING WILLING TO GO BACK AND REVISIT THIS AND TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE LAID OUT. I ALSO WANT TO TACK ON SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER KENDALL MENTIONED EARLIER.
I VERY MUCH SUPPORT AND RESPECT THE EFFORTS THAT THE STAFF PUTS INTO THESE THINGS.
IT STILL DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LAY OUR TWO CENTS ON TOP OF THAT, IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.
AND I APPRECIATE THE PROCESS FOR LETTING US DO THAT.
SO THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT IN ON THIS, IT'S GOING TO TURN OUT TO BE A GREAT PRODUCT. I HAVE NO DOUBT.
SO I'LL JUST GIVE MY FEEDBACK HERE.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A STUB INTO YOUR PROPERTY, MA'AM, AND I THINK THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT. AND WHAT I WANT TO DO IS OPTIMIZE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FOR YOU , BUT I THINK, THERE'S GOING TO LEGALLY HAVE TO BE ONE JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE DEVELOPMENT OUR ORDINANCES ARE.
NOW, I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, TO OPTIMIZE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, THE ANSWER IS, BUT I THINK BASED OFF THE INFORMATION WE HEARD TONIGHT AND SO FORTH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A STUB AND WE HAVE TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF THE
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OTHER ROADS AND SO FORTH.AND SO I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU THAT WE WERE LISTENING TO YOU, BUT THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS INVOLVED AND SO FORTH.
SO I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION AND KNOW YOU'RE TAKING THE TIME TO BUILD YOUR CHARTS AND THE PICTURES, I THINK IT'S VERY HELPFUL.
YOU KNOW, IN THIS NOT WE DON'T TAKE THAT LIGHTLY.
THE DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, I THINK COMMISSIONER COLBERG SAID IT VERY WELL.
I THINK WORKING WITH OUR STAFF, TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THINGS, YOU KNOW, OUR PROCESS DOES NOT NECESSARILY INFORM.
IT'S NOT EASY, ALWAYS EASY, BUT ALSO DOESN'T INFORM LIKE COMMERCIAL FOLKS AND SO FORTH.
AND SO SOME OF THIS IS LAST MINUTE CHANGES.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THE REASON WHY WE HAVE A PROCESS HERE. THIS IS NOT ALWAYS THE END OF THE END OF THE JOURNEY, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. I DO THINK OVERALL THE DEVELOPMENT IS PRETTY GOOD.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME TWEAKS THAT WE CAN MAKE TO TO MAKE IT TO THE LEVEL THAT WE NEED [INAUDIBLE]. AND I APPRECIATE HAVING THE DENSITY ON THE ON THE WEST SIDE WHERE THERE IS MORE, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE.
I'M NOT AS CONCERNED MYSELF ON THE EAST SIDE, BUT I DO THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES.
AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A SMALL PIECE OF LAND.
AND SO HOPEFULLY, JOHN, DID YOU GET WHAT YOU NEED FROM THE STAFF? ONE THING I WILL ASK IS. WELL, I'M SORRY.
SO, IF WE TRY TO GET OPEN SPACE, IF I WAS IN THEIR SHOES, I'D BE LOOKING TO TAKE SOME OF THE LARGER LOTS AND CONVERTING THEM TO SMALLER LOTS.
SO Y'ALL GOOD WITH THAT? BECAUSE THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME TRADE OFF.
I'D LIKE TO SEE US BE FLEXIBLE AND MAKE IT WORK.
I THINK THEN THAT POINTS TO A COMMENT THAT THE CHAIR WAS SAYING EARLIER, IS SOME VARIETY IN YOUR RENDERINGS TO SHOW SOME MOVEMENT AND ESPECIALLY IN YOUR TOWN HOMES, WHICH WERE A THIRD OF THE ENTITLEMENT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
SO SEEK SOME DIFFERENT MOVEMENT AND THE ACTUAL FACADE.
AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO SPEAK FOR EVERYONE, I WAS JUST ANSWERING FOR ME SPECIFICALLY ON JOHN'S QUESTION. SO YEAH, NO AND FOLKS ANYBODY HAVE? I THINK IT'S A, GO AHEAD.
NO, I WAS SAYING I'M FINE WITH IT. YEAH.
I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION OR POINT.
I THINK THAT I HEARD TONIGHT THAT WITH REGARD TO THE STUB STREET THAT THERE'S LOTS OF EXAMPLES OF THAT. WHERE IT EXISTS IN FRISCO.
I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO SHARE THOSE EXAMPLES WITH THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OR INTO THE WEST. SO THEY'RE AWARE THAT OF THE ORDINANCE AND THEY'RE AWARE OF WHERE IT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED SUCCESSFULLY.
AND I WANT TO ADD ON TO THAT JUST I KNOW STAFF IS ALREADY GOING TO DO THIS.
I JUST WANT TO SAY PUBLICLY, THOUGH, ABOUT JUST STAFF MEETING AND SATISFYING AND QUESTIONS IF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE QUESTIONS AS TO WHY SOMETHING IS THE WAY IT IS AND EXAMPLES, JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT, THAT I KNOW YOU GUYS ALREADY DO THAT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APATHY OF THE NEIGHBORS HEAR THAT TO.
YEAH. THE YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, WE'D ALWAYS LIKE THE ANSWERS AND BUT WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD.
AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT HERE.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE? ACTUALLY, WE NEED TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN MAKE THE MOTION? YES. ALL RIGHT. MOVE TO MAKE THE MOTION.
SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KENDALL.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0.
WE NOW HAVE AN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO TAKE ANY MORE COMMENT AT THIS POINT, BUT WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IS THERE ANYONE THAT ACTUALLY WANTS TO SPEAK NOW? OK, SEEING NONE. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS TO THE MAY 25TH, 2021 MEETING AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KENDALL.
SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLBERG.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0. WE ARE TABLING THIS ITEM AND CONTINUING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THANK YOU ALL. EIGHTEEN, RESULTS OF THE APRIL 20, 2021 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
[18. Results of the April 20, 2021 City Council meeting.]
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THERE WAS ONE ITEM THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AT THE LAST MEETING. BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTION.ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANTHONY ON THOSE ITEMS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[19. Schedule of future discussion items.]
DO WE HAVE ANY FUTURE DISCUSSION ITEMS? ITEM 19 SCHEDULE OF FUTURE DISCUSSION ITEMS? NONE TONIGHT? ALL RIGHT. I DON'T SEE ANY.SO THAT JUST LEAVES US WITH ONE ITEM.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN?
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MOVE TO ADJOURN. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOX.SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLY. ALL THOSE WHO FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 6-0.
WE ARE ADJOURNED. 8:45.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.