[00:00:01] GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE FRISCO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, [CALL TO ORDER] WE ARE GATHERED TONIGHT AT 6101 FRISCO SQUARE BOULEVARD, AND THE TIME IS 6:30 P.M. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CONSISTS OF FRISCO RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. TONIGHT, COMMISSIONERS PRESENT ARE COMMISSIONER COLBERG. I'LL GO IN NOT ORDER JUST TO MAKE IT CONFUSING FOR EVERYONE. [LAUGHTER]. COMMISSIONER MORGAN. COMMISSIONER CONE. COMMISSIONER KENDALL. COMMISSIONER KELLY, OUR SECRETARY. COMMISSIONER COX, OUR CHAIR IS OUT THIS EVENING. AND MY NAME IS DAVID BOX, I'M YOUR CHAIR FOR THE EVENING. REPRESENTING STAFF FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, JOHN LETTELLEIR, ANTHONY SATARINO, JONATHAN HUBBARD, JONATHAN POLLARD AND LORI CROSS. REPRESENTING ENGINEERING JOEL FITTS AND TOYIN FAWEHINMI. I GOT A THUMBS UP. THANK YOU. IF ROB, IF YOU'RE WATCHING, I DID BETTER THAN YOU. [LAUGHTER] FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ALYSSA SANDERS AND FROM LEGAL RICHARD ABERNATHY. DID I MISS ANYONE? THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZEN INPUT, IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION REGARDING ANY ITEMS THAT ARE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, YOU MAY DO SO AT THIS TIME. PLEASE COMPLETE A BLUE SPEAKER CARD AND APPROACH THE PODIUM. PRIOR TO YOUR COMMENTS PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. OUR MEETINGS ARE RECORDED, SO PLEASE SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE. PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION, NOT TO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE OR ANY APPLICANTS PRESENT THIS EVENING. TO ENSURE THERE'S ENOUGH TIME FOR ALL TO SPEAK PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES UNLESS YOU MUST ADDRESS THE COMMISSION THROUGH A TRANSLATOR, IN WHICH CASE YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 10 MINUTES. PLEASE NOTE THE COMMISSION CANNOT DISCUSS OR TAKE SPECIFIC ACTION DURING CITIZEN INPUT OR ON ITEMS NOT ON THE POSTED AGENDA, EXCEPT TO PROVIDE A STATEMENT OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY, OR TO INDICATE THAT THE MATTER MAY BE PLACED ON A LATER AGENDA. THERE ARE EXCUSE ME, THERE ARE PUBLIC MEETINGS ON THE AGENDA LATER. IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM, YOU CAN SPEAK THEN OR NOW AT YOUR DESIRE. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK DURING CITIZENS INPUT. NOT SEEING ANYONE WE WILL MOVE FORWARD. [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. COMMISSIONERS WE RECEIVED A COPY OF THE MINUTES IN OUR PACKET AS WELL IT'S ON YOUR SCREEN. ANY QUESTIONS OR CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 23RD MEETING. I HAVE A MOTION. CAN I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. SECOND COMMISSIONER CONE. FIRST FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY. ALL IN FAVOR. OPPOSED. THE MINUTES PASSED FIVE ZERO. [CONSENT AGENDA] NEXT IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF ROUTINE AND NON-CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS. ANY COMMISSION MEMBER MAKING SUCH REQUESTS PRIOR TO A MOTION AND VOTE ON THE CONSENT ITEMS MAY CONSIDER ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY. ANY MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO MAKE COMMENTS ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS MAY DO SO WITH A MAJORITY APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSION. TONIGHT, WE HAVE ITEMS THREE THROUGH 12 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY THAT NEED TO BE PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? YES. CAN ITEM 4 BE PULLED. ITEM FOUR AND IS THERE A REASON. I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF. OK, WE'LL BE PULLING ITEM. DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. I'M SORRY TO PULL ITEM FOUR WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON THAT DO WE. YEAH GO AHEAD AND VOTE TO PULL THE ITEM OFF. OK, CAN I HAVE A MOTION. MOTION TO PULL ITEM FOUR ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER KENDALL. SECOND. SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER COLBERG, ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSED FIVE ZERO WE WILL BE PULLING ITEM 4. YOU WANT TO RECUSE YOURSELF? I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NINE. OK, ITEM NINE WE'LL BE PULLING. JUST TO ASK STAFF A QUESTION. OK, WE'LL BE PULLING ITEM NINE. YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT A MOTION? YEAH I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO PULL ITEM NINE FROM CONSENT AGENDA. I HAVE A MOTION TO PULL ITEM NINE. SECOND THERE FROM COMMISSIONER MORGAN. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED? WE'LL BE PULLING ITEM NINE BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO NOTHING. SO MR. KENDALL, IF YOU'D LIKE TO RECUSE YOURSELF. DO WE WANT TO VOTE ON THE REST OF THE CONSENT AGENDA FIRST? I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM THREE, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, 10, 11 AND 12 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOTION, AS STATED FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY. [00:05:03] SECOND. SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER COLBERG. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. PASS FIVE ZERO AND WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM FOUR. [4. Revised Conveyance Plat: Frisco 45 Addition, Block B, Lots 1 & 2 (CP21-0005)] YEAH SINCE THAT ITEM JUST BEING PULLED TO EXCLUDE HIMSELF. YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND JUST MAKE A MOTION ON IT. YEAH. GO AHEAD AND READ IT IN AND THEN JUST TAKE A MOTION UNLESS YOU WANT A PRESENTATION. OKAY. ITEM 4 REVISE THE CONVEYANCE PLAT FRISCO 45 ADDITION, BLOCK B, LOTS 1 & 2 (CP21-0005) OWNERS 121 SPRING CREEK LLC. COMMISSION WOULD YOU LIKE INFORMATION ON THIS CASE OR CAN I HAVE A MOTION. MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 4. COMMISSIONER MORGAN MOVED TO APPROVE THE ITEM. SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CONE. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION PASSED FOUR ZERO. COMMISSIONER CONE, CAN YOU GET COMMISSIONER KENDALL PLEASE. YES. NUMBER 9 [9. Open Space Plan & Preliminary Site Plan: The Shops at Willow Bay, Block A, Lot 9 (OS21-0016 & PSP21-0008)] . ITEM NINE, OPEN SPACE PLAN AND PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BAY BLOCK A LOT NINE (OS21-0016 & PSP21-0008). OWNERS NEC ELDO COIT, LLC. THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR. BOTH OF THESE ARE THE OPEN SPACE AND THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN ARE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL. AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, OPEN SPACE IS CONDITIONALLY RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO TWO PROVISIONS AND THEN THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER CONE. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ANTHONY THAT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY. THE REASONS COMING BEFORE US FROM THE OPEN SPACE PLAN IS THAT THIS IS I WOULDN'T CALL IT A VARIANCE. HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THIS OPEN SPACE PLAN VERSUS WHAT NORMALLY. SO THIS IS CALLED AN ALTERNATIVE. ALTERNATIVE THANK YOU. OPEN SPACE PLAN. AND IT DOES. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS A DISCRETION TO APPROVE OR DENY AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN. OK. AND THE ALTERNATIVE IS BASED ON THE LOCATION OF IT. RIGHT. IT MEETS ALL THE OTHER CRITERIA. THAT IS CORRECT. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE PROVISION FOR OPEN SPACE REQUIRES THAT THE OPEN SPACE BE TO THE SIDE OR THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE OPEN SPACE IS LOCATED BEHIND THE BUILDINGS. SO THAT REQUIRES THE ALTERNATIVE APPROVAL. OKAY AND THEN TO FOLLOW ALONG WITH MY QUESTION WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, JUST I'M STILL NOT SURE IF I'M CLEAR ON THE CONVERSATION WE HAD, BUT IF YOU CAN PULL UP, I GUESS THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER THERE, THERE'S AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS, BUT IT'S NEXT DOOR. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH, RIGHT THERE. AND I HAD JUST ASKED EARLIER TO CLARIFY WHAT THE CONNECTIVITY IS BETWEEN THIS OPEN SPACE PLAN AND THESE BUILDINGS AND THAT BUILDING AN ANY OTHER BUILDINGS. ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S ON THAT WESTERN SIDE THERE? SPECIFICALLY, I'D ASKED YOU ABOUT THE ADA CONNECTIVITY TO GET FROM WHAT'S THAT? THE NEW BUILDING THERE ON THE WEST IS A PROPOSED BUILDING A. SO IF YOU WANT A CIRCLE, MAYBE PROPOSED BUILDING A AND I JUST ASK YOU, WHAT'S THE ADA CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THOSE TWO BUILDINGS? SO THERE IS ADA ACCESS ALONG COASTAL WAY. THERE IS NOT ADA ACCESS FROM THE BUILDING FIVE. I BELIEVE IT IS TO BUILDING A SO YOU'VE GOT A SERIES OF DRIVE AISLES PARKING LOTS, BUT THERE'S NOT A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION THROUGH THERE. OK. SO ANTHONY, YOU WANT TO DRAW THAT UP BECAUSE I THINK ADA DOESN'T HAVE A PLAY INTO THIS BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE DEVELOPMENTS. RIGHT. THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE LOTS. SO COASTAL WAY IS A PUBLIC WAY. SO IT DOES HAVE SO IT'S LET ME SEE IF I CAN SWITCH COLORS. SO HERE IS THE LOT BOUNDARY THAT'S UNDER REVIEW. COASTAL WAY THIS PROPERTY DOES RECEIVE ITS FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT THROUGH COASTAL WAY, WHICH IS A PUBLIC WAY EASEMENT, AND IT DOES HAVE SIDEWALK AND ACCESS BACK INTO THE OPEN SPACE AS WELL AS TO THE BUILDINGS ON EACH SIDE. BUT THERE'S NOT A SIDEWALK FROM. THERE IS NOT. NO, THIS IS A SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S THE KEY THING HERE THE SIDEWALKS IS NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE IT'S A MULTI-LOT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU WENT TO CENTER OF PRESTON RIDGE OR WAS AT THE TOM THUMB CENTER, ANY RETAIL CENTER, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE [00:10:03] SUCH A SIDEWALK CONNECTION BETWEEN PAD SITES AND THE ANCHOR STORES. OK, SO. THERE'S A FIRE LANE THAT'S CONNECTING OUT TO THE DEVELOPMENTS ON THE WEST, IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO. WE DO REQUIRE FIRE LANES BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, IS THAT CORRECT. FOR CROSS ACCESS? YES, YES, THERE IS A SHARED FIRE LANE. I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE I SHOWED THIS RIGHT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE ON HERE, BUT THERE IS A FIRE LANE RIGHT HERE. THAT KIND OF. OK. AND DOES THAT FIRE LANE GET YOU OUT TO COIT AT SOME POINT? YES IT DOES. IT DOES. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING JUST BECAUSE THIS IS A PARTIAL PART OF THIS CORNER. WE DON'T HAVE FULL VISIBILITY ON THE REST OF IT. ANTHONY. FIRE HAS REVIEWED THIS AND DETERMINED THAT IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. YES. SAME WITH ADA. THROUGH TRAFFIC ENGINEERING. YES. CORRECT. OK, YES. SO WE'RE CLEAR. SO THESE ALL MEET THE MINIMUM STANDARDS THAT ARE REQUIRED. THAT IS CORRECT. I'M JUST THINKING FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, IF YOU HAD TO LEAVE THAT BUILDING IN AN OPEN SPACE IN A WHEELCHAIR AND YOU WERE HEADING TO COIT, YOU COULD ROLL DOWN THE FIRE LANE IF YOU NEEDED TO, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE HARD SURFACE. THAT'S THE ONLY HARD SURFACE YOU WOULD HAVE AVAILABLE TO GET TO COIT. THAT'S RIGHT. OK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAD. SURE. I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT I THINK BY MOVING THIS TO THE BACK IS REALLY A GOOD DESIGN. I REALLY COMMEND STAFF FOR DOING THAT AND THE APPLICANT AND I REALLY LIKE WHAT I SEE HERE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SCULPTURE THAT'S INCLUDED. THANK YOU. SO GOOD JOB. APPRECIATE IT. I CONCUR. I THINK IT MAKES IT A BETTER DEVELOPMENT THAN [INAUDIBLE] THE OTHER WAY. SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NINE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER KENDALL. SECOND. SECOND, COMMISSIONER COLBERG, ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION PASSED FIVE ZERO. WE'LL MOVE TO THE REGULAR AGENDA AT THIS POINT. TONIGHT, WE HAVE SIX ITEMS ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. FIVE OF THE SIX ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND I WANT TO REVIEW THE PROCESS. EACH PUBLIC HEARING IS PRECEDED BY A STAFF INTRODUCTION OF THE REQUEST, AS IS THE SIX ITEM AS WELL, WHICH WILL BE FIRST. THE APPLICANT IS THEN PERMITTED 10 MINUTES TO MAKE HIS OR HER PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION FOLLOWING QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF AND APPLICANT BY THE COMMISSION. THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE WELCOME TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. ALL SPEAKERS, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT, NEED TO COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD AND PROVIDE IT TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, LORI HERE ON YOUR RIGHT. IF THERE ARE ORGANIZED GROUPS IN ATTENDANCE, WE SUGGEST AND RECOMMEND THAT YOU SELECT REPRESENTATIVES TO PRESENT YOUR POSITION. PLEASE AVOID REPEATING WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN STATED BY PREVIOUS SPEAKERS. OTHER THAN STATING THAT YOU AGREE WITH THEIR COMMENTS. PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. REPEAT APPEARANCES TO THE PODIUM ARE NOT PERMITTED. AFTER ALL, PERSONS HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE CASE WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER TESTIMONY WILL BE PERMITTED UNTIL THE CASE IS TABLED TO A FUTURE DATE. AND THE COMMISSION INCLUDES IN THEIR MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO A FUTURE MEETING. AFTER CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. PLEASE NOTE THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ONLY MAKES A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING ZONING CASES UNLESS THE COMMISSION DENIES THE CASE AND THE APPLICANT DOES NOT APPEAL THE DENIAL. FINAL ACTION REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING OF THE CITY COUNCIL. YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO CONTACT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF AS TO WHEN THE CASE WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. [13. Open Space Plan & Site Plan: Lake Crossing Addition, Block A, Lot 12 (OS21-0029 & SP21-0017)] MOVE TO ITEM 13, OPEN SPACE PLAN & SITE PLAN: LAKE CROSSING ADDITION, BLOCK A, LOT 12 (OS21-0029 & SP21-0017) OWNER OAKMONT LAND SIX LP. THANK YOU. THIS PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED ON FEBRUARY 22ND, 2001. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY APPROVED A 30 DAY EXTENSION DURING THE MARCH 23RD 2001 MEETING. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND FOUND THAT IT DOES NOT MEET THE CITY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, ZONING ORDINANCE, ENGINEERING STANDARDS AND OR OTHER APPLICABLE CITY CODES, ORDINANCES, REGULATIONS, RULES, POLICIES OR STANDARDS. AS NOTED NEXT TO EACH REASON FOR DENIAL IN THE STAFF REPORT. WITH THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL AND DISAPPROVAL FOR THE REASONS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT THIS EVENING, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. ANTHONY, HAS THE APPLICANT MADE PROGRESS AT THIS POINT OR ARE WE. SLOW PROGRESS? YES, WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS. SO THEY ARE PROGRESSING FORWARD. JUST IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE WHILE LONGER. ANY QUESTIONS COMMISSION. [00:15:01] DO I HAVE A MOTION. MOVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. OH IT'S NOT. NO. SORRY. I MOTION TO DISAPPROVE ITEM 13 FOR THE REASONS IDENTIFIED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND DELEGATE THE STAFF AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE A WRITTEN STATEMENT TO THE APPLICANT FOR THE REASONS FOR THIS DISAPPROVAL. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER KENDALL. SECOND. SECOND COMMISSIONER MORGAN ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION PASSED FIVE ZERO. ITEM 13 IS DISAPPROVED AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. [14. Public Hearing - Replat: The Creeks on Coit Phase 2, Block A, Lot 8 (RP21-0008)] ITEM 14 PUBLIC HEARING REPLAT. THE CREEKS ON COIT PHASE 2 BLOCK A LOT 8 (RP21-0008) OWNER D. WESLEY ATES. THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. I'M JONATHAN POLLARD. NICE TO SEE ALL OF Y'ALL AGAIN. THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPLAT IS TO ABANDON A TEMPORARY STREET EASEMENT THAT IS NO LONGER NEEDED NOW THAT THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD, EMERY PARK HAS DEVELOPED. STAFF HAS VERIFIED THAT THIS REPLAT MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT AND OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. ENGINEERING SERVICES IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS CHANGE. AND AT THIS POINT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION. MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER COLBERG. SECOND. SECOND, COMMISSIONER MORGAN, ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION PASSED 5 0. WE ARE IN PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THIS EVENING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM. MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MOTION TO CLOSE COMMISSIONER MORGAN. SECOND. SECOND COMMISSIONER CONE ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED. THE MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO. ANY QUESTIONS FOR JONATHAN? CAN I HAVE A MOTION. MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 14 AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF. MOTION TO APPROVE COMMISSIONER MORGAN? SECOND. SECOND, COMMISSIONER KELLY, ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO. [15. Public Hearing - Specific Use Permit: SWC Custer/Rolater Block A, Lot 3 (SUP21-0001)] ITEM 15. PUBLIC HEARING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT SWC CUSTER/ROLATER BLOCK A LOT 3 SUP 21- 0001. OWNER CUSTER ROLATER PARK, LLC. THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR. CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN SUP FOR A LICENSED CHILDCARE CENTER FOR THIS LOT ON NOVEMBER 17TH 2020 SINCE APPROVAL THE CHILD CARE CENTER USER REQUIRES ADDITIONAL LEASE SPACE OVER WHAT WAS ADOPTED WITH THE SUP. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE CHILD CARE CENTER FROM THREE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED SQUARE FEET TO SEVEN THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED AND TWO SQUARE FEET. THIS GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE ADDITIONAL LEASE SPACE, WHICH IS SHOWN IN PURPLE ON THIS EXHIBIT, AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR PLAY SPACE SHOWN IN GREEN, WHICH IS ALSO REQUIRED IN RESPONSE TO THE ADDITIONAL STUDENTS THAT THEY'LL BE ENROLLING. THE OUTDOOR PLAY SPACE IS PROPOSED ON THE BUILDING'S EAST SIDE. AND SO SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS REQUEST WHERE THE BUILDING BUFFERS THE OPEN SPACE FROM THE ADJACENT HOMES. THE ADDITIONAL AREA, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS EXHIBIT, IS LOCATED TO THE NORTH. SO IT DOES NOT INFRINGE ON THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST AS WELL. THIS EXHIBIT PROVIDES THE APPROXIMATE DISTANCE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO THE OPEN SPACE. SO TO THE WEST, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HOLLAND DRIVE, IT'S ABOUT TWO HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FEET FROM THE BACK OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL LOTS TO THE OUTDOOR PLAY SPACE. I NOTE THIS IS SEPARATED BY AN ALLEY, THE HOLLAND DRIVE RIGHT OF WAY, AND TREES AS WELL AS THE BUILDING. AND THEN TO THE SOUTH, IT'S ABOUT TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY EIGHT FEET TO THAT RESIDENTIAL LOT AS SHOWN UP ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU. IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANT IS STILL MAINTAINING THE REQUIRED 10 PERCENT OPEN SPACE AS A SEPARATE REQUIREMENT THAN THE OUTDOOR PLAY SPACE. AND THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY WAS MEETING THIS REQUIREMENT AND IS STILL MEETING THIS REQUIREMENT. THE DEVELOPMENT DOES MEET ALL LANDSCAPING, OUTDOOR PLAY SPACE AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS. WITH THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE ITEMS SUBJECT TO THE STANDARDS AND ATTACHED EXHIBITS IN THE PACKET. BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. THANKS, ANTHONY. I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. AND MAYBE FOR JOEL AROUND FLOW OF TRAFFIC. THIS IS NOT, BASED ON THE TRAFFIC REPORT, THIS IS NOT A THERE'S NO DROP OFF LANE. SO THE REQUIREMENTS THAT IN THE REPORT IT SAYS THAT THE REQUIREMENT WILL BE FOR THE DAY CARE OR MONTESSORI WHATEVER IT MAY BE THAT THE PEOPLE PICKING UP THE CHILDREN MUST PARK [00:20:07] AND GO INTO THE FACILITY AND ITS PARKING AT A ONE TO SIX RATIO. HAD A QUESTION IS THAT AND THEY REFER TO A ONE TO 8 RATIO AS BEING NORMAL. IS THAT OUR NORMAL IN THE CITY? YES. SO WE HAVE A FOR YEARS AND YEARS WE HAD A REQUIREMENT THAT EVERY DAY CARE NEEDED TO HAVE PARKED AT ONE PER EIGHT PLUS ONE PER STAFF MEMBER AND THEN HAVE A DROP OFF A STACKING LANE WHICH COULD BE USED FOR PICKUP AND DROP OFF. THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE BECAUSE OF PROBLEMS WITH EARLY DAYCARES THAT WERE BUILT AND SO FORTH. BUT THEN OVER THE YEARS, WE DID DEVELOP A DIFFERENT POSSIBILITY WITH LIKE, OK, IF YOU REQUIRE ALL OF YOUR PARENTS TO PARK AND WALK INTO THE BUILDING, THEN WE CAN COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT, BECAUSE THEN THE STACKING LANE WAS JUST BECOMING A PARKING AREA AND WASN'T REALLY BEING USED FOR TRAFFIC TO FLOW THROUGH AND PICK UP AND DROP OFF. SO IT'S LIKE, OK, WE CAN ELIMINATE THE STACKING REQUIREMENT, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE MORE PARKING SPACES BECAUSE NOW MORE PEOPLE ARE COMING TO PARK AND WALK IN. SO IT GIVES THE EQUIVALENT ACTIVITY. IT'S JUST IN A DIFFERENT WAY INSTEAD OF STACKING INSTEAD OF A DRIVE THROUGH LANE, SO TO SPEAK, IT'S NOW PARKING SPACES. SO, YEAH, WE NOW HAVE TWO POSSIBLE PARKING RATIOS, WHETHER THEY HAVE STACKING OR NOT TO HAVE STACKING. SEEN ANY ISSUES WITH OTHER FACILITIES WITH THIS TYPE OF RATIO IN THE CITY OR SEEMS TO BE WORKING? SO FAR, SO GOOD. YEAH. OK, NO PROBLEMS. WE HAD A QUESTION. YEAH, I'VE GOT A PARKING QUESTION WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE ON THE I THINK IT'S THE SOUTH SIDE ON THERE ON ONE OF THE EXHIBITS IT SAID THAT SOME OF THE PARKING SPACES WERE DEDICATED ONLY FOR THE DAYCARE. IS THAT CORRECT? SO THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S STILL A MULTI TENANT BUILDING IS THAT RIGHT. YES IT'S A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE NORMALLY A DAYCARE WOULD COME IN AND BUILD A BUILDING. AND IT WOULD BE JUST ONE USE IN THAT BUILDING. AND THEN WHATEVER PARKING THEY BUILD, EVERYBODY WOULD KNOW THAT'S FOR THE DAYCARE. BUT IN A SITUATION WHERE IT'S A MULTITENANT BUILDING, WE HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT, OK, YOU HAVE A TRAFFIC FLOW, YOU HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT SHOWS US HOW IT'S GOING TO OPERATE AND SO FORTH. AND SO THE BUILDING HAS TO SAY, OK, THEN THESE SPACES ARE FOR THE DAYCARE. THAT WAY, PEOPLE PARENTS CAN COME AND GO AND KNOW THAT THIS IS THE AREA THEY'LL PARK, AS OPPOSED TO BEING TAKEN UP BY ONE OF THE OTHER TENANTS NEAR THE DOOR OF THE DAYCARE. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS TO MAKE IT MORE, TO FLOW BETTER AND TO OPERATE BETTER SO IT WON'T CAUSE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM ANYWHERE ELSE. AND CAN YOU CONFIRM THE NUMBER OF DEDICATED SPOTS? WAS THAT ALL OF THE DAYCARE REQUIRED SPOTS OR WAS IT SOME THAT WERE DEDICATED AND SOME ARE JUST THAT ARE PARKING IN THE GENERAL PARKING WITH THE TENANTS? I CAN'T FIND IT ON THE EXHIBIT AGAIN, BUT ON ONE EXHIBITS IT HAD THE NUMBER ON THE BOTTOM . I CAN'T FIND IT EITHER, SO IT'S NOT A CRITICAL QUESTION. CAN YOU FOLLOW UP ON THAT LATER? SO I SEE IT PARKING REQUIRED 62, WHICH INCLUDES 28 MEDICAL, 11 PROFESSIONAL AND 23 DAY CARE. 23 DAY CARE. YES. AND CAN YOU FIND THE PLACE ON THE EXHIBIT WHERE IT SAID HOW MANY DEDICATED SPOTS THERE WERE. TWENTY THREE FOR THE DAY CARE AND 62 TOTAL AS LISTED FOR THE SITE. AND THAT'S ON THE PLAT ANTHONY. YES. YOU SEE THAT. I'M PULLING THAT UP. ARE YOU ASKING FOR THE NUMBER OR THE LOCATION. BOTH. BECAUSE SOMEWHERE ONE OF THE EXHIBITS IT HAD IT. SHOULD BE PHYSICALLY WHERE THE DEDICATED SPOTS ARE. THAT'S WHAT I CAN'T FIND AGAIN. SCREEN. YEAH, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE BECAUSE IT IS BY [INAUDIBLE] AND BOUNDS, SO IT'S ON THIS EXHIBIT, BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE HARD TO SEE, BUT THOSE ARE THE REQUIRED THE PARKING PROVIDED, THE SIXTY TWO REQUIRED FOR THE DAY CARE ITSELF. NO, SORRY, THAT'S FOR THE WHOLE BUILDING, INCLUDING THE SIX TO ONE FOR THE DAYCARE. THAT IS CORRECT, YES. COMMISSIONER CONE, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. WHERE IS THE LINE. EXHIBITS TO SEE WHERE BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE THOSE NUMBERS MATCHED UP. I WAS JUST TRYING TO CONFIRM THAT IT'S NOT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ANTHONY. YES, SO FOLLOWING UP TO OUR CONVERSATION ON THE ON THE PLAY AREA. YES. CAN YOU PULL THE DISTANCE EXHIBIT BACK UP. YES. SO JUST TO GIVE US SOME RELATIVE COMPARISON, THAT HOUSE THAT'S TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY EIGHT FEET AWAY, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO THE MINIMUM STANDARDS WE HAVE IN OTHER OTHER DAYCARES THAT WE MIGHT HAVE IN TOWN? WHAT'S A NORMAL TYPICAL MINIMUM. [00:25:03] THAT I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. THERE'S NOT A MINIMUM. OK. BUT WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS HAVE THE BUILDING IN BETWEEN THE OPEN SPACE AND THE RESIDENTIAL. AND SO THERE'S ONE THAT'S EVEN CLOSER AND THAT'S UP ON INDEPENDENCE LET ME SEE TRYING TO THINK MAYBE IT'S COIT. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. SO BECAUSE THE ISSUE STARTED WHEN YOU HAVE THE OUTDOOR PLAY SPACE UP NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD DISTANCE AWAY FROM HOMES. OK, THAT WAS JUST MY QUESTION, WAS THE DISTANCE. THE REASON I FOLLOW UP WITH THAT WAS BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE WE DON'T REQUIRE ANY KIND OF OUTDOOR SCREENING ON THE PLAY AREAS. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT. THERE'S NO SCREENING REQUIREMENT. OK, BECAUSE I'D ASKED YOU JUST ABOUT THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER, BECAUSE THE PLAY AREA STICKS OUT BEYOND THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT. IT DOES. SO IT'S NOT COMPLETELY SHIELDED BY THE BUILDING. MOSTLY IS, BUT THERE'S JUST A LITTLE SMALL PORTION ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER THAT'S NOT SHIELDED. BUT THAT WOULD BE JUST A TYPICAL OPEN FENCE OR WHATEVER THEY PUT THERE. WOULD BE AN OPEN FENCE. YES, OK. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. OK. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. IS HE AVAILABLE, IF NEEDED OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK. ACTUALLY I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. OKAY. JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? MY NAME IS PATRICK FILSON, I'M WITH KIRKMAN ENGINEERING. MY ADDRESS IS 5200 STATE HIGHWAY 121 IN COLLEYVILLE, TEXAS. COMMISSIONER CONE I'D JUST KIND OF LIKE TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS AND CLEAR UP ANY CONFUSION THERE MAY BE. OKAY GREAT. THE PARKING. SO WE ARE PROVIDING TWENTY THREE PARKING SPACES FOR THIS USE ON THE LOT. IT IS WITHIN THAT SUP BOUNDARY, BUT THEY ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED TO THE USE ITSELF SO THAT ANY OF THE USERS WITHIN THE FACILITY COULD USE THEM. IF IT BECOMES A PROBLEM, THEN WE'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO DEDICATE THOSE TO THE USE ITSELF SPECIFICALLY. BUT THERE WILL BE NO SIGNAGE. YOU KNOW THE USERS FOR THE OFFICE SPACE CAN UTILIZE THOSE SPACES DURING THE DAY AS WELL. AND IT'S THE INTENT IS IF THERE IS A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE, THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING CAN DEDICATE THOSE SPACES. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THEY SHOULD BE JUST OPEN. OK, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. IT HELPS. CERTAINLY. AND THEN THE FENCING, THERE WILL BE A WROUGHT IRON FENCE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THAT OUTDOOR PLAY SPACE AND ANY OF THE PLAY EQUIPMENT IS LOCATED BEHIND THE BUILDING AND THE MAJORITY OF THE ACTIVITY WILL BE BEHIND THE BUILDING AS WELL. OK, AND THE TRAFFIC COUNTER, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE AS CODE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AS WELL. AND WE WOULD COVER THOSE AFTER EITHER DURING OR AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. OK. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED. HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER COLBERG. SECOND. SECOND COMMISSIONER KENDALL, ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION PASSED FIVE ZERO. WE ARE IN PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM. SEEING NONE MOVE TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. MOTION TO CLOSE COMMISSIONER COLBERG. SECOND. SECOND COMMISSIONER MORGAN, ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION PASSED FIVE ZERO. COMMISSION ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 15, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. MOTION TO APPROVE COMMISSIONER COLBERG. SECOND. SECOND COMMISSIONER KELLY, ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. THE MOTION PASSED NUMBER 15 FIVE ZERO. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING. ITEM 16, ZONING, PUBLIC HEARING, FRISCO CROSSING 2 BLOCK A LOT 11 (Z21-0006). [16. Public Hearing - Zoning: Frisco Crossing II, Block A, Lot 11 (Z21-0006)] OWNER, FRISCO ISD. THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR. FRISCO ISD OWNS A PROPERTY WITH THE INTENT TO CONSTRUCT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THIS SITE PLAN WAS PREVIOUSLY BROUGHT BEFORE THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION AND APPROVED ON FEBRUARY 9TH, 2021. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED INFORMATION AND TECHNOLOGY, WHICH IS A REMAINDER OF A PREVIOUSLY LARGER LAND AREA THAT HAS SINCE BEEN REZONED TO SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS OF HOLLYHOCK AND SOMERSET PARK. FRISCO ISD IS SEEKING TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY SO THAT THE ZONING IS CONGRUENT WITH THE SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS, THUS REMOVING ALL INFORMATION AND TECHNOLOGY ZONED PARCELS IN THIS AREA. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANTHONY, DO OTHER SCHOOLS SIT ON SINGLE FAMILY, IS THAT TYPICAL? VERY TYPICAL. YES, THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, MOVE TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. MOTION TO OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONER MORGAN. SECOND. SECOND, COMMISSIONER KENDALL. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. PASSES FIVE ZERO. [00:30:03] WE ARE IN PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 16? [INAUDIBLE] MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MOTION TO CLOSE COMMISSIONER MORGAN. SECOND. SECOND COMMISSIONER CONE. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION PASSED FIVE ZERO. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, ADDITIONAL OR COMMENTS. OR DOES SOMEONE HAVE A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 16 AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. MOTION COMMISSIONER KENDALL TO APPROVE. SECOND. SECOND COMMISSIONER COLBERG ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION PASS NUMBER 16 FIVE ZERO. SHOULD WE READ THESE IN SEPARATELY? YES PLEASE. OR AT THE SAME TIME. SEPARATELY. SEPARATELY OKAY, ITEM 17, PUBLIC HEARINGS. [17. Public Hearing - Zoning: Amendment to Planned Development-9 (Z21-0008)] ZONING AMENDMENT TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 9 (Z21-0008). OWNERS, MULTIPLE OWNERS. THANK YOU. THIS ITEM IS ASSOCIATED WITH ITEM EIGHTEEN ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, WHICH THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING BE TABLED. THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM CONTINUING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TABLING THIS ITEM TO THE APRIL 27TH P&Z MEETING. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, WE ALL RECEIVED A NOTE REGARDING THIS, SO WE HAD NOTICED TO US. NO. CAN I HAVE A MOTION. I MOVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, COMMISSIONER MORGAN. SECOND. SECOND COMMISSIONER COLBERG. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. THE MOTION PASSED FIVE ZERO. WE ARE IN PUBLIC HEARING. I NOW MOVE TO TABLE THIS ITEM AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL APRIL. APRIL 27TH. APRIL 27TH TWO WEEKS. THAT'S CORRECT. I HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL SECOND THAT. SECOND. COMMISSIONER KELLY. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO TO TABLE AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING. [18. Public Hearing - Zoning: Village on Main Street (Z20-0015)] ITEM 18, PUBLIC HEARINGS. ZONING VILLAGE ON MAIN STREET (Z20-0015). OWNER, GRBK EDGEWOOD, LLC. THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THAT THIS ITEM BE TABLED TONIGHT TO THE APRIL TWENTY SEVENTH MEETING TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL TIME TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO THE WEST. THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, CONTINUING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TABLING THIS ITEM TO THE APRIL TWENTY SEVENTH P&Z MEETING. WORKING WITH NEIGHBORS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR FUTURE AS WELL AS THE PRESENT. SO THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ARE WE ABLE TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THIS, KNOWING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE TABLED. IT'S A NORMAL CASE? OK, JONATHAN, CAN I ASK YOU TO FOLLOW UP ON ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I SENT EARLIER ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE. YES. THAT IS BEING REDUCED, THAT'S ONE I THOUGHT WITH THE OFFLINE AGAIN, BUT IS VERY CONCERNING. THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE GOING FROM, I BELIEVE A 15 PERCENT OPEN SPACE TO AROUND EIGHT PERCENT OPEN SPACE. THAT SOUNDS RIGHT. OK, AND DO WE HAVE OTHER EXAMPLES OF PLACES WHERE WE'VE DONE A SIMILAR DECREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE? I CAN THINK OF ONE, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT THE PARK VISTA DEVELOPMENT IS A VERY SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT WHERE THERE IS A REDUCTION IN OPEN SPACE. AGAIN, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THAT'S COMPARABLE. I THINK IT'S A COMPARABLE BUT JUST UNDERSTAND THAT EACH CASE THAT STANDS ON ITS OWN. THAT'S CORRECT. AND WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT EACH CASE INDIVIDUALLY. WE CAN COMPARE WHAT DECISIONS WERE IN THE PAST. THAT'S CORRECT. AGAIN, I KNOW THIS ITEM WILL BE BROUGHT BACK BEFORE YOU ALL IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. BUT AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, FOR THIS CASE, WHICH WOULD BE DIFFERENT FROM THE PARK VISTA DEVELOPMENT IS IN LOOKING AT A REDUCTION OF OPEN SPACE, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT OPEN SPACE, IT'S ALL ABOUT THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND HAVING PLACES FOR RESIDENTS TO COME OUT AND ENJOY EACH OTHER'S COMPANY AND HOLD EVENTS AND MAYBE HAVE A SMALL YARD AND PLACES TO GO. WE DID WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THIS CASE TONIGHT REGARDING SETBACKS, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE BEEN SEEING IN SEVERAL RECENT CASES, BUT DIFFERENT THAN PARK VISTA, WHICH BRINGS ALL OF THOSE HOMES CLOSER TO THE STREET AND EVERY SINGLE LOT, NOT JUST THOSE RUNNING THE OPEN SPACE, BUT EVERY SINGLE LOT IN THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO HAVE A FRONT PORCH STAFF TO A USABLE FRONT PORCH, ONE THAT MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE ZONING [00:35:03] ORDINANCE. SO JUST ANOTHER WAY TO GET PEOPLE OUTSIDE A PLACE FOR THEM TO HAVE A TABLE OR WHATEVER ON THEIR FRONT PORCH, PEOPLE WALKING BY ON THE SIDEWALKS WITH THOSE HOUSES PULLED UP CLOSE TO THE STREET, JUST ANOTHER WAY TO GET PEOPLE TO INTERACT. SO THAT'S JUST ONE COMPONENT THAT WE WORKED WITH THIS GROUP ON, IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT OPEN SPACE REDUCTION. JONATHAN, CAN YOU PULL UP THE SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE GENERAL. YEAH RIGHT THERE. YES. I WAS MENTIONING, NOW WE CAN FOLLOW UP AGAIN OFFLINE ABOUT MY CONCERN ABOUT THE EASTERN PART THAT SEEMS LIKE WE DO A GREAT JOB ON THE OPEN SPACE, ON THE WESTERN PART AND ON THE CENTER. AND THEN THE EASTERN THIRD OF IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY GREEN SPACE OR TRAILS OR CONNECTIVITY OR ANYTHING GOING THROUGH THERE. SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AGAIN I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. SURE. SO JUST FROM A CONCERN PERSPECTIVE, COMMISSIONER CONE IS YOU HAVE A CONCERN AROUND CONNECTIVITY, GREEN SPACE. I THINK WE ALL HEAR YOU, BUT CONNECTIVITY AS WELL. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D WANT THE APPLICANT TO WORK ON THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AND ANYTHING SPECIFIC THAT YOU'D LIKE THEM TO GO BACK WITH? YEAH, MY VERY SPECIFIC CONCERN WOULD BE THAT IF YOU LIVE IN THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU WANT TO WALK TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THERE IS TWO SCHOOLS KIND OF CATTYCORNER OVER THERE AND YOU WANT TO WALK TO THE CITY PARK. A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS WE HAVE WE HAVE AN OUTLET YOU KNOW WE TRY TO INCLUDE AN OUTLET SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY CAN GET OUT ONTO, SAY, KINGS RIDGE ROAD ON THE EAST THERE, GET OUT SOME OTHER WAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING ASIDE FROM THEY LIKE STANDARD SIDEWALKS THAT ARE ALONG THE FRONTS AND ALL THE SIDEWALKS HERE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE SIDEWALKS HERE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL LIKE TRAIL BURB SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS THROUGH HERE AND PUNCH OUTS TO KINGS ROAD. YOU'RE REQUESTING. THAT OTHER LINE YOU DREW WOULD BE GREAT, BECAUSE THE WAY THAT YOU DID, THE NORTH SOUTH LINEAR, I THINK WAS A GREAT IDEA. YOU KNOW, CONNECTING THAT TO OPEN SPACE THERE IN THE MIDDLE AND HAVING TO CONNECT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HUDSON DRIVE IS REALLY NICE DESIGN. I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS WHERE PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS GREAT HUGE OPEN SPACE AN THE OTHER PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T AND I WOULD HOPE IN THE FUTURE THAT WE KIND OF LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE OPEN SPACE IS PRETTY CLOSE TO ALL OF THE RESIDENTS. SO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF CREATIVE WAY TO DO THAT. BUT THE PUNCH OUT YOU SAID TO ME, WOULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT IF YOU LIVE IN THAT UPPER, YOU KNOW, THE FAR EAST SIDE THERE, INSTEAD OF BEING A REALLY SHORT WALK OUT ONTO KINGS RIDGE TO SCHOOL, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A HIKE TO GET BACK AROUND TO THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GO NORTH OR SOUTH FROM THERE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR STAFF? WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO. I GOT TO KNOW JUST FOR THE RECORD. SURE. SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION? WE NEED TO. WE DO NEED TO GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING. YES. I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONER COLBERG. SECOND. SECOND COMMISSIONER MORGAN, ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION PASSED FIVE ZERO. WE ARE IN PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM THIS EVENING? I WANT TO MOVE TO TABLE THIS ITEM TO AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL APRIL 27TH. SECOND. THAT'S A MOTION. WAS THAT A MOTION. YES. IT WAS AN AWESOME MOTION. IT WAS SO GOOD. YOU WANT TO RESTATE THAT JUST FOR THE RECORD. THAT IT WAS AN AWESOME MOTION. YES. THAT WE MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS ITEM AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL APRIL 27TH. YEAH I GOT THAT. I'M GOOD. AND I'M GLAD THAT RICHARD IS HERE TONIGHT TO HEAR IT WAS AN AWESOME MOTION. [LAUGHTER] I HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER MORGAN. SECOND COMMISSIONER KELLY TO TABLE AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO. THANK YOU. ITEM 18 IS TABLED AND CONTINUED UNTIL APRIL 27TH. [19. Results of the April 6, 2021 City Council meeting.] ITEM 19, RESULTS OF THE APRIL 6, 2021 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR. THOSE RESULTS WERE PROVIDED TO YOU IN THE PACKET, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS? OK. IF I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. [20. Presentation on parking minimums.] ITEM 20, PRESENTATION ON PARKING MINIMUMS. JOHN. [00:40:05] AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I WAS MAINLY CONCENTRATING ON RETAIL AND I'LL GET INTO WHY I WAS DOING THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION CAME UP ABOUT OR THERE'S A LOT THAT'S KIND OF LIKE IN THE NEWS, SOME COMMUNITIES ARE GETTING RID OF THEIR PARKING MINIMUMS OR REDUCING PARKING. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S THE WRONG ROAD TO GO DOWN FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. AND I'LL COVER THAT TONIGHT ABOUT WHY IT'S SO DIFFICULT. BUT JUST LOOKING AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH, JUST IMAGINE THERE'S NO WALKABILITY TO THIS CENTER. IT'S TOTALLY SURROUNDED BY MAJOR THOROUGHFARES. YOU GOT TO HAVE A CAR TO GET TO THIS RETAIL DESTINATION. AND IF YOU WANT TO GET OVER TO THE OFFICE OR ANY OTHER OTHER USES, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE AN AUTOMOBILE TO GET AROUND. IN TRYING TO RETROFIT THAT SO IT'S MORE WALKABLE. THAT IS VERY CHALLENGING. SO PRESENTATION FOCUSING ON FOUR AREAS, TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF PARKING, HOW DID IT COME ABOUT? WHY DO WE DRIVE? WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES OF TRYING TO CHANGE PARKING STANDARDS AND A PROPOSAL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION WHETHER TO GO FORWARD WITH IT OR NOT. BUT ON THE HISTORY OF PARKING, BEFORE YOU HAVE THE DOWNTOWNS AND YOU TOOK THE HORSE AND BUGGY IN OR YOU RODE THE HORSE AND IT WASN'T MUCH OF A PARKING PROBLEM BACK THEN. BUT WHEN THE CAR STARTED TO COME ABOUT AND THEN YOU GOT THE DOWNTOWN STREETS BEING PAVED AND HERE'S PARKING ALONG THE STREETS, AND THEN THEY STARTED TO CHARGE FOR PARKING BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T WANT SOMEBODY TAKING UP A PARKING SPOT ALL DAY, WHICH HURT THE RETAIL BUSINESSES. SO THAT'S WHY PAID PARKING CAME ABOUT AND THEN THINGS STARTED TO OPEN UP IN THE SUBURBS. AND THEN YOU STARTED ADOPTING PARKING STANDARDS AND IT WAS FREE PARKING. SO THAT LED TO THE DEMISE OF RETAIL IN CENTRAL CITIES OVER TIME, THEY FLED, WENT TO THE SUBURBS. THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY WAS. SO SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENED EVERYTHING SEGREGATED. THAT CAME ABOUT OF ZONING BUT CARS FURTHER THAT ALONG. SO NOW YOU DON'T BRING THOSE USERS TOGETHER. EVERYTHING'S SPREAD OUT. 80 PERCENT OF OUR TRIPS INVOLVES CARS. THE OTHER 20 PERCENT USE THEM FOR GOING TO THE OFFICE OR SOMETHING. BUT THIS MODEL HAS TO CHANGE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER MODE OF TRANSPORTATION. DENSITY IS ALSO A FACTOR. BUT THE WAY EVERYTHING'S LAID OUT IT ENCOURAGES THE USE OF A CAR, ALL OF US HAVE SUNK COSTS IN THE CAR AND GENERALLY GOING TO USE THE CAR FOR ITS CONVENIENCE. SO WHY DO WE DRIVE? TALK ABOUT ZONING. SEPARATION OF LAND USES. IT'S THE PRIMARY MODE OF TRANSPORTATION IN ANY SUBURBAN COMMUNITY, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A CAR TO GET AROUND. HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WALKING ALONG PRESTON ROAD WALKING ALONG 121, OR WOULD YOU BE MORE COMFORTABLE WALKING DOWNTOWN SPEEDER TRAFFIC HOW FAR THE BUILDINGS ARE APART FRAMING THE STREET IS ALL VERY IMPORTANT, SO THE URBAN DESIGN DISCOURAGES WALKABILITY. SO STARTED WITH THE EISENHOWER ADMINISTRATION WHEN THEY DID THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ACT. IT'S ALL ABOUT MOVING CARS. SO WHAT WAS DONE FOR HIGHWAYS THAT LED DOWN TO RESIDENTIAL STREETS? BLOCKS BECAME LONGER. TYPICAL BLOCK LOOKOUT [INAUDIBLE] DOWNTOWN. THREE HUNDRED FEET. WHEN YOU GET IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, IT'S FOUR TIMES THAT. TWELVE HUNDRED FEET LARGER RADIUSES ALL AGAIN ABOUT MOVING TRAFFIC AND NO FOCUS ON PEDESTRIANS. SO THAT DISCOURAGES WALKABILITY. AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST TWENTY YEARS WE HAVE BEEN DOING STREET TREES AND TRYING TO DRESS UP THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT TO ENCOURAGE WALKABILITY, MORE SO FOR THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH. DECENTRALIZATION OF JOBS. I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT HERE'S A DISPERSION OF RETAIL, THE STORE SIZES AND THE MARKET AREAS. THOSE HAVE CHANGED DRASTICALLY. BACK IN THE 80S, A TYPICAL RETAIL CENTER WAS MAYBE ABOUT TEN ACRES. THE ANCHOR TENANT GROCERY STORE ABOUT THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. SO YOU GENERALLY HAVE ONE OF THOSE ALMOST AT EVERY MAJOR INTERSECTION. I COME OUT OF THE LATE 80S, THE SIZE OF THE GROCERY STORE WENT UP TO SIXTY THOUSAND EIGHTY THOUSAND, OVER 100,000 SQUARE FEET. NOW, THAT MARKET AREA IS LARGER THAN WHAT IT USED TO BE. INSTEAD OF BEING LIKE ONE SQUARE MILE, NOW IT'S LIKE ABOUT THREE SQUARE MILES. SO THEN THAT MEANS PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO DRIVE TO GET THERE. ALSO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SMALL RETAIL SIZE, THEY'RE NOT SUSTAINABLE IN THE LONG RUN. THEY WANT TO BE ADJACENT TO THE ANCHOR STORE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO. THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE MAKING THEIR TRIPS. [00:45:02] SO PLAN AROUND PEOPLE YOU GET MORE PEOPLE IF YOU WANT TO PLAN AROUND CARS, YOU GET MORE CARS, SO YOU GET TRAFFIC CONGESTION. SO HERE'S WHAT DO YOU PREFER TO WALK? TYPICAL SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT HERE IN NORTH TEXAS, OR DO YOU WANT SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR WALKABILITY? AND WHAT DO YOU PREFER TO WALK HERE? THIS IS PRESTON ROAD ON THE LEFT. AND WHAT'S ON THE RIGHT? WHERE WOULD YOU GO BACK TO AND WALK IF YOU HAD A CHOICE BETWEEN THOSE TWO. SO LIVE TO WORK IS IF I WENT TO THE CENTRAL CITY. BASICALLY, THAT'S WHERE THE JOBS WERE LOCATED. AND THIS IS THE PATTERN TODAY. SO YOU HAVE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS ALL OVER, PEOPLE LIVING IN DIFFERENT PLACES BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, TRANSPORTATION COSTS, A NUMBER OF FACTORS. SO YOU HAVE PEOPLE DRIVING ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO THE CAR IS A PRIMARY MODE OF TRANSPORTATION, TRYING TO DO ANY TYPE OF PUBLIC TRANSIT. IT IS VERY COMPLICATED ON THIS MODEL OF TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING WORK. AND THAT'S JUST ONLY ONE COMPONENT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC TRANSIT. SO CHALLENGES. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, LET'S SAY IF YOU, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CITIES THAT MIGHT HAVE GOT RID OF THEIR MINIMUMS. YEAH, NOBODY STOPPED DRIVING CARS. THEY'RE STILL DRIVING CARS. THEY'RE ENTERTAINING CONSEQUENCES OR THERE MIGHT BE INSTANCES, HEY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE PARKING OR WE'RE GOING TO CAP IT. YOU CAN'T PROVIDE ANY MORE PARKING. THAT BECOMES A REAL CHALLENGE BECAUSE THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS YOU GOT DEVELOPERS, WE GOT DEVELOPERS BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS. THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THEIR MODEL. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THEM TO THINK, HEY, THERE'S ANOTHER WAY OF DOING IT. EVEN WHEN YOU SHOW THEM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON LIKE PARKING STANDARDS OF ONE TO TWO HUNDRED ONE TO TWO FIFTY, THEY SAY I GOT TO HAVE THAT PARKING IN ORDER TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET. SO YOU'VE GOT INVESTORS, THE SAME THING FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS. HEY, DO YOU HAVE YOUR ONE TO TWO HUNDRED ONE FOR TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY IN PARKING? YOU DON'T HAVE IT NOW, WE MIGHT NOT LOAN ON IT BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT PROJECT BACK, YOU DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO HAVE A DEFICIENT PROPERTY ON YOUR PORTFOLIO. THEN YOU GOT BUSINESSES. GROCERY STORES IS A CHALLENGE THEY LIKE TO HAVE THEIR TWO HUNDRED TWENTY SPACES OUT FRONT . ASK ANY OF YEAR NAME A TIME IN WHICH ALL THOSE PARKING SPACES HAVE BEEN USED. ONE TIME. NAME YOUR ONE TIME WHERE ALL OF THOSE SPACES HAVE BEEN USED? DAY BEFORE A BIG HOLIDAY. NOPE NEVER BEEN USED BECAUSE WHAT DO THEY DO WHEN YOU TAKE THE HOLIDAY AS A WEDNESDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING, THE OTHER STORES ARE CLOSING DOWN, THE GROCERY STORE WILL BE OPEN, BUT PEOPLE SPREAD OUT. THEY'RE GOING TO PARK AS CLOSE TO THE BUILDING AS POSSIBLE, WALK ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING, BUT NEVER DO THEY FILL OUT TOWARDS THE STREET. SO WE'RE TALKING AND THIS IS ANOTHER FACTOR OF TRYING TO WORK ON THE WALKABILITY. YOU TAKE A TYPICAL RETAIL CENTER, IT DOESN'T LEND ITSELF. SO TAKE LIKE THE TOM THUMB CENTER JUST AS AN EXAMPLE. SO YOU'VE GOT THE L SHAPED BUILDING YOU GOT A COUPLE OF PAD SIDES, BUT YOU PARK OVER HERE AT TOWARDS LET'S SAY, LEBANON ROAD. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO MAYBE ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS HERE ON THE FAR SOUTHERN, YOU'RE GOING TO GET IN YOUR CAR AND DRIVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT. NOW, YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT BY CHANGING UP DESIGNS, ON FUTURE CENTERS. BUT THAT'S A CHALLENGE, NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT IT'S A CHALLENGE. SO IT'S TRYING TO CREATE WHERE YOU PARK ONCE AND THEN YOU GOT SOMETHING TO WALK ABOUT. SO, AGAIN, THE DISPERSION OF JOBS, RETAIL, ENTERTAINMENT SERVICES OR CHALLENGES. AND ON THE ENTERTAINMENT AND THE RESEARCH I'VE DONE AND TALKING TO OTHER PROFESSIONALS AND PARKING PROFESSIONALS. THE ENTERTAINMENT, TALKING ABOUT RESTAURANTS, TALKING ABOUT HEALTH CLUBS, THOSE ARE VERY CHALLENGING INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE, SHOPPING CENTERS. THEY TALK ABOUT THAT ONE YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL, MAYBE LIMITED TO 10 PERCENT, MAYBE 15 PERCENT OF THE BUILDING. YOU CAN TELL FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE A HEALTH CLUB CAN TOTALLY DESTROY A RETAIL CENTER. THE REASON BEING IS WHEN IS THE MOST POPULAR TIME FOR A HEALTH CLUB DURING THE WEEK DAY. SO, LET'S CONCENTRATE ON THE EVENING WHEN'S THE MOST POPULAR TIME FOR RETAIL DURING THE WEEKDAY. SO WHEN I WAS IN PLANO, I THINK IT WAS BALLY'S OR PRESIDENTS AT THE CORNER OF ALMA AND PARKER THEY CONSUME ALMOST 70 PERCENT OF THE PARKING SPACES. [00:50:01] AND SO THE REST OF THE CENTER WAS DARK. AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU WANT TO HAVE A LIMIT ON IT. AND THEN IT'S A MAJOR PARADIGM SHIFT ABOUT GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION BECAUSE YOU GO DOWN TO NO PARKING MINIMUMS CONCERN IS IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK FOR EVERYBODY. AND THEN CHANGES IN LAND USES OVER TIME. IT MIGHT BE A RESTAURANT TODAY AND NEXT DAY IT MIGHT JUST BE A RETAIL STORE, BUT SOMETHING ELSE. SO GETTING ON THE PROPOSAL, JUST TALKING ABOUT RETAIL AND THIS IS A LITTLE MORE EASIER TO DEAL WITH IN AN OFFICE ENVIRONMENT. SO YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, GENERALLY ABOUT 15 OR 20 ACRES, YOU HAVE ABOUT A TWO TO THREE MILE SERVICE AREA AND BUILDING SIZE OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. THEN YOU GOT THE OTHER TWO REGIONAL CENTERS AND SUPER REGIONAL. AND THE POINT HERE IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO THE FURTHER LIKE A REGIONAL CENTER OR SUPER REGIONAL CENTER IS OF WHAT YOU GOT TO HAVE A CAR. JUST THINK OF THE MALL. SO THAT'S THE SUPER REGIONAL CENTER. YOU HAVE TO HAVE PARKING. PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM A FURTHER DISTANCE. NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER YOU COULD MAKE THE CASE THAT MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AS MANY PARKING SPACES. THE EXCEPTION TO THAT IS WHEN YOU HAVE SPECIALTY RETAIL BECAUSE LIKE THE FRISCO RANCH DOWN ON PRESTON ROAD, I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING. ON THE WEEKEND, THEY'RE CROWDED. YOU GOT PEOPLE COMING FURTHER AWAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE SPECIALTY ITEMS THERE. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL. SO PROPOSAL AND THIS STILL HAS TO BE VETTED OUT, BUT IT'S JUST CONCENTRATING ON NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS AND LIMITED TO LIKE ABOUT 10 PERCENT OF ENTERTAINMENT. AND THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT I HEAR AND READ ABOUT BE INTERCONNECTED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THIS IS WHERE WE MAKE STREET CONNECTIONS BECAUSE THEN WE GOT PEOPLE THEY CAN WALK, THEY STILL CAN DRIVE. BUT WE DESIGNED IT SUCH THAT IT'S NOT FOR CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC. SO WE HAVE 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH THAT. AND HERE IS THE SIZE OF THE RETAIL CENTER AND MAYBE PART CURRENTLY IS LIKE ONE PER 250 MAYBE TAKE THAT TO ONE, PER, THREE FIFTY. BUT THAT'S ABOUT A 30 PERCENT REDUCTION. SO WITH THAT SAID, HAD ANTHONY GO BACK AND LOOK AT RETAIL CENTERS FOR THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS, MOST OF THEM PROVIDE MORE PARKING THAN WHAT OUR CURRENT MINIMUM IS. NOW WHAT THEY COULD DO IS JUST PUT THAT INTO OPEN SPACE. AND LET'S SAY IF THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THAT AND TO HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING, WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE IN THE FUTURE. BUT THAT'D BE ONE THING TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT IS CAPPED AT THE PARKING NOT TO EXCEED IT. NOW, THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT, IF IT'S SOMETHING ON THE EDGE OF THE CITY AND WE'RE IN COMPETITION LIKE WE WERE WITH KROGER ALONG CUSTER ROAD, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE LENIENT ON THAT AND SAY, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE 100 EXTRA PARKING SPACES, AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE LISTENING TO THAT AS FAR AS DO WE GET IT OR DOES THE ABUTTING CITY GET THE DEAL? WHY DO YOU THINK THE DEVELOPERS ARE PUTTING IN MORE SPOTS THAN REQUIRED IS THAT A FINANCING REQUIREMENT IS THAT THEIR STUDIES ARE SHOWING DIFFERENT NUMBERS? NO, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY STUDIES TO SUPPORT PUTTING IN ADDITIONAL PARKING. THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, OK, HERE'S A BUILDING AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY SO MIGHT AS WELL GO AHEAD AND PAVE IT. AND PROPERTY, IT'S EASIER TO DO IT NOW THAN TO BRING IT IN LATER. SO IT'S NOT GOING WELL. LET'S SEE IF WE GET TRAFFIC AND WE'LL PUT IT IN LATER. IT'S A FIFTH OF THE COST TO JUST DO IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME. HERE'S ANOTHER FACTOR AND I'VE TALKED TO DEVELOPERS ABOUT IN THE VERY BEGINNING. THIS IS WHEN THIS DISCUSSION NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE, BUT PUT A PARKING EASEMENT ON THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT FROM DAY ONE. NOW, SOME TENANTS LIKE GROCERY STORES THEY SAID, WE WANT TO CONTROL OUR SPACES. YOU GET SOME PAD SITES LIKE WE WANT TO CONTROL OUR SPACES. AND THEN THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S A DESTINATION USE, THEY NEED ALL THE PARKING THEY CAN GET. BUT IF THEY CAN BE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY CAN SHARE. THAT'S VERY BENEFICIAL. BUT AGAIN, IT'S ASKING FOR YOU KNOW, HERE'S BUSINESS A TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THAT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A NATIONAL CHAIN THEY GO NO THAT'S OUR PROTOTYPE. THAT'S WHAT WE GO WITH. SO IT'S VERY HARD TO GET THEM TO CHANGE THEIR MODEL. [00:55:01] YOU HAD SOME POTENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS COME AND TALK ABOUT PARKING REQUIREMENTS, OR IS THIS BEING PROACTIVE, THINKING ABOUT WHERE WE ACTUALLY SEE THINGS TODAY AND THE FUTURE . AS USES CHANGE AND I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH SOMEBODY CALLS COUNCIL AND I GET THE HEY. LIKE ON THIS ONE CENTER THERE WAS A PARKING PROBLEM WELL I MET WITH THE DEVELOPER. THEY DID A DRONE IT HAS PLENTY OF PARKING. IT'S JUST, HEY, IT'S OVER HERE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WALK A LITTLE BIT. BUT PEOPLE LIKE THEY SAY, [INAUDIBLE] MOST OF YOU KNOW THIS IF YOU DO A PARKING SURVEY. IF YOU ASK THE PERSON THAT GETS A SPOT IN FRONT PARKING IS FINE, BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO PARK AND DRIVE ALL OVER. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A PARKING PROBLEM BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO PARKING TO BE CONVENIENT. BUT THAT'S IN A TYPICAL RETAIL CENTER. BUT IF YOU LAY IT OUT SUCH THAT YOU'RE GOING INTO AN ENVIRONMENT THAT CAN BE VERY CONDUCIVE WITH PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO MIND THAT. BUT IT'S LIKE THE CENTER OF PRESTON RIDGE. TALKING TO CHARLES HODGES I'D ASK HIM YEARS AGO, WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE? HE SAYS, I WOULD HAVE CONSOLIDATED. I WOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT TOGETHER, PUT THE PARKING ALONG THE PERIMETER. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HE'S LEARNED. URBAN LAND INSTITUTE HAD A BOOK ON THOSE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID TO DO, PUT THE PARKING ON THE PERIMETER. BUT YOU'VE GOT TO CREATE A HEART AND SOUL OF A DEVELOPMENT. SO IF YOU ARE AT BEST BUY, YOU'RE GETTING SOMETHING AND LET'S SAY YOU WANT TO GO TO GLORIA'S. YOU'RE NOT WALKING THERE. NOW, SINCE YOU BRING UP SIDEWALKS JUST NORTH OF THE TARGET AND I THINK THAT'S A DOLLAR GENERAL. THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT GOES FROM THERE NORTH TO LIKE WHAT PETS MART IS. I'VE ONLY SEEN ONE PERSON USE THAT IN THE ENTIRE TIME. I THINK OF THAT MAIN DRIVE AISLE IN THE CENTER OF PRESTON RIDGE WHERE THEY HAVE THE CATTLE. I NEVER SEE PEOPLE WALK ALONG THERE. I DO SEE WHEN THAT WAS FIRST OPENED UP, PEOPLE DID STOP, TAKE PICTURE OF THE ARTWORK GET BACK IN THE CAR, DRIVE BY ANOTHER HUNDRED FEET, TAKE SOME MORE PICTURES. THEY WEREN'T WALKING IT. BUT WHY? BECAUSE YOU GOT A LARGE PARKING FIELD ON ONE SIDE AND THEN YOU GOT THIS [INAUDIBLE] ROAD RIGHT THERE. IT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO WALKABILITY. SO A LOT OF THINGS HAS IF YOU CAN MAKE IT WALKABLE, MY OPINION, YOU CAN REDUCE THE PARKING. ON THE CONCRETE THAT'S YEAH, AND I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO THE FIRST PICTURE. AND IF YOU'RE GONNA REDUCE PARKING, IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE ON A CENTER THAT IS A BRAND NEW CENTER. AND HERE'S AN EXAMPLE WHY. SO LET'S SAY THIS CAME IN LATER AS A RETAIL AND THEN YOU HAD THIS AND YOU ARE GOING TO SAY, WELL, YOU'VE GOT THIS PARKING LOT HERE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE ANY PARKING AND THERE IS SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR YOU. IF THERE'S NOT, THAT CROSS PARKING AGREEMENT IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COMPLAIN IF THE NEW USER COMES IN AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET VERY TERRITORIAL ABOUT THEIR PARKING. THERE'S A RESTAURANT ON THE EAST SIDE OF PRESTON ROAD I THINK IT WENT OUT OF BUSINESS, BUT THEY RESERVED ALL THEIR PARKING SPACES, THEY MARKED EVERY PARKING SPACE FOR THEIR BUSINESS ONLY BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER USE RIGHT NEXT DOOR. IT WAS MORE POPULAR THAN WHAT THEY WERE AND THEY WERE PARKING ON THEIR LOT. THAT BECOMES A CHALLENGE. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHEN REDUCING PARKING. IT NEEDS TO BE DONE UP FRONT BEFORE THE TENANT MOVES IN. I APPRECIATE IT, JOHN, I KNOW THIS WAS A REQUEST OF MINE THAT APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT, PUT INTO THIS. NINE OUT OF 10 TIMES YOU'VE PROVED ME WRONG. NO, IT'S NOT PROVING YOU'RE WRONG. IT'S, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS AND THIS IS NOTHING SCIENTIFIC. WE LOOKED AT THREE CENTERS IN THE CITY AND THIS IS AT THANKSGIVING IT WAS AT CHRISTMAS IT WAS A TYPICAL WEEKEND. I FIND THE MOST WE FOUND WAS ABOUT 60, 70 PERCENT OF THE PARKING WAS ACTUALLY GETTING USED. SO AT LEAST 30 PERCENT WAS NOT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO A LITTLE MORE BUILDING OR THIS IS WHERE YOU COULD DO SOMETHING TO SOME TYPE OF OPEN SPACE WHERE PEOPLE SAY, HEY, I WANT TO COME BACK. I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS IS PEOPLE HAVE BECOME MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. BUT HERE'S THE OTHER THING IF YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THE OPEN SPACE [INAUDIBLE] LIKE THE ONE YOU BROUGHT UP TONIGHT, STAFF WORKED WITH. [01:00:02] AND [INAUDIBLE] JUST SAID HEY YOU'VE GOT BUILDINGS BACK FROM THREE SIDES. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT AS LONG AS THEY CAN COMPLEMENT ONE ANOTHER. PLUS, IT'S OPEN ON ONE SIDE. AND IT WAS VERY CRITICAL FOR IT TO BE OPEN ON ONE SIDE FROM A CPTED PRINCIPLE, CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN, BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN SEE DIRECTLY INTO IT. IT DRAWS PEOPLE'S EYES AND SO IT BECOMES A GATHERING PLACE POSSIBLE. SO IT'S ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS THAT HAVE TO COME TOGETHER TO MAKE IT WORK. AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING OPEN TO A POSSIBLE USE IT LOOKS LIKE A 30 PERCENT REDUCTION. I JUST I ENVISION CHANGING, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD BE YOU KNOW, IT'S AND I DON'T KNOW AND THIS WAS PRE COVID, BUT COVID OBVIOUSLY HAS CHANGED HOW WE OPERATE. I KNOW FOR US AND AT LEAST MY LITTLE CIRCLES, WE HAVEN'T EVER GONE OUT AND SAY, LET'S NOT GO EAT THERE BECAUSE THE PARKING'S BAD. IF THE FOOD'S GOOD, THE ENTERTAINMENT IS GOOD WE GO. AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY RESTAURANTS SAY, MAN, BUSINESS WOULD BE GOOD IF WE HAD BETTER PARKING. IT'S LIKE IF YOU HAVE GOOD FOOD, YOU GOT A GOOD SERVICE OR A PRODUCT, PEOPLE WILL COME. AND SO I'M NOT SAYING IT'S WE ELIMINATE IT, BUT I APPRECIATE THE OPEN DIALOG ABOUT MAYBE REDUCING IT SO. I WAS TAKING A PICTURE OF THIS BUT WHEN PRESTONWOOD MALL, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU REMEMBER PRESTONWOOD MALL, BUT WHEN IT WAS ON THE DOWN SIDE, THEY HAD SIGNS UP ON THE CHAIN LINK FENCE. PARKING IS NOT A PROBLEM. [LAUGHTER] SO, JOHN, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO COMMISSIONER KENDALL WAS SAYING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE LESS PARKING POSSIBLY. AND I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE OF STUFF. AND WEREN'T YOU SAYING, JOHN, THAT WE'RE STILL OVER PARKING IN PLACES? SO WHAT'S THE I GUESS I'M MISSING THE DISCONNECT HERE WHERE YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE OVER PARKING AND COMMISSIONER KENDALL WAS SAYING, IS THERE A WAY TO TRY TO NOT OVER PARK SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS? WELL, WE WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS, BUT AS JON MENTIONED, IT'S LIKE CHEAPER TO PAVE IT AND THEN GO ON DOWN THE ROAD. AND NOW WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS OUT AND I CAN'T TELL YOU FOR SURE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT, HEY LET'S REDUCE THE PARKING. AND HERE'S THE OTHER THING. LET'S SAY OKAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAVE THOSE OH THIRTY SPACES. AND SO WE'LL DO THAT OUT CLOSE TO THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES, AWAY FROM THE BUILDINGS. AND THAT'S KIND OF LIKE WELL WHAT'S THE POINT. WE NEED TO GET THAT CLOSE TO THE BUILDING. AND THEN YOU GET THE MINDSET OF THE TENANTS, HEY, I WANT PARKING RIGHT IN MY STORE WHERE CUSTOMERS CAN GET OUT OF THEIR CAR, WALK DIRECTLY INTO THE STORE AND BACK INTO THE CAR IT'S CHANGING THAT MINDSET. IT'S BEEN DONE. BUT I GOT TO MAKE SURE YOU GET THE DEVELOPER ON BOARD WITH IT AND SOMETIMES DEALING WITH OUR CONSULTING ENGINEERS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT THEY HAVEN'T DONE BEFORE IS A CHALLENGE. IT'S GETTING THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A BAD THING. I THINK DAVID CAN SPEAK THAT THAT IS CHANGING MORE SO THAN WHAT IT USED TO BE 30 YEARS AGO WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A MIXED USE PROJECTS. NOW YOU GO BACK BEFORE THE DEPRESSION, MIXED USE PROJECTS GETTING FINANCING. NO BIG DEAL. BUT WHEN YOU DO SINGLE USES, YOU'RE GOING TO DO SO I THINK WHAT FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS HAS ABOUT 19 DIFFERENT LOAN DIVISIONS, ONE FOR MULTIFAMILY, ONE FOR SINGLE FAMILY, SELF-STORAGE, RETAIL OFFICE, AND THEY WORK INDEPENDENTLY OF ONE ANOTHER. BUT NOW YOU BRING IT BACK TOGETHER. NOBODY HAS THAT EXPERIENCE AND LIKE, WELL, WHO GETS THE LAND OR WHO GETS THIS? AND THAT AND HOW DO YOU DIVVY UP THE LOAN? BUT THEY'RE DOING IT. IT TOOK TIME. AND BUT THEN AGAIN, IT'S THE TENANTS. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS DEVELOPER SAYS, HEY, I GOT PLENTY OF PARKING. YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH PARKING AS I DO OVER HERE. SO WHICH DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO BE MORE SUCCESSFUL. SO IT'S THAT FEAR OF LOSS THAT IF I GO TO THIS DEVELOPMENT WHERE THERE'S NOT MUCH PARKING, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE FOCUSED ON, IT'S HARD TO GET THEM TO CHANGE THEIR OPINION. IT CAN BE DONE, BUT YOU HAVE TO SHOW THEM EXAMPLES AND WE NEED MORE EXAMPLES. THAT'S WHY I TAKE YOU ALL ON TOURS TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING IT. IT'S GETTING DONE, BUT IT TAKES, YOU KNOW, OUR ARMY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. AND I DON'T WANT TO HOLD EVERYONE UP TONIGHT, BUT IF THIS CAN AND NOT TO ADD MORE TO YOUR PLATE. BUT IF IT'S IN A MONTH OR IF IT'S IN FOUR MONTHS, KIND OF GOING ON THE SAME THING WITH PARKING. AND, YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED, BUT IS GOING FROM PARKING THE NEXT THING IS HOW WE DEVELOP. IF IT'S THE RESTAURANT AND FAST FOOD. WHAT I'M SEEING IS WE'RE HAVING REQUESTS FROM RESTAURANTS TO MOVE TO THREE AND POSSIBLY EVEN FOUR DRIVE THROUGHS. AND IF THEY'RE PUTTING UP THEIR OWN CONES AND THEY'RE LITERALLY JUST HAVING PEOPLE STAND OUT THERE AND REDIRECT, BASICALLY THERE IS NO PARKING. [01:05:02] AND I GET THAT IT'S MOSTLY PANDEMIC DRIVEN. BUT THEN IF YOU GO TO CHILI'S, WHERE BEFORE THEY USED TO HAVE TWO TO GO SPOTS NOW IF YOU GO TO CHILI'S NOW I THINK I COUNTED 13 THAT ARE LIKE THE TO GO SPOTS. AND SO THERE IS A TRANSFORMATION. I DON'T THINK IT WILL GO COMPLETELY BACK TO WHAT WE CONSIDER NORMAL BEFORE, BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO A LITTLE RESEARCH NOT TOMORROW I KNOW YOUR PLATE'S FULL BUT THINGS ARE CHANGING. I WOULD LOVE US TO BE ON THE CUTTING EDGE AS FRISCO IS. WE REALLY ARE THE LEADER IN NOT JUST THIS AREA, BUT I THINK IN THE COUNTRY. YEAH. I THINK THE SPOTS THEY MARK OFF FOR TO GO, I THINK THOSE WILL GO AWAY AFTER THIS PANDEMIC IS ALL OVER. BUT THE DEPENDS ON BEHAVIORS OF PEOPLE THOUGH. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH? I MEAN, I'M SEEING ONES THAT I HEAR A LOT ABOUT DRIVE THROUGHS. AND IT'S JUST BUT HERE'S THE THING. WHEN YOU INTRODUCE A DRIVE THROUGH AND YOU ARE TRYING TO CREATE A WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT, THAT'S A CONFLICT. I TOTALLY AGREE BUT I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER. I JUST WANT US TO START THE DIALOG BUT I MEAN, IF A PROPRIETOR WANTS TO PUT MORE TO GO PARKING SPACES IN FRONT OF HIS BUILDING, THAT'S NOT A ZONING ISSUE, IS IT? HE CAN JUST DO IT RIGHT. WE'RE JUST LETTING THEM DO THAT. BUT HERE'S THE OTHER THING. ONCE IF YOU'VE GOT A SHARED PARKING, YOU'RE REDUCING THE PARKING AND THEN YOU'RE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO RESERVE THOSE SPACES. THAT'S COUNTERACTIVE TO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. IT DOESN'T WORK BOTH WAYS. AND WE'RE FACED THAT AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS WHERE YOU REDUCE PARKING THROUGH SHARED PARKING. BUT AS SOON AS SOMEBODY WANTS TO START RESERVING SPACES, THEN YOU GOT A PARKING SHORTAGE AND THAT'S HAPPENING IN MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS. AND I'VE TALKED TO DEVELOPERS. I SAID, HEY, WHEN YOU DO THAT, WHAT DO YOU DO? AND THEY SAY, WELL, IF WE WANT THE TENANT BAD ENOUGH THAT'S WHAT WE DO. AND THEN THERE'S A SHORTCOMING TO IT. AND THAT HAS I'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN IN DEVELOPMENTS IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHERE DO YOU PARK NOW? IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT US TO TAKE AWAY AND THINK ABOUT GUIDANCE FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT? WELL, I WOULD SAY JUST THINK ABOUT IT. AND MAYBE OVER THE NEXT MONTH IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS, YOU KNOW, JUST SEND IT TO ME AND THIS IS, I MEAN WHAT WE WILL DO, IS WE WILL TALK TO PEOPLE, TRY TO ENCOURAGE THEM NOT TO OVER PARK. THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO IS HAVE THAT DISCUSSION HEY LOOK AT DOING IT THIS WAY OF THE VALUE OF OPEN SPACE. AND GOOD DEVELOPERS WILL SEE THE VALUE OF THE OPEN SPACE. IT BECOMES A MAGNET TO ATTRACT CERTAIN USES AND THOSE USERS WILL BE MORE OF A RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WELL, THAT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF IT, OF THAT OPEN SPACE. BUT IT'S A PROCESS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR JOHN. I JUST WANT TO ADD ONTO WHAT COMMISSIONER KENDALL SAID, JOHN, WHEN YOU DO COME BACK, WHENEVER IT IS IN THE FUTURE, IT'S NOTHING TO HURRY. THE IDEA ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL DRIVE INS THE DRIVE THRU LANES, BECAUSE WE THINK WE TALKED BEFORE, THERE'S PROTOTYPES OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT LOOK MORE LIKE BANKS, YOU KNOW, FAST MOVING PROTOTYPE BUILDINGS OUT THERE WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE A BANK WITH FOUR LANES OR SIX LANES. YOU SEE THE TWO LANES NOW ACROSS THE CITY WITH MULTIPLE RESTAURANTS, CHICK-FIL-A, OTHERS. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A BANK PARKING LOT FULL? THIS IS EVEN PRE PANDEMIC. I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE SEEN IT TWENTY FIVE PERCENT FULL. YOU KNOW, IT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT TEN YEARS THAT WENT BY BEFORE I STEPPED FOOT IN A BANK. AND WHAT'S FUNNY IS FRISCO'S BUILT A LOT OF BANKS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND I JUST I DON'T KNOW IF I EVER SEEN THEM TWENTY FIVE PERCENT FULL. CHECKS. SO COMMISSIONER KENDALL IF YOU CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT A MEAL INSIDE OF THOSE PNEUMATIC TUBES. YOU'VE GOT A FAST FOOD CONVERSION. IS STARBUCKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ONE THING I DO WANT TO SAY ABOUT BANKS AND WHAT I'VE HEARD ABOUT IS YOU PROBABLY WON'T SEE AS MANY IN URBAN AREAS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, CONNECTED USING SMART PHONES FOR THEIR BANKING SERVICES, BUT MORE SO IN SMALL RURAL COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY WILL WANT A PHYSICAL PRESENCE. WANT TO WALK IN AND SEE SOMEONE. COMMISSIONER COX. I HAVE A REAL, REAL QUESTION, THOUGH, ABOUT PARKING. BOX NOT COX. WHEN YOU COME BACK AGAIN. I GOT THE VICE CHAIR PART RIGHT THIS TIME CALLED YOU COMMISIONER. ANYWAY. IT'S ALL GOOD. JOHN, THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ALLOWED TO UNDER PARK. DO YOU REMEMBER WHICH ONE THAT WAS? SOMEWHERE ONE OF THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THEY CAME IN AND REQUESTED THAT THEY BE ALLOWED TO BE BELOW. AND WE KIND OF APPROVED IT AT THE TIME AS KIND OF AN EXPERIMENT. AND IT WAS A WHILE AGO, ABOUT A YEAR OR SO OKAY. I KNOW WE'VE DONE THAT THROUGH A SHARED PARKING CONCEPT WHEN IT MAKES SENSE. THAT I JUST DON'T RECALL OFFHAND, BUT REMEMBER, I GET A LOT OF REQUESTS WHERE PEOPLE WILL [01:10:01] COME IN AND LIKE THIS. AND ONE WAS SAYING THAT HE WANTS TO DO ABOUT 80 OR 90 PERCENT PARKING REDUCTION. AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE ME EXAMPLES WHERE YOU HAVE DONE THIS? HE DID. I LOOKED AT IT THEY'RE AT METRO STATIONS THEY'RE RIGHT OUTSIDE THE AIRPORT. THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHERE THEY WERE TRYING TO LOCATE WITHIN THE CITY. THE ONE THAT WE APPROVED WAS LIKE 10 OR 15 SPACES BELOW THE CALCULATION. WAS IT THAT ONE I THOUGHT IT WAS A BIGGER ONE THAN THAT. BUT I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER THAT WE DID SAY WE WERE GOING TO I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW IF WE'VE HAD ANY PROBLEMS ON THAT ONE. BUT NOW WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE WHICH ONE IT IS IF WE DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT IS. YEAH. MUST BE WORKING FINE. SO, JOHN, THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. AND THAT LEAVES US WITH ONE ITEM. MOVE TO ADJOURN. MOVE TO ADJOURN CAN I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. SECOND COMMISSIONER COLBERG. MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. APPROVED 5 NOTHING. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:41. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.